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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 20 Feb 06 - 03:46 AM Joe Offer, Please do not close thread on grounds of DS calling me names. I take no offence and it harms him more than me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Divis Sweeney Date: 20 Feb 06 - 05:40 AM With the exception of anyone who had a lobotomy there is no where in any post anyone will see I stated I murdered anyone. So I made 5 posts on the 18th of September ? Where are they Keith ? Big difference in calling you a liar, which you have clearly proven to be and a clear case of deformation of character. Very poor attempts on this thread as usual to discredit me. Failure on your behalf yet again. Oh Keith when will you learn ! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 20 Feb 06 - 05:49 AM I am not sure what to say Seamus. I have given the link, scroll down to the date. Also, look at the preceding posts for the context of your posts.. It was IRA not republicanism being discussed. Anyway, why do you now need to deny your membership. Are you ashamed of it? No need to be. As you say, it's all history now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Richard Bridge Date: 20 Feb 06 - 05:58 AM Chaps, can you discuss the IRA somewhere else please? The issues about that are I think detracting from the issue of this thread. England first invaded Ireland 400 years ago-ish, or even earlier, and the issues about whether there was a conquest legitimating a claim under usual constitutional law principles to rule by right of conquest (which would make the 1920-ish events a rebellion (conceded to by the Government of Ireland Act (that citation is from memory so may be wrong)) , and the IRA unlawful rebels at best) or whether there was never a true conquest in which case the IRA are a legitimate resistance, at least in some of what they do, are rather different from the present occupation (if that is the word) of Iraq. Nor do I think Iraq's position is illustrated by considering the Bill of Rights 1688 (the aftermath of the last revolution in England) or the Act of Union! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Divis Sweeney Date: 20 Feb 06 - 07:34 AM Well said Richard. Keith sadly always moves away from the threads he starts. Example above. He started a thread here which had nothing to do with Ireland. He then moved on to calling me a murderer. He then said without any proof that I admitted it on the 18th September ! Which of course no proof has been produced by him. Proof here to see that I never posted on the 18th September ! Then after I told him seventeen times it's all history now what occurred in Ireland he now finally admitted it's history now in his last posting ! If you make such a strong statement as he did last night. One would except him to provide his proof ! He really has come off this one with egg on his face ! Ah poor Keith. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 20 Feb 06 - 07:47 AM http://www.mudcat.org/usersearch.cfm?who=GUEST%2CDivis%20Sweeney Here is the link again Seamus. Ask someone to help you click and scroll to 18th Sept. 05 Can anyone else explain it to Seamus? I just can not get him to see. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Divis Sweeney Date: 20 Feb 06 - 08:08 AM Where does it say I murdered anyone ??????????????????????????? Admit your wrong Keith and say a big big sorry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Divis Sweeney Date: 20 Feb 06 - 08:17 AM Oh Keith bye the way please note any posts of that period was by a guest Divis Sweeney. Not the member Divis Sweeney. No doubt this was you signing in under this name to blame me. Dear Dear that was so low. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 20 Feb 06 - 08:58 AM Of course. Now I understand. Even though you have already tried to explain those posts, they were not by you at all. All I had to do was travel back in time, log on under your name, travel back to the present and... How can any of us believe anything you say now? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Divis Sweeney Date: 20 Feb 06 - 09:39 AM As I was not a member at that stage as you can see. GUEST Divis Sweeney. Anyone could have come in under that title. In a lot of cases you. Hope this is easier to understand. If not an elementary version is available. Please note Keith regarding you comment about logging in under my name. Are you not aware anyone who comes here as GUEST does not have to log in ? Oh but sure you are already aware of that, sorry. Best wishes Seamus. Now back to the thread YOU started about British soldiers caught kicking lumps out of Iraqi's. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 20 Feb 06 - 10:07 AM Here is a post from Epona. Divis, I'm never helping you again! When I helped you register so you wouldn't be a guest anymore, you're info got stuck in my computer and now all my posts are under your new name! AND, then I had to reregister my own name with the Cat. I hope you appreciate all this drama because I'm angry right now!!!! Sorry folks (folkies :) ). I'm back now. And I'm not doing anymore good deeds. Haha.... E |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Richard Bridge Date: 20 Feb 06 - 10:37 AM Well Divis, I think you are a bit inclined to jump on the bash the squaddie bandwagon, and I was not taking sides on that (here, I might elsewhere), so please, that was not an invitation to blame Keith, nor one to blame you but to ask both of you to discuss that elsewhere unless relevant. The interesting development today is the Iraq government saying it knows who threw the grenades, that they were 2 of the captives seen in the video, that they are married with children (so perhaps not mere striplings), and that they intend to lift them and try them for attempted murder - the consequence of which (I understand from other commentators) under Iraq law is likely to be worse than what happened to them at the hands of the UK troops. So, interestingly, none of those primarily involved will have benefitted from the release of the material, and if the other captives turn out to have been (as I understand) actively complicit in throwing the grenades, all will have suffered. So, again, were we right (those of us who did) to rush to express outrage at what the troops did? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Divis Sweeney Date: 20 Feb 06 - 11:55 AM I agree this thread has becoming boring for me let alone anyone else reading it. He's had his his fling and will probably drift to another. Regarding the original thread. Strange how a recording of an Iraqi attack on Britisg troops has only come to the public eye now. That developement is a convenient resolution. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 20 Feb 06 - 11:55 AM I half heard that this morning Richard, but thought I must have got it wrong. All the Southern areas are still refusing to work with the Brits because the video. Sorry I got bogged down over Divis Sweeney,but I thought it important to bring his deceit and hypocricy into the open. Done now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Divis Sweeney Date: 20 Feb 06 - 12:34 PM You neither got your audience Keith nor proved any point. All you did was call someone a murderer without proof and made a fool out of yourself in the process. Also exposed yourself as the person entering under my GUEST Divis Sweeney name prior to my membership. Well at least you appeared graceloiusly defendant in defeat.
So quite your squabbling, already. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Epona Date: 20 Feb 06 - 01:30 PM That's interesting RB. We don't hear any updates over here because our media doesn't really cover anything that's international unless they think it involves us directly. Apparently, the British soldier video didn't make the cut, so I'm trying to track it through the BBC. Thanks for the latest. E |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Gurney Date: 20 Feb 06 - 06:42 PM Will Keith and Divis please stop (figuratively) sniping at each other. I'm sure we have all formed an opinion of the liklihood of the matter being settled to anyone's satisfaction, and it's getting repetitive. Pretty please, guys? Before this thread gets closed too? It doesn't do anyone any good when we force JoeClones to exercise power, well-balanced though they seem. I would like to know the date of the video, though.
-Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Divis Sweeney Date: 20 Feb 06 - 07:07 PM Dear Gurney Almost afraid to come back on here. Video released a week ago yesterday. Was taken two years ago. Best wishes |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 20 Feb 06 - 07:08 PM 2004 is the only date being given so far. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Divis Sweeney Date: 20 Feb 06 - 07:11 PM Goodnight Keith |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 21 Feb 06 - 03:42 AM Thanks for that Joe. The most chilling of the 18th Sept posts, the one about killing by sniping, was acknowledged and appologised for by MEMBER Divis Sweeney on the 13th October 05 in thread "PIRA invests in Manchester" in message 1582124. He wrote about it My reaction to his remark as to what he did to the Irish, was anger, and I made that remark in return. Since then, and before denying ever saying it, he made it into a crude little story, funny if the context were not the deaths of young men backshot because they wore a uniform. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Divis Sweeney Date: 21 Feb 06 - 04:51 AM Will take the advice of all your pm's. Many thanks to those members for taking the time. Waken me up when Keith has gone. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Divis Sweeney Date: 21 Feb 06 - 05:16 AM Just read a fasinating artical in my medical journal. It's about a condition known as Impulsive Repetitive Speech Disorder. Symptoms, The individual becomes repetitive in content of speech, fails to accept logic and enters in a tangent. Most interesting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Bunnahabhain Date: 21 Feb 06 - 06:17 AM Divis, Keith, from your love of talking about the past, we could hope you're both more than five. So stop acting as if you're a pair of children, talk via PMs etc, and come back when you calmed down. Also "But he started it... " is not a valid arguement! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Epona Date: 21 Feb 06 - 09:46 AM Perseveration. It's seen often in autisitc children. E |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Richard Bridge Date: 22 Feb 06 - 04:22 AM The news of US systematic torture (and Mr Justice Collins recent finding that the US definition of torture is different from that of most civilised countries) tend I think to put this in perspective too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 22 Feb 06 - 05:50 AM Yes. It was not right, but as peacekeeping forces go you could do a lot worse. (I am sorry that I went on about Divis Sweeney's motivation, and that I became obsessed with exposing his change of line.) |
