Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Jan 25 - 06:31 PM

90 million Americans did not vote in 2024.
During the upcoming 'final financial squeeze', involvement may increase after the experience of what big controlling government really feels like.
If people are honest in their answer to the question, "are you better off than you were 4 years ago?", they may see through the fog of billionaire BS.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Jan 25 - 06:55 PM

Gillymor - best answer yet :-)

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Jan 25 - 08:09 PM

Popular vote totals in the 2024 presidential election:

Harris 75,017,626 (48.33%)

Trump 77,301,997 (49.8%)

The electoral college is broken; it was put in place to bring the southern states into the US as the nation was forming - they wanted to keep owning slaves but not count them because they weren't able to vote.

From Wikipedia:

Supporters argue that it requires presidential candidates to have broad appeal across the country to win, while critics argue that it is not representative of the popular will of the nation.[a] Winner-take-all systems, especially with representation not proportional to population, do not align with the principle of "one person, one vote".[b][9] Critics object to the inequity that, due to the distribution of electors, individual citizens in states with smaller populations have more voting power than those in larger states. Because the number of electors each state appoints is equal to the size of its congressional delegation, each state is entitled to at least three electors regardless of its population, and the apportionment of the statutorily fixed number of the rest is only roughly proportional. This allocation has contributed to runners-up of the nationwide popular vote being elected president in 1824, 1876, 1888, 2000, and 2016.[10][11] In addition, faithless electors may not vote in accord with their pledge.[12][c] A further objection is that swing states receive the most attention from candidates.[14] By the end of the 20th century, electoral colleges had been abandoned by all other democracies around the world in favor of direct elections for an executive president.[15][16]:215

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: Helen
Date: 20 Jan 25 - 08:40 PM

This video is good for a laugh:

Melania HUMILIATES Trump At His INAUGURATION Ceremony

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 21 Jan 25 - 02:31 AM

I picked this up from a FB Friend’s ‘Share’ of a piece from the Page ‘Jeremy Corbyn and Socialist News’. Seems par for the Trump course - lies, more lies, misinformation, ignoring facts, distortions, and fear-mongering.

The emboldening of a section is mine…

”Trump’s Inauguration Speech: A Catalogue of Falsehoods and Misleading Claims

Donald Trump was sworn in as the 47th president, and true to form, his inauguration speech was riddled with falsehoods, exaggerations, and outright lies. Below, we break down the key claims and the facts that expose the truth behind his statements.

1. Claim: Ending “Catch and Release”

What Trump said:
Trump declared he would issue an executive order to end “catch and release,” describing it as a policy that releases immigrants into the country while awaiting court proceedings. He framed it as a failure of past administrations.

The Facts:
“Catch and release” is a pejorative term referring to various policies used under multiple administrations, often due to insufficient detention facilities. Immigration experts note that the practice is largely outdated, and it is unclear how Trump plans to enforce his so-called ban. The rhetoric here is more about stirring fear than implementing functional policy.

2. Claim: Taking Back the Panama Canal

What Trump said:
Trump claimed that 38,000 Americans died during the construction of the Panama Canal and alleged that China now operates it, vowing to take it back.

The Facts:
The official death toll during the construction of the Panama Canal under U.S. oversight was about 5,600, with most deaths involving Caribbean workers, not Americans. Additionally, the Panama Canal is operated by Panama, not China. While a Hong Kong-based consortium won a port operation bid in 1997, U.S. and Taiwanese companies also manage ports along the canal. Trump’s claims are grossly inaccurate.

3. Claim: Inflation at Record Highs

What Trump said:
Trump blamed “massive overspending” for what he called “record inflation” in the U.S.

The Facts:
Inflation in the U.S. peaked at 9.1% in mid-2022, far from the record high of 23.7% in June 1920. By December 2024, inflation had dropped to 2.9%. Trump’s narrative conveniently ignores historical context and recent improvements in inflation rates.

4. Claim: U.S. Outspends Everyone on Healthcare

What Trump said:
Trump correctly stated that the U.S. spends more on healthcare than any other country but failed to acknowledge why.

The Facts:
While the U.S. does spend more on healthcare per capita, this is not a point of pride—it’s an indicator of inefficiency, privatized costs, and a lack of universal coverage. Trump used this fact without addressing the systemic issues causing these costs to spiral.

5. Claim: Incompetence During Emergencies

What Trump said:
Trump criticized emergency responses, alleging that hurricanes in North Carolina and wildfires in California were poorly handled due to government failure.

The Facts:
Trump’s claims about Hurricane Helene and California wildfires are misleading. He has previously spread unfounded conspiracy theories, such as suggesting the U.S. government manipulates weather or withholds aid. Experts in California clarified that water availability was not the issue during the fires, but Trump ignored these facts to launch political attacks.

6. Claim: Immigrants and Crime

What Trump said:
Trump claimed the U.S. provides sanctuary to “dangerous criminals” from prisons and mental institutions abroad, painting immigrants as a major threat.

The Facts:
There is no evidence to support Trump’s assertion that immigrants entering the U.S. are predominantly criminals. Studies, including from conservative think tanks like the Cato Institute, consistently show that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than native-born Americans. Trump’s inflammatory language fuels xenophobia without factual basis.

Trump’s inauguration speech was a masterclass in fearmongering and misinformation. His repeated lies and distortions serve to distract from real issues, focusing instead on scapegoating and divisive rhetoric. As we embark on this new chapter, the public must stay vigilant against the dangers of misinformation from the highest office in the land.

"I'm posting this, already knowing that anyone with any objective reasoning skills, knows trump is largely full of shit. The rest who were cheering on, they knew as well, but the sad thing is, that people are so desperate for hope, that they are willing to believe in the lies, because living in denial is kinder than the real world".

"You can't solve a problem if you refuse to admit it exists." And living in denial IS NOT BLISS!!!”

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: gillymor
Date: 21 Jan 25 - 07:30 AM

So Trump has pardoned the Jan. 6 rioters, which means that if he doesn't like the outcome of the midterm elections or doesn't care to leave office when his term is up he can call on his violent, knuckle-dragging constituents to storm the Capitol again, this time with impunity. Welcome to the third world.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Jan 25 - 07:43 AM

Glossary:
Blissinformation-noun-Telling people what they want to hear

DOGEd - verb - Being fired by an unelected board of billionaires so the wealthy can thrive,

Cryptocurrency - when created and sustained by Trump Republicans will replace Bond investments. such as: https://www.npr.org/2025/01/20/nx-s1-5268759/donald-trump-melania-cryptocurrency-meme-coins
and Musk Doge coins

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 21 Jan 25 - 08:30 AM

Their pardons must be revoked and 4 years added to their sentences, even if it is unconstitutional to do so by the next president, or 8,12 etc added on if it takes 2 or more future presidential elections, The rioters MUST be punished for the turnips abuse of power.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Jan 25 - 08:44 AM

na gonna appen

What is a Trump American?
They love: Pro Wrestling, Reality TV, Casinos and gambling, Celebrity culture, Social Media, fake religion, PT Barnum stuff, crime, bigot, sexploitation, and street cred when shot.

TRUMP has mastered all of these things. !!!!

Trump is more than a Joe 'sixpack' Rogan.
He is the entire enchilada.
He is what America has become. He is America as seen on TV.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: gillymor
Date: 21 Jan 25 - 08:46 AM

Presidential pardons can't be revoked.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Jan 25 - 11:06 AM

Presidential pardons are on the federal level, but that said, I doubt any states are going to try to pursue charges based upon their laws, but that is the only way it could happen (re: the January 6 pardons).

Trump is throwing everything at the wall now, partly a huge distraction. Leaving the World Health Organization, leaving the Paris Climate Accords, sheer lunacy. Keep your eyes on NATO.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 21 Jan 25 - 12:45 PM

Maybe they can't be revoked constitutionally, but there is nothing to stop a president ignoring the constitution even if it would result in serious repercussions: eg ordering internment outside due legal process, and the total breakdown of aw and order, where someone pardoned with just cause can be rearrested. Doing the right thing does border upon fascism, but if Americans don't want to live in a fascist state, they should have thought about the consequences before voting for trump.

regarding pulling out of the Paris accord, the rest of the world MUST take measures to mitigate US's additional carbon footprint, even if it means rationing energy.

Regarding WHO, if Americans do not want to be prepared for the next pandemic, that is their problem.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Jan 25 - 01:41 PM

If anyone had any doubt as to what the new order in the USA is going to be you need to see what Trump's puppet master is doing

Musk's Nazi salute

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Jan 25 - 07:18 PM

"if Americans don't want to live in a fascist state, they should have thought about the consequences before voting for trump"

I have posted warnings here of a growing fascist wave for 15 years as a patriotic American. I am not alone, or a Trump voter. Not even Hitler succeeded in his early years. Populism grows like a slow cancer.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Jan 25 - 07:36 PM

Mexican police have been known to sell out to the Cartels. Likewise in the US the Fraternal Order of the Police supported Trump and is silent about pardoning 1,500 insurrectionists who attacked police.
Lines have been crossed and there is no line in Congress, the Supreme Court, or Police except a loyalty to total obedience for the leader.
I believe only one Republican Senator was upset by the pardon.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 21 Jan 25 - 07:45 PM

Then the police are disrespectful in term for the destroyed lives of their fellow officers who were holding the front line against the rioters. everyone watched the witness testimonies, even here in UK.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: Neil D
Date: 22 Jan 25 - 04:23 AM

SRS said "The only song that comes to mind at the moment is Poor Unfortunate Souls (for all of us).
I was actually thinking about a couple verses from "Mercy Now" by Mary Gauthier:
My church and my country could use a little mercy now
As they sink into a poisoned pit, it's going to take forever to climb out
They carry the weight of the faithful who follow them down
I love my church and country, they could use some mercy now

Every living thing could use a little mercy now
Only the hand of grace can end the race towards another mushroom cloud
People in power, they'll do anything to keep their crown
I love life and life itself could use some mercy now

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: Helen
Date: 22 Jan 25 - 04:31 AM

Good one, Neil D!

The song I was thinking of today was I'm an Asshole, by Dennis Leary and then I was thinking of the documentary and book by Aaron James called, Assholes: A Theory. I watched the doco and then bought the book and read it very soon after. Very enlightening.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Jan 25 - 05:09 AM

Some years back a fellow mudcatter from Germany stayed with us and we got round to discussing the dark days of the third reich. He commented that a lot of Germans referred to those times as "the madness". I hope that in 4 years time the majority of US folk will use the same term to describe what is currently happening.

In the meanwhile, I hope anyone over there who is non-binary is safe. The man gets more despicable by the minute. If anyone feels a need to escape the madness for a while, get in touch. We have plenty of space at Gnome Towers :-)

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 22 Jan 25 - 06:10 AM

What I find so depressing, Dave, is that 74 million Americans voted for him. 74 million citizens of the country I’ve admired for most of my 77 years either couldn’t or wouldn’t see through him, couldn’t or wouldn’t recognise his malevolence, couldn’t or wouldn’t understand that he is not the ‘Christian’, nor the ‘man of the people’, he pretends to be, couldn’t or wouldn’t see how they were being duped by Trump, Musk, Vance, et al in exactly the same way, and for the same reasons as the people of Germany were duped in the ‘30s.

Remember them saying, back in the late ‘40s/early ‘50s that “It could never happen here!”? Guess what - it’s happening in the US right now. And my fear is that it’s happening in many other countries, including the UK, too.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: gillymor
Date: 22 Jan 25 - 06:41 AM

It mystifies me as well and the only thing I can come up with is that he starred in a network TV show, which is a pretty sad commentary.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Jan 25 - 06:43 AM

At least they get chance to rectify their mistake in 4 years BWM. We are stuck with the Brexit madness for the forseeable future :-(

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Jan 25 - 06:53 AM

I have said this before but it is worth repeating, One of my lads was into WWE westling and I was happy to join in with the nonsense occasionaly. There was a whole plotline where Trump was pitted against Vince McMahon that ended up with a 'wrestling' match between them. While watching any of the nonsense and this bit in particular I always had that little seed of doubt that some people believed that it was actually real. Have I been proven right? I hope not! Still, maybe wrestling matches between world leaders could be the way forward... :-D

Battle of the billionaires

Subject: RE: Crypto criminal US 47th President 1 thread
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Jan 25 - 07:33 AM

I never had the imagination that the President and family would have their own cryptocurrency that would generate billions of untraceable dollars so that foreign bribery would be as easy as pie.
In many ways, the Trump meme coin is like Madoff's Ponzi scheme.

There are different ways to bribe the President like Pam Bondi buying 3 million dollars of Trurh Social stock. The bankruptcy king, Donald Trump, will explode a 46 trillion-dollar debt until the bond market will no longer buy federal bonds. Game over. The deficit now stands at 36 trillion.
Do your due diligence before buying Elon's DogeCoin as a hedge against a great depression.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 22 Jan 25 - 08:50 AM

”At least they get chance to rectify their mistake in 4 years BWM. We are stuck with the Brexit madness for the forseeable future :-(“

Good point Dave.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 22 Jan 25 - 09:13 AM

Anyway, let’s have a giggle to lighten the mood…

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1155891432929511?fs=e&fs=e

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Jan 25 - 09:57 AM

There are things that Trump does that is remarkable...
for example few men can man spread and man splain at the same time.
He dances from the elbows down
He can appear to have no idea regarding something he has spent months conspiring.
He can defame and dismember an associate while he promotes them.
He can appear to weigh 70 pounds more than he weighs.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Jan 25 - 11:36 AM

In this digital 'inkubator' on the web nothing here is ever going to go viral. There have possibly been malevolent intrusions here but it seems safe from the intimidation of the extreme fascist right. I wonder if an AI web crawling bot could disrupt anti Trump text on the web. Is there a safety net for free speech on the webs? Or am I just being naive or paranoid
.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 22 Jan 25 - 11:55 AM

Convicted Capitol rioter turns down Trump pardon. She says, “We were wrong that day”. Now THAT is the understatement of the century!

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Jan 25 - 12:31 PM

Trump is still a puppet, all of those who are behind him are pulling the strings. He just thinks the pen in his hand is scissors and keeps him free of their influence. But whoever is the last person who spoke to Trump is the one who has the most influence - it's laughable how gullible he is.

Will our income tax refunds be issued in Trump's currency?

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 22 Jan 25 - 02:01 PM

*Agree*, Stilly. The person marching in front of a zombie army isn't necessarily leading it: he's at least as likely to just be the one who worked out which way the zombies were marching in any case, and nipped round to the front. Stumbling, however, is distinctly contraindicated ....

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: Helen
Date: 22 Jan 25 - 02:26 PM

I just watched the Oz TV show, Planet America, and one comment was that the tech billionaires i.e. Musk, Bezos and Zuckerberg in the front row at the inauguration earn more than about 70 million low income Americans, combined.

And as for Elon Musk, two thoughts:

* Does Barron Trump look more like Musk than Donald Trump?

Musk should be the person given the honour to plant the flag on Mars
(because the chances of anyone returning alive from that trip are nil, in my inexpert opinion, and because he was happy to find people to volunteer for his do-or-die Mars expedition but not to do it himself.)

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Jan 25 - 07:07 PM

A narcissist like Trump will become sadistic when he feels wronged.
Most of his retribution orders come from him and not ancillary puppet masters. I was flummoxed to hear he pardoned the Silk Road Dark Webmaster. Considering who he made that promise to makes sadistic sense. At first, I thought he would want to use the dark web for his own anonymous criminal hiring.

To fly two years into the future, Trump's Supreme Court will have to decide if Trump's official act to cancel part of the 14th Amendment is legal, constitutional, or amendable. There will be lots of foot-dragging to allow a maximum period of time to ignore the Constitution..

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: Neil D
Date: 23 Jan 25 - 01:31 AM

Someone earlier said we'd have a chance to rectify the situation in four years and I hear that a lot, "We just have to survive four years of Trump." But I believe the worst will be over in less than two years. Historically, when one party wins big in a presidential election year they inevitably lose big in the following mid-term. The Republican majorities in both the senate and house are razor thin so it will only take a modicum of buyer's remorse for Democrats to retake both bodies. By then Trump will have shot his wad when it comes to executive orders so, with the entire congress arrayed against him, his capability of further damage to this nation and its people will be held in check.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 Jan 25 - 02:32 AM

But he’ll still be able to use his big, vicious mouth to influence the easily-persuaded. It worked for him in November - 74 million listened.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Jan 25 - 04:51 AM

...land of the free and the
home of the brave.

There are the most brave immigrants who faced dangers and death to find a new home. I HAVE BEEN TOLD HARROWING STORIES BY IMMIGRANTS of their entry and journey to the US.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Jan 25 - 05:18 AM

A bad defense...

"Your honor the defendant broke into his ex wife and family's home and beat up the police who responded to the wife's 911 call but
we are looking ahead - not behind."

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 23 Jan 25 - 06:16 AM

Big caesars and little caesars how they rise and how they fall from Julius Caesar to Boris Johnson by Ferdinand Mount, Bloomsbury 2024

Big Caesars and Little Caesars by Ferdinand Mount review – a wonderfully wry field guide to autocrats With tremendous wit and wisdom, the former head of Margaret Thatcher’s policy unit identifies the qualities particular to dictators – and warns against consigning such people to history

How to deal, psychologically speaking, with Boris Johnson and Donald Trump? For obvious reasons, many of us have spent the past several years telling ourselves that these (insert your own insult here) politicians are outrageous anomalies, mere boils on the otherwise unblemished face of the body politic. Of course boils are nasty, their suppurating eruptions highly unpleasant for anyone who happens to be in the vicinity. We all know this. But we take comfort in the fact that they may also be treated. The condition, ultimately, is curable. The state – I won’t say deep state – will carefully apply its very own brand of topical antibiotics, and the inflammation will eventually disappear, smoothness restored at last (read on)

The October 2024 issue of UK journal "History Today" has an article American Caesars - American democracy has been haunted by the spectre of a Caesar-type figure since the birth of the republic. Have such fears ever been justified? by Iain McDaniel.
The prospect of a second Donald Trump victory in November’s US election has widely been seen – at least by liberal commentators –as an apocalyptic threat to democracy. Indeed, the coming election is sometimes framed as a binary clash between democracy and autocracy. Some have even cast Trump as a new Julius Caesar, whose re-election would strike a fatal blow to America’s republican institutions just as Caesar’s dictatorship paved the way for the autocracy of the emperors. As the Financial Times put it back in June: ‘Trump would resume office as an American Caesar with a ready-made toolkit of executive actions.’ Unfortunately it's behind a paywall, but it would be in many libraries, certainly in UK & Australia! Large libraries in US could have it too, especially university libraries with History departments.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 23 Jan 25 - 06:24 AM

Part of me feels that the turnip should be allowed to do his worst and mankind suffer the impact for the next generation or two - just to teach humanity a little humility. When they realise what they have done to their childrens' and grandchildrens' lives then the punishment would fit the crime.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Jan 25 - 08:25 AM

correction: The largest police union in the U.S. has condemned President Donald Trump for his sweeping pardons of those involved in the January 6 Capitol riot in 2021.

better late than never

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Jan 25 - 08:44 AM

For those of us who lived through WWII, no matter how bad Trump gets, we've seen worse.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: gillymor
Date: 23 Jan 25 - 08:52 AM

WWII? How old are you, Don?

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Jan 25 - 10:02 AM

What is your name, birthday, SS number, address, phone, and mother's maiden name?

I look about 60 which is good since my wife is 13 years younger.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: gillymor
Date: 23 Jan 25 - 10:14 AM

I guess a better question would be did you actually live through WW II and were you old enough that you can remember it? Just curious.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Jan 25 - 10:20 AM

I don't think the 2025 Trump administration is as smart or evil as we generally give them credit for. Cruel, vindictive, and criminal yes but not final solution evil.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 23 Jan 25 - 10:30 AM

I wouldn't go as far as evil, yet, but we are yet to see what evil deeds will arise in the next 4 years - also for good measure add: sociopathic, self-entitled, nasty, vindictive, elitist and egotistic.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: gillymor
Date: 23 Jan 25 - 10:31 AM

I'm hoping they're just a less lovable version of the Gang that Couldn't Shoot Straight and that they prove to be so embarrassing that the rest of the GOP won't get behind some of their whackier plans. This is a possibilty considering some of the incompetent
bozos Trump's aligned himself with in the past.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Jan 25 - 11:51 AM

The cost of ignoring climate change and promoting for-profit-only AI is unknown but will be unrecoverable and catastrophic with great uncertainty on a global scale. That kind of evil could be worse than we imagine, such as the burning of great cities.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Jan 25 - 12:18 PM

This gang is largely a rabble in the background who have attached themselves to Trump because they can hate and act against those they hate. Think Steven Miller. The immigration situation - it isn't just to remove a criminal element, it is to try to remove brown non-English-speaking refugees and immigrants in the most painful way possible. If they were political prisoners this would be cruel and unusual punishment. I think "evil" is a good description of those people. And Trump because he makes it so.

So many similar words describe him and his behavior. Vile and bellicose, for starters.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President 1 thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Jan 25 - 02:13 PM

Stolen from Faceache and not fact checked but, even if the source is incorrect, the priciple is still good -

BREAKING: Democratic star Congressman Jamie Raskin delivers a show-stopping takedown of Donald Trump's lawless mass pardon of violent January 6th insurrectionists.

This is exactly what all of us are thinking right now...

"The chairman began by saying that the point here is to restore the rule of law... restore the rule of law... Can you even pretend to do that if you stand by and support Donald Trump who on day one — as the chairman of the committee just said — day one of his presidency, pardoned fifteen hundred insurrectionists including hundreds of people who violently assaulted and attacked American police officers?" said Raskin during a hearing of the Judiciary Committee's Subcommittee on Immigration Integrity, Security, and Enforcement.

"Let's just take one person who is free today, Julian Khater, who had been convicted after having every due process protection, the right to counsel, the right to cross-examine witnesses, the right to introduce evidence, but they had him completely," said Raskin.

"They knew exactly what happened. Most of this was videotaped so the whole world could see it," he continued. "Well, Julian Khater repeatedly violently assaulted our officer protecting us in Congress, Officer Brian Sicknick, who then proceeded to have several strokes and died on January the 7th, 2021, the next day."

"The family of Officer Sicknick is absolutely devastated and demolished by what's just happened," Raskin went on. "I invite any of my colleagues, including the members new to this committee who maybe weren't here on January 6th and didn't experience the trauma of that violent insurrection when we saw a mob marauding through here yelling 'Hang Mike Pence! Hang Mike Pence!' and looking to assassinate Nancy Pelosi."

"And now you have the temerity to come forward and say this is about public safety? How much safer are we now with these fifteen hundred criminals at large in Washington D.C. and going out into the country?" asked Raskin.

"Are you vouching that these people are not going to be attacking any other police officers?" he added. "Are you vouching that they're no longer a threat to public safety? What an outrage! What a scandal!"

The truth is that there is no defending Trump's pardons on anything other than purely partisan grounds. He released these criminals because they support him. He doesn't care that they attacked police officers. He doesn't care that they might do it again. All that matters is that they're in his MAGA cult.

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