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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 19 Feb 25 - 07:02 AM That's only the final part of that poem, Stilly, and misses the three-line paragraph breaks ("like the 'tercets' of the British Druids"). It begins:
.... that may help searching. You got the core of it, but read both books for the context and the full flavour. Hope that helps. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Donuel Date: 19 Feb 25 - 10:03 AM I wouldn't call this work a non issue. I wonder how dear it was to Senator Byrd who often compared the US to ancient Rome. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 19 Feb 25 - 10:11 AM Apologies, Stilly, if that came over as abrupt. Firing off one's mouth from the hip is so terribly contageous; and Herself insists on not muting Burger Disgustus when he fails to resist the lure of the open mike, citing "know thine enemy". I'll mention what de Pfeffel said about this once I remember what it was, unless someone else can remind us all first (possibly in the Ukraine thread). All I can now remember is that I was happily surprised. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Donuel Date: 19 Feb 25 - 10:50 AM Oligarchs sometimes make highly publicized donations to make up for lost agencies or government funding to look as though they care. Walmart did such things after the Katrina disaster. I believe a billionaire's handout will never account for what government funding can do. People will learn this in a hurry while some will remain duped. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 19 Feb 25 - 10:56 AM Hoooo .... Just been reading Nero's wikipedia entry, to see if the revisionist historians have decided that contemporary documentation was unduly harsh, and they haven't. It's all horribly resonant of today's hot mess: just as a taster, his first speech before the Senate (ghost-written by Seneca) included "eliminating the ills of the previous regime". I'll leave it at that, and go wash my mind out. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Stilly River Sage Date: 19 Feb 25 - 11:29 AM To whoever Richard Atkins is, Trump didn't get 50% of the vote. Unfortunately, so many people decided that "staying home" was the answer that by not voting, they voted. This is what Putin wanted and this is what Netanyahu wanted. Why start to agree to a peace treaty and hostage exchange after the election? Because his work here is done. Irritate enough voters in Michigan and that state is lost (Biden should have thrown Israel under the bus, but for whatever reason, decided to stick with the old "Israel is our ally" policy). And the amount of social media meddling by Putin hasn't been revealed in this current administration because they don't care. Musk seems to have had access to voting systems and states are starting now to try to find out how, but GOP legislatures are pushing back. It's depressing. We're working on it. Now go solve the problems from Brexit. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Donuel Date: 19 Feb 25 - 04:44 PM Musk hacked the election? Stilly say it ain't so |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Donuel Date: 19 Feb 25 - 05:58 PM Blame Ukraine and say they are a pain Take the cash and leave the poor some ash Build grand camps and take away their land Its Trump and Elon's Nazi master plan Fire everyone and hire cousin Bob You know he's dumb and dresses like a slob Deport all color and creed enemies You know it is a final remedy Its Trump and Musk's Nazi Fascist Deed |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Donuel Date: 19 Feb 25 - 09:36 PM Good newa: The Senate chairman of the defense committee has found his spine after Trump switched to support Russia and stand against NATO. Hopefully more republicans will claim their spines which were checked in the cloakroom and forgotten for months on end. The Republican Senator believes Putin should be jailed for life if not executed. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Backwoodsman Date: 20 Feb 25 - 01:35 AM ”Good newa: The Senate chairman of the defense committee has found his spine after Trump switched to support Russia and stand against NATO.” Can we have a link to that? |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Backwoodsman Date: 20 Feb 25 - 07:15 AM Evidence that Trumpers are completely insane…Carla Sands on BBC Newsnight, claiming, in all seriousness, that “there are more people in jail in the U.K. for speaking their minds than in the whole of Russia”. more people in jail in the UK for speaking their minds than in the whole of Russia! WTF are those numb-nuts on? |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Backwoodsman Date: 20 Feb 25 - 07:32 AM Illinois Governor JB Pritzker sounds the alarm - are any Trump-voters listening? C&P here from FB as I’m aware that some of our members are reluctant to use FB… "As some of you know, Skokie, Illinois once had one of the largest populations of Holocaust survivors anywhere in the world. In 1978, Nazis decided they wanted to march there. The leaders of that march knew that the images of Swastika clad young men goose stepping down a peaceful suburban street would terrorize the local Jewish population – so many of whom had never recovered from their time in German concentration camps. The prospect of that march sparked a legal fight that went all the way to the Supreme Court. It was a Jewish lawyer from the ACLU who argued the case for the Nazis – contending that even the most hateful of speech was protected under the first amendment. As an American and a Jew, I find it difficult to resolve my feelings around that Supreme Court case – but I am grateful that the prospect of Nazis marching in their streets spurred the survivors and other Skokie residents to act. They joined together to form the Holocaust Memorial Foundation and built the first Illinois Holocaust Museum in a storefront in 1981 – a small but important forerunner to the one I helped build thirty years later. I do not invoke the specter of Nazis lightly. But I know the history intimately — and have spent more time than probably anyone in this room with people who survived the Holocaust. Here’s what I’ve learned – the root that tears apart your house’s foundation begins as a seed – a seed of distrust and hate and blame. The seed that grew into a dictatorship in Europe a lifetime ago didn’t arrive overnight. It started with everyday Germans mad about inflation and looking for someone to blame. I’m watching with a foreboding dread what is happening in our country right now. A president who watches a plane go down in the Potomac – and suggests — without facts or findings — that a diversity hire is responsible for the crash. Or the Missouri Attorney General who just sued Starbucks – arguing that consumers pay higher prices for their coffee because the baristas are too “female” and “nonwhite.” The authoritarian playbook is laid bare here: They point to a group of people who don’t look like you and tell you to blame them for your problems. I just have one question: What comes next? After we’ve discriminated against, deported or disparaged all the immigrants and the gay and lesbian and transgender people, the developmentally disabled, the women and the minorities – once we’ve ostracized our neighbors and betrayed our friends – After that, when the problems we started with are still there staring us in the face – what comes next? All the atrocities of human history lurk in the answer to that question. And if we don’t want to repeat history – then for God’s sake in this moment we better be strong enough to learn from it. I swore the following oath on Abraham Lincoln’s bible: “I do solemnly swear that I will support the constitution of the United States, and the constitution of the state of Illinois, and that I will faithfully discharge the duties of the office of Governor .... according to the best of my ability.” My oath is to the Constitution of our state and of our country. We don’t have kings in America – and I don’t intend to bend the knee to one. I am not speaking up in service to my ambitions — but in deference to my obligations. If you think I’m overreacting and sounding the alarm too soon, consider this: It took the Nazis one month, three weeks, two days, eight hours and 40 minutes to dismantle a constitutional republic. All I’m saying is when the five-alarm fire starts to burn, every good person better be ready to man a post with a bucket of water if you want to stop it from raging out of control. Those Illinois Nazis did end up holding their march in 1978 – just not in Skokie. After all the blowback from the case, they decided to march in Chicago instead. Only twenty of them showed up. But 2000 people came to counter protest. The Chicago Tribune reported that day that the “rally sputtered to an unspectacular end after ten minutes.” It was Illinoisans who smothered those embers before they could burn into a flame. Tyranny requires your fear and your silence and your compliance. Democracy requires your courage. So gather your justice and humanity, Illinois, and do not let the “tragic spirit of despair” overcome us when our country needs us the most." Be afraid, America. Be very afraid. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Dave the Gnome Date: 20 Feb 25 - 07:39 AM It is pretty obvious to anyone who can see past the end of their nose what is going to happen in 2 years and 4 years. The election results will either be tampered with by Musk's team of hackers or Trump will declare the elections null and void. Either way, I'm afraid you will be stuck with Trump or someone else like him for good. Hopefully public opinion will be that far against him by that time that there will be mass insurrection. Trump will call on the armed forces to restore order and, hopefully, the leaders of said forces will refuse to fire on the very people that they are there to protect. Sorry to be a doom monger. What you want to do about it is up to you folks over there but you need to be prepared for the worst case :-( |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Hrothgar Date: 20 Feb 25 - 07:56 AM When do we burn down the Reichstag? |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 20 Feb 25 - 11:13 AM > When do they burn down the Reichstag? FTFY, Hrothgar. .... Hm: Is this nonsense the USA's version of the Cultural Revolution? |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Donuel Date: 20 Feb 25 - 11:33 AM The quote that Putin should go to jail if not executed is by Mississippi Senator Wicker Republican, this should be enough for you to track any way you wish. The Art of Extortion is the way Trump deals are made. It is based on using either lies or legends to defame or harm others. Media is anxious to usually print the legend. Back in the J.Edgar Hoover days extortion based on secret information was his modus operendie. Dirt is Donald's favorite info but lies work just as well. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: robomatic Date: 20 Feb 25 - 01:16 PM The American election system is at present too widely distributed and too primitive to jury rig a country wide election. I hear you all shouting, so let me quickly add: Not everywhere, and of course we have to watch certain municipal areas and due to the 'setup' the U.S. Constitution did with the Electoral College, those States that swing. I recommend the works of Anne Applebaum, She has made the recent worldwide attacks on democracy into a running subject with such readable works as: Red Famine - Stalin's War on Ukraine Twilight of Democracy Gulag and most recently: Autocracy, Inc. She was interviewed yesterday (Wednesday 19Feb2025) by.... Terry Gross, America's National Resource and current primary host of the public radio program Fresh Air. One of the points I took to heart is that the techniques being used to undermine and eliminate democratic institutions are available and being used by both wings of political approach. From the right, Viktor Orban over Hungary, from the left, Hugo Chavez and Venezuela. Pay attention to anything Masha Gessen writes or says. She is currently with the New Yorker but I believe she was originally from Ukraine. I might have written this elsewhere, but I had a long time Ukrainian friend who married and lived in the States; I used to do Winter camping and hiking, and she was one of my instructors. She was well read, had a great depth of history, and I waited too long to ask her opinion of the events of the last few years, only to find she had passed away. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Stilly River Sage Date: 20 Feb 25 - 02:14 PM Another poem that speaks to our times (what goes around does come around!) The Mask of Anarchy: Written on the Occasion of the Massacre at Manchester It's long, but read it all. For more about it from Wikipedia. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Stilly River Sage Date: 20 Feb 25 - 02:33 PM Damn. They just approved Patel. Now real carnage will begin as far as the intelligence activities in the US and the ability of terrorists to come ashore and do their dirty work. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Donuel Date: 20 Feb 25 - 04:59 PM Dave, how does one prepare for the worst case? I saw this doom coming for 15 years. Being accused of being a doom monger is something one need not apologize when it becomes clear to you. The UK has a 3% inflation right now and is now allied with an Axis bad guy called the USA. Resistence will take the form of field hearings, litigation, and spine finding moments inside the cage of fools. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Donuel Date: 20 Feb 25 - 05:11 PM Stalin's Famine War in Ukraine, the Chernobyl disaster and Putin's invasion of Ukraine using troops in black uniforms with no insignia are just some of the gifts that Russia has given them. Don't forget the einstatgruppen of the German SS. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Donuel Date: 20 Feb 25 - 05:27 PM Stephan Miller is an old school Nazi, Trump is a useful idiot Nazi, and Elon Musk is a kinder gentler SS Cyber Nazi. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Donuel Date: 20 Feb 25 - 05:59 PM I just watched ZERO DAY with DeNiro. Its pretty good but our current politics are worse. Also the CONCLAVE is very good with the biggest surprise ending ever. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 21 Feb 25 - 07:56 AM > From the right, Viktor Orban over Hungary, from > the left, Hugo Chavez and Venezuela. Fascist left or fascist right, they're still fascists: different Fritz Zwicky, the astrophysicist, was well known for referring to his colleagues as being like neutron stars: "Spherical Bastards". When asked why, he said: "Whichever side you look at them from, they're still bastards." |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Dave the Gnome Date: 21 Feb 25 - 08:01 AM I see that Musk is now joining in the crowd throwing Zelenskyy to the wolves. Sickening bunch of arseholes. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 21 Feb 25 - 08:20 AM Courtesy last week's Linux Weekly News: From a Linux-related e-mail list:
It's started. From the Codeberg development forge blog:
Spherical bastards .... |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 21 Feb 25 - 09:58 AM This is probably repeating something said above, but, from The Register: National Science Foundation staff axed by Trump fear for US scientific future
The blessed Liz Truss (remember her?) was said to had a mantra, which she said she'd got from a businessman: Whenever entering a new job in charge of anybody, 10% of the staff are deadwood, and can be fired. That, and her total inability to realise she needed to learn what she was doing, worked out well for the UK when she became PM. "And so it begins," said Ambassador Kosh. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Backwoodsman Date: 21 Feb 25 - 04:25 PM ”THOUGHTS ON UKRAINE I always hesitate to bring my political beliefs into this space. I don’t think my listeners would expect that from me and some of you will find it disappointing: not what you were looking for... But the recent reversal of our support for the Ukrainian resistance to Putin’s invasion motivates me to cross that line. Were we wrong about Zelensky, the hero of Ukraine? Were we wrong to feel the brotherhood of freedom in their struggle to resist the unprovoked attack upon their young nation? When they fought the bully Putin to a standstill with righteous resistance. When they stood up to the tyrant and stoically paid the price in patriots’ blood, were we not thrilled at their courage? How do we now turn away? To stand by, mute and cowed, as the men who would be king: Putin, Trump and Musk, huddle in their fortress and decide the fate of nations, shutting out the people they betray? Is this what has become of the cradle of liberty, …and the home of the brave..? That we slide the hidden dagger in the back of those who were our champions? While our allies in the defeat of Hitler and Stalin witness our betrayal in disbelief…" ~ James Taylor: singer, songwriter, musician. On his FB Page today. Wise words, and well spoken. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Donuel Date: 21 Feb 25 - 05:39 PM stirring speech from Illinois Fritz makes laugh. I laugh even harder that he was right in his science and personal opinions. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Donuel Date: 21 Feb 25 - 06:49 PM How Trump resembles Nero |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Dave the Gnome Date: 22 Feb 25 - 06:41 AM As many of you on here know, I am a fan of superhero films. Just seen a recent DC animated TV show called "Creature Commandos". In it there is a character called GI Robot that is an android built to fight Nazis in WW2. Programmed into him was the intelligence to recognise Nazis and Nazi actions. They decided he had gone rogue and locked him up when he went of a spree killing recognisable Nazis at a right wing rally in the fictional US "Hub City". Art reflecting reality of vice-versa? :-D |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Hrothgar Date: 22 Feb 25 - 07:17 AM If the Ukraine has to surrender territory to Russia, can Mexico take back California and Texas? Arizona and New Mexico would be minor bargaining points. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 22 Feb 25 - 08:29 AM Posted this is the wrong thread... Interesting that someone said on any questions that trump wants the Nobel Peace Prize, Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: SPB-Cooperator - PM Date: 20 Feb 25 - 01:37 PM How much of pressurising Ukraine to capitulate to Putin so he can broker 'that deal' is a kickback as a result of the turnip having been previously overlooked for the Nobel Peace prize which it feels it is entitled to. Tidied up the other thread. ---mudelf |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 22 Feb 25 - 03:33 PM The turnip's blethering on at length at some extremist rally, and being carried live on both 24h news channels in the UK, when Herself wants to see news about the Pope's declining health. She keeps asking "Is he winding down yet?" "No," says I, "he's winding up; it's all he ever does." |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Donuel Date: 22 Feb 25 - 05:16 PM King Trump's luck will run out as sure as the price of eggs shall rise Lord, I was born a gamblin' man Tryin' to make a livin' and doin' the best I can And when it's time for stealin I know you'll understand That I was born a gamblin' man Well, my father was a gambler way up in Queens And he wound up on the extreme right for the whites And I was born into millions from shitty rentals In courtrooms day and night Lord, I was born a gamblin' man Tryin' to make a livin' and doin' the best I can And when it's time for stealin' I know you are a fan That I was born a gamblin' man Alright I'm on my way to the White House this mornin' Leaving on my jet, in Florida They're always having a good time in Mara Lago Lord, and hot porn women think the world of me Lord, I was born a gamblin' man Tryin' to make a livin' and stealin' the best I can And when it's time for stealin' I know you are a fan That I was born a gamblin' man Until my god damn luck runs out |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Stilly River Sage Date: 23 Feb 25 - 12:37 AM Musk sent out a post telling all federal employees to write to their supervisor and CC to OPM by midnight Monday. They're to send a bulleted list of five things they did last week. Send it to HR@opm.gov. There are a lot of people sending OPM a list of what they did last week. I sent one (pulled out my really old Yahoo email, I figure they are such yahoos I might as well make a statement that way as well.) |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Helen Date: 23 Feb 25 - 01:00 AM What I did last week: did the weekly shopping, washed the floors, did the laundry, cooked a few dinners, played some music. I'm sure some of the respondents will introduce a bit of wry humour, especially if the question is not very specific. :-D Or how about: woke up early, drove to work, had a coffee, checked emails, processed some work files. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Stilly River Sage Date: 23 Feb 25 - 11:04 AM The email stunt is something Musk apparently did to the Twitter folks also. I've seen reference to it but haven't read about it in detail. When I came into the office to work the dogs followed me, and one of them just farted. It occurs to me that Trump and Musk are like a huge fart lobbed at the nation - it stinks, it lingers, and it changes in the smell and intensity. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Helen Date: 23 Feb 25 - 01:04 PM That's a funny coincidence, SRS, because I watched a segment of an Oz political analysis TV show on the weekend where they talk about political cartoons in newspapers during the week and two of them referred to Trump farting, in a political sense. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Helen Date: 23 Feb 25 - 03:20 PM I watched that TV show segment again. The trumpet reference is to a very rich, very annoying political idiot called Clive Palmer who has decided to reinvent his very annoying political party and he has named it Trumpet of Patriots, and his slogan is Make Australia Great Again. He is also trying to convince another very annoying politician, Pauline Hanson, from another very annoying political party to join forces with him. That is just sad because the reasoning behind joining forces with each other is that neither party has had very much success over the years in getting many candidates elected. BooHoo!! :-( One of the cartoons is by Warren Brown and it shows Trump on the left, then Palmer blowing a trumpet, and then the word trumpette to indicate Clive Palmer farting. The other cartoon by Stilgherian looks like a straight copy of an old Mediaeval image: a man with a very long trumpet coming out of his backside and a flag - I'm not sure what it is supposed to represent - hanging from the trumpet. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: keberoxu Date: 23 Feb 25 - 03:36 PM Helen, that last image reminds me of Hieronymus Bosch, probably an image of hell. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Helen Date: 23 Feb 25 - 04:11 PM Yes, keb, it could be Hieronymous Bosch. He certainly created weird, disturbing images which are probably increasingly relevant in today's weird, disturbing world. :-) |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Donuel Date: 23 Feb 25 - 04:45 PM Clive tells enough lies to stretch to Uranus and back. We are advised not to respond to the absurd email that would be judged by AI. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Donuel Date: 24 Feb 25 - 06:15 AM MAGA bomb threats hit a Republican alternative convention in DC with speakers like Christy and Bolton. If every single government worker were fired, the saving would be 3.3% but at what cost? People with 30 years of experience and expertise hold things together. Without them starting over would take many years. Doing without S.S. or the IRS alone would be a disaster for the nation and the debt. Losing the database for research can actually set back science a generation or more. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 24 Feb 25 - 07:41 AM how would HR feel when they get detailed descriptions encounters with the HR director's spouse? (stop it SPB you are just being mischievous!). |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 24 Feb 25 - 08:11 AM on a serious note, this takes on the appearance of trying to decimate public services to such an extent that they are no longer viable and ripe for farming out to corporations. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Donuel Date: 24 Feb 25 - 10:56 AM 15 years ago I brought my satirical protest sign to a DC protest event. It said 'Cut out the middleman-elect corporations'. Kash Patel promised he would appoint an existing FBI agent as deputy director. Today he appointed Dan Bongino a pod casting shock jock for the extreme right as deputy director. Bongino was never with the FBI. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Donuel Date: 24 Feb 25 - 10:59 AM https://www.mediamatters.org/dan-bongino/dan-bongino-praises-and-promotes-qanon-influencer |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 24 Feb 25 - 12:21 PM --- Ah! thanks, SPB: now I know where They got that "sack 10%" figure from. People almost invariably get decimation wrong, and think it means only one in ten is left afterwards; sadly, the oikerati seem to be applying this erroneous meaning. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: The Sandman Date: 24 Feb 25 - 12:29 PM Donuel you believe too much propaganda that is disguised as news.I bet you never listen to Chinese or Russian news Hardly surprising you have your views, HARDLY SURPRISING TRUMP IS IN POWER you are insular in your outlook, and just spout whatever you see in USA NEWS or what you want to believe on internet media, like a lot of USA voters |
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