Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 27 Sep 24 - 09:21 AM

How about Trump watches? Collect 'em all!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2024/09/27/donald-trump-launches-collection-branded-watches/

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 27 Sep 24 - 11:15 AM

> Trump watches

Thought 1: Do they have Mickey-Mouse hands?

Thought 1a: .... or just small ones?

> Trump watches

Thought 2: I sincerely hope he doesn't.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Sep 24 - 11:36 AM

Someone should tell him that his family jewels are showing . . .

CNN pretty well covers it in their headline Trump hawks $100,000 watches as he leverages his candidacy for profit

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 27 Sep 24 - 06:00 PM

And have you tried the new Trump cologne?

https://gettrumpsneakers.com/products/fight-fight-fight-cologne-for-men

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 28 Sep 24 - 10:20 AM

> the new Trump cologne

Good grief: he's selling his bottled farts. "This too was a vanity, an a striving after wind" (Ecclesiastes)

.... Does one buy that with a gag order?

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Sep 24 - 06:15 PM

When I navigate to the site in the cologne link above my Fakespot browser extension pops up and cautions "Potential Seller Issues" and "Limited Internet Presence." Ha. Just limited because of this new site. Anyway, it seems to be a suitable warning for the site.

Trump is entangled with christian nationalist activists who have supported his causes in several venues. In particular the Supreme Court. Here is a Mother Jones article by Rob Schenck, a former member of the group.

My organization, Faith and Action in the Nation’s Capital, had created an initiative we called “Operation Higher Court” that trained wealthy couples as “stealth missionaries,” befriending Thomas and his wife, Ginni; Samuel and Martha-Ann Alito; and Antonin and Maureen Scalia—­lavishing­ them with meals at high-end restaurants and invitations to luxurious vacation properties. Alongside these amenities, our ministry offered prayers, gift Bibles, and the assurance that millions of believers thanked God for the decisions this trio of justices rendered on abortion, health care, marriage, and gun ownership. . . . When President George W. Bush nominated Roberts for chief justice, I was in a private box seat at the Senate confirmation hearing. At Alito’s confirmation, I was the guest of Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah, the three-time Senate Judiciary Committee chair. And when Donald Trump chose Neil Gorsuch after Scalia’s death, not only was I present for the hearing, but a month before, I had coordinated prayers for Gorsuch and his family in a nearby chapel. On more than one occasion, I knelt in prayer alongside Mike Pence (when he was a member of Congress from Indiana) and other lawmakers in the vanguard of the new right.

Sometimes it takes a while for all of the penny to drop for folks in these organizations. This is a long read, so far I've skimmed it but will go back to read closely this evening. From Schenk, "My change of course so late in life has been painful, disorienting, and costly."

It took two years to extract myself. I dismantled the organization I had spent more than two decades building, walking away from a multimillion-dollar donor base. ­I called countless people to explain why I was leaving the movement I’d helped lead. ­I reached out to others to beg their pardon for the harm I had inflicted. I repented in prayer for my errors and the damage they caused. Then, I privately dedicated the rest of my life to doing as much repair as possible.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Oct 24 - 05:29 PM

Trump can run but he can't hide his past bad behavior, Jack Smith has seen to that and Judge Chutkan concurs. Even if the Trump folks manage to get some of today's information excluded, it is out there in the world.

Special counsel Jack Smith provides fullest picture yet of his 2020 election case against Trump in new filing

A federal judge in Washington, DC, has released the most comprehensive narrative to date of the 2020 election conspiracy case against Donald Trump, outlining what special counsel Jack Smith describes as the former president’s “private criminal conduct.”

The 165-page document comes from Smith’s office and is the fullest accounting yet of evidence in the election subversion case against Trump.

Throughout the document, Smith argues that the actions Trump took to overturn the election were in his private capacity – as a candidate – rather than in his official capacity, as a president. That argument flows from the Supreme Court’s decision in July, which granted the former president sweeping immunity for official actions but left the door open for prosecutors to pursue Trump for unofficial steps he took.

”At its core, the defendant’s scheme was a private one,” prosecutors wrote in the motion. “He extensively used private actors and his campaign infrastructure to attempt to overturn the election results and operated in a private capacity as a candidate for office.”

The filing weaves together what prominent witnesses told a federal grand jury and the FBI about Trump, along with other never-before-disclosed evidence investigators gathered about the former president’s actions leading up to and on January 6, 2021.

Releasing the motion, which was previously filed under seal, is the latest major development in Smith’s longstanding effort to prosecute Trump for actions he took to overturn the 2020 election, even as the former president is seeking a second term in a tight race with Vice President Kamala Harris. The case, which has already reached the Supreme Court once, has repeatedly been delayed as Trump has attempted to push off the prosecution until after the next month’s election.

Here is the 165-page document if anyone wants to read it.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Nov 24 - 09:11 PM

This thread is still here and open. And Letitia James, the AG of NY congratulated Trump - kind of - but made it clear he isn't going to walk all over them. The next couple of weeks might be interesting. There are some bills coming due for Mr. Trump that he can't pardon himself out of.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 09 Nov 24 - 09:20 PM

Bring it on!! :-D

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Nov 24 - 11:05 PM

Would Trump be allowed to make decisions from a prison cell?

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Nov 24 - 03:22 AM

would it not make more sense to give him harsh financial penalties plus prevent him from running his enterprises, removing or cutting presedential salary

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Nov 24 - 03:39 AM

Yet another possibilty Trump decides to improve conditions for prisoners as he is likely to be affected

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Nov 24 - 10:22 AM

Dick, this thread is about Trump's legal problems. Let's follow the legal cases here and stop speculating on Vance and Israel.

A sentence would be something that would no doubt be set aside by a state judge on appeal. Trump in jail isn't going to happen, probably ever, since Judge Cannon tanked the most concrete case of his misbehavior. He won't let anyone else get enough information on him going forward (because he'll declassify everything he wants to keep). He can't avoid the expenses he has incurred already but he'll figure out how to enrich himself while he's in office. If in two years the house and senate change hands then he might be held accountable. But it didn't happen that way the last time. We're just stuck with the criminal class in the White House and world leaders are lining up to pour money into his coffers. An unserved prison sentence will be a footnote on his Wikipedia page.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Nov 24 - 11:50 AM

Jack Smith has his crew finishing all of their work and he's completing his report to the AG and plans to leave before Trump is sworn into office.

I suspect Biden could be writing some private pardons in case Trump makes life hell for political opponents and prosecutors.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Nov 24 - 07:46 PM

Now they're talking about possibly freezing the sentencing in New York until after Trump is out of the White House. Will someone please grow a set and sentence him now. Get it over with and show the world that he is indeed a convicted felon.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 20 Nov 24 - 07:22 AM

First thought when I heard about the delayed sentencing: "They found his grandchildren."

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 Nov 24 - 10:51 AM

Looks like Trump is close to achieving his true purpose in running for President again - to stay out of jail. I recall a few of us saying a long time ago that Trump will never go to jail. Sadly, it’s beginning to look as though we were probably right.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 20 Nov 24 - 12:49 PM

I'm placing my bets on him choking on a cheeseburger, or any other fast-food related medical catastrophe, e.g. heart attack, aneurysm, stroke etc.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Nov 24 - 12:57 PM

He will fight it and probably die fighting - but at least sentence the creep! Georgia's trials are going to be delayed till 2029.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Nov 24 - 03:36 PM

Donald Trump's Nov. 26 sentencing in hush money case on hold as prosecution due to weigh in

If Trump ever faces a sentencing hearing, [Juan] Merchan has a wide set of options, including not imposing a sentence, ordering community service, or sending Trump to prison.

It's an open legal question, however, whether Merchan could impose restrictions that apply during Trump's presidency, or even in the few months before. No president-elect has been facing sentencing while approaching office, so courts have never ruled on what is permissible before.

Regardless, Trump's election victory is a major boon to him when it comes to his criminal cases. The Justice Department is weighing how to proceed with its two federal cases in light of the election. Justice Department policy states that a sitting president can't be criminally prosecuted under the Constitution.

Ah, Juan, take it for a spin. See what happens if you sentence Trump to prison now.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Nov 24 - 02:35 PM

Despite Trump so far is not getting jail time but he was indicted and found guilty of crimes (in civil and criminal courts). And his co-conspirators have suffered various defeats at the hands of state and federal governments.

Rudy Giuliani was found guilty in a federal court, this gist of it here:

The former New York City mayor was in federal court in Manhattan on Tuesday to discuss his continuing failure to give up nearly $11 million worth of personal assets. The forfeiture was meant as a down payment on the $148 million Mr. Giuliani owes to two Georgia election workers for defaming them by claiming, without evidence, that they had helped to steal the 2020 presidential election.

The gist of this article (behind a paywall) is that Giuliani's attorneys asked to be released from the case for an "unspecified “professional ethics” concern" and he has a new attorney. The new attorney wants more time to prepare for turning over Rudy's assets to the two women who won the case against him. Why the delay? Rudy wants to attend Trump's inauguration events in D.C. in January. The judge says no.

There is stuff in a storage locker on Long Island that the storage facility owner isn't letting the representatives for the women into. And Rudy hasn't relinquished his car and his real estate. Part of Rudy's problem is that he has some stuff being disputed with an ex-wife.

The important feature of this discussion is that this is federal court, and chances are that the ethical problem his former attorneys ran up against is that Rudy is hoping that if he delays long enough that Trump will pardon him once in office and make a lot of this go away. So getting possession of these things now is prudent. Vital, even.

Rudy Giuliani Loses His Lawyers, and His Cool, in Court
The subject of several cases, the former New York City mayor lashed out at a judge questioning why he had not forfeited

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Nov 24 - 10:28 AM

I heard a summary of the Jack Smith work with the Justice Department. The way he wrapped up these cases and the way judge Chutkan ruled (without prejudice) Trump can't touch them but they can be revived after this term. It's a long wait till 2029, but with the computer resident calendars these days go ahead and make a note of it. We'll see what happens in the next four years.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Nov 24 - 11:35 AM

What will happen in the next 4 years will be Trump appointees living in luxury on the taxpayers dime with impunity much like Herman Goering. With an AG like Bondi what do you expect?

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 28 Nov 24 - 01:55 PM

if the turnip is behind bars in 2029 then maybe the incoming residency should declare the election result retrospectively null and void and reverse EVERY turnip action not just directly domestically but every action indirectly worldwide.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Dec 24 - 01:05 PM

For those unfamiliar with Dante's Inferno the outer Layers of hell only deal with sins of appetite but the deepest pit of hell is only for those who have committed FRAUD.

Words are nourishing and enlightening but may also be used for malice and destruction. At the center of hell reserved for fraudsters, there are separate pits of fire for politicians and priests or other con men.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 08 Dec 24 - 09:19 AM

Minor observation while watching last night's coverage of the pre-rededication ceremonies at Notre-Dame de Paris:

Attendees included the Great and Good and assorted heads of state, plus Agent Orange and Agent X. I (and the cameras, despite their best efforts) noticed that Agent Orange had been seated next to Emmanuel Macron. Presumably Agent Orange thought it meant he was being honoured, though he got bored quickly enough; Herself observed that he was being sat next to Teacher, as he couldn't be trusted to behave properly in church. And lo, Madame Macron was seated the other side of him --- and she's a teacher.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Dec 24 - 11:11 AM

Right now it seems akin to when the Catholic church had two popes - Trump just can't wait his turn.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 08 Dec 24 - 04:46 PM

Is there any point in continuing a "Trump CONVICTED" thread when he is is not going to suffer any consequences for his actions, at least not for the next four years?

DC

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 08 Dec 24 - 05:23 PM

Keeping the memory alive that this is the case. We need to explicitly remember, lest we forget by accident, that there's an unsettled account.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Dec 24 - 10:56 PM

There are still cases against him, but he acts like there aren't.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 08 Dec 24 - 11:21 PM

Hopefully he will think all the cases have been swept aside and when his Presidential term is ended they will all come tumbling around him in a chaotic jumble and he will be in a state of massive, overwhelming shock. That's what I'm hoping, anyway.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Dec 24 - 02:28 AM

I hope you’re right, Helen, but I have a sneaking suspicion that he will by then have pardoned himself and all his cohorts, and those cases will simply die. That’s if he doesn’t die first.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 09 Dec 24 - 02:37 AM

Ah yes, BWM, except as I recall he can only pardon himself on Federal cases and not any of the State cases.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Dec 24 - 03:23 AM

Aaaaahh! Didn’t know that. Knowing him though, he’ll probably change the rules when he’s finished building New Gilead. :-O

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 09 Dec 24 - 04:18 AM

If the system couldn't manage to get him sentenced in the last four years, I don't hold up much hope for anything after his next term as President is over. It will be ancient history by then. Most people won't care, one way or the other.

DC

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Dec 24 - 04:43 AM

I think you have a point there, Doug.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Dec 24 - 05:37 AM

Trump says he'll likely pardon Jan. 6 rioters while Congressmen who investigated riot should be jailed.

This would give his brown shirt militias political power.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Dec 24 - 06:14 PM

TRUMP WINS 15 MILLION DOLLAR LAWSUIT against ABC for 'lying' defamation. Conservative Clear Channel billionaires bought ABC so it is a possible ruse to go after other journalists and media with precedent.

Trump has vowed to prosecute Bob Woodward, 60 Minutes, the Pulitzer Prize Committee and others.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Dec 24 - 08:25 PM

Judge denies throwing out NY conviction over immunity claim.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Dec 24 - 08:40 PM

In Timothy Snyder's On Tyranny his first lesson is short: Do not obey in advance.

These corporate types (and it seems that Iger at Disney is the one who made the call about the ABC settlement - they were on solid news-reporting ground but Disney, that owns ABC, doesn't want to piss off Trump) are rolling over like lap dogs, just letting him have his way before he's even in office.

This is Danegeld, plain and simple. And it never kept the Vikings away.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Dec 24 - 08:49 PM

Welcome to the age of intimidation, threat, and fear.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Dec 24 - 10:11 AM

Trump's case of election interference in Georgia is dismissed because the Prosecutor Fanni Willis had sex with a lawyer on her staff.
Somehow this was called a conflict of interest against Trump.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Dec 24 - 10:53 AM

It wasn't dismissed. Unless something has happened this morning, and it still had nothing to do with her relationship, thought Trump will always grasp at straws.

He isn't being dropped from the NY cases. They're still in limbo till he's out of office.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Dec 24 - 12:50 PM

The case isn't gone, just the decision so far that she shouldn't be on it. She'll appeal that.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Dec 24 - 01:46 PM

Trump gets to walk away free but the co-conspirators are still accountable unless their appeals succeed. Maybe Trump could still be accountable when he is out of office but it is not a sure thing.
The mess is not cut and dried but is ongoing.
Fanni is officially off the case but is still a prosecutor by election.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Dec 24 - 04:08 PM

She's only off until it is appealed and then we learn if she is restored to the case or not. Since it isn't going anywhere at the moment, it is moot. And she caught a lot of little fish in her net.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 19 Dec 24 - 04:29 PM

I remember when it was considered a good thing for a politician to have convictions Convictions JPG