BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when

Subject: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: KarenH
Date: 04 Sep 18 - 10:03 AM

Any ideas?

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: gillymor
Date: 04 Sep 18 - 10:09 AM

Ear plugs to insulate yourself from delusional Pollyannas.

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Sep 18 - 10:38 AM

Unlimited quantities of Negroamaro, Nero d'Avola and Torres Viña Sol. Tuscan olive oil. Parmigiano reggiano. Hundreds of tins of best quality canned Italian plum tomatoes. Gragnano pasta, whatever shapes they make, and lots of it, though I'm not a fan of trofie or chitarra spaghetti. A few dozen packets of vialone nano risotto rice. A couple of dozen bottles of 32% alcohol limoncello from a lovely little shop in Ravello. Prosecco by the hundred gallon. Some stuff won't keep long enough. Sadly, Amalfi lemons, mozzarella and scamorza come into that category. Jars of 'nduja paste. Pancetta for the freezer. And Waitrose Essentials baked beans.

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Sep 18 - 10:41 AM

Possibly a few dozen cases of Peroni. Or Alhambra lager from Andalucía. Sod it - both...

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Sep 18 - 10:42 AM

Just eat Spam. Wartime spirit and all that... :-D

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Sep 18 - 11:22 AM

As long as the spam is in a fritter and I have summat to wash it down with, I'll buy that...

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Sep 18 - 11:27 AM

A copy of my Mad lib version of Mien Kampf.

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Jack Campin
Date: 04 Sep 18 - 11:31 AM

No Spam. It all comes from Denmark.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/spam-spam-spam-spam-er-no-more-spam-1290411.html

But grab all the tinfoil you'll need. It's already vanishing off the shelves for people making hats.

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Sep 18 - 11:45 AM

Steve, why do you need to stockpile all that stuff?
Do you imagine they might stop selling it to us? Why?

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 04 Sep 18 - 11:59 AM

Roquefort, Manchego, Brie de Meaux, Parma and Serrano ham, Belgian pate, all kinds of bottled fruits and preserves, Chorizo and Salami, Kabanos, Truffle oil, countless wines, brandy and other spirits,

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Jos
Date: 04 Sep 18 - 12:27 PM

I thought not having access to European markets meant us not being able to sell OUR stuff to THEM, rather than not being able to buy their stuff (though prices may not stay the same.

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Sep 18 - 12:39 PM

Who knows, Jos?

All that, David. I forgot.

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: robomatic
Date: 04 Sep 18 - 12:41 PM

Never you mind, chum. I'm sure our President will be willing to make a good trade negotiation with you now that we can do it, so to speak, mano a mano. The New York Times reported how Trump over in Europe had to repeatedly be told by Merkel that he couldn't make a trade deal with Germany. It had to be the EU.

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Jack Campin
Date: 04 Sep 18 - 01:08 PM

Irish cheddar price will go up 44 percent

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Iains
Date: 04 Sep 18 - 01:31 PM

No doubt the production of real cheddar will accelerate in response. A win win situation.

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Jack Campin
Date: 04 Sep 18 - 01:45 PM

Yes, doubtless the True Blue Hero Herefords of England will grow extra udders to meet a time of national necessity. Just like the pigs of Britain will all grow three pancreases to meet the need for insulin.

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Iains
Date: 04 Sep 18 - 02:00 PM

Herefords are a beef annimal, I do not think a dairy farmer would look at them twice. The Holstein-Friesian breed is the most common and represents 90% of the collective herd.

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Sep 18 - 02:10 PM

Jack, stop worrying.
No-one will stop selling us stuff. Why would they?

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Jack Campin
Date: 04 Sep 18 - 02:49 PM

The question isn't whether "they" will stop selling "us" stuff, it's whether "us" will still be able to afford it. A 44% increase in the price of very basic foodstuffs will push a few million people into malnutrition. Meanwhile...

Insulin stockpiling

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Mr Red
Date: 04 Sep 18 - 02:50 PM

No-one will stop selling us stuff. Why would they?

import duties making the product less profitable?

Home-groan (sic) fodder will be the new habituation. So it will be Somerset "Bries & I" in "Rouge Towers". And where in the UK do they grow olives for the oil?

note to self:   buy job lots of Fillipo Berrio next Tuesday .............

so do you think they will believe I qualify for the Old Fogies Tues discount?

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Rapparee
Date: 04 Sep 18 - 03:40 PM

They say, Mr. Red, that you can tell an old fogy by the silver in his hair, the gold in his teeth, and the lead in his...ah, never mind.

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 04 Sep 18 - 03:56 PM

A 44% increase in food costs would be pretty disastrous for most people. And it isn't clear that we will be able to get the supplies.

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Sep 18 - 04:56 PM

Fillipo Berio is grease. M&S Tuscan EV olive oil will change your life. It'll change your change too at ten quid a bottle but you'll live forever.

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Jack Campin
Date: 04 Sep 18 - 06:10 PM

M&S? The UK's leading corporate backer of Zionism? Those lovely folks who burn 2000-year-old Palestinian olive groves for sheer sadistic fun? No thanks. Any oil they sell will stink of blood.

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Sep 18 - 07:43 PM

Marks and Spencer and tbe Coop are the only two UK supermarkets that have a policy of refusing to trade in goods made in settlements.

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 05 Sep 18 - 02:28 AM

Actually Aldi EV Puglian olive oil is pretty good too. And at a third of the price.

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Sep 18 - 03:51 AM

import duties making the product less profitable?

We will not impose import duties on EU food.

A 44% increase in the price of very basic foodstuffs will push a few million people into malnutrition

That assumes we will levy EU Tariffs on it. We will not.

A 44% increase in food costs would be pretty disastrous for most people. And it isn't clear that we will be able to get the supplies.

It isn't clear where this extra cost will come from, and we will get the supplies from the current suppliers. Why would they stop?

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Sep 18 - 03:58 AM

Dave, you mention stockpling "countless wines."

The EU tariff is just 4% which is dwarfed by the UK duty already added to wine. You will not notice the difference.

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Jack Campin
Date: 05 Sep 18 - 06:53 AM

We will not impose import duties on EU food.

Who is this "we"? Since when were you in charge?

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: KarenH
Date: 05 Sep 18 - 07:10 AM

"We will not impose import duties on EU food."

Suppose they do decide to let food from the EU in without import duties. Won't there be a need for paperwork to prove a) those imports come from the EU and b)that they are foods? And won't this lead to delays and added costs?

But we will also lose EU negotiated trade relationships with some countries we get food from, having to wait until WTO is negotiated or other deals are struck.

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Sep 18 - 08:54 AM

No. You must treat all countries the same. No tariffs on food imports except where our own producers need protection.

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Jack Campin
Date: 05 Sep 18 - 09:23 AM

So every shipment then needs to be checked to see if it competes with a UK producer?

If only .01% of the imports from a source country are problematic, 100% of them need to be checked, with all that implies.

One thing I expect to happen: supplies of illegal drugs will expand enormously. The customs people will be so snarled up looking for illegal catfood you'll be able to haul cocaine by the containerload undetected.

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 05 Sep 18 - 09:58 AM

And who decides "where our own producers need protection"? Those producers themselves, to enable them to charge higher prices? One think is for certain, it is joe public who needs this stuff who will lose out.

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Sep 18 - 09:59 AM

So every shipment then needs to be checked to see if it competes with a UK producer?

There is a database of products that holds all such information. There is almost no checking of shipments.

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Sep 18 - 10:02 AM

And who decides "where our own producers need protection"?

No. Our elected government.

The protection is already in place. The only difference will be that most tariffs can be removed.

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 05 Sep 18 - 01:59 PM

Our elected government are a bunch of dishonest scum who are probably in the pockets of UK producers. So still the citizens who just want to but EU produce at a reasonable price will lose out.

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Sep 18 - 02:26 PM

It might be Labour by then.
I think the parties agree on which farming needs protection anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 05 Sep 18 - 02:44 PM

In the case of the tories the farming that they want to protect is that carried out by rich farmers who are tory members and donors. Labour, if they follow Keir Starmer's current thinking, would keep us in the customs union and align us with the single market, and then there wouldn't be a problem.

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Mr Red
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 03:27 AM

Since we are concentrating on food prices, it is worth pointing-out that family food bills constituted (on average) 20% of the household budget in the 1960s. That figure currently runs to 11% and I have heard lower figures touted.

Where does the cheapo in "cheapo food" come from? Countries that welcome the revenue. Countries that are not exactly growing obese.

So when these countries realise their population is rising faster than western Eurpe, and the public are ever more savvy - how much of that cheapo food will stay at home to feed the angry mob?

Now factor-in global warming that is pushing optimum growing latitudes ever further to the poles, resulting in pest control getting ever more chemical, and yields falling in hotter climes &/or new less suitable terrain........

Food prices will be unfavourably affected.

Throw in Brexshit and vendors have a perfect excuse to hide the necessary re-balance in a "not my fault" excuse. It happened with decimisation. It happened with metrication. Plus ça change. History repeats itself, it has to, nobody listens.

Of course we can grow our own, picked by cheapo migrant labour from where? Calais?

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: KarenH
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 03:31 AM

Any suggestions for tinned stuff likely to rise in price, for example? Because it keeps longer.

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 03:33 AM

The cheapo food is largely produced domestically. Its the quality food which comes from the EU.

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 03:41 AM

Tinned tomatoes clearly Karen. They are largely Italian, the good ones anyway. Not sure what else, I use very little tinned anything.

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 03:48 AM

"Of course we can grow our own"

No, Mr. Red, we can't, we really can't. The climate, the soil, all kinds of unchangable factors.

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 05:14 AM

We shouldn't have to worry about any import tarrifs, as the government can directly subsidise this, and if it needs to recover the money, raise this through a poll tax levied on boroughs that were daft enough to vote leave. Not just consumer produce, but also supply chain components, or alternatively print ore money - hyper inflation may be an unfortunate by product - but if the printing money is kept off the books and circulate in brown envelopes then taht should be a problem.

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 06:13 AM

Of course we can grow our own"

No, Mr. Red, we can't, we really can't. The climate, the soil, all kinds of unchangable factors.

There are many on this site that would give you very strong arguments to show that 'Climate' is not an "unchangeable factor".

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 07:11 AM

Well we could cover the country with polytunnels and provide artificial heating and lighting. Very nice... Do a Google Earth and look how you can see the effect of this in Almería province in Andalucía, where tens of thousands of acres are covered in the flimsy, scruffy greenhouses they call plasticos. You can see them from hundreds of miles up in space.

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 09:32 AM

We do not need to grow more food.
We import most of our needs and will continue to do so.
We just will not have to apply EU tariffs anymore, even if they apply them to our food exports.

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 11:10 AM

The EU applies tariffs on very little anyway, many developing countries have reciprocal free trade agreements with the EU.

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 03:06 PM

We should have no trouble getting one then.

Subject: RE: BS: What to stockpile for Brexit and when
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 07 Sep 18 - 02:33 AM

Apart from May's intransigence, that would be true.