BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012

Subject: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 19 Dec 12 - 05:20 PM

I think "Time" made the logical choice. He has made a lot of news this year. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/12/19/obama_named_times_person_of_the_year_for_2012.html

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: gnu
Date: 19 Dec 12 - 05:27 PM

I'd agree, even tho I am not qualified on your level, JtS. I still hold out great hopes for what he can for the world in his next term.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 19 Dec 12 - 05:31 PM

Uh-huh.
Yay!
*snicker*!
=(:-( D)

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: bobad
Date: 19 Dec 12 - 05:36 PM

I agree and if he can do something about changing the gun laws he may get another Peace Prize.

BTW, the runner up was Malala Yousafzai, the young Pakistani girl shot in the head by a Taliban coward for her campaign for girl's education. Here's some of what Time had to say about her:

"In trying, and failing, to kill Malala, the Taliban appear to have made a crucial mistake. They wanted to silence her. Instead, they amplified her voice. Since October her message has been heard around the world, from cramped classrooms where girls scratch out lessons in the dirt to the halls of the U.N. and national governments and NGOs, where legions of activists argue ever more vehemently that the key to raising living standards throughout the developing world is the empowerment of women and girls. Malala was already a spokesperson; the Taliban made her a symbol, and a powerful one, since in the age of social media and crowdsourced activism, a parable as tragic and triumphant as hers can raise an army of disciples."

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 19 Dec 12 - 05:39 PM

Yep.
A real stampeder.
*hehehee*!
=(:-( 0)

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 19 Dec 12 - 05:52 PM

You know, Lincoln is on the one cent coin and the five dollar bill.
I think we should put Prez Barack Hussein al-Obama on one of them.
But which one?
I say the one cent coin.
Penny for your thoughts?
=(:-( l)

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 19 Dec 12 - 05:55 PM

Fuck off Krinkle with your insane racial slurs.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Dec 12 - 05:58 PM

Forgive him, Richard, for he knows not of what he speaks... You do... I do.. Everyone else does but...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: Ron Davies
Date: 19 Dec 12 - 05:59 PM

So, Mr. Krinkle, you are a stalwart "green" voter?   Interesting.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 19 Dec 12 - 06:01 PM

Don't use foul language.
Children come here.
Respect the Mudcat.
=(:-( X)

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 19 Dec 12 - 06:32 PM

You know, if you don't respond to him the thread will be shorter and to the point.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: Ron Davies
Date: 19 Dec 12 - 06:35 PM

So tell us, oh pristine Mr. Krinkle, what makes you a "green" voter.    Let's see, bigoted, subject to rather dubious assertions ( e.g. afraid of fluoride in the water), determined to hang on to all his guns and defend the outdated ( for anyone who can think) right of all Americans to be armed to the teeth--AK-47's and other automatic weapons included, proud of his ignorance and determined to do nothing about it ( e.g. against reading about a topic he likes to run off at the mouth about so that he'd stand a chance of making some sense).

Gee, I didn't know that was a typical 'green" voter.

I remember a bluegrass group where the leader used to say "we believe in aggressive ignorance in bluegrass music".    But he was kidding. You appear to be serious in your aggressive ignorance.

You learn something new every day.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 19 Dec 12 - 06:37 PM

Words of wisdom.
They never cease to amaze.
=(:-( ))

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: bobad
Date: 19 Dec 12 - 06:38 PM

Please - don't make this a thread about him, can't you see that is what he wants?

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 19 Dec 12 - 06:44 PM

Wellll now.*leans back in chair* Tell me about all the warm and wonderful things your boy has done.*taps foot* I'm waiting.
Other than being the Republican's patsy.
=(:-( ))

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: Amergin
Date: 19 Dec 12 - 07:07 PM

That little girl from Pakistan deserves it more than him. He's a president, it is nothing for him to speak. She showed raw courage and continues to do so.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012 jts
From: Amos
Date: 19 Dec 12 - 08:41 PM

Well-deserved after pulling off that campaign! Among many other things.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Dec 12 - 09:00 PM

If each of Krinkle's posts was removed (they are just air, he adds no content) the conversation would be shorter and on track. Bobad is correct, it really is best to resist the temptation to acknowledge the inane and insulting things he does post. It's all about Krinkle all of the time, adding little "me, too!" remarks just to keep his name in sight.

From here forward, please remember to stop feeding the troll.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: Ron Davies
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 12:06 AM

I disagree in this case. I'd actually like to know why he considers himself a "green" voter--which I think is different from being an aggressive crackpot (though please correct me if I'm wrong on this).

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: Ron Davies
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 12:10 AM

That question is actually more intriguing than the thread topic, since Person of the Year is often a media beauty contest.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 01:27 AM

As I recall, Richard is a 'greenie' because, although he didn't know who was running in the name of the Green Party, he said that's who he was voting for. Did he actually vote? I have my doubts.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: GUEST,999
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 09:58 AM

I agree with Amergin, but I have no problem with President Obama being the recipient for a few reasons.

1) President Obama answers my emails; The Hair doesn't.

2) I think knowing he has a majority of the American people behind him--not necessarily the ones who buy TV, news and social media time--will lead to some overdue change.

3) In terms of the American people--referred to in reason #2--the most important year will be in 2014 when 1/3 of the senate, 36 state governors and the entire 435 house representatives are up for election or reelection.

May you live in interesting times.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 10:47 AM

Time basically awards this to the most Newsworthy person. President Obama made a lot of news this year. Great campaign, lousy debates performance, taking a much more aggressive stance with the GOP?Tea party, and so on leading to the call for anti=gun laws the other day at Sandy hook. Who know how it will work out? But he is making news.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: Amos
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 10:59 AM

Thanks for the kind wish, Bruiser, but it is already well-taken-care of! :D

The PErson of the Year is selected on the basis of how much impact the electee has had on the world. One year it was the personal computer, back when typewriters were beginning to panic. Obama has made some important difgferences. For one thing he has forced the right wing reactivists to pull in their horns. For another he has salvaged the economy, if slowly, from a precipitate collapse. For a third he has moved the cause of rational health care forward in this country. For a fourth he has articulated a rational vision of economics being driven by the middle class, not the upper class, which is brilliant in its simplicity and (IMHO) accuracy and which has defanged the insanity of the plutocratic model of economics. For a fifth he has continually demonstrated a sense of compassion and intelligent leadership, and generally steered things in the right direction despite the best efforts of our less-than-sane minority to prevent it. For a sixth he has enhanced the repute of the country internationally, by actual survey. For a seventh he has backed down the rabid jingoistic militarism of the John Wayne crowd and re-aligned our national purposes away from invasion and militant world policing, while balancing this with a firmness in policy.

So overall, I think he has done as well as any ordinary man could do in the position, and has improved things. I would like to see an end to the combat posture in Afghanistan, but for the sake of those who live there, not at the cost of turning the whole region back over to the psychos in the Taliban. And I would dearly love to see a national Board of Enquiry investigate the gradual corrosion of constitutional freedoms in the United States and see steps taken to rectify them by restoring freedoms of speech, assembly, and the right to un-invaded privacy in homes and personal communications.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 11:27 AM

Yes, if there is one thing lacking in this country these days that Obama exemplifies it is *grace*...

A lot of grace-less people were like spectators watching gladiators during the first debate and were quick to give Obama a "thumbs down" for showing grace... That's sad... He didn't lose that debate... He refused to lower himself to the crassness exhibited by Romney with Romney's pit-bull tactics of repeating lies over and over and over...

Lotta people could learn something by re-winding and re-watching that debate...

Lotta people could also re-learn that when America started it's decline is when there always had to be a loser and a winner... If we treat the running of the country as combat then we are going to end up bloodied and far less able to compete in a global economy...

Good for Obama to continue to show compassion and grace...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: GUEST,999
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 11:54 AM

"And I would dearly love to see a national Board of Enquiry investigate the gradual corrosion of constitutional freedoms in the United States and see steps taken to rectify them by restoring freedoms of speech, assembly, and the right to un-invaded privacy in homes and personal communications."

Bravo, Amos, bravo!

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: Jim McLean
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 12:27 PM

What is Obama doing about the Israeli Anschluss of Pastinian land? Absolutely nothing except continual support for Israel.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 12:39 PM

Sorry...I disagree with this.
Obama is still killing civilians in Afghanistan, due to an invasion which should *never* have taken place. My country too is totally wrong to be there. He sanctions drones too, some of which have killed children and trust me, ALL Mothers cry the same tears, no matter where they come from.

Also, he continues to keep Leonard Peltier in prison, scared, I'd imagine, of the FBI and what they would do to him...It was, imo, the very first thing he should have done on first being elected, or at least, on being elected second time around....

I have NO respect for him in this matter.

Person of The Year 2012?

Leonard Peltier, who should actually win it EVERY year, for he has endured Absolute Hell these past 37 years...and even now is STILL being made to suffer, not receiving the correct medical treatment to this day.....

At least his friends and those from 'Democracy Now' have given him much support recently..

But whilst Obama continues to keep Leonard in prison, he has not an ounce of respect from me.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 12:45 PM

From just a very few days back and there are now other very recent videos about Leonard from Democracy Now out there too, following the concert for him in New York on the 14th December 2012 with Jackson Brown, Pete Seeger, Harry Belafonte and many many others, from all generations.

Leonard Peltier, PERSON OF THE LAST 37 YEARS!

Amy Goodman from 'Democracy Now' speaks to Leonard Peltier

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: Pete Jennings
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 01:15 PM

Does the US President have the power to order the release of a prisoner?

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 01:19 PM

Hitler was named "Man of the Year" It is not awarded for humanitarian reasons.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 01:29 PM

According to this Leonard Peltier fled questioning and had a shootout with police, possibly three shootouts, over the theft of a pair of cowboy boots. How does that make him worthy of respect? I am at a loss.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 01:39 PM

Take a pill, Liz. You need to up your dosage.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 01:50 PM

Sorry chaps, you've had it now. I suspect an uprising of Indians, led by Geronimo, Sitting Bull and their close facebook friends will bring the American nation crashing down. Leading the way for those who know nothing of the American people, apart from what the internet feeds them, to take over the world, cover it in thatched cottages and introduce compulsory 'Listen with Mother' on the radio at 2pm every day...

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 01:53 PM

Dave, LOL! Shouldn't this be on the 2012 thread?

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 01:54 PM

Yes, Pete, he can grant him clemency in an instant...Clinton WAS going to do this but the FBI threatened a countrywide strike. They probably also threatened Clinton too, being that they have files on everyone of importance..(to be used at a later date, I've no doubt)

Jack:

'Who Is Leonard Peltier ' - Official Site for Leonard

This very new video is BRILLIANT!! So much information here:
New & Excellent 'Deomcracy Now' interview with Peter Coyote on Leonard Peltier

There is NO evidence to convict Leonard of killing either of the agents. Myrtle Poor Bear, on whose testimony he was extradited from Canada, was threatened by the FBI that she would have her child taken away from her unless she said what they wanted..

Also, please do not take ANY notice of a site called 'No Parole Peltier' as this is run by Ed Woods, retired FBI agent. He, and a small group of other retired agents and their supporters spread many lies and much confusion about this case all over the internet...They also seek to use the FBI COINTELPRO tactics of 'neutralizing' Leonard's reputation. They took full page adverts out in major papers when Clinton was thinking of releasing him...It is one of the most horrendous miscarriages of justice and this man has sat in prison for nearly 40 years now!

In all this time, Leonard has refused to turn his face to the wall, doing all he can to help his People, raising awareness of Native American issues and problems...

Personally, I have NO idea how he keeps sane. He's also, throughout this time, been beaten, survived an assasinaton attempt, been moved thousands of miles away from his family, friends and legal team..and has spent many months in Solitary, the last time being just last year, for four months, in searing heat, being fed just ONCE a day (he's diabetic, severely so)..after being found to have a £20 note in his cell. It had come from a lady in Scotland, who'd put it in her letter to him. ALL mail is checked by the staff before being given to prisoners, ALL mail...Make of that what you will....You'll find a former prison guard on Youtube also talking about Leonard's time in Solitary, saying how badly he's so often treated.....

'Incident At Oglala' full documentary made with the help of Robert Redford

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 02:06 PM

That's right, Liz - only what YOU say or approve of has any validity whatsoever.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: gnu
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 02:07 PM

Re Leonard Peltier... there is a thread discussing his case for all to read. It should not be discussed here. Along with some of the other stuff, obviously.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 02:10 PM

I don't in any way condone or excuse the shooting of Federal officers. According to that article he says he shot at them, but did not kill them, this statement contradicts his previous provided alibis. Maybe he got a harsher sentence than is just. But it seems that he is not as innocent as you claim. If it were up to me, shooting at a federal agent would justify a very harsh sentence. It is a crime akin to insurrection, maybe treason.

I think you could easily find a more worthy "Person of the last 37 years."

Start with those who don't shoot at cops over cowboy boots.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 02:11 PM

Good point Gnu.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 02:18 PM

Jack, this case is *very* complicated. There was shooting going on everywhere. One of the Native American men who was also there, Joe Stuntz, was shot through the head. No murder investigation was ever launched for Joe. I can't go into all the details here, but if you are REALLY interested then do the research YOURSELF and do not let yourself be swayed by others.

gnu is very anti-Leonard, which is why he's asked for me to not mention him. I can mention anyone I so choose in here, because I do NOT agree with President Obama having been voted Person of the Year. Other people in here also disagree, yet they are not told to keep quiet and not post their opinions. You asked for info on this case, therefore, I provided it, above. There is a wealth of information out there, including videos by Robbie Robertson too....

Pete Seeger's doing all he can for Leonard, and to promote the new film due out next year 'Wind Chases The Sun'...on which ex-FBI agent, M Wesley Swearingen is also helping.

Leonard is the Mandela of America and Nelson himself has called many times over for Leonard to be released. Leonard has now been in prison way longer than Nelson.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 02:21 PM

Please do not discuss this any more on this thread. I am not interested. As I said, the fact that he admitted shooting at FBI agents is plenty for me.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 02:34 PM

Leonard is the Mandela of America

There is bullshit, damned bullshit, and then there is Liz bullshit.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 02:53 PM

Greg F that was a personal attack and it was not called for.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 03:02 PM

Well, A while ago I DID mention that he should win the Academy Award nomination for actor in the film category of best fictional Docu-Drama.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 03:10 PM

Not convinced Obama has made any substantial impact on the world this year. However in view of the US's history re: the world, I am tempted to believe that that's a very good thing!

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 03:17 PM

Thanks, Jack. It should probably be elsewehere but it is pretty apt don't you think :-)

I re-read your opening statement

Time basically awards this to the most Newsworthy person.

I think this probably indicates what this award is really for and puts Obama well to the front if not in the lead. The only other person I can of who think who generated more news was Osama bin Laden. But his newsworthyness was cut short somewhat! I agree with your sentiment of 2:21PM as well.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 03:44 PM

I'm sorry, Lizzie, but I think you are not fully in touch with what the president of the US can and cannot do... I mean, sure, if he woke up one day with a letter from Congress appointing him for life with full powers and a 55 gallon drum of fairy dust, yeah, I'm sure Obama would have done everything you wanted him to do...

However, if that happened then I missed it...

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 04:10 PM

I find the whole concept of "Person of the Year" pretty silly. And usually pretty predictable too. It's a scheduled PR excercise that our political culture goes through once a year in order to reinforce its sense of its own moral grandeur, and that's about as far as it goes. It's no surprise that Obama got it. It's kind of like it would be giving it to Julius Caesar (or one of his successors) if we were living back in the days of Rome.

A standard exercise. Matter of fact, they did do stuff like this in Rome periodically in order to further exalt their leaders.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres. Obama, Person of the Year 2012
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 05:10 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Person_of_the_Year

Yeah Hawk. That's why Stalin won it twice.