BS: My last thread about Obamateering

Subject: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 May 08 - 03:32 PM

Its been quite a ride. We've cooked and donated and put up signs that we've paid for. Our Volunteering led to us being behind Obama and, as a very small part of the screen, on local TV. Tomorrow we're going to canvas a bit and drive some folks to the polls. Then we're going to the results party at the Wilmington Hilton. I'll be glad when this is over.

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 05 May 08 - 03:51 PM

This it then?

Good luck!

If I could I'd vote for him.

We foreigners like him.

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: CarolC
Date: 05 May 08 - 04:00 PM

I expect Mr. the Sailor will be doing some more Obamateering if Obama gets the nomination. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 May 08 - 04:02 PM

Lox,
The North Carolina primary is tomorrow. We are really looking forward to meeting the other volunteers in person.

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: Amos
Date: 05 May 08 - 04:02 PM

Jack:

THanks from the bottom of me auld heart for all you and Carol have done to support this intelligent and decent man. You guys deserve to see him win all the way through.

My fingers are crossed that in January we will be congratulating President Obama for being elected alongside of a strong Democratic House and Senate.

A brief moment of celebration before the hard work begins!


A

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: Amos
Date: 05 May 08 - 04:57 PM

The more I watch Obama being tanglefooted by mass idiocy in the form of media mashups, histrionic irrelevancies, shadow plays, fear-mongering mummery, and chest-beating semantically null baggodocio by people whose sole claim to renown is being broadcast rather than any merit, the more I shake my head in awe that we have even survived this long as a democratic republic.

Then I remember the last eight years.



A

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 May 08 - 05:12 PM

The craziness is disheartening.

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: autolycus
Date: 05 May 08 - 05:23 PM

Jeffrey Sachs, a world-class economist, said on Beeb radio this a.m. that the current admin has been about the worst in US history (just relating info.)

I take Obamateering has no connection with climbing.

It's a sign of where people are at that Obama can get to be Pres. It'll get the US some credit.

   if we get a great improvement on Shrub thru him, then great progress will have been made.

We'll need eagle eyes to uncover all attempts to make him fail.

   Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: gnu
Date: 05 May 08 - 05:41 PM

Weeel, buddy, b'y. I juss got this here ta say.... as a ferriner ta yer great U S of A, I hope that this man who may become yer Pres is all that he's cracked up to be. I asked about my doubts a while back and asked to have them countered, but that was a wash. No matter. It's politickies.

Anaway, good fer you fer taking an active part in it all. It's all good when folks get involved and DISCUSS issues and such.

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: DougR
Date: 05 May 08 - 05:48 PM

Hate to rain on your parade, Amos, but McCain is going to be our next president I think.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: Amos
Date: 05 May 08 - 05:50 PM

Doug:

Rain away, pal; your grip on reality has always been a mite shaky, and it looks like it isn't getting any stronger.

A

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: Bill D
Date: 05 May 08 - 06:40 PM

I'm sorry to think folks would be voting for McCain just because he is a 'nice guy' or whatever. We have had 8 years of Republicans making a basic mess of almost everything they touched. It's not just that G. Bush was such a flawed president, but Republicans in general have such a bad record of scandals and embarrassments that it is hard to even remember all of the jaw-dropping stupidity related to the Bush-led and Karl Rove inspired arrogance of thinking that a minute 'victory' in 2000 gave them a mandate to stomp on rights and common sense with impunity!

Who, me? Disillusioned? nawwwww...but hopeful others will see what I see.

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: GUEST,Chief Chaos
Date: 05 May 08 - 06:48 PM

The "tanglefooting" is exactly the reason I'm not sure he's the best candidate. It's not that he wouldn't make a good President, it's just that I think the other camp knows how to weather this sort of thing better.

And if you think Hillary is being nasty, just wait until the their is only one Democrat candidate! Then the mud will really fly!

Whoever the candidate turns out to be, I think they'll get full support of all Democrats and most of the undecided. I've yet to see any relief from any of the problems currently plaguing the US from the current administration other than giving us a little money and hoping we blow it all to recover the economy.

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: CarolC
Date: 05 May 08 - 07:09 PM

They're being gentle with Hillary now, Chief Chaos, because they want her to be the nominee. But if that happens, what they're doing to Obama now will look like a day at the beach by comparison.

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: John O'L
Date: 05 May 08 - 07:11 PM

The world needs Obama now. Common sense and decency are very much endangered qualities, and although I understand that he will be thwarted at every turn, his election will at least signal that America has at last had enough. Here's hoping it has.

Jack tells us that the North Carolina primary is tomorrow as if that's all you need to know. It doesn't mean much to me I'm afraid, but if it's a significant milepost,
I hope we pass it comprehensively.

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 May 08 - 07:12 PM

You'd really thinking that anyone who actually voted for Bush would be so embarrassed by now they'd be hesitant to trust their judgement on anything.

I mean, even expressing support for McCain involves admitting that they completely screwed it up last time by picking Bush instead.

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: GUEST,Chief Chaos
Date: 05 May 08 - 07:32 PM

I understand what you're saying CC, but I think they've pretty much been playing softball with Obama and letting Hillary do the dirty work.
Why should they waste campaign funds against him when the Hillary camp will and they can pretty much stay out of it? It has the additional merits of making her the bad guy in the Party and possibly causing the loss of the African American vote for the Democrats.

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: DougR
Date: 05 May 08 - 07:44 PM

Gee whiz, Amos and McGrath, I really hate to see so many of my Mudcat friends disappointed, but ...I guess we will just have to wait and see.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: Amos
Date: 05 May 08 - 07:45 PM

When she concedes the nomination, the machinery will shift dramatically. We will see the Axis of Evil go into flat-out slander, shock-and-awe-by-falsification, continuing their efforts to degrade and distort the ideals of demopcracy. We will see the remnants of the Hillry machine line up behind Obama in some sort of order and I can only hope she herself can be as good a sport as he would be if he were the loser instead of the winner. I hate zero sum gamemanship. It is so shortsighted. But that's the playing field we will be facing, and the mud-howitzers, swiftboaters, and manure-sprayer-bombs will be flying.

We need to get a leeetle more ruthless about the use of pushbutton rhetoric.

A

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: CarolC
Date: 05 May 08 - 08:22 PM

I mean, even expressing support for McCain involves admitting that they completely screwed it up last time by picking Bush instead.

LOL!

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: CarolC
Date: 05 May 08 - 08:26 PM

Chief Chaos, this is the kind of stuff we're going to be seeing if Hillary gets the nomination...

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=hillary+chronicles&search_type=

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: GUEST,Chief Chaos
Date: 05 May 08 - 08:59 PM

After what she and Bill went through at the hands of the "Vast right wing conspiracy" I don't think there are many people who can be swayed against her. There's much more about Obama that is unknown. I have a friend that won't vote for her because she simply stayed with Bill. Never mind the political damage that would have occurred if Bill had been the first pres. divorced while in the whitehouse.

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: CarolC
Date: 05 May 08 - 09:02 PM

People don't need to be swayed against her. Being a know quantity is not an asset for Hillary. She is deeply hated by a hell of a lot of people. Almost universally by Republicans and Libertarians, but I know a lot of independents who hate her as well.

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 May 08 - 09:06 PM

The Republicans can't do as much damage to Obama as Hillary has already. His biggest problem will be Hillary appearing in their ads. When it comes down to real differences in policy compared head to head the Democrats will leave McCain in the dust.

It will be about the numbers.
Third Bush term
One hundred years in Iraq.
A trillion dollar war.
72 year old candidate.
Three airbus lobbyists on McCain's staff.


For John O'L - This about sums it up.

Except for the insane obsession the Press has for Rev. Wright.

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: CarolC
Date: 05 May 08 - 09:10 PM

I should have put it this way...

There are many Republicans who don't like McCain at all, who would likely stay home if Obama is the nominee. But Hillary is almost universally hated by Republicans and Libertarians, and also by many independents, and they would make an extra effort to show up to vote against her.

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 May 08 - 09:10 PM

The Democrats biggest advantage in this election is the demoralized Republican base. The corruption, the economy, the wasteful spending and Bush Administration lies has taken a toll. The ONE thing that could really really fire up that base? Hillary Clinton's name on the ballot.

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: CarolC
Date: 05 May 08 - 09:46 PM

DougR on the subject of Senator McCain...


Subject: RE: BS: Alert to help our forests - USA
From: DougR - PM
Date: 02 Sep 02 - 01:05 PM

Toad: it pains me to see you lump Senator McCain in with Barry Goldwater. McCain is no conservative. I don't know what he is. I guess the best word that describes MacCain is ambitious.


Subject: RE: BS: Downing St minutes - impeachable?
From: DougR - PM
Date: 20 Jun 05 - 03:45 PM

Nope, sorry gang, but the memos are not grounds for impeachment. How do I know? Simple. If they were, every Democrat in the United States Senate, and John McCain, would be introducing legislation to start the party.


Subject: RE: BS: Will progressive Wis Sen Feingold run?
From: DougR - PM
Date: 15 Feb 05 - 01:40 PM

I am not a fan of McCain.


Subject: RE: BS: Homeland Security Bill Passes Senate
From: DougR - PM
Date: 19 Nov 02 - 07:49 PM

I'm a bit miffed at my Senator (McCain) though. He voted with the Democrats. Since he is more Democrat than Republican anyway, it won't surprise many people out here though. Senator John Kyl voted the right way though.


Subject: RE: BS: Senator Jeffords still an 'issue'
From: DougR - PM
Date: 28 Jun 01 - 01:54 AM

Pardon me while I ...no I won't say that. Jeffords has made his choice and I hope he has a long and successful political life in ...Maine? No ...Vermont?

He and Arizona's senior senator, John McCain, make a great duo. DougR

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: balladeer
Date: 05 May 08 - 09:47 PM

Ah ... so here is a more-or-less reasonable political thread. I just joined MyBarackObama.com even though I'm a British Canadian living in Toronto. I can't give them money. That would be illegal, so for now I'm happily making use of their blogging space to talk about why Barack has the makings of a great leader - and to lecture on the importance of voting.

Btw, am I right in thinking that over the three years that I've been as good as gone from the Mudcat, there has been a serious rise in the British population hereabouts? That makes me feel right at home ....

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 May 08 - 09:55 PM

Welcome back balladeer. I am a Canadian USA-an living In Wilmington, NC, USA.

DougR

I guess you're voting for Obama in November ;-) Might as well vote for a real Democrat rather than a fake one.

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: CarolC
Date: 05 May 08 - 10:03 PM

I didn't realize you'd left, balladeer. I was gone for a while myself, though, so that may be why. I remember meeting you in Toronto a few years ago, though, at a concert with Rick Fielding, Paul Mills, and Grit Laskin.

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: balladeer
Date: 05 May 08 - 10:33 PM

Carol - just felt a pain in my heart, thinking about Rick.

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 05 May 08 - 10:39 PM

JtS and CC:
Thank you. I am sad that Kucinich is out. Obama is the next best thing. We can do it. And, if it doesn't work, at least we did the right thing.
Tim

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: CarolC
Date: 05 May 08 - 10:55 PM

Carol - just felt a pain in my heart, thinking about Rick.

Yeah... :-(


I'm sad about Kucinich too, TIA. Hopefully he'll keep his House seat in the fall.

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: M.Ted
Date: 05 May 08 - 11:03 PM

Jack the Sailor and CarolC will carry on with their Obamateering tomorrow, no matter how the primaries in North Carolina and Indiana turn out--let no one be deceived.

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: Ron Davies
Date: 05 May 08 - 11:04 PM

Hillary will have to work her heart out for Obama when he is picked as the nominee--(especially since her whole campaign has been so relentlessly negative)-- if she wants to preserve her own political options.

And you can bet she does--so she will.

If she doesn't, it will be painfully obvious--and the end of her political career.

It will be interesting to see just how charming and gallant her concession speech will be.

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: balladeer
Date: 05 May 08 - 11:12 PM

I have a thread going called What Else Can I Do? It isn't very long and I think it might be interesting to you who are so interested in the political process. Perhaps you'll help me keep it afloat for a while.

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: CarolC
Date: 05 May 08 - 11:17 PM

M. Ted, see my 05 May 08 - 04:00 PM post.

You've become a very snide person of late.

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: katlaughing
Date: 05 May 08 - 11:53 PM

I'll listen to it again, balladeer. It's a great song!

Welcome back, btw, and yes, the Brits are much more prevalent than a few years ago.:-)

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 May 08 - 12:14 AM

By Obamateering I meant starting threads about us Volunteering for Obama. I thought that was clear enough. Obviously we won't have any chance to volunteer once the primary is over.

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: Wolfgang
Date: 06 May 08 - 12:35 PM

expressing support for McCain involves admitting that they completely screwed it up last time by picking Bush instead (McGrath)

There is not much logic in that argument even if it made Carol laugh (with you, or about you, I don't know). From their POV McCain could have been the second best choice then and the best today since Bush is not allowed to run for a third term (sighing thankfully).

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: Jim Lad
Date: 06 May 08 - 01:03 PM

I'm afraid the whole Jeremiah Wright thing has put me off the whole process. All a bit too sinister for me.
I expect Obama to carry both states today, no matter what the polls are saying and am utterly confused by the media's constant manipulation of the voting public.
I took an interest in the process several months ago and have always prided myself in learning just enough about various cultures to carry on a sensible discussion.
In this case however, I feel I know much less than I did going in and very little at all about racism as it applies to the American voting system.
Now.
I've got a bunker to dig.
Got to go.

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: CarolC
Date: 06 May 08 - 01:53 PM

We've been canvassing today, and the turnout for Obama from this neighborhood has been great, as has the enthusiasm for Obama. It's been very rewarding.

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 May 08 - 02:31 PM

We've been meeting some of our neighbors and talking to our friends. We have had a good day!

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: Amos
Date: 06 May 08 - 02:40 PM

Way to go guys--you have earned the joy of it.


A

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 May 08 - 07:39 PM

From their POV McCain could have been the second best choice then and the best today since Bush is not allowed to run for a third term.

True enough, that logically consistent. It's pretty awe inspiring to think there are probably some people who do actually think that Bush has been a good choice as President, and a better one that McCain could ever be. But the indications are that that wouldn't include most of the people who voted for Bush.

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: GUEST,Chief Chaos
Date: 06 May 08 - 09:15 PM

Strange thing when the Republicans vote for her in the primaries to be able to vote against her in the election!

I don't think that the Republicans are going to stay home if Obama is the candidate. They are going to need every single vote they can get to defeat either Hillary or Obama.

I guess I can't understand anyone who just plain hates her so much (aside from Republicans) that they'd allow the country to continue running under Republican control.

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: M.Ted
Date: 06 May 08 - 09:31 PM

I'm not snide--I am just tired of your approach to "supporting Obama", which has tended toward unyielding attack on anyone and everyone that doesn't affirm your opinion. Jack hasn't stepped over the line as often or as far, but that's faint praise--


If Obama's intent was to bring civility back to our national political discourse, you all wouldn't be evidence that he has succeeded--

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: GUEST,Chief Chaos
Date: 06 May 08 - 09:33 PM

Actually McCain was the first best choice back then. Unfortunately he was not "Conservative" enough back then so look who we wound up with.

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: CarolC
Date: 06 May 08 - 10:11 PM

Please show me where I have attacked anyone in any discussions about Obama, M. Ted.

Subject: RE: BS: My last thread about Obamateering
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 May 08 - 10:17 PM

I liked McCain of 2,000. This version id just Bush Lite.