BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Jun 24 - 11:44 AM

Good old Farage. The man who makes Tories look good...

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 03 Jun 24 - 11:58 AM

Even the Second Coming of Christ as their leader wouldn’t make the Tories look good.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: DMcG
Date: 03 Jun 24 - 12:35 PM

I do wonder what the position is with Farage standing to be MP and also having a regular show on GB News. That must breach the electoral rules, surely?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Jun 24 - 12:40 PM

They wouldn't have JC with his views on money :-D

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Rain Dog
Date: 03 Jun 24 - 01:24 PM

Farage said at the press conference that he will be giving up his show on GB News.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Rain Dog
Date: 03 Jun 24 - 01:29 PM

JC did have an advantage when it comes to money. Not everyone can rustle up a picnic for 5,000 without making a trip to the shops.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 04 Jun 24 - 05:16 AM

Don't you just love (irony) those companies masquerading as political parties but with no effort or intention of being democratically organised which serve no purpose whatsoever than being a ego trip and potential side hustle for individuals who have mastered the art of playing to people's most base prejudices. That is all populism 'politics' is about. No doubt the knuckle draggers will adore fartarse with his messages that reinforce and legitimise their hatred.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 04 Jun 24 - 05:53 AM

..... which serve no purpose whatsoever than being a ego trip ....

Like it or not, UKIP achieved its basic aim in the Brexit referendum.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Rain Dog
Date: 04 Jun 24 - 06:50 AM

A recent article from Tax Policy Associates

"Labour and the Tories have both said they can raise £6bn from cracking down on tax avoidance and evasion. How plausible is this?"

Is there a £6bn tax avoidance magic money tree?

++

Parties promise so much nowadays but it is becoming harder and harder to believe them. I think that finances are going to be very tight for the next government, whoever gets in.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 04 Jun 24 - 07:10 AM

> I think that finances are going to be very tight
> for the next government

*Agree*. The outgoing party doesn't need to care, and the incoming one daren't fail to match them boast-for-boast. The only one to solve this conundrum was Churchill, with his "sweat and tears" speech.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 04 Jun 24 - 09:52 AM

Just read about use of deep fake videos illegally using the BBC brand to supposedly post on social media insidious and insulting comments. With an election present, the BBC needs to call out this misuse of their brand and either (1) send everyone a transcript of the actual interview, or (b) rebroadcast the actual interview on all news channels and on its own social media and web pages. It might also be a good idea for the Electoral Commission to write to everyone in the relevant constituencies to notify use of deep fake that might impact on their voting choices. I would rather have millions of pounds of tax payers money spent keeping elections 'clean' than a single voter making a decision based upon misinformation, otherwise we might as well not bother with elections and ask the election manipulators who they want to win and save the money spent on a gneeral election.

Whatever the party affected, we cannot allow our democracy to be undermined this way.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Jun 24 - 10:49 AM

Some might say that **some** voters already make their choices based upon misinformation - e.g. the barefaced lies of the Brexit 'Leave' campaign, the scandalous character-assassination of Jeremy corbyn by the lies of the Tories in 2019, the oft-repeated claim by the Tories in this current GE that 'Labour has no plan' on whatever issue is being discussed.

Misinformation has long been a tool of the unscrupulous in our politics.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 04 Jun 24 - 11:52 AM

Backwoodsman: Some might say that **some** voters already make their choices based upon misinformation - e.g. the barefaced lies of the Brexit 'Leave' campaign, the scandalous character-assassination of Jeremy corbyn by the lies of the Tories in 2019, the oft-repeated claim by the Tories in this current GE that 'Labour has no plan' on whatever issue is being discussed.

1,the barefaced lies of the Brexit 'Leave' campaign, as opposed to the remainer lies of an immediate £60bn black hole, & mass unemployment
2,the scandalous character-assassination of Jeremy corbyn by the lies of the Tories in 2019, I believe it was Labour who actually managed to get rid of Jeremy Corbyn (and who now seem to be delighted that he is no longer part of the party)
3,the oft-repeated claim by the Tories in this current GE that 'Labour has no plan' on whatever issue is being discussed. How can you possibly know who has made a choice based on this as the election has yet to take place?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Jun 24 - 12:58 PM

Nigel, yes, there was misinformation on both sides. It was an awful and nasty campaign which, in my opinion, accelerated the slide into the gutter political fights that now seem to be the norm. However, BWM was right about the "barefaced lies of the Brexit 'Leave' campaign". No amount of wrongs will ever put that right.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 04 Jun 24 - 01:06 PM

Now now, you two. Put the handbags *down*, and step *away* from your keyboards, before your friendly neighbourhood MudElf happens by.

Meanwhile, back at SPB's comment: The problem would be that nobody would be convinced by a full-bore refutation, as the offender need only cry "conspiracy". Bad rumours become self-propagating, especially if they're juicy.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Jun 24 - 01:10 PM

”I believe it was Labour who actually managed to get rid of Jeremy Corbyn (and who now seem to be delighted that he is no longer part of the party)”

Which has nothing whatsoever to do with the lies used by the Tories as a character-assassination tactic in their 2019 GE campaign (and which lies undoubtedly played a part in their achieving their landslide victory).

”How can you possibly know who has made a choice based on this as the election has yet to take place?”

Your English Comprehension skills seem to be somewhat lacking, Nigel - I haven’t claimed to know ‘who has made a choice based on this’, I simply gave an example of misinformation being put about by the Tories during the current GE campaign. If you can show where I made the claim that I ‘know who has made a choice based on this’, I would be very interested to see it.

You really do need to train yourself to resist picking at those nits.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Jun 24 - 01:14 PM

MaJoC, the moderators are not interested in this thread unless things get particularly nasty. Which they haven't.

Condescending twaddle could change that of course...

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 05 Jun 24 - 06:08 AM

Nigel, on your first point, the leave campaign made promises that they knew were impossible to fulfill unless the EU were to rewrite all their treaties with respect to the operation of the single market and customs union in its dealings with third countries. On the other hand the remain campaign made predictions as to the impact of leaving which is not a promise. Although the impact was not as disastrous as what was predicted, conditions have worsened, not necessary for the wealthy safe in their bubbles, but effeminately for us mere mortals. To be honest, since leaving the EU the fabric of our society is being dragged into the sewers and makes me question whether life is worth living any more.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 05 Jun 24 - 07:10 AM

impossible to fulfill unless the EU were to rewrite all their treaties with respect to the operation of the single market and customs union in its dealings with third countries
As long as the EU have 'special relationships' with Norway & Switzerland they do not have a single method of dealing with non-EU countries. So expecting to deal along similar lines was not asking for something 'impossible'

but effeminately for us mere mortals.
Sorry, I cannot understand your intended meaning.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 05 Jun 24 - 08:52 AM

Is it just me who thinks that the only reason fartarse is standing and reclaimed leadership of that vile nasty piece of works party is so that revolting g*t will be allowed to open its vile mouth in the all parties' leaders' debate. I hope the presenter will at least have the decendcy to tell it to shut the **** up every time it attempts to starts whining and the TV channel hosting the debate will write to apologise to every household if they fail to make an announcement at the start of the programme that "allowing the s**m to mouth of may make decetn people want to vomit"

You may notice I have heavily toned down what I would really want to say about fartarse, and apologies to any sensitive readers who may be offended by the tome of my language.

Rant over - just glad to get it off my chest so I can get on with more important things.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 05 Jun 24 - 11:17 AM

unfortunately not

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 05 Jun 24 - 11:20 AM

May's red lines ruled out any possible mutually beneficial relationship under EEA or EFTA so I stand by my original assertion.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Jun 24 - 12:06 AM

The BBC and other news sources have always given far to much credence and air-time to Farage, putting him up there alongside leading, successful figures in our political arena, whereas he’s a failure as a politician, having failed to get elected as an MP no less than eight times, a former absentee MEP who hardly ever attended the European Parliament (whilst presumably accepting the substantial salary), and a one-trick pony in terms of his focus.

Why anyone would have even the faintest scintilla of interest in anything he has to say is totally beyond my comprehension.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jun 24 - 06:16 AM

Didn't know whether to post this here or on the joke thread!

Just seen on Facebook. How come Nigel Farage, Tommy Robinson and Laurence Fox are commemorating D-Day? Their side lost didn't they...

:-D

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 07 Jun 24 - 08:07 AM

The trouble is every time that repulsive object is given media opportunities, it gets another opportunity to spread more of its toxic bile.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 07 Jun 24 - 07:50 PM

Basckwoodsman: The BBC and other news sources have always given far to much credence and air-time to Farage, putting him up there alongside leading, successful figures in our political arena, whereas he’s a failure as a politician, having failed to get elected as an MP no less than eight times,

7 attempts is definitely 'less than eight times'
BBC

But don't let facts get in the way of your rant!

And, No, I'm not supporting Farage. Just looking for factual comments.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Jun 24 - 08:46 PM

Interesting that you haven’t disputed anything in my post other than a small numerical error, Nigel.

But nit-picking is much easier than actually debating an issue, isn’t it?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Jun 24 - 04:38 AM

Backwoodsman try paying attentiuon to detail

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Jun 24 - 06:17 AM

Backwoodsman, don't forget to pay "attentiuon" to detail !!!!! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Jun 24 - 06:40 AM

:-D :-D :-D

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Jun 24 - 07:35 AM

”Backwoodsman, don't forget to pay "attentiuon" to detail !!!!! :-)”

I always do pay ‘attentiuon’ to detail, Raggy, but there’s not much I can do when the source of my information gets it wrong, other than be an adult and have the balls to admit to it. And at least I don’t moan to the Mods and get them to amend/remove my errors and the posts of my critics when they’re pointed out (unlike others around here who shall remain nameless but they know who they are). ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Jun 24 - 02:15 PM

We don't know who they are BWM. Name names! Let us in on the secret!

Or is it just like the mysterious "they" as reported in the press? :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Jun 24 - 02:42 PM

I think you’re being deliberately obtuse and you know perfectly well that they exist, and equally well precisely who I’m referring to! As I said - no names, no pack-drill.

Now back to the thread-topic…

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Jun 24 - 05:52 PM

I don't. Honestly! I am not being deliberately anything. I just don't understand obfuscation. If you want to attack someone, just do it. Don't sneak around with the no names, no pack drill blllocks. It's politicians and their weasel ways that got us in this mess. Being strait with people is the better option.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Jun 24 - 08:55 PM

"Being strait" !?

Is that like the Bering Strait only shorter ................?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Jun 24 - 02:20 AM

As I said elsewhere - Attention to detail… ;-) :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Jun 24 - 02:24 AM

:-D :-D :-D

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Jun 24 - 02:42 AM

LOL Dave! We’ve all done it, and certainly will drop clangers again in future!

And, FWIW, I wasn’t ‘attacking’ anyone - just gently letting those I referred to know that I’m on to them and their little games, no ‘naming and shaming’ necessary. Not an ‘attack’ as such, more an act of self-defence/preservation..

So, subject closed AFAIC, and on with the issues of Brexit & other UK political topics…??

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Jun 24 - 03:10 AM

Fairy Nuff BWM. Apologies if I came across as to harsh. I just find that references to the mysterious "they" get up my nose. I think it is relevant to the topic in that the press use it to smear their favoured party's opponents without the risk of getting sued. I call a spade a spade and, often to my own detriment, speak my mind.

Anyroads, yes, back to the main topic of bringing the government's failings to light. And naming the wrongdoers:-)

Not that it will do much good on an obscure music website but it will make us feel better

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Jun 24 - 05:34 AM

One of the things that’s driving me nuts about the GE Campaign is that it seems almost impossible to get a Tory to talk about Tory policies. On TV and radio, and in the press and on SM, they talk constantly about Labour (including the usual lies, such as Sunak’s ‘£2,000 additional tax under Labour’ bare-faced lie).

Seems to be an indication of how little the Tories have got to offer.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 09 Jun 24 - 06:22 PM

Backwoodsman:
Interesting that you haven’t disputed anything in my post other than a small numerical error, Nigel.

But nit-picking is much easier than actually debating an issue, isn’t it?

Apart from the 'small numerical error' (also known as a 'factual inaccuracy') the rest of your post was personal opinion. I cannot argue with your opinions. You are welcome to hold them. Please also allow me to hold mine.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Jun 24 - 06:36 PM

Any comment on Sunak's "factual inaccuracies" Nigel?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 09 Jun 24 - 06:44 PM

Dave: Any comment on Sunak's "factual inaccuracies" Nigel?

He was definitely wrong to suggest that Wales would have any interest in the soccer.

His suggestion of Labour planning for a £2,000 increase in taxes for each 'working household' has been queried, but we have yet to see what is in the party manifestos.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Jun 24 - 10:39 PM

Saw a brilliant image on SM yesterday. The famous B&W wartime photo taken from a landing-craft on a Normandy beach, with the troops, backs to the camera, wading ashore into battle, and Photoshopped with an image of a suited-and-booted Sunak, briefcase in hand, getting back into the landing craft, ready for the journey back to Blighty.

The title over the photo? ‘The Longest Half-Day’!

I wonder if Sunak’s regretting his decision to run a ‘Presidential-style’ campaign yet? Thanks to his disastrous gaffes and easily-called-out deceits (Q: How can you tell he’s lying? A: His mouth’s moving!), ‘Presidential’ isn’t the image of him that’s coming over ATM - ‘Desperate and Failing’ springs much more readily to mind.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 10 Jun 24 - 05:58 AM

I wonder if Sunak’s regretting his decision to run a ‘Presidential-style’ campaign yet? Thanks to his disastrous gaffes and easily-called-out deceits (Q: How can you tell he’s lying? A: His mouth’s moving!), ‘Presidential’ isn’t the image of him that’s coming over ATM - ‘Desperate and Failing’ springs much more readily to mind.

Looking at the nation across the ocean, I don't think 'presidential' is something to aspire to.
Of course, France has a 'president' as well. But probably not than an inspiring person.
Putin? I'm starting to see a theme here . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jun 24 - 02:36 PM

Why on earth do the TV news providers keep giving Farage equal air time with the major parties? His party has no seats. He has failed to be elected 7 times. When he was an MEP, he never attended. It's like them producing a documentary on astro physics with Brian Cox and, to provide a balanced view, letting the bloke who read something on Facebook have his say.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Rain Dog
Date: 11 Jun 24 - 03:05 PM

They have candidates standing in approx 600 seats, I think.
Hardly surprising that they are getting some media coverage.

Talking of candidates, we have 11 standing here in Dover & Deal. Some people have more money than sense.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jun 24 - 03:29 PM

It's not even a proper political party, Rain Dog, it's a limited company. They have basically just bought their way into the arena.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jun 24 - 04:24 PM

Who's going to claim 500 then? :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 Jun 24 - 04:50 PM

Oh go on then! :-)