BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: DaveRo
Date: 26 Oct 24 - 04:44 AM

people are capable of forming opinions without me

True. But personally I'd like a reason for why I should bother to click a link, if only a sentence saying what it's about. In this case the link included 'brexit-eu-starmer-labour' which was not enough - there have been hundreds of articles on those subjects; why should I look at this one?

Absent a reason for clicking, I have only the identity of the poster. Some folk on here, I'd nearly always click their links. Others - never. You're - er - somewhere in the middle ;)

It also comes accross as lazy on the poster's part. If they don't spend any effort posting, why would I waste my time reading? And possibly fighting cookie banners and paywalls.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Oct 24 - 05:37 AM

”The whole point of a discussion is to exchange ideas and, to that end, it is pretty pointless just to post a random link with no indication of why you have done it. When you post a link it is just common courtesy to say what it is about and why you think other people may be interested.”

Spot on Dave.

”It also comes accross as lazy on the poster's part. If they don't spend any effort posting, why would I waste my time reading? And possibly fighting cookie banners and paywalls.”

Spot on too, DaveRo. I have a short mental list of posters whose posts I scroll past as a matter of principle because they are mostly hogwash, often deliberately and unnecessarily provocative, and seldom worth reading.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Oct 24 - 05:42 AM

BWM :-D

Dick, do you never wonder why lots of your posts are deleted?

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As has again happened. ---mudelf

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Oct 24 - 02:08 PM

Obviously not, Dave! ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 28 Oct 24 - 09:18 AM

Finally, some good news, Yaxley is behind bars. We just need to instruct the Home Office to write to eeryone in the UK to make sure that everyone understands that Yaxley was lying. The cost can be met by a personal, bank loan to Yaxley which he, his family and his descendents will just need to work off.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Oct 24 - 11:52 AM

His defence solicitor said that "he was such a controversial figure he may be placed in solitary confinement by prison governors, as had occurred the last time he had been jailed, and there was medical evidence he had previously suffered trauma, panic attacks and nightmares."

What a shame for the poor hard done to little lamb...

Who remembers Lizzie Cornish? I had the misfortune to come across some of her rantings on Faceache recently. Not only did she believe that convicted paedophile Rolf Harris was innocent but also that Tommy Robinson is misunderstood and simply standing up for the rights of British people. Her FB posts are no longer visible as I suspect she would be subject to criminal investigation if they were public but she was rambling on about how criminal immigrants were taking over the country and only Yaxley-Lennon was telling the truth. His litany of criminal convictions were all a put up job and she believed every vile lie he posts. Mad as a box of frogs yet there are still those who believe she was badly treated on here....

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: The Sandman
Date: 28 Oct 24 - 03:59 PM

Lizzie Cornish posts are still visible on facebook.
I am pleased YAXLEY is behind bars

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Oct 24 - 08:38 PM

You need to use an alternate FB account that she hasn't thought of and blocked if you want to see her ranting (I was blocked years ago, but after Dave pointed this out a while back I tracked her down using another account). Look in the dictionary for a definition of "wacko" and there is a photo of Lizzie. She really gives left-leaning politics a bad name.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Oct 24 - 03:37 AM

I can see her FB rantings, although why anyone would want to I really can’t imagine - I only looked out of inquisitiveness. Nothing’s changed.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 29 Oct 24 - 04:57 AM

Keir Starmer, heir to Blair
Mike Amesbury, heir to Prescott

Details in Sky News

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Oct 24 - 05:19 AM

Careful, Nigel. People in glass-houses shouldn’t throw stones, and there are plenty of examples of thoroughly bad lots amongst the mob that you’re daft enough to support - two of the worst are currently vying for the boss’s job.

To paraphrase the Good Book - “Let he whose party is without sin…”

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: The Sandman
Date: 29 Oct 24 - 05:33 AM

from bbc news
In July 2023, a 56-year-old man was convicted of stalking and harassing the MP at his constituency office and in Frodsham town centre.

The court heard the offender had stared through the office glass, asked guards about their level of security, and followed and confronted Amesbury on several occasions.

At the time, Amesbury said it had resulted in him feeling "that little bit more anxious".

Listen to the best of BBC Radio Merseyside on Sounds and follow BBC Merseyside on Facebook, X, and Instagram. You can also send story ideas to [e-mail] and via Whatsapp to 0808 100 2230.quote


At this point in time, we do not know if this is the same man, neither do we know how the MP was threatened.
What we do know is this Helen Joanne Cox (née Leadbeater; 22 June 1974 – 16 June 2016) was a British politician who served as Member of Parliament (MP) for Batley and Spen from May 2015 until her murder in June 2016. She was a member of the Labour Party.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 29 Oct 24 - 07:22 AM

To paraphrase the Good Book - “Let he whose party is without sin…”

Oh good. does that mean you'll stop carping on about the Conservative Party?

No?

I thought not.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Oct 24 - 08:19 AM

Well, for once, you seem to have got the point. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Oct 24 - 08:22 AM

…although the Labour Party have a very long way to fall before they plumb the depths your bunch of crooks and scrotes have sunk to over the past 14 years. But I don’t expect a Tory Fan-boi to acknowledge that fact.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: The Sandman
Date: 29 Oct 24 - 12:12 PM

He could have a future career in a boxing ring.a good way or not a good way to deal with STALKERS? a good way to deal with bullies, any opinions
Dave the gnome what is your opinion on bullies, what is your opinion on stalkers, backwoodsman

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Oct 24 - 12:22 PM

Don't like any of them, Dick, but to bring the topic back to politics, Members of Parliament in particular should never bully anyone. Nor should they be subject to stalking or intimidation for doing the job they were elected to do. If the bloke who was punched was Amesbury's stalker, he should have been stopped but Amesbury himself was wrong to take the law into his own hands.

Nigel, you were quite right to call this out and no amount of whataboutery excuses Amesbury's behaviour. Likewise, no amount of 'what about Labour?' excuses the antics of the Tories over the last few years. Whether more Tory wrongdoing is called out is because they do a lot more wrong or whether it is because the members on here are more left leaning is another matter.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: The Sandman
Date: 29 Oct 24 - 04:27 PM

whether it was right or wrong, and until i know what his provoker actually said, i will assume it was wrong it was a mighty left hook.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Oct 24 - 05:30 PM

Maybe the first blow could have been preemptive self defence but I cannot think of a justification to carry on punching and kicking when the guy was on the deck

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: The Sandman
Date: 30 Oct 24 - 04:25 AM

Better to wait until all the facts have come out. .yes you are right about kicking him and punching on the ground

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Thompson
Date: 30 Oct 24 - 04:58 PM

I see Robert Jenrick is saying that colonised nations should be grateful for all the civilisation brought to them by colonisers. Sounds really great! Maybe some of England's former colonies could return the favour - say, India could have London, Pakistan could take Kent, Ireland might like to hold on to, say, Devon and Cornwall (source of some of the most notable kindly colonisers like Raleigh and Drake) for a few hundred years?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 31 Oct 24 - 05:12 AM

Ian Dunt’s excellent piece In the i Newspaper about yesterday’s first Labour budget. I agree with him, and so so the IMF.

And wasn’t it wonderful to see Fishy Rishi losing his shit because he knew their greedy, self-servative ideology had just been shoved down the Tories’ throats…

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 31 Oct 24 - 10:41 AM

I cannot see the i article without paying :-(

Any chance of a synopsis?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 31 Oct 24 - 12:00 PM

Dave the Gnome: Yes, I only got as far as the headline before being asked to pay:
Want to understand how good this Budget is? Just look at Sunak’s shimmering rage

Does this mean that if Sunak had not objected, or had a laid back response, it would be proclaimed a bad budget? Is someone's only view of the budget based on whether it infuriates the opposition?
This seems no reasonable way to run a country (although not quite so bad as ladies in lakes handing out swords!)

As to your earlier comment but I cannot think of a justification to carry on punching and kicking when the guy was on the deck
It was Terry Pratchett (in Guards Guards) who wrote:
"“Corporal Nobbs,’ he rasped, ‘why are you kicking people when they’re down?’
‘Safest way, sir,’ said Nobby.”"

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 31 Oct 24 - 12:08 PM

”Does this mean that if Sunak had not objected, or had a laid back response, it would be proclaimed a bad budget? Is someone's only view of the budget based on whether it infuriates the opposition?”

You do yourself a great dis-service when your only response is to pretend to be thick Nigel. Please don’t, we know you’re not really that stupid.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 31 Oct 24 - 12:24 PM

…and I’m pretty sure Ian Dunt meant ‘simmering rage’, not ‘shimmering’.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 31 Oct 24 - 12:29 PM

”I cannot see the i article without paying :-(“

That’s strange, Dave - I didn’t have to pay and I could see the whole thing. Are you sure it’s not just a case of registering FOC to read their on-line articles?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 31 Oct 24 - 12:53 PM

It said that I had reached my limit of free articles

Yes, Nigel, I think he had taken a leaf out of Nobby's policing manual :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Thompson
Date: 01 Nov 24 - 06:09 PM

And so it begins.
In relation to paywalls, if you wait a few days a lot of things will appear on the Wayback Machine.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Nov 24 - 10:42 AM

So Kemi Badenoch is the new Tory leader. They haven’t learned a thing, have they?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: DaveRo
Date: 02 Nov 24 - 02:26 PM

Thompson wrote: And so it begins.

Bookmark my Simple linkifier to avoid breaking long links.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Rain Dog
Date: 02 Nov 24 - 03:58 PM

"So Kemi Badenoch is the new Tory leader. They haven’t learned a thing, have they?"

Well it was not much of a choice was it?
But.
They decided to elect a female leader.
They decided to elect a non white leader.
Perhaps some other parties might take notice.

On another matter, I think it was mentioned that 131,000 members had a vote.

The vast majority of people here in the UK are not members of any political party. Come any election, we rely on the various parties to put up candidates to enable us to choose the least worst options. All the parties put forward their policies but how many have canvassed the opinions of the general public?

Over the years I have got fed up with all governments claiming to have a 'mandate' to inflict their policies on all of us. They might have a majority of seats but the fact remains that the majority of people did not vote for that party.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Thompson
Date: 02 Nov 24 - 04:15 PM

Bookmark my Simple linkifier to avoid breaking long links.
Is this the one that appears below the reply field ("Make a link ("blue clicky")? Because that's what I use normally.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Nov 24 - 05:57 PM

Thompson, the Simple Linkifier that DaveRo wrote is ‘cleverer’ than the one you mentioned above - I use DaveRo’s script all the time and it does indeed take care of long links. I’ve linked to it below, and I suggest you save it as a Favourite…

https://revad.github.io/linkifier.html

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Thompson
Date: 02 Nov 24 - 06:30 PM

Thanks, Backwoodsman, have done so.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Nov 24 - 02:01 AM

An interesting piece from Chris Mason, BBC Political Editor, suggesting that all is not well for the Tories under their new leader, Kemi Badenough (oops, sorry - Badenoch). Judging by the few shadow-ministers she’s already appointed, it looks very much like the same old, same old - Jenrick, Patel, Stride, yadda yadda. Not exactly inspiring stuff so far…

Chris Mason: Not exactly perfect harmony for Tories

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Thompson
Date: 05 Nov 24 - 04:37 AM

Performative patriotism: England and its month-long poppyfest.
(As far as I know, other countries whose soldiers slaughtered and were slaughtered don't wear an equivalent. French prime ministers wear the cornflower, but only on the day at ceremonies of rememberance.)

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Nov 24 - 04:57 AM

They wear the poppy in Canada - my BIL is currently out selling them every day.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Nov 24 - 05:00 AM

And you’re an intelligent being, Thomo - I’m sure you’re perfectly aware that wearing the poppy has little to do with ‘patriotism’ and everything to do with Remembrance of those on all sides who died during The Great War, and all wars since.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 05 Nov 24 - 05:33 AM

Remembrance of those on all sides who died during The Great War, and all wars since.
And of the survivors whose day to day care needs the support of the Earl Haig Fund, for which poppy sales is a major contributor.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Thompson
Date: 05 Nov 24 - 06:21 AM

I wonder is it really remembrance of those on all sides… surely if it were, the money collected from the sales would go to the survivors on all sides?
I've nothing against people wearing a poppy if they want - though preferably only on 11 November - what I can't stand is the performative requirement of it on UK TV stations, etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Nov 24 - 06:47 AM

Are you resident in the UK?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Nov 24 - 06:49 AM

”And of the survivors whose day to day care needs the support of the Earl Haig Fund, for which poppy sales is a major contributor.”

Spot on, Nigel.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Nov 24 - 06:59 AM

Badenough has appointed the weasel, Chris Philp, as Home Secretary. More barrel-bottom-scraping…

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Thompson
Date: 05 Nov 24 - 07:01 AM

Not resident in the UK.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Nov 24 - 07:28 AM

So what we do for Remembrance in the UK, and how our TV Channels choose to present Remembrance, isn’t really your business then, is it?

If you don’t like our TV Presentations, why not stick to Irish TV?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Thompson
Date: 05 Nov 24 - 08:08 AM

It's a local custom for local people, and I'm not local, of course.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Raggytash
Date: 05 Nov 24 - 08:42 AM

Speaking from my own personal experience, of people I meet with very few even consider that combatants from other nations should be included in the events on Armistice day. Or even think that people from other nations died.

This is clearly evidenced by the recent documentary
https://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-soldiers-that-saved-britain

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Nov 24 - 10:07 AM

That's their problem, Raggy. AFAIC it's all those whose lives were taken, irrespective of what 'side' they belonged to. A life is a life, and dead men aren't an 'enemy' to anyone.

I'm pretty sure the RBL agree with me, but I'll check that when I get home.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Nov 24 - 10:53 AM

So, according to the British Legion, it is to ”Unite across faiths, cultures and backgrounds to remember the service and sacrifice of the Armed Forces community from United Kingdom and the Commonwealth. We will remember them.”

Not quite as I thought, but far more than simple ‘patriotism’, and far, far deeper.