BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: GUEST, Richard Bridge (the computer is complex)
Date: 21 Nov 10 - 04:50 PM

Jim - your banks (and indeed ours) are already under the control of crooks and incompetents. The change could only be for the better.

I am amazed to see that I am close to agreeing with the Vulcan (John Redwood) about the unwisdom of the UK snatching back £2.5 billion from the poor to "lend" up to £7 billion to Southern Ireland when we don't know if it will be paid back.

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Nov 10 - 05:55 PM

".... to "lend" up to £7 billion to Southern Ireland when we don't know if it will be paid back. "
I take it you don't accept the offer as investment, but just mindless altruism on the part of capitalism then Richard?
You must really have thought it through.
Your "we don't know if it will be paid back" indicates that you seem to believe that 'we' have something to gain or lose in all this, or are you just rallying round the flag?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 21 Nov 10 - 06:20 PM

Investment my arse. It's PLU (people like us) sticking together. Take the money from the poor and subsidise the rich. Osborne and his other aristocratic bumboys take the money from our poor and lend it to your government to give to their aristocratic bumboys - in the vague hope that they will give it back to our aristocratic bumboys. I have nothing against homosexuality as such but in public schools those in charge rape their servants, and mostly the servants are grateful.

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Nov 10 - 02:47 AM

"Take the money from the poor and subsidise the rich."
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news Richard, but that's the way it has always been. Taking money from the poor to subsidise the rich is what capitalism does - world investment through loans and foreign aid is just a tool in the system's toolbag.
That is a different debate altogether.
Some time ago you accused Akenaton of racism, yet your attutude to the Irish, not just on this thread, but elsewhere, smacks of that same racism.
Are you suggesting that Britain should give no foreign aid, or make no loans to any country? So far as I recall, it is just the Irish you have selected for your 'special rendition'.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Nov 10 - 03:22 AM

Jim, you seem to believe that if you label someone, you do not have to counter their arguments.
Richard is no racist, but if he was you should still attack his arguments, not call him names.

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Nov 10 - 06:03 AM

Keith;
Richard's attitude to the Irish is long standing and well noted on this forum.
Please mind your own ******* business and allow him to speak for himself; he's far more capable of doing so than you are.
Go on a sectarian march or something
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Nov 10 - 06:09 AM

I do not have to mind my own business Jim.
We can all express opinions here.
I actually do regard it as my business because in previous debates you have labelled me racist and far right as an excuse not to answer my arguments.
You have even lied, saying I downloaded something which was in fact my own, in order to discredit me.
You did not say you thought I had downloaded, you said you had actually found, and easily found, the almost verbatim source.
A lie.

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 22 Nov 10 - 06:48 AM

Keep it coming, Richard III is showing his true colours in no uncertain style now!

"Bumboy." What a wonderful term of endearment. Even managed the wonderful "I have nothing against homosexuality" rider that repugnant homophobes always tag onto their ludicrous comments.

And then to say how much he admires Redwood (!)

See? You can take the solicitor out of his padded leather chair but you can't etc etc etc...

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: mikesamwild
Date: 22 Nov 10 - 06:48 AM

I just heard that Steve Jobs will bale the country out and rebrand it as iLand.

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 22 Nov 10 - 08:05 AM

Ironic, at one moment in history England causes the potato famine in Ireland, then incarcerate innocent people later and now they want to subsidise Ireland, hmmm.

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: mikesamwild
Date: 22 Nov 10 - 08:24 AM

What's in it for a capitalist country like UK? (not just England!)

Will 'we' demand the Irish banks etc etc if Ireland defaults. Re-unification by economics!

Bernard Ingrams , Mrs Thatcher's Press Secretary, used to extol the benfits of 'A good dose of colonial administration ' for failed states.


I remember that old Fenian song 'Whack fol the diddle' my Dad used to sing

'When we were savage , rough and wild, whack etc
She came as a mother comes to her child, whack etc


The Tories still support the Union.

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: GUEST,keith a of Hertford
Date: 22 Nov 10 - 10:39 AM

You are so wrong.
No one here, not even the Tories, want any part of Ireland in the UK.

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Nov 10 - 01:25 PM

"The Tories still support the Union."
Don't you mean the Conservative and Unionist Party Sam - of course they still support themselves.
"I do not have to mind my own business Jim."
My point was addressed to Richard - nobody else. I have a great deal in common with him politically; his Achilles heel apparently being his views on Ireland (rather similar to those expressed by Keith in the past when he wished that they'd/we'd all go home).
I have expressed my views on Richard's attitude to Ireland and repeat my question to him; are you suggesting that Britain should give no foreign aid, or make no loans to any country, or just Ireland? An answer to this should clear up Richard's stance one way or the other.
Just in case it hasn't made the news elsewhere; it's just been announced on the news here in Ireland that The Green Party are intending to pull out of the coalition and are calling for a general election.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: The Sandman
Date: 22 Nov 10 - 01:30 PM

Jim, thanks for that info they[the greens] are finished as is fianna fail. but they have left their mess to be cleared up by others who will be handicapped by a staight jacket imposed by the IMF.

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 22 Nov 10 - 04:13 PM

Why should the UK taxpayer have to cough up billions (magicked from where?) to save another EU country, who got their referendum and agreed to the integration? We never got a referendum - our government is implementing an austerity package, cutting back on billions, thanks to Labour's profligacy, and we shall have to suffer enormously because of this, without the Irish burden on top.

For the life of me I don't understand why half of you even bother replying to Carroll. It's hard to understand what he is saying while his trousers are still up.

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: GUEST,keith a
Date: 22 Nov 10 - 04:37 PM

Jim you have just repeated that disgusting lie about me.
"(rather similar to those expressed by Keith in the past when he wished that they'd/we'd all go home)."

Here again is your post I was replying to.
thread.cfm?threadid=130131#2932799
"...the six counties were decided on and their annexation was carried through...... to decide whether the annexation was valid or not....You are still arguing for the status quo, "

We were discussing NI within UK NOT Irish people in Britain.

So when I replied next post
"Arguing for the staus quo?
Wrong again.
Like all my countrymen, I would love to be rid of the lot of you."
I was referring to NI as part of the UK, not the diaspora.

To pretend to believe otherwise and persuade others to believe it is just wilfull lying in the hope of discrediting someone who disagrees with you.

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Nov 10 - 08:11 PM

If Ireland could think outside the box like the too big to fail American banks, Ireland would take the bail out money and use it to acquire Scotland.

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Nov 10 - 04:17 AM

The Tories dropped the Unionist part of their name years ago.
They only acquired it by merging with the Liberal And Unionist party in 1912.
The Tories policy on the Union in recent decades has been to oppose devolution in Scotland and Wales, but to support it in NI.
No one in Britain wants any part of Ireland in the Union, apart from a few headbangers in the West of Scotland.
Britain has a generous foreign aid budget, but that is fully taken up.
This loan is not foreign aid.
We are heavily in debt ourselves and have to borrow the money to lend to Ireland, increasing our own debt.
Our leaders tell us it is in our interest.
We must hope they are right.

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser)
Date: 23 Nov 10 - 05:42 AM

I had a thought which may seem a bit daft but bear with me. If the Irish state were a business it would be insolvent now and would probably have been placed in receivership or administration.

The Irish political system and structures appear to have been completely discredited, not least in the eyes of the people of Ireland. It seems the sensible thing would be to let the EU sort out the mess without the IMF by having the EU take direct control of the running of the country in return for helping restructure the finances of the state.

This would involve a number of measures: bringing Irish corporation tax into line with other European countries (and ensuring those taxes were collected and enough people were employed to do the job), stopping the tax breaks that rich foreign celebrities get simply by buying property in Ireland, and nationalising the Irish banks and bringing them under the direct control of the European Central Bank. That's just for starters.

A lot of people would say this would be 'undemocratic' and a 'surrender of Irish sovereignty' but at the moment there is no Irish sovereignty. This sort of scheme would need to have a fixed time limit - maybe 5 or 6 years. Any longer and you remove the urgency of restructuring the State.

This could also give Irish voters a chance to re-align themselves politically - if you take power away from Fianna Fail and Fine Gael they'll have to earn it back when the time comes (as would the Irish Labour Party, the Greens and Sinn Fein). The alternative would be for Irish sovereignty to continue to ebb away uncontrollably to the IMF, the ECB and the City of London.

It would obviously be a big step and everyone would probably hate it - mind you, at least that would create some kind of concensus and create the space for a real debate on what sort of society Ireland wants to be in the future. Much of the positive development in Ireland during the 90s was funded by Europe anyway as part of the European social democratic tradition of Keynesian social investment. It was only when Irish politicians and capitalists decided they had an opportunity to behave like US-style robber barons that it all started to go to hell in a handbasket.

It's clear that Westminster-style 'Democracy' has failed in Ireland. The state and economy needs fixing and there doesn't seem to be any political party or faction in Ireland with any idea how to handle the present mess. What's been good in Irish development since the 80s has come from the European social democratic tradition. What's bad has come from the American tradition of unfettered capitalism (as in the UK). Ireland needs to take a good, hard, unsentimental look at what has worked and what hasn't and choose accordingly - while it still has a choice.

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Nov 10 - 06:57 AM

"The Tories dropped the Unionist part of their name years ago."
keith you continually try and mislead people with weasel words
so why in the last election did they have an electoral pact with unionists
The Ulster Unionist Party last night agreed to form an electoral pact with the Conservatives.

The deal will initially see the parties run on a joint ticket in Westminster and European elections in Northern Ireland.

Senior UUP officials backed the political alliance during a meeting of the party's executive in Belfast.

Representatives from both parties will now form a joint committee to work out an electoral strategy ahead of new year's European poll.

The parties have still to decide whether the partnership will extend to Assembly and local council elections in the region.

A UUP spokesman said: "The Executive Committee of the UUP has overwhelmingly endorsed the creation of a Conservative and Ulster Unionist Joint Committee to oversee and facilitate co-operation between both parties."

He said the joint committee would: "bring forward proposals on manifesto commitments and the branding of candidates, ensuring that the heritage and appeal of both parties are respected and that the popular appeal to the whole Northern Ireland electorate is maximised."

The committee will produce a report at the end of January.

The UUP spokesman said the arrangement would operate on the basis of consensus between the parties.

The Tories and UUP had been involved in detailed discussions since July when leaders David Cameron and Sir Reg Empey declared hopes of launching a new political movement in the region.

The 80-strong gathering of executive members voted in the favour of the deal, which re-establishes historic links between the parties.

The long-standing association was broken in 1985 when unionists objected to Margaret Thatcher's decision to sign the Anglo Irish Agreement, which gave the Republic of Ireland an advisory role in the governance of Northern Ireland.

The Conservative Party already organises in Northern Ireland, but has been unable to make any political breakthrough.

The UUP has, meanwhile, lost ground to the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) which has replaced it as the largest party in Northern Ireland.

Mr Cameron and Sir Reg hope a pact could extend Tory influence to a part of the UK where it is currently a minority voice, as well as allowing Northern Ireland voters to have a link to national politics.

The Conservatives have already said an alliance could see an Ulster Unionist handed a seat in any future Tory government.

When the two party leaders announced their hopes of building a new political movement, they formed a working group made up of Conservative and UUP members to discuss options.

At the time Mr Cameron said: "The Conservative Party stands in every part of the United Kingdom. We're the only party that does.

"In a lot of elections we have shrunk back to rather an English base... I'd like to see us establish a new political force in Northern Ireland that is both Conservative and Unionist, that can say to people, look, get beyond the old politics of constitution or orange or green.

"Let's actually have a national political party that can stand up for people on all of the issues they care about."

Ulster Unionists hope close co-operation with the Tories could help revive their fortunes.

Their desire to form an alliance with a bigger UK party is also a challenge to moves by nationalists and republicans to deliver Irish unity.

Sinn Fein already campaigns on an all-Ireland basis and has elected representatives on both sides of the Irish border.

The nationalist SDLP has also sought in recent years to form an alliance with one of the Irish Republic's larger parties, though hopes for a tie-in with the lead party of Government, Fianna Fail, have been interrupted by the economic crises dominating politics.

Last night's decision now paves the way for Mr Cameron to attend the UUP annual conference next month.

However, Democratic Unionist MP David Simpson said the UUP risked splitting the unionist vote if it contested all Westminster seats as part of the pact.

He said a DUP/UUP alliance could oust sitting nationalist and republican MPs in South Belfast and Fermanagh/South-Tyrone.

"The position of the Tory leader could not be more clear," said Mr Simpson.

"He has said that he wants to fight every single Westminster seat in Northern Ireland come the next Westminster election."

Mr Simpson added: "The choice for Sir Reg is very stark indeed. He can either go with Cameron and see four more years of nationalism ensconced in Fermanagh and South Tyrone and South Belfast or he can work with other unionists to see unionism increase its presence in Westminster."


Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ulster-unionist-party-to-form-electoral-pact-with-tories-14071528.html#ixzz166ct00fG

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Nov 10 - 07:27 AM

Keith - you said what you said, at least twice, and a lot more beside.
You described those who suggested that the only way to bring lasting peace was through a United Irelnd as "fascists".
You have strongly supported belligerantly militant sectarian marches as 'a bit of fun' and the violence they incurred as 'skirmishes' (this included your shamefully laying the blame for three nights rioting caused by this year's marches on children).
Anybody slightly interested in your redneck ideas are at liberty to access them on the relevant threads.
Scouser;
Not so daft; Ireland has benefited greatly from Europe; the quality of life here has visibly improved over the last twenty years - making the men in John Bull suits across the water look quaintly silly.
Not to say that I've stopped believing The European Union to be a tactic on the part of capitalism to gather its forces under one umbrella, but if we're stuck with it, let's use it for the general good.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Nov 10 - 07:54 AM

Jim- I said what I said once, and it was about Britain not wanting Ireland in the Union.
I described as "fascist" anyone who thought the North should be forced into a United Ireland against the will of the people.
"Bit of fun" is a false quote. I never said it.
I do not and have never supported " belligerantly militant sectarian marches "
I argued that as the marches are overwhelmingly trouble free it is illiberal to seek to ban them.
I say you lie about me.
You can give no link to support any of those lies.

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Nov 10 - 08:10 AM

Some links to my posts about my opinion of Irelnd and the Irish.
6th June 06
I love Ireland and all things Irish.
28th July 06
As I have said before, I love Ireland and all things Irish.
(except paramilitary violence)
18th August 2010
My daughter in law is Irish Catholic, my nephew's wife is Irish Protestant.
Some on both sides would not regard the latter as Irish. Referring to that does not make me a stupid little man, though I am not very tall.

What I said about the Irish is indeed on record.
I have said I love Ireland and all things Irish.
I have said I have yet to meet an Irish person I have not liked.
But I have also said I would like all parts out of UK.
I thought that you wanted that too Jim.

You say again that I support the parades.
Not true. They are of no consequence to me.
I just asked what you were all raging about.
Where was the harm?
All you can say is they are "provocative".

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Nov 10 - 08:18 AM

18th August 2010
I have loved Ireland since I walked and camped in the Wicklows aged 15 in 1965.
I have returned many, many times North and South.
I may have been fortunate, but I have yet to meet an Irish person I have not liked and got on with.
One of my boys married a Catholic Irish girl and they have just presented me with my first grandson.
A nephew is married to a protestant Irish girl.

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Nov 10 - 11:45 AM

Keith
"...against the will of the people."
Ireland was partitioned in 1922 at the point of the gun, against the wishes of the vast majority of the Irish people. The partitioning was intended to be temporary and a Civil War was fought in the 26 counties on the issue, the Pro-Treaty section arguing that its temporary nature meant that Ireland would eventually be re-united. The 'temporary' State will shortly be celebrating its 90th aniversery.
The border was drawn deliberately on sectarian lines, giving a two thirds majority to one section of the population of the new six county state on a sectarian basis; the voting system was altered to give that majority sole charge of running the state, in essence, disinfranchising the minority third - far nearer 'fascism' than anything I've ever suggested.
GSS has provided enough examples of the Conservative Party's continued collusion in all this right up to the present day.
The intervening period since partition has been filled with unrest, violence and death both in Ireland and on mainland Britain; this being constantly fuelled by the same aggressively sectarian marches you have persistantly supported (see 'Have a Glorious 12th July' thread) - as I said, never put in writing anything you might want to disassociated yourself from at a later date.
In the light of all this, your professed love of Ireland rings about as true as the "Some of my best friends are black, or Jewish, or Asian" that I have been listening to all my life.
The relevance to this particular thread is that, following the troubles in the 60s, 70s and 80s, the warring parties were all but bombed to the conference table where some progress was made towards power sharing, if not re-unification. In the light of recent events, all that now stands to be lost as, inevitably, recession always leads to different sections of the population grouping with 'their own kind' in defence of their jobs and way of life - I saw it often enough on the docks in Liverpool, with firms only employing Protestants or Catholics during lean times.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: GUEST,keith
Date: 23 Nov 10 - 11:55 AM

Let us discuss all that historical stuff Jim, but not in this thread obviously.
For now, I have given plenty of links, with more in store, that give the lie to your smearing me as a redkneck and racist.
Can you put up one post of mine to support your smears?
No, because it is all lies.
You lie to prop up your empty arguments.

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 23 Nov 10 - 02:19 PM

In case anybody is still interested in the topic of this thread, it was reported on BBC Breakfast News today that Mainland Britain has a trade surplus situation, vis-a-vis Eire, of approximately £7 billion per annum, so, far from taking money from our poor to subsidise the Irish economy, it would appear that we are returning this year's profits as a loan, in order to protect the profits of future years, in the full expectation that this will also enable the repayment of the loan in due course.

Seems a reasonable bargain to me.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Nov 10 - 02:20 PM

"Can you put up one post of mine to support your smears?"
I've put up the title of a whole thread where you persistantly supported sectarian marches and wrote off the Belfast riots as skirmishes or naughty children - I wouldn't know where to begin, I'm so spoilt for choice - it can be accessed by anybody interested though.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Nov 10 - 02:22 PM

Cross posted - thanks for that Don.
Sorry about thread drift - it stops here as far as I'm concerned.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: Joe Offer
Date: 23 Nov 10 - 04:16 PM

Keith, if you'd like to post to this thread, please log in. And please refrain from calling people liars.

-Joe Offer, Forum Moderator-

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Nov 10 - 04:50 PM

What are we to call liars then?

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: GUEST,^&*
Date: 23 Nov 10 - 04:56 PM

Please refrain from calling people liars.
What are we to call liars then?

People. ;>)

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Nov 10 - 04:58 PM

:0)

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Nov 10 - 06:39 PM

Jim, you put up the title of the marches thread.
I argued that as Sinn fein stated that they were overwhelmingly trouble free, and as local people, the priest and the local Sinn Fein rep said that the Belfast trouble was organised by RIRA and caused by kids and outsiders, that they might be allowed to continue.
Redneck Jim?
Racist Jim?
If you can find a post of mine in that thread or anywhere else to justify that, put it up and I am gone for good.
But you can not.
There are no such posts.
You tell untruths about me. (Is that OK Joe? And is it OK for Jim to call me redneck racist?)
Joe, he said he found "almost verbatim" on line something I posted as mine.
He did not and could not produce it though.
Would that be a lie perhaps?

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: Joe Offer
Date: 23 Nov 10 - 09:39 PM

Very simple, Keith. Point to (or quote) the statement in question, and then refute it. Address the statement, not the person.

And no, it's not right for anyone to call you a "redneck racist" or any other insulting name. I don't see either in this thread, although he did characterize your ideas as "redneck." If you have a complaint, tell me the name of the thread, the name of the poster, and the date and time of the post.
Thank you.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser)
Date: 24 Nov 10 - 01:41 AM

I don't see what any of this has got to do with Ireland.

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Nov 10 - 02:10 AM

Sorry Chris, but I could not let this smearing just pass.

Bloody Sunday thread. 12thJuly 2010, 2.13AM Jim
"I had very little problem in finding the net article that you cut-and-pasted your 'analysis' (almost verbatim) from - doesn't count as an original thought I'm afraid."

I refute that (again).
It is a lie.

This thread 19th Nov. 9.54 AM Jim claims I wanted Irish people to go back to Ireland.
I refute that.
I posted the actual post and Jim's it was replying to.
It is a lie.

This thread 22nd Nov. 2.47 AM Jim says Richard's posts "smacks of racism" and at 1.25 PM Jim repeated the "Irish go home" lie and likened my posts to Richard's racist posts.

I refute that any post of mine smacked of anti Irish racism, and ask for the best example to be produced.

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Nov 10 - 03:02 AM

This has gone too far, once again; it should have been left where it started way on the three Irish threads where Keith and I clashed on the Irish question in the past.
As far as my disputes with him are concerned - it finishes here, but that does not mean I will no longer involve myself with topics on Ireland; just that I will leave Keith to his own ideas and ask that he leaves me to mine - it would help if he did not address his postings directly at me.
I apologise to all and hope that our arguing has not naused up yet another thread - it really will not happen again as far as I'm concerned - on this, or any other question.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Nov 10 - 03:10 AM

So no withdrawing or even acknowledging that months old lie.
No examples to justify describing my views as racist or redneck.
Just terms you find it OK to smear with but never feel any need to justify.
Despicable.

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: mikesamwild
Date: 24 Nov 10 - 07:34 AM

If Gerry Adams does want to stand as a Sinn Fein candidate in the South has a Marxist based party a good chance of ultimately unifying Ireland ( as James Connolly envisaged?)The rest are discredited.

Without a church link could Ireland become truly non-sectarian, and people with a common class interest be brought together?

We live in interesting times.

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Nov 10 - 01:56 PM

There are rumblings against both Labour and the Greens over their past associations with FF and FG, and recently The Labour Party scored a massive own goal by giving their support to the 'killing for pleasure' (hunting) mob, which made us hesitate before joining the party.
SF seems to be gathering suppport by default from the disillusionment that has now set in.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser)
Date: 25 Nov 10 - 01:17 PM

This is the sort of situation that would normally be expected to lead to a military coup if the van was only working properly.

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Nov 10 - 02:07 PM

"This is the sort of situation that would normally be expected to lead to a military coup"
Don't speak too soon; we haven't had the election yet, and there's no knowing how FF will react if/when they don't win.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 Nov 10 - 04:50 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWQ6LXhKmaE&feature=player_embedded

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: Chris B (Born Again Scouser)
Date: 26 Nov 10 - 05:05 AM

There's a feature on the BBC Radio 4 'Woman's Hour' programme about Irish emigration at the moment. If you can't listen now you can probably get it on the BBC Iplayer.

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Nov 10 - 01:36 PM

It's just been announced that Sinn Fein has almost certainly won the Donegal by-election - shape of things to come??.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 27 Nov 10 - 03:15 AM

Protests planned for Dublin city centre today, the Garda Síochána lead the way when it comes to dealing effectively with public disorder, hope our police force watch and learn.

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Nov 10 - 03:23 AM

"....hope our police force watch and learn."
They don't need to Richie; they took their lessons from Maggie during the miner's strike; she in turn took her inspiration from her buddy, (and your's, no doubt) General Pinochet. Wonder if they've penciled in Wembly Stadium for future bookings!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 27 Nov 10 - 04:37 AM

No idea about Wembly Stadium, are you sure it's not Croke Park ? that anniversary was held last weekend the 21st.

Subject: RE: BS: Subsidy to Ireland to increase UK deficit
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 27 Nov 10 - 05:50 AM

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