BS: Obama, religious bigot?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama, religious bigot?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 20 Apr 11 - 03:42 AM

Obama's opposition to gay marriage is not susceptible of rational debate - because it is rooted in "faith".



Now consider the meaning of the word "bigot" as revealed by the Complete Oxford Dictionary.

Meaning 1b - a superstitious adherent of religion.

Meaning 2. A person obstinately and unreasonably wedded to a particular religious creed, opinion, or ritual.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama, religious bigot?
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Apr 11 - 11:23 AM

From Wiki: "A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one exhibiting intolerance, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs."

hmmmm. Describes serveral people on here, dunnit.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama, religious bigot?
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Apr 11 - 11:46 AM

I've often wondered what the stuffing was in a true stuffed shirt...........Apparently, and at least in this case....

Not only THIS case, Spaw - you're forgetting The Simple Seeker Truth.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama, religious bigot?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 20 Apr 11 - 11:57 AM

I'll take the OED over wiki any day.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama, religious bigot?
From: Amos
Date: 20 Apr 11 - 12:12 PM

The point is, RIchard, that he is not being intolerant--he is supporting an egalitarian approach even though it over-rides his personal opinion. Greater tolerance hath no man. His opinions are his own business and not grounds for charges of bigotry.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Obama, religious bigot?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Apr 11 - 01:09 PM

No, McGrath that is not true because not all countries give civil partnerships the same rights as married couples.

Then that's where the problem lies, not in a dispute about whether the meaning of a word need to be changed or not.

A civil partnership between two men, or two women, is analogous to a marriage between a woman and a man, but the word "marriage" has till now referred to the latter and not to the former. Arguments about whether this usage should change is a linguistic argument, comparable to arguments as to whether the word "disinterested" can properly be used to mean "uninterested".

As with other linguistic arguments, the decision rests on actual usage. Once the actual usage changes, the dictionary meaning falls in line. (Look up "gay" in a modern dictionary, for example.)

Subject: RE: BS: Obama, religious bigot?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Apr 11 - 02:03 PM

Ebbie: "From Wiki: "A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one exhibiting intolerance, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs."

hmmmm. Describes serveral people on here, dunnit."


An expert on the subject!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Obama, religious bigot?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 20 Apr 11 - 06:02 PM

Is he, Amos? What I heard suggested otherwise.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama, religious bigot?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 21 Apr 11 - 07:04 AM

You learn all sorts of things by reading Mudcat threads.

On another recent thread i've learned that Richard doesn't seem to care for people who are "loud mouthed (sic) obnoxious, tasteless and violent".

Perhaps he should look in the mirror.

Identikit: 10 Jan 2008 5:43 PM

Thread started by Mr. Bridge.

"Obama: coconut.   White on the inside...."    (I'm sorry I misquoted earlier.   The word he uses is "coconut", not "oreo"

But it's interesting that Barack Obama appears not to be black enough for Richard's taste.

First I thought Mr. Bridge was showing that he was a (genteel) racist.

But perhaps he is only bidding to be a "chav".

Obnoxious?    Check.    Tasteless?.    Check.

Loudmouthed?    Well on Mudcat the way to prove this, it would seem would be to start pointless, aggressive threads on extremely questionable topics.    Like this current thread, for instance. As opposed to "Cuba:   Socialist Paradise", for instance, which deals with a legitimate topic here.

At any rate, Mr. Bridge, having started 2 threads which fit the above criteria (that I know of) fits that requirement also.

Fascinating that in both threads he seeks to destroy the reputation of a black man.    Hence the suspicion of "genteel" racism.

Violent?   Who knows?   Not as far as we've seen so far.

But 3 out of 4 ain't bad.

Perhaps he's 3/4 of a ''chav".

Or perhaps he just has no sense of judgment.   He can't help expressing himself in crass and clumsy ways.

I trust he shows better judgment with his clients. Otherwise he would have none.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama, religious bigot?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 21 Apr 11 - 07:06 AM

" I've learned"

"it would seem, would"

Subject: RE: BS: Obama, religious bigot?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 21 Apr 11 - 07:14 AM

not "oreo".

Well, on Mudcat

that I know of,

Subject: RE: BS: Obama, religious bigot?
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Apr 11 - 09:51 AM

...people who are "loud mouthed (sic) obnoxious, tasteless and violent". Perhaps he should look in the mirror.

As should you, oh Simple Seeker After Truth.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama, religious bigot?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 21 Apr 11 - 12:01 PM

Why, badgerbaiter, don't you bother to point out that I was on that thread asking whether the characterisations were accurate as sound-bites went?

Oh, you don't do far reasonable or accurate, do you?

Oh, and has it turned out to be accurate?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama, religious bigot?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 21 Apr 11 - 12:25 PM

The premise of this thread is bullshit. Subsequently, what follows . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Obama, religious bigot?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Apr 11 - 04:23 PM

Put it that way, and you'd hope for a crop of flowers...

Subject: RE: BS: Obama, religious bigot?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 21 Apr 11 - 05:45 PM

I think that religious bigotry does enter into the issue. I don't think Obama can be isolated from other teachings in the respective churches in America.

Then there is the matter of degree. Obama is not Fred Phelps or Terry Jones.

There is some justification for a person to say that although what he/she believes personally they are open to other points of view at least in terms of tolerance whether or not he/she agrees with them.

Also, we can allow for some evolution to take place here as well when people begin to understand that there is a physical basis for homosexuality, it is not a "choice", which is being made more clear as science explores this phenomenon.

Obama could change on this issue.

But religion does stand in the way.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama, religious bigot?
From: artbrooks
Date: 21 Apr 11 - 08:17 PM

I think that for Mr. Obama to say that he personally believes that marriage is between opposite genders while, acting as President, directing that Federal lawyers will no longer defend the "Defense of Marriage Act" in court gives a very clear picture of his position on the issue.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama, religious bigot?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 21 Apr 11 - 10:44 PM

Ah, Greg,    what a pleasant surprise to see you here.   And as informative and constructive as always.    I note with interest that you do not contradict my description of the two threads in question. Thanks for the   vote of confidence.



Richard--what you have said is clearly on Mudcat for all to read.   I have given the exact citation for the first thread under discussion.   And the second one speaks for itself.

You have started 2 threads attacking Barack Obama--both on a very questionable basis. Barack Obama, who might possibly be for you an "uppity black man".    He certainly is a successful black man. Perhaps that rankles you.



That Richard is a "genteel" racist is at least as likely as that President Obama is a religious bigot.

I'm sure all readers can judge the likelihood of each proposition.

Richard might at least want to consider some friendly advice:   when you're in a hole, stop digging.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama, religious bigot?
From: goatfell
Date: 22 Apr 11 - 12:25 PM

no he is not?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama, religious bigot?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 Apr 11 - 12:59 PM

Ron Davies: "... He certainly is a successful black man. Perhaps that rankles you..."

Personally, I think he is a shitty President,.....and it has NOTHING to do with his race, creed or co;or!..just his crappy policies..which were NOT pushed to help YOU, or anyone on here, or the American people!
Actions, and results speak louder than words!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Obama, religious bigot?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Apr 11 - 01:00 PM

It's all a bit like arguments as to whether Football should be called Soccer... Except that that doesn't lead to accusations of "bigotry".

Subject: RE: BS: Obama, religious bigot?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 Apr 11 - 01:59 PM

McGrath of Harlow,
The 'bigotry' rap is obsolete, overused and misused. It's just 'old hat' for baseless name calling!

Regards!

GfS