BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: pdq
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 01:35 PM

Er, Benedict Arnold?

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Charley Noble
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 01:47 PM

So many facts, so little time!

You seldom hear of Paul Revere's other great ride. He was placed in charge of artillery for the capture of a half-built British fort in Penobscot Bay. The Rebels assembled an amazingly large fleet of armed ships and transports, some sixty ships in all, and when they arrived off Fort Castine the British commandant was quite ready to surrender but no one bothered to ask. After the Rebels dithered around for two months, a British relief fleet arrived, chased the Rebel ships up the river where most of them were run ashore and burned, or sunk. Paul Revere managed to escape, along with his baggage, and galloped south to Boston. He survived a court martial for cowardice conduct.

Charley Noble, a proud patriot

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 01:49 PM

...you are so full of hatred and jealousy either for her looks or her popularity, that you miss the main issue.

There you go making blanket assumptions. It's her total lack of intelligence with bothers most of us. As far as her popularity goes...it's not. In a recent Bloomburg poll, as well as others, she was disapproved by over 60% of the people polled.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Big Al Whittle (closed)
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 02:42 PM

Time of the season. I can remember folks thinking that Goldwater was scary. They're not scared of Palin, just like they weren't scared of Baby Bush and Reagan.

They aren't repelled. Therefore, i think they will eventually vote for her; first one term, then another.

In time she will considered as one of the greats - and her years in office will be looked back on, as years that were good for America.

If your kids die in Afghanistan, or you get wiped out by a depressive with a legally owned uzi - then its just collateral damage.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 03:02 PM

"It's been suggested that nations that rely on unmanned drones to deal with the enemy shouldn't really make too many comments about cowardice..."

Oh, Kevin, that's snarky. The bravery of the American soldier at the moment is not at question.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 03:14 PM

In a recent Bloomburg poll, as well as others, she was disapproved by over 60% of the people polled.

That's fine as far as it goes, Kat, but the other brain-dead 40% are a bit troubling, to say the least.

God Help America if 40% are that stupid, ignorant & moronic.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Wesley S
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 03:31 PM

Ebbie - I'm guessing that Kevin would prefer that they meet out in front of the Longbranch saloon and shoot it out at 50 paces. Y'know - real man to man stuff.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 03:38 PM

*g*, Wesley. However, Kevin really is not that sort. He just surrendered to a moment of snarky. Right, Kevin?

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 03:46 PM

I'm sure American soldiers are as brave as soldiers generally are, and ready to die if it comes to that. That's what war is about

The cowardice is on the part of politicians who know that dead soldiers are a lot more politically damaging at home than dead foreign civilians. That's what politics is about.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 04:18 PM

Most of us scramble the tale too, or at best know bits of the Longfellow poem.

Revere gave the sexton the lantern signals days before his ride- which was not to the Church. He warned colonists along the route that the British would take in Middlesex County.

He was captured and did warn some British troops that they would encounter danger if they approached Lexington. The troops freed Revere and others they had captured, and went back to warn their superiors.
Probably this was what Palin halfway remembered.

In some parts of the country, the story was not taught. In Santa Fe, we took New Mexico history, which was mostly about the Spanish-Mexican rule, and the Indians. We also had a course in world history.
When I entered university, I found that U.S. history was required, and I had to take it as a make-up course.

I think Palin would make a terrible president- she is ignorant of world cultures, and knows squat about economics.

But faulting her on Revere's Ride is picking on something most people would scramble.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Big Al Whittle (closed)
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 04:23 PM

There was a band called Paul revere and the Raiders

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: GUEST,Songbob
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 04:23 PM

Sarah Palin's 40% favorability rating is a lot higher than the 27% rating most of the right-whingers get -- there's a constant level of support for truly bat-guano-crazy thinking that seldom goes much above or below 27%, for some reason. Palin gets all those votes and a few others, I guess, mostly just low-infomation folks that can't tell her from Tina Fay.

I have decided that the 27% level represents those that Lincoln described:

Some of the People All of the Time.

If you take those "All of the Timers" with enough of the "Some of the Timers," you can win elections (witness the off-year election of 2010). And with the Supreme Court allowing unlimited corporate money to buy media time, etc., we may just get that result.

God help us.

Bob

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Big Al Whittle (closed)
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 04:32 PM

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x56b24_paul-revere-the-raiders-louie-louie_music

God I love that!

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: gnu
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 04:43 PM

Q... bloody amazing. She actually wasn't stunned as me arse?... on that point, of course.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: gnu
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 04:52 PM

Hear, hear McGrath.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: GUEST,999
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 04:53 PM

That woman couldn't teach a rock to play dead.

Someone mentioned she's good looking. PUH-LEEZE. How long ya been in the woods for?

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 04:54 PM

Little Hawk, I am aware of all these myths, but you and a whole bunch of others have an exaggerated idea of the number of people here who actually believe all that.

I was alive and aware during WWII and I followed the news avidly—and I heard of the peripheral stuff about who was or was not a good fighter or a bunch of cowards or whatever.

Please! Do not lecture me on what you think I know or don't know.

####

Greg, Bush and his bully-boys said a helluva lot of stupid things during the time they held sway. And when did "The Simpsons" become the spokespersons for the opinion of the American people?

And Ake, hatred and jealousy for Sarah Palin's looks and popularity!?? I don't think anyone "hates" or is "jealous" of Sarah Palin. Where she draws the flak is that the woman is a total air-head, as is graphically demonstrated every time she opens her mouth. American citizens with an I.Q. over 65 are given to tremble in fear whenever the thought occurs that there is a chance, even a remote one, that she could ever become president!

Let me put it this way:   Since the Japanese earthquake, geologists in the Pacific Northwest where I live have been pointing out that off the Pacific Coast of the United States and western Canada, there is a subduction zone very much like that that caused the Japanese earthquake. They tell us that the last major earthquake (9+ on the Richter Scale) from this fault occurred some 300 years ago, and some geologists are saying that there is a 1 in 3 chance of another such quake within the next 50 years. Such a quake would be a major disaster to several large cities, from Southern California to Vancouver, B. C., including Los Angeles, San Francisco, Portland, and Seattle where I live.

To say the least, the thought of this possibility gives one who lives along this subduction zone a frisson of horror. One doesn't know what sort of things might happen during such an event, but one knows that, whatever might happen, it will be ghastly.

The idea of Sarah Palin becoming president tends to evoke a similar emotional and intellectual response.

Not hatred. Not jealousy.

Fear.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: gnu
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 05:01 PM

999... you don't think she's a babe? Ya need glasses bud. I mean, I don't wanna TALK to her but I would... in a New York minute.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 05:58 PM

Don, I try to avoid "lecturing" you these days as much as possible, because it merely provokes endless back-and-forth responses and counter-responses which waste part of your life and part of mine in an utterly futile manner, and I can't see any advantage in it. ;-) We are both most eager that the other should not misunderstand us or assume that they know what we are thinking....but we have no way of arranging it, I'm afraid. I know this from long (and somewhat bitter) experience.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Wesley S
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 05:58 PM

The true story of Israel Bissel and Paul Revere - from an HBO special.



Robert Wuhls "Assume the position"

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 06:28 PM

Greg, Bush and his bully-boys said a helluva lot of stupid things during the time they held sway. And when did "The Simpsons" become the spokespersons for the opinion of the American people?

When the Simpsons idiocy was embraced by the BuShites and a substantial segment of the Boobocracy,vide the "freedom fries" idiocy, q.v.

Do read the article - even tho its Blog-O-Paedia, its pretty close to the truth.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: artbrooks
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 08:15 PM

Personally, I've never seen the Simpsons and I wouldn't accept an unattributed Wiki article as proof of anything. Did anyplace anywhere ever rename french fries as 'freedom fries"?

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 08:18 PM

Warnin' those doggone british with the bells and guns and such that by golly they weren't gonna take away our freedoms. Ridin that horse through the villages and so forth and seein those lamplights and the bells and things and warnin those dang redcoats that, goldarnit, we just weren't gonna give up our freedoms and guns and bells and horses and lamps and stuff.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 08:40 PM

"Through all our history, to the last,
In the hour of darkness and peril and need,
The people will waken and listen to hear
The hurrying hoof-beats of that steed,
And the midnight message of Paul Revere."
                           - Longfellow
as again he rides with message clear,
though the British our faithful friends now be,
that the Foe we now face is our own fear,
who stands on selfishness and greed
as his ignorant armies boldly cheer,
trading their Freedom for a miser's creed
                               - Me

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Deckman
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 08:43 PM

EJ ... WOW! BOB(DECKMAN)NELSON

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 08:49 PM

I love Ms. Sarah...

I think she would be fun to have a beer with... No... I lied... She'd be fun to have about 12 beers with... She's entertaining... I mean, I oove people like her... Maybe that's why I loved my job as a social worker working with mentally ill people...

I mean, they ain't boring...

Yep, I'm sure that Ms. Sarah has a right decent approval rating... That doesn't mean that people want her to be president... It just means that we like her...

I like her...

Presidential material??? Nah, not even close... But I like her...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: artbrooks
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 08:54 PM

"Tis true, 'tis true. I've also worked with people that were very pleasant - and very delusional.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: EBarnacle
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 09:43 PM

12 beers, yeah. 10 of them before meeting her.

There was a Boston professor interviewed on All things considered [NPR] this evening. He spun Palin's utterance in an effort to make it seem somewhat credible. His half truths and her nonsense do not add up to a true or logical statement.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: gnu
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 09:58 PM

Deckman... I'll second that! That is one shockin good piece there LEJ. Flesh that out a bit more and yer a Long Fellow. Litterarily speakin a course... I dunno how the girls find ya.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Lighter
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 10:18 PM

Wikipedia on "freedom fries" is the way I remember it. But the renaming was a publicity stunt, and nobody in his or her right mind used the phrase except as a joke. And not very often then, either.

Pretty much teh same for "cheese-eating surrender monkeys." I heard it on The Simpsons in the '90s. It was a joke.

The next time I noticed it was on Fox News in 2003. Still a joke.

No normal American uses either of these phrases in everyday life.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: J-boy
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 10:54 PM

Well said Lonesome.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Charley Noble
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 10:55 PM

Rachel Maddow reported this evening that the wikipedia page about Paul Revere was edited today by Palin supporters to better reflect her view of history.

Here's to Israel Bissell!

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: GUEST,Coyote Breath, cookieless
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 11:03 PM

Nah, I'd like to hang out with her at deer camp, drink a few brewskis, maybe arm wrestle, sing a few good old songs.

President?!!

Not as long as I draw a breath!

But, then, I said the same thing about Bush and look what happened!

Still, she'd be the only president who looked good in a bikini.

Gotte go, it's time for my meds.

CB

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Songster Bob
Date: 06 Jun 11 - 11:28 PM

"Freedom Fries" were ordered as the new title for "French Fries" in the US House of Representatives cafeteria by a Republican Congressman. Whether the menu actually listed them that way, I'm not sure, but I suspect it did.

That Republican, by the way, changed his mind a few years later (and, I think, his party -- but then lost his seat).

Bob

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 12:53 AM

Go to the wikipedia page on Paul Revere, and click on "history".
You will see a flurry of Palin Minion revisions beginning late in the day on June 5. Luckily, there are folks out there monitoring and correcting. That page has been edited every few minutes for the last three days. The Palindrones (I get credit for that word, okay?) are using ever more subtle tactics, but are not giving up. Recently they are just trying to sneak ringing bells into the account. ANYTHING to make Palin seem less stupid. Reading the revision history is hugely entertaining and illuminating.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 01:05 AM

Here are two versions from just a few hours ago.

Just for fun, see if you can tell which one was written by the Palindrone:

1)
Revere was questioned by the British officers and told them of the army's movement from Boston, and that British army troops might be in some danger if they approached Lexington, because of the large number of hostile militia gathered there.Fischer, pp. 133–134 He and other captives taken by the patrol were then escorted east toward Lexington, until the sound of musket fire from the town center alarmed the patrolmen. Revere explained to them that it was probably an arriving militia company that had fired a volley upon its arrival. The sound was followed not long after by the pealing of the town bell.Fischer, pp. 135–6 The British confiscated Revere's horse, and rode off to warn the approaching army column. Revere was horseless and walked through a cemetery and pastures until he came to Rev. Clarke's house where Hancock and Adams were staying. As the battle on Lexington Green continued, Revere helped John Hancock and his family escape from Lexington with their possessions, including a trunk of Hancock's papers.

2)
Revere was captured and questioned by the British soldiers at gunpoint. He told them of the army's movement from Boston, and that British army troops would be in some danger if they approached Lexington, because of the large number of hostile militia gathered there. Everything Revere told his British captors had a single goal, to move the soldiers away from Lexington, where he had left Hancock and Adams. Revere had reason to believe the patrol's mission was to arrest the two Patriot leaders. He and other captives taken by the patrol were still escorted east toward Lexington, until about a half mile from Lexington they heard a gunshot. The British major demanded Revere explain the shot, and Revere replied it was a signal to "alarm the Country". A few minutes later came a flurry of shots that seemed to alarm the British captors even beyond the panic they were already in. As the group drew closer to Lexington, the town bell began to clang rapidly, to which one of the captives proclaimed to the British soldiers "The bell's a'ringing! The town's alarmed, and you're all dead men!" The British soldiers gathered and decided not to press further towards Lexington, to instead free the prisoners and to head back to warn their commanders.Fischer, pp. 133–136, 142–148. The British confiscated Revere's horse, and rode off to warn the approaching army column. Revere was horseless and walked through a cemetery and pastures until he came to Rev. Clarke's house where Hancock and Adams were staying. As the battle on Lexington Green unfolded, Revere assisted John Hancock and his family in their escape from Lexington, helping to carry a trunk of Hancock's papers.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: J-boy
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 01:12 AM

Sarah Palin. What kind of mutant streak of Americana spawned her anyway? All politics aside can't we agree that the woman is in way over her head?

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 01:20 AM

If I remember rightly, Tia, Revere was given a 'tired' horse in place of his own, so that he wouldn't be able to ride rapidly.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Big Al Whittle (closed)
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 03:04 AM

'Pretty much teh same for "cheese-eating surrender monkeys." I heard it on The Simpsons in the '90s. It was a joke.

The next time I noticed it was on Fox News in 2003. Still a joke.

No normal American uses either of these phrases in everyday life.'

In england we thought it was bloody hilarious. we use the phrase all the time - rugby and football matches, wine tasting sessions, cross channel ferries, french restaurants, every time a Frenchman appears on telly, etc.

The french quite rightly think we are an uncouth nation.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 03:58 AM

Listen my children and you shall hear
Of the midnight ride of Paul Revere

[While Palin and Bobert drink their beer]

On the eighteenth of April in Seventy-Five
Hardly a man is now alive
Who remembers that famous day and year



No kidding. So let the New Yorker refresh your memory:

LONGFELLOW UPDATED

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 05:40 AM

I'd suspect that a fair number of people who tell bolsters they'd like Ms Palin to be the Republican candidate for presidents might actually be Democrats wanting to be sure Obama wins.

Mind, I'd think they are mistaken - Americans seem quite capable of electing a nut when the mood takes them.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Charley Noble
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 08:07 AM

Bonnie-

Thanks for the above link to the Longfellow poem as updated in the New Yorker. There are a lot of great verses, and this one is more greater than some:

How the rebels were the braver men
And still are today like they were back then.
How we beat the British at their worst
That's why the Second Amendment's first.

This calls for another stiff drink!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 08:47 AM

Still being edited every few minutes, but the page is now semi-locked to keep the Palinbots out.

But conservapaedia has gone full Palin revisionist:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/38680_Conservapedias_Paul_Revere_Post_Edited_to_Match_Palins_Botched_History

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 09:52 AM

Honestly, who do they think they're going to fool? All this hoo-ha is only going to make anyone who's unclear on the history go seek out alternative sources (yes, there still are some), like history books. And they'll then see that not only is she ignorant, she's dishonest too. I think this one could really backfire on her.

But then, I thought that when she put the crosshairs of a rifle sight over a map of Arizona, then denied any association when Gabrielle Giffords got it. (I notice she changed the maps too. Fast. Crosshairs? What crosshairs?? I don't see any crosshairs...)

Or when she stood, blissfully unaware, in front of a turkey being slaughtered while she prattled on about caring for animals, or whatever it was. I only remember that what we were seeing completely belied what she was saying.

I keep waiting for her to self-destruct and it keeps not happening :-( This time, maybe? Wonder how much all this intensive revisionism is costing? And what parlour-tricks the taxpayer would have to fork out for if she gets elected?

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 09:54 AM

Artbrooks: See
http://www.utexas.edu/courses/stross/ant393b_files/freedomfries.htm
and/or numerous other reliable sources.

nobody in his or her right mind used the phrase except as a joke...
No normal American uses either of these phrases...

I'd have to agree, Lighter; unfortunately then, as now, there are a significant number of abnormal, not-in-their-right-mind Americans who were, and are, not joking at all.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 10:09 AM

Notice how those who hate Palin, also think Obama is a great President??..Need I say more???

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Wesley S
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 10:20 AM

I don't think anyone really hates Sarah Palin. But we can see that's she's unfit to run for anything other than mayor of her hometown. Wheather we think Obama is a great president is a totally different subject.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: jacqui.c
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 10:28 AM

I agree with Don - Palin scares me. The idea that anyone could even consider her as presidential material is frightening. Someone on Facebook called her a 'two bit grifter' and, for me, that sums her up nicely.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 10:33 AM

Palin doesn't scare me at all - she's simply an ignorant buffoon.

Now, her moronic adherents, boosters and supporters -- THAT'S a scary bunch.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin: Teaching History to the Natives
From: Stu
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 10:39 AM

"And when did "The Simpsons" become the spokespersons for the opinion of the American people?"

The Simpsons may not be the spokepersons for the American people, but it shows that there are people in America that understand some of their societies dichotomies and hypocrisies and can lampoon them in a subtle and understated way. The fact it doesn't resonate with right-wing breadheads there or here in the UK is tremendously comforting as it means some people are still able to think freely and question those that tell us they know what's best for us.

I know self-deprecation doesn't always go down well with some folks, but then they're probably the sort who watch the X-Factor, and think nationalistic thoughts and vote for conservatives. But hey, I'm a smug fat git so who cares?