BS: The Guillotine

Subject: RE: BS: The Guillotine
From: Musket
Date: 18 Dec 12 - 04:06 AM

You know Michael, a word can morph into more than one (related) meaning, and dictionaries general catch up.

If that weren't the case, pedantry could never exist...

Subject: RE: BS: The Guillotine
From: GUEST,Big Al Whittle
Date: 18 Dec 12 - 04:32 AM

Oh deft Monsieur Musket! A palpable hit!

You know , you know - you me and Mike ought to start a dinner club - GOF - Grouchy Old friends - grouchy Old Fuckers

Subject: RE: BS: The Guillotine
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 18 Dec 12 - 05:26 AM

There is, nevertheless, precise linguistic usage, Musket, and the other, imprecise, emotive, tendentious sort, in vogue among imprecise, emotive, tendentious non-thinkers.

So ---

...♫♫·Which side are you on? ·♩·♪· Which side are you on?·♫♫...

.,,.

Al ~~ always be a pleasure to see you; but please do not call me grouchy just becoz I am a member of the Groucho! Why, I am the soul and epitome of amiability and affability and amicability!

(and modesty)

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: The Guillotine
From: Ed T
Date: 18 Dec 12 - 06:09 AM

Death penalty statistics, country by country

State Executions

Subject: RE: BS: The Guillotine
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 18 Dec 12 - 01:01 PM

I think they should ban lethal injection and bring the guillotine to Amerika.
Publically execute folks.
Some hanging, drawing and quartering to warm up the audience.
Burn a few women at the stake.
Then bring out the centerpiece of the evening's entertainment.
La Guillotine.
Broadcast it all on T.V. during prime time.
Maybe Amerika will get disgusted enough to ban capital punishment.
=(:-( o)

Subject: RE: BS: The Guillotine
From: GUEST,Squeezer
Date: 18 Dec 12 - 10:34 PM

"Maybe Amerika will get disgusted enough to ban capital punishment."

Who ya kiddin Henry? Amerika will just lurve prime-time executions. Them good ole boys will be drinking whisky and rye, and watching women burning at the stake in slo-mo on their videos. Fox won't be able to churn out the CDs fast enough.

Little children were not killed for stealing bread, at least not in the UK. The penalties for theft, depending on the value of the goods stolen, were whipping, branding, transportation, and (only if the goods were worth £2 or more) death by hanging. A whole loaf of bread would be worth about 4 pence. There is a good account of 18th century justice in Britain on the Proceedings of the Old Bailey website (www.oldbaileyonline.org) where you can read transcripts of trials from 1674 to 1834.

I stand to be corrected here, but I believe E. P. Thompson mentioned the last beheading in England in his "History of the Working Class", in about 1805 at Nottingham Castle. The victim was a Jacobin accused of treason.

In 1905 a Dr Gabriel Beaurieux saw a criminal named Languille guillotined. When the head fell, Beaurieux called out Languille's name. The eyes opened and focused, then closed. This happened again when his name was called a second time; there was no response on the third occasion. That took perhaps 15 seconds. Whether Languille was really conscious is difficult to say - common sense suggests immediate loss of consciousness because of catastrophic loss of cerebral blood pressure.

Subject: RE: BS: The Guillotine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Feb 13 - 10:04 AM

Photographs appearing to show a blindfolded man having his fingers severed by the mechanical amputation device have been published by an official Iranian press agency.
According to the INSA news service, the prisoner used to demonstrate the brutal contraption had been convicted of theft and adultery by a court in Shiraz last Wednesday.
A series of pictures show three masked officials, clad entirely in black, holding the man's right hand in a vice while one turns a wheel operating the guillotine in the manner of a rotary saw.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/9831727/Iran-unveils-finger-amputating-machine-for-use-on-thieves.html

Subject: RE: BS: The Guillotine
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Feb 13 - 10:47 AM

Guillotining is so provocative, I did a painting of one from the perspective of 8 inches in front of the face looking up as the blade just begins its cut of finality.

Squeezer, The Nazis were said to outdo 15 seconds with a quick cauterization. (key words "said to")

Subject: RE: BS: The Guillotine
From: Jack Campin
Date: 05 Feb 13 - 01:30 PM

Little children were not killed for stealing bread, at least not in the UK. The penalties for theft, depending on the value of the goods stolen, were whipping, branding, transportation, and (only if the goods were worth £2 or more) death by hanging. A whole loaf of bread would be worth about 4 pence. There is a good account of 18th century justice in Britain on the Proceedings of the Old Bailey website (www.oldbaileyonline.org) where you can read transcripts of trials from 1674 to 1834.

For fucksake. Britain is not England. Scottish law was nothing like that punitive, ever. Nobody got hanged for stealing in Scotland, nor did the Old Bailey deal with Scottish cases.

Subject: RE: BS: The Guillotine
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 05 Feb 13 - 01:46 PM

Why resurrect this thread? You can't resurrect people once you have inflicted state murder on them,(yes it is murder by definition even when sanctioned by government.) So there is an amount of irony in coming back to the argument.

Even when killing someone is, as Sailor Boy states, humane...

Must buy a new dictionary.

Subject: RE: BS: The Guillotine
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 05 Feb 13 - 04:05 PM

The last British execution by beheading was in fact Jeremiah Brandreth in 1817.

He was Hung and Beheaded for treason in Derby.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: The Guillotine
From: gnu
Date: 05 Feb 13 - 05:05 PM

Murder def...

1 : the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought.

I rest my case.

Subject: RE: BS: The Guillotine
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 05 Feb 13 - 05:24 PM

Capital punishment is under English law murder since 1765. Those implicated from courts to executioners were exempt from culpability.

Real case rested. Can't answer for other countries but there again my conscience doesn't have to live there.