Dodgy Artistic Licence?

Subject: RE: Dodgy Artistic Licence?
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 26 Oct 17 - 10:28 AM

Trying to work out the essence of song's meaning by discussion is pointless to you?

But, I do note that your input on this topic has been less than inspiring.

I think you're visiting the wrong forum.

Subject: RE: Dodgy Artistic Licence?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Oct 17 - 12:24 AM

ok then OCD lyricologists...

"Mah Na Mah Na
Do doo be-do-do
Mah Na Mah Na
Do do-do do
Mah Na Mah Na
Do doo be-do-do be-do-do be-do-do be-do-do-doodle Do do do-doo do!"

Subject: RE: Dodgy Artistic Licence?
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 27 Oct 17 - 02:24 AM

Punkfolkrock, I've just checked your contribution to this topic.
Pathetic is the word that comes to mind!
But, you can redeem yourself!
Please enlighten us as to what you believe is the real essence/meaning of Joni's song.

Subject: RE: Dodgy Artistic Licence?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Oct 17 - 03:47 AM

I can't speak for Joni..

But if she was here, maybe she'd respond with "Go stuff it up your arse you humourless miserable pompous buffoon..."...???

As I long time ago studied critical analysis of poetry,
and inspired by the great Syd Barrett & Kevin Ayers,
wrote complete bollocks meaningless surreal song lyrics for our arty farty student punk band,
I'd tend to agree with that sentiment... 😜

Subject: RE: Dodgy Artistic Licence?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Oct 17 - 03:52 AM

.... and btw...


"A well a everybody's heard about the bird
B-b-b bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A well a bird, bird, bird, the bird is the word
A well a bird, bird, bird, well the bird is the word
A well a bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word

A well a bird, bird, bird, well the bird is the word
A well a bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A well a bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A well a bird, bird, bird, well the bird is the word
A well a bird, bird, b-bird's the word

A well a don't you know about the bird?
Well, everybody knows that the bird is the word!
A well a bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A well a

A well a everybody's heard about the bird
Bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A well a bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A well a bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A well a bird, bird, b-bird's the word

A well a bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A well a bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A well a bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A well a bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word

A well a don't you know about the bird?
Well, everybody's talking about the bird!
A well a bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A well a bird

Surfin' bird
B-b-b aah, aah!

Pa pa pa pa, pa pa pa pa, pa pa pa pa, pa pa pa pa
Pa pa pa pa, pa pa pa pa, pa pa pa pa
Papa, ooma mow mow
Papa, ooma mow mow

Papa ooma mow mow, papa ooma mow mow
Papa ooma mow mow, papa ooma mow mow
Ooma mow mow, papa ooma mow mow
Papa ooma mow mow, papa ooma mow mow

Papa ooma mow mow, papa ooma mow mow
Oom oom oom oom, ooma mow mow
Papa ooma mow mow, papa oom oom oom
Oom ooma mow mow, papa ooma mow mow

Ooma mow mow, papa ooma mow mow
Papa a mow mow, papa ooma mow mow
Papa ooma mow mow, ooma mow mow
Papa ooma mow mow, ooma mow mow

Papa oom oom oom oom, ooma mow mow
Oom oom oom oom, ooma mow mow
Ooma mow mow, papa ooma mow mow
Papa ooma mow mow, ooma mow mow

Well a don't you know about the bird?
Well, everybody knows that the bird is the word!
A well a bird, bird, b-bird's the word

A well a ooma mow mow
Papa ooma mow mow
Papa ooma mow mow
Papa ooma mow mow
Papa ooma mow mow
Papa ooma mow mow
Papa ooma mow mow"...!!!

Subject: RE: Dodgy Artistic Licence?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Oct 17 - 03:57 AM

Yes that's right.. in a song, in creative artistic expression, it's also as much about what a word sounds like,
as what it might be intended to mean... 😎

Subject: RE: Dodgy Artistic Licence?
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 27 Oct 17 - 10:23 AM

Well, the "punk" part of your "moniker" tells me all a need to know.

Punk music was a musical and artistic disaster!
to
Lyrically and musically it was inferior the the rock music and singer/songwriter that was happening when punk first emerged.

For example, a fraction of Joni's work is worth more that the total creative(!) output of the punk era.

Subject: RE: Dodgy Artistic Licence?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Oct 17 - 11:21 AM

Punk would never even have come into being
if it hadn't been for tedious middle-brow cultural snobs like you
for us bright young bored music obsessives to actively react against... 😜

My sincerest thanks...!!!


But that was 40 years ago...

I'm mostly an old fart folkie now.... 🙄

Subject: RE: Dodgy Artistic Licence?
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 27 Oct 17 - 01:11 PM

The best of the music that was on offer before the arrival of punk beats punk hands down in every area.

Of course, if you had have been a thirteen year old music illiterate, then punk would have made sense.

Subject: RE: Dodgy Artistic Licence?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Oct 17 - 02:07 PM

Actually I was a 16 -> 18 year old with an encyclopedic general knowledge of, and liking for, most genres of post music hall popular music...

That's a product of classic Grammar School edumacation that is...

same goes for my teen band mates...

But we needed your kind of sanctimonious intolerant old miseries to fight back against with our guitars, synths, and amps..
and that included many teen fans of Prog Rock and Singer Songwriters, with their narrow minded ignorant sense of superiority...

.. At that same time, those were still 2 of my favourite genres for home listening,
even though we were actively gigging out vital 'new wave' music in bands..

While all the moaners sat on their arses complaining about punk being a 3 chord 9 day wonder...

Of course it was.. We knew that, and celebrated it as loud and with as much exuberant fun as we could muster... 😎

Subject: RE: Dodgy Artistic Licence?
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 27 Oct 17 - 04:38 PM

Well, I think, musically and lyrically, Punk had it over Skiffle, for example.
It did move away from American dominated vocals, and speak to young people.
To be far, as a young person, I never felt put upon by the older generation.
For example, I cringed the first time I heard "My Generation"( pre- punk, I know)
But, then, again, I was in my early 20s when the song came out, and I do know that certain friends of mine, who where five or six years younger than me, really related to the song.
Also, in retrospect,, I have a great sympathy for those fans of Swing back in the 50s when in was blown away by 3 chord rock'n'rollers.

Subject: RE: Dodgy Artistic Licence?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Oct 17 - 06:55 PM

Absolutely spot on.. we refused to Americanise the songs we were writing, or how we presented our onstage persona...
We mocked older derivative formulaic local heavy rock bands who were inthrall to America..
We were British teens from a small provincial west country town,
and we were writing about our own direct personal experiences within our own locality...

I was borrowing Topic Trad folk LPs from the library, our band was taking inspiration from George Formby & Jake Thackray and other classic British comic novelty songs..
We easily saw parallels in what we were doing
with our own short sharp absurdist surreal electrified songs about our mates, girlfriends,
and conflicts with pisshead town thugs and coppers who hated all us young hippies & punks..
We were comfortable with being British, without being xenophobic or nationalistic about it..
Those were the years of the Anti N@zi League and Rock against Racism..
Us smart arsed well educated youth versus the forces of resentful boneheaded conservatism...

I've always regarded our particular expression of rebel teen culture from that time as punk/folk in spirit...

How different it was back then, no onstage health & safety, or noise limiters [well ok - the police occasionally], no artistic licences... 🙄 😜