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Subject: RE: Help: Who wrote the tune to Raglan Road??? From: Jim Lad Date: 20 Feb 07 - 05:07 PM Proves nothing Bud! |
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Subject: RE: Help: Who wrote the tune to Raglan Road??? From: GUEST,meself Date: 20 Feb 07 - 05:11 PM Um - allow me to quote meself: "not that that proves anything, mindja ..." I think we're in agreement on that point! |
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Subject: RE: Help: Who wrote the tune to Raglan Road??? From: Jim Lad Date: 20 Feb 07 - 06:14 PM You wrote the tune. Didn't you? |
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Subject: RE: Help: Who wrote the tune to Raglan Road??? From: GUEST,meself Date: 20 Feb 07 - 06:47 PM Nope - but give me a minute and I will! |
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Subject: RE: Help: Who wrote the tune to Raglan Road??? From: GUEST,Stef Date: 10 May 07 - 12:59 PM it's originally a poem written by Patrick Kavanagh..though he intented it to be sung as a song to the air of 'Dawning of the Day' |
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Subject: RE: Help: Who wrote the tune to Raglan Road??? From: Jim Lad Date: 10 May 07 - 01:49 PM Oh Stef: Read the thread. Good Morning All! from the sunny Highlands. Jim |
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Subject: RE: Help: Who wrote the tune to Raglan Road??? From: GUEST,Corkie Date: 13 May 07 - 07:20 AM Does anyone know where I can get two extra verses to Raglan Road? I heard them sung on RTE (Irish TV) earlier this year by Brian Kennedy (I think!!!!) and I very keen to find them. They were a sort of uplifting, in comparison with the pathos that the existing last verse ends with. Hope someone can help. Corkie |
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Subject: RE: Help: Who wrote the tune to Raglan Road??? From: Jim Lad Date: 13 May 07 - 07:10 PM Sure! Doesn't it start off with ... In the town, where I was born, Lived a..... something, something, something? Not exactly up to par with the original lyrics but definitely uplifting, in a cross your heart sort of way!!! |
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Subject: RE: Help: Who wrote the tune to Raglan Road??? From: BUTTS Date: 13 May 07 - 08:00 PM hi, raglan road is a great song. i have the cd cover but gave it to a friend, did you find out who wrote it?? |
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Subject: RE: Help: Who wrote the tune to Raglan Road??? From: Jim Lad Date: 13 May 07 - 08:07 PM Guest, meself! |
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Subject: RE: Help: Who wrote the tune to Raglan Road??? From: Jim Lad Date: 13 May 07 - 08:08 PM i have the cd cover??? ! |
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Subject: RE: Help: Who wrote the tune to Raglan Road??? From: Effsee Date: 13 May 07 - 09:05 PM Butts, it's always a good idea to read the whole thread before leaping in with daft questions. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Who wrote the tune to Raglan Road??? From: Jim Lad Date: 13 May 07 - 11:00 PM She means "Abbey Road", I think. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Who wrote the tune to Raglan Road??? From: GUEST,Desi C Date: 19 Apr 12 - 11:43 AM It was written in 1947 by Patrick Kavanagh. In 1962 he met Luke Kelly of The Dubliners and said "here Kelly, you should sing this" or words very similar. Kelly put the words to an old trad tune Finne Gael An La (not too sure of my spelling) And his recording is the definitive version, It's both an unequited Love song for a lady called Hilda Moriaty, and I believe more so a typical Irish allegory style song for his love/hate relationship for the states involvement in church matters and vice versa, also a lot of the song relates to his b itterness that the fame, fortune and women, which came to others such as Joyce, Behan etc never came to him. Although since his death he is now regarded as one of Ireland's greatest writers. It was titled Raglan Road by Kelly as there were at least 4 other works at the time named Dawning Of The Day, the original poem's title |
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Subject: RE: Help: Who wrote the tune to Raglan Road??? From: Arthur_itus Date: 20 Apr 12 - 06:16 AM Surely the correct title is On Raglan Road. This is the version I like most http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj9EK1QMlUg&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL8636080D3CF35CF4 Although I note that even they can't get the correct title. I called Jonathan Williams sometime ago (who is the Trustee's Agent), to get permission for my freind to record the song for a charity CD. He was a really nice person and very helpful. He insisted that the song must be called "On Raglan Road". http://www.tcd.ie/English/patrickkavanagh/thetrust.html |
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Subject: RE: Help: Who wrote the tune to Raglan Road??? From: Tootler Date: 20 Apr 12 - 07:09 AM The original title of the poem was actually "Dark Haired Miriam Ran Away" |
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Subject: RE: Help: Who wrote the tune to Raglan Road??? From: The Sandman Date: 20 Apr 12 - 07:47 AM The Dawning of the Day (Irish: Fáinne Geal an Lae) is an old Irish air composed by the blind harpist Thomas Connellan in the 17th Century. here is a version with concertinahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bFeua5R8w8 |
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Subject: RE: Help: Who wrote the tune to Raglan Road??? From: Big Al Whittle Date: 20 Apr 12 - 09:11 AM more to the point, who put the bom in the bomba bomba bom? |
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Subject: RE: Help: Who wrote the tune to Raglan Road??? From: Joe Offer Date: 12 Jun 14 - 05:05 AM In this thread Jim Radford says he wrote his "Shores of Normandy" to be sung to the tune of "Raglan Road." I listened to several recordings of "Raglan Road." Sometimes, "Raglan Road" sounds to me like "Star of the County Down," and sometimes like "Lakes of Ponchartrain." The songs seem to have a lot in common. Are they all more-or-less the same tune, or is my ear bad? -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: Help: Who wrote the tune to Raglan Road??? From: GUEST,dusty millar Date: 12 Jun 14 - 08:45 AM understand it was originally called "dawning" and one of the "dubliners re-named it "raglan". originally a poem by a dubliner, some of the words could do with an explanation. the "enchanted way" is a dublin street, the "queen of hearts still baking tarts is believed to refer to the fact that the target of his affections worked in a bakers shop, and "not making hay" means of course he's getting nowhere with his courting! (we've all been there!). a quiet street where old ghosts meet refers to a dublin corner reputed to be haunted. hope this helps. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Who wrote the tune to Raglan Road??? From: Dave Hanson Date: 12 Jun 14 - 03:30 PM Have you learned nothing from this thread dusty millar ? It was written by the poet Patrick Kavanagh, he called it RAGLAN ROAD, ffs. Dave H |
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Subject: RE: Help: Who wrote the tune to Raglan Road??? From: GUEST Date: 12 Jun 14 - 05:28 PM 'he called it RAGLAN ROAD, ffs. Dave H' ON Raglan Road even. As was pointed out earlier. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Who wrote the tune to Raglan Road??? From: GUEST Date: 12 Jun 14 - 05:51 PM In a mean abode On the Raglan Road By the Lakes of Ponchartrain A gurrier called Kavanagh had a woman his brain, A lass like Cushie Butterfield, with feet of yaller clay, And he stole the tune from the rising moon At the dawning of the day. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Who wrote the tune to Raglan Road??? From: GUEST,Julia L Date: 12 Jun 14 - 08:27 PM I'm surprised nobody has mentioned ASndy Hunter's Kilbowie Hill which I have heard sung by Jack beck (also recorded on his O, Lassie Lassie album) KILBOWIE HILL- Andy Hunter I was strolling down Kilbowie hill on a cold November day The morning mist hung o'er me and the toon was dark and grey My thoughts were wi' my broken love, the wound was there tae stay And the shipyard cranes stand alane at the dawning of the day I watched her running before me as she laughed her cares away Soft as any summer's breeze across the Cartney brae I never knew that love was mine, I chose tae slough away And the shipyard cranes stand alane at the dawning of the day And the Queen that stands against the dock will shortly sail away The sun that shines upon her hull will shine through Clyde's clear spray And I saw the light shining in her eyes as I wiped the tears away And I saw her lying beside me at the dawning of the day |
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Subject: RE: Help: Who wrote the tune to Raglan Road??? From: Tattie Bogle Date: 12 Jun 14 - 08:48 PM Good of you to post the words Julia L, but Andy Hunter's version WAS mentioned on 4/11/00 by Ewan McVicar, even if he didn't name the song...... if you read the whole thread. And I heard a friend sing Jim Radford's "Shores of Normandy" just last week when all the big commemorations of the D-Day landings were happening. And (thread drift a bit) there are a lot of poems whose meters fit certain tunes - witness several songs to the tunes of "Tramps and Hawkers" and "Star of the County Down" for example. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Who wrote the tune to Raglan Road??? From: GUEST Date: 14 Jun 14 - 05:26 AM Both Musicman & Zander below correctly give the old Gaelic tune Finne Gael An La' (speling)as the tune) it was put to that tune in 1964 by Luke Kelly of The Dubliners. After a brief meeting with Kvanagh in Dublin's Bailey pub. In the only conversation Kelly remembers, Kavanagh approached him with the poem and said " hey you Kelly, you should make a song out of this" The rest is history and one of my favourite songs. The poem was titled The Dawning Of The Day. Kelly found there were at least 4 other works of the same name so changed the title to Raglan Road. Kavanagh never explained the heavy, mysterious symbolism of the words. But having studied it for over 6 years, I believe it's both an unrequieted love song, partly for Hilda Moriarty (there never was a real affair) and his love/hate relationship with the Irish State's relationship with the Catholic Faith, he was most critical of both. His fall ot with Brendan Behan is also in there I'm sure. 'The Queen of hearts still Making tartsm while I not making hay' almost certainly refers to Behan |
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Subject: RE: Help: Who wrote the tune to Raglan Road??? From: Joe Offer Date: 14 Jun 14 - 05:32 AM Interesting comments, Guest. I wish I knew what your name is. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: Help: Who wrote the tune to Raglan Road??? From: Thompson Date: 14 Jun 14 - 05:43 AM Fáinne an lae, meaning dawn, literally means the ring of day, and refers to the brightness at the edge of the eastern horizon at dawn; 'geal', or gheal after the feminine noun fáinne, means bright. The original song is an aisling poem, a style composed commonly in the 17th and 18th centuries to disguise the fact that they were songs of freedom from the occupying forces, who were fond of hanging people for wanting freedom. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Who wrote the tune to Raglan Road??? From: Thompson Date: 14 Jun 14 - 05:43 AM There's a wiki under Dawning of the Day, with a very rough translation. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Who wrote the tune to Raglan Road??? From: GUEST,Desi C Date: 15 Jun 14 - 07:05 AM Re Dusty Miller & Dave Hanson Kavanaghg did NOT name the song Raglan Road. It once had a title 'fair Haired Miriam ran away' but officially became titled Dawning Of The Day. It was Luke Kelly who changed that to On Raglan Road for copyright reasons (see me earlier post. 'The Queen Of Hearts' line does not refer to Hilda Moriarty. I don't believe she ever worked in a cake shop! She studied medicine and later became a GP. Kavanagh never explained what the various terms meant, But from research I've done including talking to people in Eire who knew the man, I believe it refers to Brendan Behan. Once a close friend of Kvanagh, they fell out, it's believed in jealosy of Behan's 'star' status with the media and him being regularly in employment by them. Compared to Kavanagh's getting little work or making no money, his rather ascerbic attitude and fondness to whiskey didn't help. He once said about Beham "him like a feckin queen up there entertaining all and sundry and I being ignored!" (making tarts and I not making hay) That's why I belief the line refers to Behan |
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