G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 May 02 - 08:22 PM

But Caro Mio Ben is not exactly "probably from the British Isles" (that doesn't mean it mightn't be the tune - the same tunes crop up in all kinds of places, either havingh travelled or having been re-invented.

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: GUEST,ernie
Date: 07 May 02 - 04:29 AM

I really can't remember much except that it was something about winter and springtime or whatever. I will check up Caro Mio Ben and see. Yep, maybe the song used this tune.

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: GUEST,ernie
Date: 07 May 02 - 04:45 AM

Hi everybody!

Yes! it is Caro Mio Ben!!!

The second part of the tune I posted actually occurs quite a few bars down, and not exactly as I put it. There must be an english version to the song somewhere. Thank you all a million! brilliant!

ernie

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: Scabby Douglas
Date: 07 May 02 - 05:20 AM

Thank God for that!

Can anyone think of one other place where so many people would put so much effort into finding the source of a tune? I raise a (virtual) glass to the Mudcat and the Mudcatters. Well done for this and so many earlier quests, and for all the questions that will be answered in the future...

Here's to the Mudcat.

Cheers

Steven

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 May 02 - 06:25 AM

Here's a midi I found of Caro Mio Ben.

It sounds familiar, but I can't think of a song in with the tune from the British Isles. So the hunt isn't quite over yet.

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: GUEST
Date: 07 May 02 - 06:54 AM

Jeez, McGrath

He only said probably from the British Isles

His memory was mistaken. Never happened to you, eh?

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: GUEST,ernie
Date: 07 May 02 - 07:17 AM

On one site, it said the song was also called "come once again", but no english lyrics given, only the italian ones.

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 07 May 02 - 07:24 AM

I had no trouble with Ernie's ingenious post of 9.25am May 6 (maybe those who did were trying before JoeClone cleaned it up); knew the tune; realised two sections had been elided, and (eventually) pinned it down to Caro Mio Ben. Only to find you lot had already sorted it out, you utter bastards....

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 May 02 - 07:40 AM

Well here's a fairly literal translation I found of the song. But I suspect there's a more singable set of words to the tune somewhere which Ernie's mother would have been singing.

Caro mio ben,
(My dear beloved,)
credimi almen,
(believe me at least,)
senza di te languisce il cor.
(without you my heart languishes.)
Il tuo fedel
(Your faithful one)
sospira ognor.
(always sighs; )
Cessa, crudel,
(cease, cruel one,)
tanto rigor!
(so much punishment!)

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: Barbara Shaw
Date: 07 May 02 - 08:44 AM

Interesting thing happened after playing the music with Sibelius, using Sorcha's link. My midi files all played thereafter in a voice-like falsetto - like the vocal line from the music. I had to go back into MusicTime and change the midi settings to get things back to normal in my other midi files. What's this about? How do you change the midi defaults without something like MusicTime? C'mon mudcats, it aint over yet.

Another small comment, the first two measures of this mystery melody are also in the song "We Shall Overcome." The words are something like "deep in my heart, I know it's true . . ."

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 07 May 02 - 09:11 AM

If your midis don't specify a particular voice, your sound card will probably use the "last heard" preset as its default until another midi with a specified voice is played, so playing one with a voice you actually like would sort the problem in the short term. Re-starting the computer probably achieves a return to the usual piano default voice; I don't remember at present. If you have midi-editing software, you can tell your own files what voice to use, and they then won't be affected by other files played; you do have to change each file individually, though.

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: Barbara Shaw
Date: 07 May 02 - 02:10 PM

Thanks, Malcolm.

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: Willa
Date: 07 May 02 - 04:49 PM

Caro mio ben (My dear beloved) Text by Anonymous Set by Giuseppe Giordani (Giordanello) (1751-1798). Arietta.

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Caro mio ben, My dear beloved, credimi almen, believe me at least, senza di te languisce il cor. without you my heart languishes. Il tuo fedel Your faithful one sospira ognor. always sighs; Cessa, crudel, cease, cruel one, tanto rigor! so much punishment!

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Translation to English by John Glenn Paton Back to the Lied and Song Texts Page

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: Sorcha
Date: 07 May 02 - 05:32 PM

I found that too, Willa but it's only one verse.
(This was fun, can we do it again?)

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: GUEST,Pavane at work
Date: 08 May 02 - 02:02 AM

RE MIDI file defaults. Well-written MIDI files should contain a 'GM RESET' command at the start. Unfortunately, most amateur files don't, and then they will pick up any settings left over from the last file played.

One of my handy MIDI Utility programs, MIDIFIX, allows you to add a GM reset to an existing MIDI file (It also lets you edit global settings such as volume and Pan for each channel).

HARMONY always puts GM Reset into any MIDI file it creates).