BS: Euro 2004

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Rasener
Date: 17 Jun 04 - 01:51 PM

So what were the odds 3 - 0 with Rooney scoring first.

I am not getting excited about this result. I think England were pretty poor against poor opposition.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: C-flat
Date: 17 Jun 04 - 01:55 PM

My palms were sweating for the fourth goal!! Never mind, I'm happy with 3-0.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: C-flat
Date: 17 Jun 04 - 02:00 PM

I've also got 4-0 to France with Henri scoring first at 50/1.
It would be nice if one of these would come up!
C-flat.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: GUEST, sick of detractor chickens
Date: 17 Jun 04 - 02:01 PM

Villain, you are a miserable bastard with his colours nailed to both sides of the mast. You know nothing about football if you can't see the merit of a 3-0 win. Get onside, or sod off.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: C-flat
Date: 17 Jun 04 - 02:03 PM

I didn't get a price on the 3-0 bet Villan.
I agree with you about the overall performance. The scoreline flatters us a little!
C-flat.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: C-flat
Date: 17 Jun 04 - 02:05 PM

I should add that my average stake on these bets is £1. I work too hard for my money to throw it at the bookies in any meaningful way!
:-)
C-flat.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Rasener
Date: 17 Jun 04 - 03:03 PM

Guest when you get personal and start swearing at me then I find that unacceptable. You are breaking the rules of the forum.

I have my viewpoint and if you don't agree thats fine, but don't get personal OK

If you want to discuss without getting offensive then do so.

Nuff said

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Rasener
Date: 17 Jun 04 - 03:07 PM

I've also got 4-0 to France with Henri scoring first at 50/1.

C-flat
Those are good odds, but I think Croatia are a difficult team to break down. Henri is a good bet at anytime.
Good luck with that one.

This is good betting if you only bet a quid and good fun.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Rasener
Date: 17 Jun 04 - 03:14 PM

There you go. Silvestre soon knackered that up for you.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Les from Hull
Date: 17 Jun 04 - 03:37 PM

It seems it was given as an own goal. That's one for the bookies!

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: C-flat
Date: 17 Jun 04 - 03:38 PM

Never mind, there's plenty more daft bets to be had in the coming matches. You only need one good 'un........

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: GUEST,noddy
Date: 18 Jun 04 - 10:38 AM

lucky that the Swiss were down to 10 men for most the second half or the result would have been VERY different!

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Jun 04 - 12:16 PM

lucky Alan Shearer has retired or it would have been VERY different! Duh ...

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Den
Date: 18 Jun 04 - 01:41 PM

Anyone foe Italy and Sweden. I see a draw. I messed up with my predictions yesterday. How are we doing on the predictions score C-flat? Do we get extra points if we predict the score?

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: C-flat
Date: 18 Jun 04 - 02:13 PM

I think this is a really tough one to call, Den.
I haven't managed to get a bet on but I would fancy a 2-2 draw.
If Larsson were to score first you could get odds of 60/1 on that bet.
I think I might have also taken Italy to win 2-1 with Larsson as the opening scorer at 60/1.
(Of course now that I've don't have any money riding on it, one of those bets is sure to come in!!)
C-flat-broke.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: C-flat
Date: 18 Jun 04 - 02:20 PM

Den, as far as the predictions go, your Portugal/Russia prediction puts you firmly ahead.
I did have the scoreline covered in one of my bets on the last England match, but my scatter-gun approach to betting doesn't really count!
C-flat.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: C-flat
Date: 19 Jun 04 - 11:34 AM

Any predictions for Latvia-Germany?
In the absence of a decent price on a German win, I've taken Latvia to win 2-1 with Ballack to score for Germany first. I got 150/1.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Rasener
Date: 19 Jun 04 - 05:19 PM

What a fantastic game of football tonight.

The best in the competition so far. Holland didn't deserve to lose, and I personally think the ref made a bad decision which caused the Dutch player to be sent off, which may well have influenced the outcome of the game.

Can't see many matches coming up to this level of game tonight.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Wolfgang
Date: 19 Jun 04 - 06:12 PM

It was phantastic. But the referee really had not his best day. The sending off was not his only bad decision. The second Dutch goal was clearly at least 6 yards offside though the rule why it was offside is not well known. One Dutch player was in passive offside when the ball was played to some other Dutch player who then played the ball to the player who was previously in passive offside. This is one of the situations in which the decision not to call it offside at the moment the ball was played was correct since the player who was offside was far from the ball. But he was closer to the goal than the opposite players and five seconds later used this advantage to score. This is one of the rare situations in which the decision of offside has to come several seconds after the actual offside situation. But a referee at the Euro should see that.

One clear offside goal granted, one wrong booking, he was really a spoiler of a great game.

Now all Germany has to do is to beat the Czechs :-)

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: C-flat
Date: 19 Jun 04 - 10:32 PM

I agree Wolfgang, the off-side decision was ridiculous but, technically, under the new rules, it can be argued to be fair.
Nistelroy continued to walk back to an on-side position untill his team-mate had passed him, before turning back in towards goal to receive the ball to score.
I don't know how a player can be regarded as "passive" inside the penalty area, which-ever way he's facing, but that's the rule.
It's a bad rule that is too open to interpretation and one probably made by someone who has never played the game.
Nevertheless, the best match so far. The gap in standard between the, supposed, main European sides with the big-name players and the rest has now closed. I think this year it could go to any of the teams I've seen, which makes for an interesting competition.
C-flat.(passive)

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Rasener
Date: 20 Jun 04 - 02:40 AM

Worth having a look at the history of offside. Very informative.

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/corshamref/sub/offhist.htm

The rule that intrigues me is

gaining an advantage by being in that position

I consider van Nistelrooy as well as most Dutch players to be a very intelligent and knowledgeable about the game. They know the rules or should do. They know that if the ball goes out to the wing and Ruud is not interfering with play or a player, that he just needs to move back to be onside.

So was it a set plan or was it an accident that Ruud was standing where he was at that time. Did the player who made the initial pass realise that Ruud was offside and therefore played the ball to another player, or was it a set plan worked out in practice.

Personally I don't think it was a specific set plan. I think Ruud was where he should have been, but was offside if the ball came to him. It didn't and he was definately not interfering with play (under the current rules) in anyt way shape or form.

Not offside when he scored. I hope that all makes sense :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: C-flat
Date: 20 Jun 04 - 05:39 AM

No, not a set plan, Villan, but very much a part of Nistelroys' game, as we've seen in the Premiership. Everytime Man.Utd have a free kick close to the opposition goal, Nistelroy can be found in an off-side position, there purely to unsettle the defence, although technically "passive", untill he steps back up to the defensive line or untill he becomes part of the "secondary" action, for which he is on-side.
We can't blame the players for exploiting a weakness in the ruling but there is so much opportunity for "interpretation" from Referees and Assistants that I believe it needs urgent attention.
All a striker needs to do is stand around the penalty area untill play comes his way. As long as he lets his team-mate with possesion get level with his position he is magically transformed from "passive" to "active" and quite within the rules.
I'd rather the off-side rule was completely scrapped than this non-sense.
C-flat.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: ard mhacha
Date: 20 Jun 04 - 06:01 AM

A poor referee and a few bad decisions didn`t spoil a great game, well in advance of anything I have seen yet. A rare treat.
What a pity if the Dutch team are eliminated, they are a hugely entertaining side.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Rasener
Date: 20 Jun 04 - 06:36 AM

"A poor referee and a few bad decisions didn`t spoil a great game"

It did for the Dutch. Having a player sent off did spoil the game. This may have eleiminated them from the competition. They are such an entertaining team and really deserve to be in the next round.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Den
Date: 20 Jun 04 - 01:00 PM

Great game. The Dutch were very unfortunate and the odds of them making it to the next round are pretty much against them. The Czech coach will probably rest his best players against Germany giving them an advantage. I can't see Latvia rolling over either. Anyway another game that has the makings of a classic encounter, Portugal who must win against Spain and Greece against the already eliminated Russians. I say Portugal will do it by one goal to nil and Greece will beat the Russians 2-0.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: ard mhacha
Date: 20 Jun 04 - 01:46 PM

Villian, The man to blame for the Dutch defeat was oul cold-ass , Manager Advocatt, he took off their best forward when they were leading, to replace him with a defender, and suffered the consequences.
Advocatt did the same in a European Cup game when manager of Rangers.
Replace this man with an attack minded manager, that is the way with Dutch football, their football is not meant to be stifled by cold-asses like Advocatt.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Rasener
Date: 20 Jun 04 - 02:08 PM

I agree the Dutch are best when attacking. However it doesn't help when you are down to 10 because the referee made a bad decision.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Den
Date: 20 Jun 04 - 04:53 PM

Well I got one right. I agree with Ard get rid of Advocatt.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: GUEST,noddy
Date: 21 Jun 04 - 03:53 AM

if England lose tonight do we rename this thread as "Someone always has to be last"

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: sledge
Date: 21 Jun 04 - 05:12 AM

Only if Scotland were playing. BG!

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: C-flat
Date: 21 Jun 04 - 09:29 AM

It's going to be a tough one tonight but I think we'll do it. I've managed to get a few daft bets on, such as,
England win 3-0, Campbell scores the opening goal, at 200/1
England win 3-1, Lampard to score first, at 75/1
England win 2-1, Owen to score first, at 25/1
Beckham scores last goal (any result) at 9/1
and I've got Rooney down for a hat-trick but at the time of placing the bet there wasn't any prices available.

Realistically, I think it will end up as an ugly 1-0 but I remain hopeful.

For the France-Switzerland game I'm going 2-1 to the Swiss, with Zidane to open the scoring, at 200/1, which I think is the pick of my bets!
Total stake.......£6.(the bookies must be shaking in their boots!)

C-flat.(The bookmakers friend)

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: C-flat
Date: 21 Jun 04 - 09:36 AM

I've now got the price on my Rooney hat-trick bet. A measly 20/1! The same price on Rooney getting sent off!(far more likely)

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Wolfgang
Date: 21 Jun 04 - 12:57 PM

The Czech coach will probably rest his best players against Germany giving them an advantage.

We don't see it that way, but remember the last Euro: Portugal was already qualified and did send only the B-team to the last (meaningless to them) game against Germany. The Portugese B-team sent Germany home with 3-0.

Seriously, if you are a player who under normal circumstances cannot be expected to make it to the team, you'd run like mad just to show the manager how good you are and how wrong he is.

Concerning the offside (or not), the head of the German referees that is the man who selects them and judges them has said in TV that it was a clear case of offside and should have been judged as such. But I agree that if there are differing opinions in different countries how that should be judged this is a clear case for reconsidering the formulation of the rules.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Rasener
Date: 21 Jun 04 - 04:47 PM

England

Good game
Good game

My favourite
Frank Lampard. What a lovely player and a pleasure to listen to.

I think he is Englands future captain. Watch this space.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Jun 04 - 05:14 PM

Four good goals but England let in two.

Quarter finals so far France v Greece
                     England v Portugal

Wayne again - top scorer with 4.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Den
Date: 21 Jun 04 - 08:46 PM

Well, Wolfgang that is another way to look at it. I didn't get any predictions in for the England v Croatia or France v switzerland games. I was too busy today. It was an interesting game the England game. They played well in spurts with Scoles and Lampard doing what they should. However I think they may struggle to create against some of the bigger names. Rooney is a handful but he pretty much created his goals without much build up play well the second one anyway. He does well running at players from deep. He isn't your typical back to the goal type of striker. That's where he and Owen are similer but I think he outshines Owen.

France weren't at their best either and had trouble at times trying to break the Swiss down. I think they were deploying Henry in the wrong position for much of the game. He too is a player who likes to run at people although he tends to drift in from the wing and cut into the middle much like he did for the third goal. I don't think you knock long high balls to Henry and expect him to cope well.

So Italy v Bulgaria and Sweden v Denmark. The Italians need to win and score goals. I see them winning but only by 2. So Italy 2-0 Bulgaria. Sweden and Denmark will be difficult to predict. I see this as either being one of the games of the tournament or a dull stalemate. There's really only pride at play here with both teams really only needing a draw. So I'll say 1-1.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: s6k
Date: 21 Jun 04 - 08:51 PM

futball = rubbish

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Den
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 02:16 PM

Well I guess s6k just doesn't read very well. Anyway C-flat what do you say?

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 02:22 PM

Bulgaria have been woeful and even the under achieving Italians should manage at least two goals, the Danes v Sweden is a hard game to call, so I will go for a draw, and take England to beat Portugal on Thursday.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: C-flat
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 03:50 PM

Working late today, so wasn't able to make any predictions or lose any money at the bookies!
At this moment Italy are a goal down and sitting at the bottom of their group! I think I would have gone for an Italian victory too Den, but maybe taken the Danes over the Swiss.

"futball = rubbish " s6K (Essex Kay?), you're not going to be a happy bunny for the next few weeks are you?

Maybe you can take some pleasure from the post-match interviews?
There are some real gems to be had.
"We didn't under-estimate them, they were just better than we thought!"............Bobby Robson.

I'm working myself up for Thursday night and have made my usual flurry of bets across a 2-1 or 2-0 result to England, with an assortment of first scorers, ranging from Rooney at 25/1 (2-0 win) to Campbell at 200/1. Someone's going to do it for me soon!
Worst thing is, I've got a gig on Thursday and, try as I might, I can't back out! I'm considering playing with an ear-piece tuned to the match commentary. Could make for some interesting ad-libs.
C-flat.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 06:05 PM

C-flat you could stick a telly on the stage disguised as a monitor, with the sound turned down...

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: C-flat
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 06:14 PM

That's a bloody good idea!!! I've got a couple of redundant wedge-monitors which could house a small TV.
I feel a spot of D.I.Y. coming on McGrath of Harlow!

C-flat.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: GUEST,Guacermo DiLuca
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 06:22 PM

Italy ... fnarr!

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: The Shambles
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 02:49 AM

Hero to zero moment of Euro 2004?

Casano scoring Italy's second goal in the game's last moments - running in joy to the bench, only to be told that because of Sweden and Denmark's 2-2 draw - Italy were out.

This, despite not losing a game and finishing with 5 points.......

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: The Shambles
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 02:52 AM

Or is it Totti, sitting and watching and waiting for his 'spitting' ban to enable him to rejoin in the semi-final....?

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: C-flat
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 09:43 AM

Poor Casanos' face. One moment jubilation, the next, desperation!
I was amazed at how quickly the news reached the players, especially with so much noise in the stadium.
As for Totti, he didn't deserve to get back into the tournament after the spitting incident.
Hero to Zero sums it up right.
C-flat.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Den
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 09:59 AM

Someone should have told Italy earlier in the Tournament that in order to score goals you have to go forward. They can whine all they want, Nesta says that they didn't deserve to go out and that they are better than both Denmark and Sweden but they were easily the most boring team to watch. Anyway Holland and Latvia and Germany v the Czechs. Holland need to win but then so do Germany. Will the Czechs second team give Germany a run for it. Wolfgang thinks so and I tend to agree with him but it will be difficult without the likes of Nedved and Poborsky. My prediction Holland 3 v 0 Latvia. Germany 2 v 2 Czech Rep.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: C-flat
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 10:49 AM

The German strikers' lack of desire in front of goal is going to have to be overcome if they're going to beat the Czechs. Even with a second string side, the Czech players are going out to fight for their places in the first 11 and are not going to roll over for the Germans.
I'll go for a Czech win 1-0.

The Dutch side should meet less opposition from the Latvians and may be able to turn in a good performance, despite their recent problems. Much depends on Nistelroy and Robben (and Advocaats' use of substitutions?)
Holland win 2-0

C-flat.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: The Shambles
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 12:40 PM

Predictio. The German team will win and go through, or I'm a Dutchman.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 12:41 PM

I fancy the Germans to go through to-night , hard luck on Holland, a good team managed by a moron.