BS: Pick nose, Pick butt, Pick Kerry

Subject: RE: BS: Pick nose, Pick butt, Pick Kerry
From: Amos
Date: 02 Nov 04 - 01:40 PM

I'm obnoxious because I pointed out the illogic in your diatribe? Dear Gawd, get a grip.

I don't mind being in your ignore list. Fine company and all that. Are you serious that the illogic of your dialog is unclear to you?

A

Subject: RE: BS: Pick nose, Pick butt, Pick Kerry
From: Big Mick
Date: 02 Nov 04 - 01:42 PM

No, Amos, I don't think that is the case. I think that this thing between GUEST and I has gotten to the point of being ridiculous. There is likely fault for that to be placed on both of us. I believe that GUEST is sincere in the request. GUEST is also a very good spokesperson for the point of view s/he represents. It is my opinion that s/he is wrong on the solution as she believes I am, but I think we can get by that, and turn it to productive discussion. One of the first ways to help that become the norm is to acknowledge that this isn't a contest with a winner or loser, just a discussion of positions.

GUEST, I have used terms to describe you that I will not use again. I will not question your motives, in fact I am willing to say here and now that they are honest reflections of your point of view. I will debate you, but only on the merits of your arguments as I see them. I only ask that you do the same. The Irish have a saying that can be used to describe this circumstance. It is, "To there and no further". In other words, what is past is past. I acknowledge to you that we have gone beyond what honest discourse requires and should be, and that I have been part of that. That will not lessen the passion with which I discuss things, as I am passionate in my beliefs. Can you do the same? Can you and I agree that the personal attacks on each other and others here are no longer necessary? I sincerely hope so, because I believe you to be an articulate spokesperson for the 3rd party point of view. I also consider you to have strong opinions on war that I am interested in discussing, as long as it isn't conducted as an attack on me, but rather an attack on the system you detest. If we could begin to develop a bit of respect for others views (respect does not equate acceptance), I believe these discussions could be of value to others.

I sincerely hope we can do this. I am very willing to give it full effort.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Pick nose, Pick butt, Pick Kerry
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Nov 04 - 01:56 PM

You can stalk and attack me and call it "debating" all you want Mick.

But like I said, from here on out you are going to have play with yourself, not me. I won't respond.

Obviously, nothing you are saying here requires any further response from me, so this is the last post you'll see from me to you.

Same goes for you Amos. This post is it, fellas. You are on your own.

Subject: RE: BS: Pick nose, Pick butt, Pick Kerry
From: Once Famous
Date: 02 Nov 04 - 03:07 PM

Hey Guest, as long as you dragged me into it, you pukefaced, hairlipped, elephant eared, no genitalia, anal pore of a poster, why don't you just eat shit and ponder it's flavor?

OK?

don't let the door hit your smelly big ass on your way out.

Subject: RE: BS: Pick nose, Pick butt, Pick Kerry
From: GUEST,Charmion at work
Date: 02 Nov 04 - 03:13 PM

Call me an idiot for sticking my oar in here, but the accusations of the anonymous GUEST against Big Mick seem inherently irrational to me. Stalkers keep under cover and don't let their target know who they are. Big Mick always signs his name so everyone can see that his opinions are coming from him. Who's the stalker here?

Subject: RE: BS: Pick nose, Pick butt, Pick Kerry
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Nov 04 - 03:42 PM

Hi Charmion.

The answer to your question is this: Mick has more abilities than you or I to track/stalk posters here, because he has clone privleges given to him by the site owner, which allows him to see more information about posters than what a regular use of the site can see.

Subject: RE: BS: Pick nose, Pick butt, Pick Kerry
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Nov 04 - 03:44 PM

Sorry, above should read "regular user of the site..."

Subject: RE: BS: Pick nose, Pick butt, Pick Kerry
From: Amos
Date: 02 Nov 04 - 03:46 PM

Well, you do get het up some, don't you? Suit yourself.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Pick nose, Pick butt, Pick Kerry
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Nov 04 - 04:38 PM

If you are wondering how that works Charmion, it goes like this.

Many site operators like Mudcat's Max have the ability to do data mining (Max's former business was doing just that) including (but not limited to) placing tracking "web bugs" on their pages to collect information about site visitors, such as which pages are being read most often. Too small for readers to see, the bugs also can be used in more invasive ways, for instance, capturing a visitor's Internet Protocol address (or IP), and then tracking the visitor's presence on the World Wide Web.

The web tracking bugs can also be matched with "cookies," the electronic files that are stored on a PC and can contain personal information such as name and e-mail address, which is what Mudcat uses for it's members.

In the case of Mudcat's security policies, you have Max's promise that your data won't be used or abused. Which isn't exactly an ironclad guarantee of anything in this internet day and age, especially considering news accounts like these!

Once your IP address has been captured (think of it as your computer's address), a lot of information can be mined from the internet about you. Everyone who logs onto this website leaves behind the IP of the computer they logged in from, each and every time they visit, but only certain people whom the site provided has given special access to, can see that information.

Big Mick is one of the people here with those special access privleges, hence his and any of the other site users with those same special access privleges, has access to that information about you. And of course, here it is all on the "honor system". There is no system of checks and balances as far as privacy and security goes at private websites like Mudcat.

So it is just a question of whether or not you trust the site owner and the people he has given special access privleges, with your data.

Fortunately for me, I have an excellent provider who has actually done leg work for me on what the Mudcat is and isn't doing with my personal data.

There are a few ways to fight back against people spying on you online, but if I went into that here, this post would be deleted. In fact, this post will probably be deleted anyway. The site owner is really paranoid about the site users finding out about internet privacy and security relevant to this website.

Subject: RE: BS: Pick nose, Pick butt, Pick Kerry
From: Big Mick
Date: 02 Nov 04 - 05:18 PM

Your paranoia is really going a mile a minute these days. The truth is that other than responding to you when you say things that I believe need challenging, or when you are being cruel, I don't spend any time on you. When you try and make this case with Charmion, I believe you waste time as she knows me personally. She also knows what I am about.

GUEST, it is a real shame that you just can't bring yourself to act in a decent fashion. My offer was sincere, and it wasn't the first time I have made sincere offers. But your offer of peace only if I agree to not respond to anything you say is not even reasonable. What you are really saying is that you don't want to be accountable for the positions you take.

My offer stands, and so does my bottom line. I will respond to posts that I think need responding to. If you are being rude and nasty, then I will point that out. Respond if you want, don't if you don't want.

Shame, really. I believe we could actually do some good by showing different approaches to the same problems.

Subject: RE: BS: Pick nose, Pick butt, Pick Kerry
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Nov 04 - 05:28 PM

Let's just say Mick, I got quite the education about Max, about Mudcat, and about you and the other Mudcat's clones when I went to my service provider.

You've done a bit more than just respond to my posts, shall we say?

Subject: RE: BS: Pick nose, Pick butt, Pick Kerry
From: Amos
Date: 02 Nov 04 - 06:27 PM

Guest:

Your statement is just innuendo -- you giveno facts of substance. Why do you not cite details?

A

Subject: RE: BS: Pick nose, Pick butt, Pick Kerry
From: GUEST,Bugsy
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 12:19 AM

The Guest from hell and Big Mick
Had a hell of a bone to pick
They growled and gnawed
They hemmed and they hawed
'Til both ended up with a sore dick.

B

Subject: RE: BS: Pick nose, Pick butt, Pick Kerry
From: GUEST,
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 06:22 PM