Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 01 Dec 05 - 11:49 PM

I will resist the way this thread has strayed from its title, and instead offer a quotation.

In response to a fellow folkie from the US's request for advice on where to find music, clubs and sessions during a future visit to the UK:

"Subject: RE: English folk clubs & pub singing
From: The Shambles - PM
Date: 01 Dec 05 - 06:48 AM

Perhaps you should write to The Department Of Culture, Media and Sport
and ask them?

http://www.culture.gov.uk/global/press_notices/archive_2005/dcms166_05.htm?month=November&properties=archive%5F2005%2C%2Fglobal%2Fpress%5Fnotices%2F%2C

I am perfectly serious, it would be useful for them to receive such a request and interesting to read their reply."

When someone is so focused on him/herself and his/her causes to the exclusion of normal civility; when someone opens numerous new threads under false titles to make his/her points; when someone ignores all advice and instead clutters up and spoils threads; when that same someone wages war on others simply for disagreeing with him/her; then it is time to pull the plug on such a waste of time and space.

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: The Shambles
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 06:53 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_standard

The following extract from the above.

There is a subtle distinction to be made between double standards and hypocricy. The latter implies the acceptance of a single standard, but the disregard of it in practice. A man who believes that he has a right to have extra-marital affairs but his wife does not holds a double standard. A man who condemns all adultery while maintaining a mistress is a hypocrite.


Subject: RE: In the UK......? (thread title change complain
From: El Greko - PM
Date: 12 Aug 05 - 03:48 PM

Joe,

Shambles is just a hypocrite. Don't elevate him to asshole status. Assholes have their uses.

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El Greko also says-

When someone is so focused on him/herself and his/her causes to the exclusion of normal civility; when someone opens numerous new threads under false titles to make his/her points; when someone ignores all advice and instead clutters up and spoils threads; when that same someone wages war on others simply for disagreeing with him/her; then it is time to pull the plug on such a waste of time and space.

Good job I didn't mention the dirty knife

All posters have the choice to respond or ignore what is posted. Is it helpful to encourage the idea that they have some choice over what others choose to post or some right to judge the contributions of others?

But what a short memory some posters appear to have? For what judgement would El Greko make of a poster who can go to the lengths of inventing a whole new Mudcat identity to start a thread in which this new identity can argue with themselves and others?

Mudcat censorship – a proposal

What all of these abusive personal attacks and public judgements simply boil down to – is that a poster holds, expresses and evidences a view that does not appear to be a popular one. And a less than positive response to this seems to be encouraged or tolerated by some posters who should perhaps know better. Perhaps it will be finally accepted that if any view is politely worded – such a view has every right to appear and be discussed civilly on our forum by those who wish to? And those who do not wish to – are perfectly free to ignore any view they wish?

When this is finally accepted – perhaps those who are prepared to can be allowed to move on and be permitted to discuss all the issues involved in the selective imposed censorship on our forum – without all of the personally motivated and hysterical static?

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 07:22 AM

Oh nooo, please Roger, don't, it hurts to laugh so much. Seeking to counterattack only to prove my point - bless you! But don't bust a vessel now...

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 07:25 AM

By the way, Roger, of course you are allowed to move on. I for one wish you would, too.

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: The Shambles
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 07:34 AM

Subject: BS: Mudcat censorship - a proposal
From: Xanadu - PM
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 06:55 AM

I have watched the "Censorship on Mudcat" thread with dismay, as more and more attacks were made at Roger (Shambles) and the main issue became clouded.

In an attempt to get back to the basics, I am starting this thread with a suggestion for how and when to apply censorship on this forum, using elements of "constitutions" of other forums I attend.

Whatever the outcome of this discussion, it need not be applied to Mudcat; that is the prerogative of Max as the forum owner. But at least we can come to some agreement on the direction censorship could take.

Here are a few simple rules:

1. Monitoring (and censorship) of threads can be delegated to volunteers, who should be NAMED and announced and should always sign with their Mudcat handle in order to censor or modify or comment on a posting.

2. Ideally such monitors (or "clones" as they are often referred to) should only hold the position for a maximum term of 1 year.

3. The reasoning for any thread closure or post deletion should be announced publicly as a separate thread. This will allow discussion of the reasoning to take place without cluttering the original thread.

4. Legitimate reasons for post deletion can only be:
   a) potentially libellous statements
   b) overtly racist remarks

5. Legitimate reasons for amending a post can only be:
   a) to delete personal information given in a post
   b) to delete web links to pornographic or racist sites

That's it. What do you think?

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 07:56 AM

Verbosity is like flatulence. They both stink.

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 07:58 AM

However, "like" should not be taken to mean "the same as". So a verbose hypocrite should not be confused with an asshole - my point further up.

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: The Shambles
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 07:43 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat censorship - a proposal
From: Wolfgang - PM
Date: 07 Apr 05 - 05:50 AM

Is it fuck-as-hit-piss or
fuck-a-shit-piss?

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 07:48 PM

Obsession is nine points of the law.

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: The Shambles
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 07:56 PM

The following less noteworthy Mudcat quotation and the inserted editing comment should make anyone smile......... Well that is anyone with a sense of humour.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat censorship - a proposal
From: Big Mick - PM
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 06:43 PM

This should prove to you the appropriate way to deal with this person. Ignore him, and he will refresh very old threads to get attention. It proves what I have always said. He is a classic troll. This is his bait. Please don't take it. He will now launch into lengthy diatribe and a spate of cut and paste out of context quotes. Please don't feed him.

It is very tempting to delete all posts back to Roger's 'refresh', but that would only feed his paranoia. Another JC

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: Jeri
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 08:14 PM

Irony lives.

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: BaldEagle2
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 08:48 PM

Ee - by gum!

I treks off for a few weeks doing thingy-wotsits elsewhere, and when I get back I find that our poor Shambles is yet once more at the middle of another hell-fire controversy : a controversy of which not one bit has in any way been caused by anything he has said, done or written.

Sheesh!   Why can't you all leave the poor man alone?

Dragnabbit!   Now I shall have to call a meeting of the DKSS a.s.a.p. and get some help for our poor beleaguered champion of freedom of speech.

Don't worry Shambles, we members of the Dirty Knives Secret Society are on your side.

(er ... you couldn't possibly spare a few seconds of your extemely precious time to say a few words of encouragement to the members of the DKSS, could you, Shambles old chap?   - we are very disappointed that you never turn up to any of our secret meetings ....)

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: The Shambles
Date: 03 Dec 05 - 02:31 AM

http://www.ibras.dk/montypython/episode03.htm#5

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: The Shambles
Date: 15 Dec 05 - 01:53 PM

Subject: RE: R.I.P. MUDCAT
From: Jeri - PM
Date: 12 Dec 05 - 11:34 AM

Mooh, I suppose it might be a better place if we all quit reacting to our favorite irritants, whether they're anonymous guests or people slagging anonymous guests, whether they're Mudcat's problems or people commenting on Mudcat's problems, or somebody who's just commenting on All of the Above, as I'm wont to do on occasion. It's just that the threads that seem to inspire the most passion and the greatest number of posts are ones that piss us off. Me too, and I really don't like it when I get caught up in that game. Maybe it was always this way and I never paid much attention to it. I think RiB is right in saying Mudcat's changed. I wouldn't expect it not to. I miss some of what got lost in the process, and I could do without some of what got added, but it is what it is.

It's nice though, the Mudcat seems to have gotten out of the morgue and back into the hospital.

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Dec 05 - 01:58 PM

Anything by Shambles.

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 15 Dec 05 - 02:31 PM

I saw that this thread had been reincarnated, and I thought, 'Bet it was Roger revived it'
G.

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 15 Dec 05 - 04:40 PM

If we all chip in, can we get him a life for Christmas?

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 15 Dec 05 - 05:14 PM

A life isn't just for Christmas. A life is for life.

Don T.

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 Dec 05 - 02:02 AM

Subject: RE: R.I.P. MUDCAT
From: Big Mick - PM
Date: 16 Dec 05 - 06:03 PM

The point is a valid one. Folks that have never offered anything but criticism also never contribute to the upkeep of this site in any way.

Mick

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Subject: RE: R.I.P. MUDCAT
From: Big Mick - PM
Date: 17 Dec 05 - 11:03 AM

Contributions, as I have used it, was not meant to solely indicate financial support. I would hope it was evident in my post. Everyone contributes in one way or another. If your only contribution is criticism, a know it all attitude, or personal attacks, you are not worth much here. I know many of our most valuable contributors have never donated a dime. But the place wouldn't be the same without them. I think that is spirit of it.

Mick

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Dec 05 - 11:35 AM

Presumably Shambles has some reason for posting those last quotes from Big Mick. I'd hope that was to indicate he agreed with what Mick was saying, which seems eminently sensible...

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: The Shambles
Date: 20 Dec 05 - 02:16 AM

Contributions, as I have used it, was not meant to solely indicate financial support. I would hope it was evident in my post.

Perhaps it was the use of the word 'upkeep' in the first post may lead many of us to think that it was 'evident' that it was the provision of financial support that was being referred to?

And felt by the poster to now entitle them and certain other posters to pass judgement upon and to call their fellow posters names?

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 20 Dec 05 - 05:10 AM

The noun upkeep has 2 meanings:

Meaning #1: activity involved in maintaining something in good working order
Synonyms: care, maintenance

Meaning #2: the act of sustaining
Synonyms: sustenance, sustentation, sustainment, maintenance.

Read learn, and inwardly digest!

G.

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: The Shambles
Date: 20 Dec 05 - 06:42 AM

See the first post in this thread.

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 20 Dec 05 - 07:03 AM

It does say "No need to reply" but then, "There's none so blind as those that will not see".
G

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: Big Mick
Date: 20 Dec 05 - 08:14 AM

Shambles, this shows you for what you are. I know you are very busy cryin' and complainin'. Perhaps that explains why you left off the third quote. Let me help you out. Here it is:

Subject: RE: R.I.P. MUDCAT
From: Big Mick - PM
Date: 17 Dec 05 - 10:34 PM

Nice try, but you won't suck me into this one. Get your pitiful need for argument somewhere else.

Folks, don't feed this one. He gets so panicky when people don't respond.

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: The Shambles
Date: 20 Dec 05 - 11:17 AM

No need for me to panic then - when you are around....*Smiles*

Happy Christams Mick

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 20 Dec 05 - 11:52 AM

Is terminal smugness fatal?
G. ☻

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: Peace
Date: 20 Dec 05 - 11:58 AM

Terminal stupidity can be.

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: The Shambles
Date: 20 Dec 05 - 12:05 PM

Terminal anything tends to be pretty fatal.

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 20 Dec 05 - 12:39 PM

Yet some people still hang around and confound medical science!
G ☻

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: GUEST,jOhn
Date: 21 Dec 05 - 06:31 AM

Shambles-=you are a moany old fart, somebody should take your computer off you, and put you in a home.

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: Epona
Date: 21 Dec 05 - 09:29 AM

I needed something to make me laugh this morning, and this thread is it! Thanks a million!

E

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: The Shambles
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 01:31 PM

Subject: RE: Affected by The Licensing Act 2003
From: John 'Giok' MacKenzie - PM
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 12:52 PM

Shouldn't the title of this thread have (England) added to it??
G..

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 02:06 PM

"Subject: BS: Wanker's Register
From: The Shambles - PM
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 02:15 AM

I see we have a Lurker's Register so why not a Wanker's Register for self-confessed wankers?

I think that may have 'bashed the Bishop' myself once when I was younger - but I did not inhale................."

Which confirms our deepest suspicions!
G..

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 03:57 PM

I decided to revist this thread and yes, it really does suck. the one post I did prior to this one got bleeped because it obviously offended someone for being vulgar. funny thing, I can't remember what I posted. But I really think that only just a couple get offended and the rest laugh pretty hard.

this is the usual double standard here, where judgements, many of them poor are made on what is and what is not in bad taste. I believe some moderators really need to grow some skin.

Do you some of you male moderators (are there any female clones?) sit down when you pee?

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: Peace
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 04:00 PM

I have hit the age where I automatically pee when I sit down. I stand lots.

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: GUEST,Martin gibson
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 04:12 PM

At your age, how do you manage to get your pants down in time?

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: Peace
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 04:18 PM

That's just it. I don't. I pee five time a night. I am happy when I also get out of bed five times a night.

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: GUEST,Martin gibson
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 04:24 PM

Well, for me lately it's been only once, maybe twice a night. You have to try to not drink so much liquids in the evening.

But I think some moderators sit when they pee even during the day time. It goes with being easily offended I think.

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: bobad
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 04:30 PM

Had your prostate checked out lately ? An enlarged prostate will cause urinary frequency.

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: GUEST,Martin gibson
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 05:51 PM

Mine's fine. doc recently checked. You are right though about it causeing problems.

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 07:17 PM

Hmmm......

Martin having his prostate checked.....

Must resist the temptation to comment.........

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: GUEST,Mr Masculinity
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 08:14 PM

I usually pee sitting down, Martin, and I am a MAN. That's right. You wanna know why I pee sitting down? Well, it's really simple. As a boy I did what I was instructed to do and peed standing up. I did that for years and years. What happens when you do that is, you frequently spill a few drops on various parts of the toilet where you don't necessarily want them...specially just at the start. It's messy.

It finally hit me one day that there was no particular reason for a guy to pee standing up when he has a toilet to sit on. None at all, in fact, except the irrational fear that it "isn't manly". Well, I had to overcome that fear, Martin, and OOOOOH BOY was it TOUGH! I was terrified that someone might think me to be a wuss, not a man, if I peed sitting down....like a girl!!!!

Sheesh. The terror. I can't tell you.

I decided I had to beat this irrational fear. Finally, one day, I gritted my teeth, dropped my pants, and SAT on the toilet....and peed!

Much to my surprise, the skies did not part. No thunderbolt from God came down to fry me. My testicles did not shrivel up and fall off! Nothing bad happened at all.

It took several weeks of nervousness before it finally hit me...there IS no reason why a man can't or shouldn't pee sitting down...if there's a toilet available....and it keeps the toilet nice and clean on the seat and outside parts. Less trouble for whoever cleans it. And it's relaxing too. Very soothing to pee sitting down.

There are courses in overcoming the fear of peeing sitting down, Martin, and I seriously suggest you take one. You will feel so liberated when you overcome the fear of what others may think. You will discover that your masculinity is still intact.

Do it now! And save time on cleaning up afterward. And remember, you CAN still pee standing up when at urinals or outside.

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 08:28 PM

Heh! At last a really funny thread. It makes for a great break from the political ones.

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: GUEST,Mr Masculinity
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 09:04 PM

You have the nerve to call me a disgrace? Me? The fittest representative of the male gender in all of Massachusetts? I'll tell you what you are, Martin Gibson. You're a currish fen-sucked malt-worm, a mammering tardy-gaited nut-hook, a pestilential nattering cutpurse, an impertinent toad-spotted haggard, and a simpering gutless know-nothing son of slagheap slattern! I wouldn't rate your masculinity much above that of a common freshwater mollusc. You are as slippery as a squid and as ugly as a squashed hemp worm. Go back to your noisome and filthy quarters and ponder your own multitudinous sins, you wretched infertile maundering and colossal nincompoop!

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: Peace
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 09:06 PM

Holy shit. I AM gonna vote for the Marijuana Party in January.

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: Peace
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 09:07 PM

However, those are Shakespearean insults. Read many of 'em all before.

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: GUEST,Mr Masculinity
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 09:12 PM

For sooth, Peace. Thou hast me at a disadvantage. And just when I was warming to the craft! Note that the scoundrel Martin has slunk off, tail between his legs, like the cowardly cur that he is. I always wax Shakespearian when I am wroth. The man curdles my blood. He is the sort that should be extinguished like a smelly candle, stamped out like a used up cigarette butt, ripped out like a bad tooth.

How dare he question my masculinity? It is legendary.

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: GUEST,William Shatner
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 09:16 PM

100!

Not as legendary as mine, pal. Get a new shtick.

Subject: RE: Less Noteworthy Mudcat Quotations
From: GUEST,Mr Masculinity
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 09:18 PM

Oh, give me a break! You are a fat, talentless has-been, Shatner. I can't believe you have the nerve to carry on your ridiculous "career". Go back to Montreal, for God's sake, and give us all a reprieve, sir.