BS: House of Reps has Votes to Impeach Obama

Subject: RE: BS: House of Reps has Votes to Impeach Obama
From: Elmore
Date: 17 Feb 14 - 08:50 AM

The President has been treated with disrespect by all sorts of politicians, talk show hosts, and know nothings since he first took office. Couldn't be racial prejudice, could it?

Subject: RE: BS: House of Reps has Votes to Impeach Obama
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Feb 14 - 09:10 AM

There will always be people who don't like the president for one reason or other, some reasons justified and others not. Hence the Secret Service. That said, just because a person is elected to an office doesn't mean that s/he's automatically worthy of respect; nor is the office. Respect comes with accomplishment. There was little worthy of respect in Bush's reign, and many people think not much worthy of respect in Obama's reign. Suck it up, buttercup. Such is life.

Subject: RE: BS: House of Reps has Votes to Impeach Obama
From: Elmore
Date: 17 Feb 14 - 10:37 AM

buttercup?

Subject: RE: BS: House of Reps has Votes to Impeach Obama
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Feb 14 - 11:33 AM

its not the fact that Obama is being criticised - or abused even. its the nature of the abuse that is discomfiting - it sounds racist and scary.

Subject: RE: BS: House of Reps has Votes to Impeach Obama
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Feb 14 - 12:08 PM

The House also has the votes to deny climate change and support creationism.

The Repubs are a bunch of fundagelical morons; have been for decades.

This is NEWS?

Subject: RE: BS: House of Reps has Votes to Impeach Obama
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Feb 14 - 05:41 PM

The buttercup wasn't directed at you--or anyone else for that matter--Elmore. Improper use of an old expression for which I apologize.

Subject: RE: BS: House of Reps has Votes to Impeach Obama
From: Sawzaw
Date: 19 Feb 14 - 12:03 PM

"We're going to punish our enemies and we're gonna reward our friends"

"If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun"

"I had learned not to care. I blew a few smoke rings, remembering those years. Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow* when you could afford it."

*benzoylmethylecgonine AKA Coke, Cocaine

Should Bush be impeached?:
"Not because he is a now-dry alcoholic, cocaine user, slow to learn, messianic born-again beanwad and a pseudo-Christo fascist, but because he broke the law, lied and has lost the people's trust as well as having besmirched the good name of America around the globe."

Subject: RE: BS: House of Reps has Votes to Impeach Obama
From: Sawzaw
Date: 19 Feb 14 - 12:38 PM

2008 "First, we'll commit ourselves to getting one million 150 mile-per-gallon plug-in hybrid cars on our roads within six years. And we'll make sure these cars are built not in Japan, not in China, but right here in the United States of America." And the crowd cheers.

what is the major source of the electricity to charge these mythical cars? Coal which is creates more pollution and C02 than gasoline.
Sierra Club: "A caveat to consider is that when coal plants supply the majority of the power in a given area, electric vehicles may emit more CO2 and SO2 pollution than hybrid electric vehicles."
In 2012, the United States generated about 4,054 billion kilowatthours of electricity. About 68% of the electricity generated was from fossil fuel. 37% from coal

A moot point because there are only 1an estimated 28,806 EVs in the US as of 6 November 2013, Slightly short of the 1 million Mr Obama's is committed to.

Subject: RE: BS: House of Reps has Votes to Impeach Obama
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 19 Feb 14 - 01:37 PM

Its Nuclear where I live.
and more and more coal plants are being replaced by natural gas and renewable sources.

You get points for trying though.
At least you are giving a 2008 response to a 2008 speech.

Did President Obama to get to implement all of the policies with regards to energy? If the carbon tax had passed. That vision would probably be a reality.

Also,

"We'll commit ourselves" isn't the same as saying "This will happen or Sawzaw will get to say "I told you so."

Subject: RE: BS: House of Reps has Votes to Impeach Obama
From: Sawzaw
Date: 21 Feb 14 - 12:26 AM

At Monday's news conference, President ***** angrily denied that he is using unchecked or dictatorial powers. But how else can you characterize his behavior? What tyrant hasn't claimed the need to use extra legal powers to protect the motherland or fatherland from some threat? How much Orwellian doublespeak can this coun-try tolerate?

Subject: RE: BS: House of Reps has Votes to Impeach Obama
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Feb 14 - 12:33 AM

"what is the major source of the electricity to charge these mythical cars? Coal which is creates more pollution and C02 than gasoline."

But it is generated at a centralized location where CCS can be performed (try chasing millions of cars around with hoses), and the night time charging provides energy saving load balancing. Don't spew talking points on subjects you know nothing about asshole.

Subject: RE: BS: House of Reps has Votes to Impeach Obama
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 21 Feb 14 - 02:02 PM

What an idiotic thread. Caution- mental defectives at work.

Any president may be impeached by a hostile House of Representatives, but the trial is conducted in the Senate. If the president (or other government official) has a friendly majority in the Senate, the House vote is meaningless.

Subject: RE: BS: House of Reps has Votes to Impeach Obama
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 21 Feb 14 - 03:26 PM

If the impeaching party has less than 60 % of the Senate, the House vote is meaningless. as are over 40 votes to defund the ACA.


Songwronger just uses news items as an excuse to tell all he doesn't like the President.

Subject: RE: BS: House of Reps has Votes to Impeach Obama
From: Sawzaw
Date: 21 Feb 14 - 03:45 PM

Kindly inform this asshole where CCS IS being performed?

Also any evidence that Obama cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term in office.

Where are the million plug in cars?

Subject: RE: BS: House of Reps has Votes to Impeach Obama
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Feb 14 - 04:11 PM

Yours was a hypothetical.
If we had the electric cars, we could also do CSS.
You were dismissing the concept.
And you got caught.
You don't understand the actual issues, you repeat talking points.
You had to Google CSS didn't you?!
Of course you did.

Subject: RE: BS: House of Reps has Votes to Impeach Obama
From: Sawzaw
Date: 21 Feb 14 - 04:57 PM

There is no CCS being done. It is not known if it will ever be done.
There are only approx 28,000 plug in electric cars in the US.

If you have other facts, please present them instead of your talking points and vicious ad hominem attacks.

"If we had" does not point to a fact.
"CCS could be done" is not a fact until it is being done.
Actually the use of "if" and "could" indicate things that have not happened and therefore are not of any substance.

And where are any facts to support your talking point about the deficit "was" cut in half?


Carbon Capture and Storage is a losing propositon as it is estimated to require an additional 30% to 40% of the plant's electrical output to accomplish this task. In addition, coal plants already utilize 12 to 15% of their produced energy to clean their emissions (precipitators for ash, SO2 & NOX removal for the bad GHG gasses); and they still produce volumes of GHG gasses.

Subject: RE: BS: House of Reps has Votes to Impeach Obama
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Feb 14 - 10:12 PM

Grand Coulee dam, Bonneville dam, Ross dam, Snake River dam, McNary dam, etc.

Hydro power up here in the Pacific Northwest. Not only do the dams provide electrical power here, but we wind up selling electrical power to other states, such as California. Also, the dams provide irrigation for farmland, and orchards and vineyards in Washington and Oregon.

Rainfall and snowfall provide lots of water. We swim in it, fish in it, ski on it, and eventually light our houses and power our electric cars with it.

Non-polluting. No CCS required.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: House of Reps has Votes to Impeach Obama
From: Sawzaw
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 11:07 AM

Hydro power is what percentage?
On average, 37% of the electricity to recharge the plug ins is produced by burning coal.

Where I live, by paying extra, you can opt in to 100% wind power. You still get the same mixture of sources but it makes you "feel good" just like the other so called environmentally friendly "feel good" activities. Like Gasohol.

Will the world build 1,200 new coal plants?
Brad Plumer Washington Post

Climate scientists have sometimes warned that it could prove impossible to avoid high levels of global warming unless the world stops building new coal-fired plants. But that's not a simple proposition. Across the globe, there are at least 1,199 coal plants now on the drawing board, according to a new report from the World Resources Institute.

Many of these proposed new plants are in China and India, which account for 76 percent of proposed capacity. Turkey and Russia also have big plans. And a growing number of coal plants are being proposed for developing countries such as Cambodia, Guatemala and Uzbekistan, nations that are looking to cut-rate sources of energy to fuel economic growth.

Subject: RE: BS: House of Reps has Votes to Impeach Obama
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 12:07 PM

It's no surprise that carbon capture and storage (CSS) isn't happening, it is mostly a pipe dream by the coal industry as part of their suggestion that there is such a thing as "clean coal."

DOE's Carbon Sequestration Program is focused on geologic storage of captured CO2 that would otherwise be emitted to the atmosphere. Applied research is being conducted to develop and test different approaches to CCS. Technology testing and development through the Regional Carbon Sequestration Partnership (RCSP) Initiative and other entities will be instrumental to the commercial deployment of CCS. DOE's vision is to fully understand the available CCS options, cost factors, environmental implications, and technological options.

Don, the trouble with damming rivers in the PNW is that it clobbers cultures that were dependent upon the fish and seasonal flooding of those rivers and it submerged a lot of good agricultural land along the shorlines. The Colville reservation is one where the former fishing culture now gets their salmon in cans from the USDA. Not a happy outcome.

There aren't votes to impeach Obama, this thread was another bit of vitriol started by Songwronger. Has it run it's course?

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: House of Reps has Votes to Impeach Obama
From: Don Firth
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 03:15 PM

Granted, hydropower, especially when it dams rivers like the Columbia, is a mixed blessing. Among other things, it cuts off the usual salmon spawning grounds, unless adequate fish ladders or other bypasses are constructed (and I believe such provisions have been made on the Columbia).

The Colville tribe definitely took a hit with the building of the Grand Coulee dam. But at the same time, the resultant reservoir provided the water to turn an otherwise pretty unproductive prairie east of the Cascades into highly productive farmland, orchards, and vineyards. But as I say, not an unmixed blessing.

A big hassle right now is the move on the coal industry to run coal trains through the Puget Sound area to ship vast quantities of the stuff to China! For one thing, they can't be bothered to pull tarps over the uncovered gondola coal cars, so clouds of coal dust blow off as the trains roll by and drift out and around wherever the trains run. Right through a couple of cities! Black lung disease, anybody!??

Then, the ultimate destination of the coal:   China!

Here is the result of all that coal that China burns to produce electrical power:    CLICKY #1. And CLICKY #2.

And this is not at dusk, it's during the DAY!

On its worst day, smog in Los Angeles runs about 93 parts per million.

In Beijing, it characteristically runs about 700+!!

If you want to see a sunrise or a sunset in Beijing, you can watch a tape they play on television ….

And given the prevailing winds, jet stream and all, and given a bit of time, we get it right back here!!

So with due apologies to the Colville indian tribe and to the Columbia River salmon, I'm glad that when I turn on the electric heater on a chilly day, I'm not requiring that someone throw another shovelful of coal into the hopper.

Don Firth