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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: Ed T Date: 29 Nov 14 - 10:27 AM "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups." ― George Carlin |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: Musket Date: 29 Nov 14 - 02:02 PM But you don't have a view that I wrote posts by others. Mainly because I didn't and as you read this on the internet, where you get all your judgements anyway, you can now stop lying. My posts are being deleted on this thread whilst posts from bigots, lying about me remain. Comments about the other Muskets are too. To clarify, only Musket Ian tends to write in the music section, the other two of us, we post as guests in our names there. We all post as one below the line because we cannot believe some of the crap on the BS section as being fitting for an excellent music website, so we take the piss. Pathetic that gay people can have distressing lying hatred written about their sexuality but when they reply, they get deleted. The homophobic bigots can print lies and distortions but then complain about those who stand up to them. Mudcat? I doubt Max meant it this way. It isn't Max's fault that a criminal posts hatred and a UKIP member defends him, says he is a member, then says he isn't, then supports homophobia on these threads whilst saying he isn't. Then we are subjected to a concerted effort by them both to let them post their hatred and contempt? If you hadn't noticed, if Musket didn't challenge you, there are plenty others on here who see you both for what you are. And what you are is laid out clearly and precisely in your own posts. I repeat. None of the three people posting as Musket are the person posting as Seaham Cemetery. That said, I believe Musket Ian knows him, and knows his father very well. I certainly don't. I live in Scotland for starters and have never met him. The other two Muskets were at our wedding a few weeks ago here in Inveraray. |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: Musket Date: 29 Nov 14 - 02:21 PM (This is where the good idea to share a persona over a pint starts getting a bit daft..) Fully agree with "me." Akenaton says the most outrageous things that nobody should be allowed to read on public websites without warnings as you enter. To help,prevent this, Mudcat had moderation. The moderation does not work, hence THIS Musket alerted his ISP to the published hatred, as law abiding citizens who care for the feelings of others can do. As two of the Muskets are often on a public sector VPN, the ISP is NHSNet, as well as BT. Anyway, leave this to the others. I'm waiting for a 7.15 taxi now. Table booked for 8. Just to say that wherever I see bigotry, odious views and disgraceful comments, they will never, ever go unchallenged. If that upsets those who think they can get away with behaviour that is downright disgusting, Good. I refer people to the excellent post by Troubadour above. (Do you think one of us wrote that too Keith?) |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: MGM·Lion Date: 29 Nov 14 - 03:08 PM This is getting intolerably confusing. Is it really permissible for a consortium of three people to post under the same name -- the two of them who are nor members & post under different names, it appears, as 'Guests' in the top section but presumably having access to the BS threads on the coat-tails of the member one in BS --- have lost track now of what point I was going to make. But are such practices permissible here, Mods? If not, please put a stop to them; if so, then I respectfully submit that it is unacceptably confusing and intrusive. Confused. Exercised. Mixed up ---- The one and only, unique, inimitable, beware of all fakes and imitations ········· ≈MGM·Lion≈ ≈≈Grr·ROARrr·Rrr!≈≈ |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: Ed T Date: 29 Nov 14 - 04:16 PM "If 4 out of 5 people SUFFER from diarrhea…does that mean that 1 enjoys it?" ― George Carlin |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: Big Al Whittle Date: 29 Nov 14 - 04:19 PM perhaps it might be an idea for ake and musket to set up separate website. somewhere they could tell the dastardly truth about each other. leave no dark muttering unexplained. ,,,, dogs, ukip, homophobia, multiple personalities... For as the late Dame Edith Evans said when asked her character's motivation, i'm afraid you are confusing me with someone who gives a shit.... |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: Ed T Date: 29 Nov 14 - 04:23 PM "It's important in life if you don't give a shit. It can help you a lot." ― George Carlin |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: GUEST Date: 29 Nov 14 - 04:31 PM ...not really recommended as a Christmas gift.... Gwynplaine (The Man who Laughs) |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: Ed T Date: 29 Nov 14 - 04:35 PM ""Multiple profile disorder (MPD) is a social networking disorder characterized by having at least one "alter" personality that controls behavior. The "alters" are said to occur spontaneously and involuntarily, and function more or less independently of each other. They may be evident by posts that are not characteristic of the known person and seem widely out of normal character. Some of the posts may be offensive and unfiltered. The unity of consciousness, by which we identify our selves, is said to be absent in MPD. Another symptom of MPD is spontaneous posts in conjuction with amnesia, which can't be explained by ordinary forgetfulness."" Source: the Urban dictionary |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: Ed T Date: 29 Nov 14 - 09:29 PM ""History isn't a story that comes to any kind of conclusion. Human conflict changes its shape along with new technologies and shifts in power, but it doesn't go away. At bottom, this is what so many people find unthinkable - the fact that intractable conflict will continue to shape our lives in future as it has done in the past."" Does anybody ever 'think the unthinkable'? |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: Musket Date: 30 Nov 14 - 03:16 AM Good idea Al. Ignore the bigotry then scratch your head when racism, homophobia, misogyny and blaming others becomes mainstream. Who knows, someone might form a political party on the basis if he feels enough people are desensitised and stick their head in the ground. Ooh, look. Someone already has. 🎁🎋🎉🎊 Let's all fucking celebrate. |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 30 Nov 14 - 05:19 AM For the record, I have never claimed any party membership except I was a Green member for a while a long time ago. Certainly not UKIP. |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: Musket Date: 30 Nov 14 - 11:15 AM Get the moderators to delete the post where you referred to them as "we" then. Additionally, get my post immediately after it where I challenged the "we" and your subsequent defence of them. If I condemn you at all in any way for any subject reason, I condemn the words put by Keith A of Hertford. If you think otherwise, you have delusions of grandeur. |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 30 Nov 14 - 03:55 PM You have tried this smear before so you are deliberately lying about it. To answer a question in a thread, I quoted from their site. The spokesperson spoke of we. On at least two previous occasions I showed you that the passage was still on their site. It is not much of a smear as smears go, but it is a lie. I do not even support them and I have never posted anything that supports them. If that is not true, put up an example. You are a devious and dishonest person to make lying attacks on a member just because we disagree on some issues. |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: Big Al Whittle Date: 30 Nov 14 - 11:10 PM i still think a separate website where you resolve your various issues would be the best thing. most of us don't anything about all these arguments and it is a distraction and disruption of our group conversation about patriotism. granted you have to speak up and save the world from animal cruelty, misogny, homophobia and dying of yellow jack. but be a good lad and fuck off and do it somewhere else. |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: Musket Date: 01 Dec 14 - 02:31 AM In the meantime, have a site for whinging about how life can be a shit sandwich. Oh, look. Someone has done it for you. It's called Mudcat BS. You have to look carefully though, weave your way through the unchallenged bigotry. Still, if bigotry doesn't jar you but someone happy with his lot does, I'm not sure you can be helped. Keith. 98% (2% to include "you lose" etc) of your posts are cut and paste but you seem quite happy to portray them as your opinion. |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: akenaton Date: 01 Dec 14 - 03:42 AM Keith backs up his views by posting the opinions of experts, he is providing a service to those who are too lazy or incompetent to educate themselves. You three, or is it four? simply make assertions, personal opinions and outright lies....which of course cannot be supported by any creditable source. |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Dec 14 - 03:54 AM Frotho: "Goofus, I note that you don't have any kind of intelligent response to my comments about Ayn Rand and the substantial political influence her writings are having on current politics. Never heard of her, right?" I DID answer your dumb post...you just bullshitted AGAIN, to keep from answering mine! Take some Viagra...and get plenty of sleep! GfS |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Dec 14 - 04:26 AM ...and as long as you're citing FICTIONAL NOVELS as your references, I suggest you read some, Carlo Collodi....in your case, it works better than Viagra! GfS P.S. Carlo Collodi, was the author of 'Pinocchio'....oh, literate one! |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: Musket Date: 01 Dec 14 - 04:47 AM Lies? A bit rich if you don't mind me saying so. Oh, you do mind? Good Luckily I live in Scotland, and in an area of Scotland that welcomes all and goes out of its way to welcome me, a gay Englishman. Now, what were those fantasies you came out with about "people around here?" At bell ringing recently, I mentioned you. The ringing master had me in stitches. Seems everybody laughs at you, not with you. I might even drive a detour to look at that wall... |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 01 Dec 14 - 05:09 AM Re. lies, remember your claim of advanced knowledge of HIV trends. The full report is now out and it was not true. |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 01 Dec 14 - 10:24 AM You claimed hetero numbers increasing. They fell. |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 01 Dec 14 - 10:24 AM You claimed hetero numbers increasing. They fell. |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: Musket Date: 01 Dec 14 - 12:05 PM Any chance of not deleting my posts? Keith is rattling on as if I said the opposite of what he is saying. I said what he has been reading, although what he has read isn't quite what he is saying. As usual. |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: GUEST,Troubadour Date: 01 Dec 14 - 12:26 PM "That said, I think the USA has the best idea for how to run a country." That, I find kind of odd Mrrzy. I would suggest that there are few forms of government less democratic than a corporatocracy in which the 40% (minority) TAIL wags the 60% (majority) DOG, while one man carries the authority to VETO any decision which they may, by some mischance, actually arrive at. I would actually claim that the UK Constitutional Monarchy is significantly more democratic,with its apolitical head of state who does not possess any practical power or authority, and a parliament which operates on the basis that the majority rules, a majority being 51%, or failing that a plurality of those voting (i.e. the largest vote carries the day). |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: akenaton Date: 01 Dec 14 - 12:31 PM "Now, what were those fantasies you came out with about "people around here?" At bell ringing recently, I mentioned you. The ringing master had me in stitches. Seems everybody laughs at you, not with you. I might even drive a detour to look at that wall... " What on earth are you on about Musket 1 2 or 3? You are homosexuals? why didn't you mention that before...could have explained a lot. Moderators, how can anyone hold a discussion with multiple personas? |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: Musket Date: 01 Dec 14 - 12:38 PM Just in case anyone is sad enough to recall when Keith was interpreting HIV data in a way to substantiate Akenaton's desire to force gay people but nobody else to be registered and undergo invasive medical testing... I gave an overview of preliminary figures that were not yet in the public domain, although at the time I thought they were. However, they now are and say what I said they say. Bear in mind the only reason this is being discussed is the wish of Keith and Akenaton to vilify gay men, which is rather sick, but let's carry on. The advent of CCG and consequent public health being local government rathe than PCT reporting means historical figures have to be extrapolated for England rather than compared as boundaries have altered since April 2013. This was something Keith called a smokescreen, but the rest of us call the unnecessary reorganisation of The NHS. in other words, it happened... There is a decline in MSM diagnosed late. This is good news, and the ongoing early MSM diagnosis is a sign that the stigma Keith and other bigots push is not working, as more people are heeding health advice and coming forward. Women diagnosed is up 5%, in line with all diagnoses, which is concerning of course, but in line with what I said. More women receive anal sex than men, according to FCE figures. There is very recent (since the 2013 interim report) evidence to suggest most of the undiagnosed MSM is very recent. This is a concern, but has no bearing on earlier discussion as it is a new dimension. There is an overall small drop in heterosexual infection, largely due to fewer sub Sahara diagnoses, making Euro heterosexual infections slightly higher overall, and in line with the increase in women. The other heterosexual infection comment from the report, which should be borne in mind is The number of reports among people who probably acquired HIV in The UK remains high at around 1500 per year." Not quite Keith's claim of them falling then, as he includes sub Sahara in order to make MSM seem worse than it is. And sadly, while the "vast majority" of gay men do not carry HIV, stigma and hard to reach and engage means they are still, by demographic, the highest number. But not worth hating them for eh? |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: Musket Date: 01 Dec 14 - 12:56 PM Out of interest worm (and this is Ian typing) why should the sexual orientation of one of the components of Musket make any difference and why would it explain anything? Despite your insignificance in all areas, we had a little laugh about you on the stag night a few weeks ago. Stood with a drink looking at the moonlight over Loch Fyne, the groom to be noted that when the wind is in the wrong direction, a certain unpleasant odour carries over the loch from the Strathlachlan direction. After a brief chuckle about how some people are too concerned with not liking others to enjoy the world as it is, we reverted to celebrating equality and how it led to this day, and how SNP for all their faults are showing the way forward in equality for all. Scotland is a good place then for gay Englishmen to live. Other than the religious nutters, far more tolerant of others. Of course, you could never be accused of being a typical Scot eh? |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: akenaton Date: 01 Dec 14 - 01:14 PM I don't give a stuff what you or your partners think of me, but what particular "wall" did you have in mind. I have built walls all over Argyll, most of which are still standing as firm as they day they were built. I take a pride in my work, but I wouldn't expect you or anyone associated with you to be able to appreciate it. Stick to pen pushing, cursing and insulting. |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: Don Firth Date: 01 Dec 14 - 01:45 PM Once again Goofball reveals the awesome extent of his ignorance and arrogance (note, the two often go together). Throughout history, certain works of fiction and the themes therein have often had a powerful influence on subsequent historical events. Ayn Rand is one such author. Her philosophy of selfishness and greed has found a home in the ideas and actions of many in politics today who are eagerly attempting to influence events and create the kind of society that Ayn Rand wrote about--in her fictional novels. AND in her subsequent works of non-fiction, such as The Virtue of Selfishness and Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal. Goofus serves the purpose of demonstrating that by shooting off one's mouth, one can wind up with a foot riddled with bullet holes. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: akenaton Date: 01 Dec 14 - 01:59 PM Hi Ian, Just had a look at the Public Health England annual report 2014. They estimate that in England 1 in 17 MSM carry the HIV virus, this rises to 1 in 8 in London. This is a substantial rise since the 2013 report. They also advise 3 monthly testing for active male homosexuals. Still think there is "no epidemic" amongst MSM? |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: Jim Carroll Date: 01 Dec 14 - 02:07 PM "You are homosexuals? why didn't you mention that before...could have explained a lot" And helped your life quest no end Jim Carroll Bummer |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 01 Dec 14 - 03:34 PM Musket, you stated," Keith says heterosexual transmission is falling but it isn't." It was. It had been for years. It still is. |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: Big Al Whittle Date: 01 Dec 14 - 04:22 PM whats a MSM? |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Dec 14 - 07:55 PM Don, I don't give a fuck in a flying rat's ass about Ayn Rand, nor any stupid politician, holding office or not, about what they may embrace about some shit they read in a fictional novel!...Being as you LOVE fiction..how about another one of your dumb posts! GfS |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: Don Firth Date: 01 Dec 14 - 08:30 PM Goofus, you're going to love it in the concentration camp.... If not, just remember, it was you who stuck your head up your own butt. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: GUEST,Steve Shaw MSW Date: 01 Dec 14 - 08:35 PM whats a MSM? Well, Al, it's an ugly and dismissive abbreviation used exclusively by homophobes which characterises "men who have sex with men". The people who use this crude term deny the dignity of the men whose private lives they would so like the rest of us, along with them, to condemn. |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: Ed T Date: 01 Dec 14 - 08:37 PM Reminds me of this one:) |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Dec 14 - 08:38 PM Akenaton, I hope you're sitting down......(I may ease your mind).....I want you to think back, on the posts you and 'Musket' have exchanged, through the years, and how he avoids the topic, or yaks disconnected drivel, using multiple identities, with little traces of sarcastic, but childish 'humor'..I think he's even impressed himself....OK, you got that?........ Now think back, all the way back to the 'homosexual' threads...OK? Do you remember me posting (I could dig it up) but I mentioned repeatedly, that sometimes a couple would come in for counseling, and there was a 'behavior' that, though was NOT sexual in discussions, was a 'tip-off' for a counselor to consider that one of the parties, had homosexual tendencies, and pursue a line of 'discussion' in finding the 'hidden problem'?....do you remember that?.....Do you remember what the 'tip-off' was??? ...are you seated?...because you're going to remember this....... Emotional immaturity. Regards, GfS |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Dec 14 - 08:41 PM Don Froth: "Goofus, you're going to love it in the concentration camp...." Don just loves liberal agendas..... Folks, get a clue!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: Don Firth Date: 02 Dec 14 - 12:45 AM To maintain that works of fiction are inconsequential is to display one's ignorance of history and its influence of literature—not to mention, the influence of song. Uncle Tom's Cabin by Harriet Beecher Stowe, was a novel that whipped up sentiment that led to the Civil War. And several works by Charles Dickens, such as Oliver Twist, depicting the plight of orphaned or homeless children, and Bleak House, detailing the social and legal paralysis that can be caused by brainless and obstructive bureaucracy, and several others by Dickens, led to social change. From an article on Dickens and the social impact of his "fiction:" At a time when Britain was the major economic and political power of the world, Dickens highlighted the life of the forgotten poor and disadvantaged within society. Through his journalism he campaigned on specific issues—such as sanitation and the workhouse—but his fiction probably demonstrated its greatest power in changing public opinion in regard to class inequalities. He often depicted the exploitation and oppression of the poor and condemned the public officials and institutions that not only allowed such abuses to exist, but who flourished as a result.As to Harriet Beecher Stowe's Uncle Tom's Cabin, another article excerpt for you enlightenment and edification: Uncle Tom's Cabin was published in book form on March 20, 1852, by John P. Jewett with an initial print run of 5,000 copies. In less than a year, the book sold an unprecedented three hundred thousand copies. By December, Jewett issued an inexpensive edition at 37 1/2 cents each to further inspire sales.Two authors of "fiction," and in Dickens' case, several novels dealing with social and political issues that have had a powerful influence on society. But the influential ideas in fictional works are not always positive. As to the influence of Ayn Rand and her fiction, underlined by her works of non-fiction—so far: 1. has resulted in one President (Ronald Reagan) systematically disassembling or emasculating regulatory agencies and social programs initiated by Franklin D. Roosevelt in the 1930s, programs and agencies that reigned in Wall Street and the bankers, put people back to work during the Great Depression, and provided security during old age (Social Security); 2. got a member of her "inner circle," Alan Greenspan, appointed head of the Federal Reserve Bank; 3. inspired a coterie of her fans to form the Libertarian Party (note: Libertarian, NOT Liberal), which reflects Ayn Rand's values, and which, with a very few years, has grown into the third largest political party in the United States; 4. further inspired another group to form the looser-knit "Tea Party, with essentially the same beliefs and goals; 5. Led Paul Ryan and several other politicians to insist that all members of their staffs read Ayn Rand's works; and 6. Although he denies it, the word is that Rand Paul was named after Ayn Rand (his parents were great admirers of Ayn Rand's writing). Ideas are not confined to heavy, philosophical tomes. More often than many people suspect, ideas are smuggled—uncritically—into their consciousness because most people read fiction for enjoyment and recreation, and their critical faculties are often not in gear. Poor ol' Goofup. It doesn't seem to occur to him that one can read BOTH fiction and non-fiction. But first, Goofball, you have to learn to read.... Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: Musket Date: 02 Dec 14 - 02:47 AM To be slightly fair Steve, MSM is the accepted technical term these days, as used in medical and social care circles. It does jar slightly but medically, it is a differentiator. It means three things together, male, gay and enjoying a sex life. Remove any one and with regard to STIs, the risk lowers. A degree of what I reckon is historical political correctness means there is no similar common abbreviation for heterosexual sex with or amongst sub Sahara origin people, the second most vulnerable group. In fact, as the report demonstrates, and I mentioned above, the sub Sahara demographic is large enough to skew figures. A worrying trend of not presenting early enough within this group leads to a false flag headline indicator of heterosexual infection rates, although the commentary I quoted from the report deals with that to prevent people claiming falling heterosexual rates vis a vis MSM rates. The stance Keith and Akenaton are taking could lead you into thinking wrongly that if one sector is lowering, the other sector is rising. This is consistent with the many hate and pseudo religious website commentaries that twist these figures to demonise gay people. The increase in early MSM detection and lower late detection is one hell of a success story, and the report acknowledges this. It means an increasingly responsible attitude to screening amongst promiscuous people in gay relationships. Our two homophobes have history. Incidentally, at the top of the 2014 report is a list of contributors. One of those is Seaham Cemetary, who had his audit published a few months ago when doing his sexual health attachment as a medical registrar. |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: Musket Date: 02 Dec 14 - 04:25 AM Anyone notice the post from Goofus about gay people a few posts up? Fucking fascinating. A bad experience somewhere down the line Goofus? Something you want to share perhaps? You and your mate seem to share an arse fixation but appear to be in denial. Perhaps you could benefit from group therapy eh? |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: akenaton Date: 02 Dec 14 - 04:39 AM It is excellent that new infections are being recorded earlier. It is a lie to suggest that infection rates in the MSM demographic are not rising, or that infection rates amongst heteros are not falling. The really important fact is the massive difference between the two, MSM accounting for 78% of all new infections in the US in the latest CDC report and 70% of all new infections in the UK......MSM make up less than 1% of the population. |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 02 Dec 14 - 05:00 AM No, Musket, that's the way it is..... Don, The Bible is a book that, as far as world influence, whether you subscribe to believing in it or not, has had a far greater influence, amongst the people on the planet....and you don't seem to want to talk about that...you prefer turmoil, and divisiveness, rather than we are all one.....and for those who see us all as one, with the top law of Love, (not the same as lust, in all it's disguises), obsessions with books by Ayn Rand, Hitler, Lenin, Mao (and a plethora of others)are just destructive popcorn farts....but for twisted idiot-logues, who lap up all that shit...they must smell like roses. How come you CAN'T promote Love? GfS |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: Big Al Whittle Date: 02 Dec 14 - 05:47 AM you see what i mean about a separate website where all these these things are made plain. when you kept going on about Seaham Cemetary, i thought it was a place. maybe somewhere where Ake exercised his dogs. 1% of the population of where, Ake. you've got that one wrong. have you never gigged a gay pub. there are bloody millions. lets face it mate - if you choose to live miles from anywhere, you lose touch with reality. this village, i've retired to - its like Planet Daily Mail. its only Mrs Thatcher who thought she could solve the global economy by holding up her shopping basket. like Miss Marple who thought she could grapple with the powers of evil at every church fete. microcosms of the world are misleading. perhaps because in small communities, minorities are cowed into keeping their heads down. try not to be so sure you have a handle on the world's problems. musket has seen a lot more of the world than either of us, and he comes from a culture where they call a spade a fucking bastard shovel. i don't like the way he talks about you. but i sort of understand it. in large communities, you see the fruits of intolerance. plus he's getting on in years. like they said about Curly in City Slickers - try not to piss him off! |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: Musket Date: 02 Dec 14 - 06:08 AM Younger than you, me old coffin dodger. 👴 I don't like how Akenaton speaks of gay people either. I don't make allowances though. Never seen the point. Note how he is saying I reckon rates are falling when I said otherwise? This is the shit I mean when I dismiss him. You speak of large communities Al, but we are only one set of humans with the intelligence to try to get on together. His attitude precludes acceptance of others and his bigotry is of the lowest order. When McMusket started really having a go at him I decided to look at a few of his posts on various subjects. My fellow log in seems to be on the button. Musket or even Muskets aren't the most vocal in condemning him, we are merely the latest.... Luv & hugs Ian |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: GUEST,Steve Shaw holding out Date: 02 Dec 14 - 06:16 AM Well, Musket, regardless of its acceptance in certain circles, it is a crude, and, to me, disrespectful characterisation of a certain section of our community. It has discriminatory overtones because we do not (at least not commonly) use primitive initialisms of that sort for women who have sex with men or women who have sex with women or for either who have sex with both. The only one I've seen used here is MSM. It grates because of its crudeness (if you're going to initialise it, why not MWHSWM?) and the lazy way it's used by two of our resident homophobes. "Gay men" will do nicely for me, without the quotes. Being gay is a way of life. Having sex is what you do occasionally. And gay men is only two syllables when you say it. I'm all for economy. |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: akenaton Date: 02 Dec 14 - 06:36 AM HI Al, sorry for not responding to your question regarding MSM, which allowed Steve to dive in with his nonsense. MSM is a recognised demographic used by all the health agencies and affected massively by HIV and all other male sexually transmitted diseases. The less than 1% of the population are not my figures but from a recent huge survey done by the UK Office of National Statistics. They report 1.5% of the population as "homosexual", this includes females in same sex relationships; as these females are not generally affected by HIV, they can be left out of the equation. Doctor Seaham has not returned with any proof of his allegations...because there is none. It is a disgusting lie and fortunately my contacts in the racing world know me very well and are aware of my history in the treatment of animals in my care. I don't often get angry Al, but to be accused of ill treatment of animals in any shape or form, makes me prepared to take action against the accuser.....in this case "Doctor" Seaham, ex "Team Musket" I suppose the lads were "splitting their sides" when they thought up that little jape, but it was a joke in poor taste and could yet prove to be an expensive mistake. As you probably know, I am opposed to the redefinition of marriage to accommodate a tiny sexual minority and that is really what upsets the Muskets, they are driven by ideology, not common sense. I wish no harm to homosexuals, but fail to see how concealing the serious health concerns associated with this type of sexual relationship benefits either homosexuals or society....to maintain that it is just another expression of "love" seems ludicrous, given the associated health problems. We have had some pleasant battles in the past regarding politics and other matters, but I have always found you fair minded and an excellent debater. |
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Subject: RE: Patriotism From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 02 Dec 14 - 06:56 AM "a false flag headline indicator of heterosexual infection rates, although the commentary I quoted from the report deals with that to prevent people claiming falling heterosexual rates vis a vis MSM rates" ??? MSM rates are high and rising and have been for years. Hetero rates are low and falling, and have been for years. |
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