Subject: RE: Greatest Anti-War Song Ever? From: GUEST,Russ Date: 22 Sep 09 - 01:03 PM My personal favorite is still "Masters of War." Russ (Permanent GUEST) |
Subject: RE: Greatest Anti-War Song Ever? From: GUEST,hannahma Date: 22 Sep 09 - 10:06 PM David Francey's song "Flowers of Saskatchewan". The radio played it on Nov. 11th... I ran out and bought all his records. The King's Own Calgary Regiment was in fact at Dieppe. The sun was shining on the English Channel on a ferry off the coast of France and it was summer and a pleasant morning and high above gulls wheeled and danced. And high above the cliff of morning The gun emplacements that stood in ranks And I walked over to the railing and I heard the ghosts of the Calgary Tanks. And I remembered pictures |I'd seen in history books and magazines of three men standing smoking, staring among the dead men on a rocky beach And in the light of that pleasant morning as we sailed under the cliffs above I though of all their silent prayers and the final thoughts of the ones they loved, That they'd left behind at prairie stations waving to their pride and joy waving to the smiling faces, smiling faces on the soldier boys No waves of grain will claim the fallen Just the Channel cold and grey as steel and no return to the rolling prairie and a silent cross on a lonely field. oh the sun was shining on the rolling prairie far from the Channel cold and grey shone on the families, friends and lovers of the prairie boys who fell that day but they could not know on that sunny morning the future held for them no joy they'd wait in vain at prairie stations wait in vain for their soldier boys. |
Subject: Lyr Add: YE JACOBITES BY NAME (from Robert Burns) From: GUEST,mayomick Date: 28 Sep 09 - 10:02 AM Come Ye Jacobites by name - Robert Burns Ye Jacobites by name, give an ear, give an ear, Ye Jacobites by name, give an ear, Ye Jacobites by name, Your fautes I will proclaim, Your doctrines I maun blame, you shall hear. What is Right, and What is Wrang, by the law, by the law? What is Right and what is Wrang by the law? What is Right, and what is Wrang? A short sword, and a lang, A weak arm and a strang, for to draw. What makes heroic strife, famed afar, famed afar? What makes heroic strife famed afar? What makes heroic strife? To whet th' assassin's knife, Or hunt a Parent's life, wi' bluidy war? Then let your schemes alone, in the state, in the state, Then let your schemes alone in the state. Then let your schemes alone, Adore the rising sun, And leave a man undone, to his fate. |
Subject: RE: Greatest Anti-War Song Ever? From: GUEST,Bardan Date: 28 Sep 09 - 01:25 PM Is it me or has no-one mentioned The Banks of the nile? Also pady's lament (the one the starts well it's by the hush me boys and thats to mind your noise.) Still eric bogle is the master. |
Subject: RE: Greatest Anti-War Song Ever? From: GUEST Date: 28 Sep 09 - 01:30 PM With God On Our Side |
Subject: RE: Greatest Anti-War Song Ever? From: Gulliver Date: 28 Sep 09 - 02:51 PM Teribus wrote: Fact of the matter: The Landings at Suvla Bay were completely unopposed nobody died. This is not quite correct. The landings at Suvla Bay were chaotic (the commander, Stopford, was subsequently sacked). The first companies of the 11th Division that landed at B beach suffered casualties: one third of the men and almost all the officers. On A Beach shortly afterwards the 11th Battalion suffered 200 casualties upon landing there. They then became targets for Turkish snipers. The following day after a forced march an exhausted 32nd Brigade was practically wiped out after a bayonet charge. Don |
Subject: RE: Greatest Anti-War Song Ever? From: GUEST,Jim P Date: 29 Sep 09 - 01:57 AM Like some who responded above, I find many of the songs mentioned above have lost their effectiveness through repetition or, it must be said, sheer heavy handedness. While I understand the need of the singer/songwriter to get the message across, sometimes a light touch works better than a sledgehammer. Here's one that always makes me mist up: ONE OF THE MANY by Phil Sampson She's the center of attraction everywhere she goes Life of the party, and everybody knows That trouble's never touched her, they think she never cries But I saw something in those pretty eyes. A momentary lapse, it took her by surprise It came on accidentally and she dropped her disguise It only lasted for a moment, then the feeling it was gone But I could see a memory lingered on. She's one of the many whose life has come undone And the first of a million more to follow And as long as soldiers go to war and lovers stay at home There'll be someone leaving someone else tomorrow. One night she felt like talking, I happened to be around She began to tell a story of a love she'd barely found And how it had been torn away, a story in her life Leaving only empty in her eyes. Now the medals and the ribbons and the shiny silver wings They don't serve to comfort her, they don't mean a thing They only tell a story about the price of glory Her lover paid it all at once, now she pays every day. She's one of the many... |
Subject: RE: Greatest Anti-War Song Ever? From: GUEST,Teribus Date: 29 Sep 09 - 02:40 AM Teribus wrote: Fact of the matter: The Landings at Suvla Bay were completely unopposed nobody died. Sorry Gulliver but I will stand by that in the point I was making with regard to Eric Bogle's lyrics: "Oh its well I remember that terrible day When our blood stained the sand and the water How in that hell they called Suvla Bay We were butchered like lambs at the slaughter" The fatalities you mention occurred AFTER the men had got ashore and had started belatedly to move inland. The Turks only had 1,500 men watching Suvla Bay from the inland side of the Salt lake. The delay in moving men inland to take the heights turned what would have been a success into a military disaster and inevitable stalemate of trench warfare, but nobody died during the landings themselves and there were certainly no instances of the carnage suggested by Bogle's lyrics, another glaring discrepancy is of course that while Australian troops did land at ANZAC Cove only British Troops and formations landed at Suvla, what Australians did die on the day of the landings at Suvla were the poor bastards ordered to attack Lone Pine Ridge in support of the landings, similar attacks were also launched to support the Suvla landings to the south at Helles Point. |
Subject: RE: Greatest Anti-War Song Ever? From: GUEST Date: 29 Sep 09 - 02:46 AM Sorry Gulliver forgot this one: "Johnny Turk he was ready, he primed himself well He rained us with bullets and he showered us with shell And in five minutes flat we were all blown to hell He nearlyy blew back home to Australia" Not at Suvla he didn't - No Australian troops - Only 1,500 Turks present against over 20,000 British troops - The German Officer commanding the Turkish Forces had no machine guns and absolutely no artillery. |
Subject: RE: Greatest Anti-War Song Ever? From: LostHills Date: 29 Sep 09 - 02:48 AM We're fortunate to have so many great anti-war songs. And then again, maybe we're not.... I'm glad so many folks listed Where Have All The Flowers Gone, and I Ain't Marching Anymore, surprised that I didn't see Turn, Turn , Turn, or If I Had A Hammer, or Down By The Riverside, or I've Got To Know, or Bring 'em Home. The greatest ant-war song ever written is Blowin' In The Wind. If you play all the anti-war songs you know at a peace vigil, that is the song that will engage people more than any other. It's the greatest peace song ever written. |
Subject: RE: Greatest Anti-War Song Ever? From: Gulliver Date: 29 Sep 09 - 09:49 PM Teribus, I'm not defending Eric Bogle's account, I'm just disputing your accuracy in claiming that no-one was killed in the landings at Suvla. And BTW the same source below stated that the Turkish defenders there under their German commander did have some heavy guns and field guns. From CALLWELL, MAJOR-GENERAL SIR C.E. The Dardanelles Campaigns and Their Lessons. Constable And Co, 1919: Beach A as a matter of fact had turned out to be a bad landing-place, quite apart from this particular trouble (ie, rifle-fire). The water inshore was shallow and several of the beetles grounded some way out, obliging the troops to struggle to land through water as much as four and a half feet deep. Beetles and troops were, moreover, enfiladed from about Gazi Baba as well as from Lala Baba, and the beach itself was sown with land mines which caused casualties and confusion in the dark. |
Subject: RE: Greatest Anti-War Song Ever? From: GUEST,Teribus Date: 30 Sep 09 - 12:51 PM My apologies Gulliver. Major Wilhelm Willmar, a Bavarian Cavalry Officer who was in command of the Turkish Forces tasked with defending the heights overlooking Suvla did indeed have a few artillery pieces but no machine guns. No account I have read makes any mention of mines, the confusion on the part of the landing forces is attributed to the landing being undertaken at night, a complete and utter lack of leadership combined with troops being set down in places as much as 1000 yards out of position thereby causing them to miss the landmarks and topographical features that they had been briefed on. My particular interest in this campaign was initially fired by listening to my next door neighbour when I was a boy, "Pop" Collier, who was fortunate enough to have lived through it. Many believe that the Dardanelles Campaign and Gallipoli only involved the ANZACs - it didn't not by a bloody long shot: Gallipoli casualties Allied Total 44,092 Killed/ 96,937 Wounded/141,029 Total Casualties United Kingdom - 21,255 Killed/52,230 Wounded/73,485 total casualties France (est) - 10,000 Killed/17,000 Wounded/27,000 total est casualties Australia - 8,709 Killed/19,441 Wounded/28,150 total casualties New Zealand - 2,721 Killed/4,752 Wounded/7,473 total casualties India - 1,358 Killed/3,421 Wounded/4,779 total casualties Newfoundland - 49 Killed/93 Wounded/142 total casualties Ottoman Empire (est) - 86,692 Killed/164,617 Wounded/251,309 total casualties The "Butchers Bill" in full - 130,784 Killed/237,290 Wounded/336,048 total casualties. ""In the English-speaking world, many people who otherwise might not have heard of the landing at Suvla Bay know something of its history through the song "And The Band Played Waltzing Matilda" written in 1972 by Eric Bogle and covered by numerous artists including the Clancy Brothers, Joan Baez and the Pogues. The song, while emotionally charged and vivid, is not an accurate historical account of the landing and subsequent events."" ""Suvla Bay also plays a role in the climax of the Peter Weir movie Gallipoli (1981 film) in which the third and final wave of Australian troops is ordered into a suicidal advance to maintain pressure on the Turkish/German troops despite the failure of the landing. The fictional character General Gardiner orders the advance reconsidered, with the famous line "at Suvla" ..."the [English] officers are sitting on the beach drinking cups of tea"."" Of course the incident upon which the film Gallipoli was based had nothing whatsoever to to with the landings at Suvla, the attack was the ANZAC operation to take the "Nek". ""The ANZACs are revered as heroes and, in Australia are stereotyped as typical tough Australians betrayed by incompetent and callous British superiors, impressions re-affirmed by films such as Peter Weir's Gallipoli, even though, according to Australian historian Les Carlyon, "the scale of the tragedy of the Nek was mostly the work of two Australian incompetents, Hughes and Antill."" As I said previously if you are going to go to the trouble of writing a retrospective song about an actual event then the least you should do is take the trouble to get it right. |
Subject: RE: Greatest Anti-War Song Ever? From: Gulliver Date: 30 Sep 09 - 02:28 PM My interest is simply that my grandfather was at Gallipoli, with the Dublin Fusiliers, and I have a few well-worn books of his. He was evacuated and then went on to the Western Front and then to Russia with the Expeditionary Force before being demobbed. Don |
Subject: RE: Greatest Anti-War Song Ever? From: Bearheart Date: 12 Oct 13 - 03:55 PM I found this thread while looking for a Feed Small song about the Danish peoples' evacuation of the Danish Jews to Sweden, when Hitler's henchmen were going to round them up and take them off to concentration camps, called December 1943. Does anyone here have the words? I was told of it by a woman I met whose parents were holocaust survivors. My dad (Danish American) was 13 at the time this happened, and it made a huge impact on him. Something he was very proud of. 2000 Danish Jews were saved by their countrymen. I would really like to find this for him. |
Subject: RE: Greatest Anti-War Song Ever? From: dick greenhaus Date: 12 Oct 13 - 07:52 PM "The Greatest Ant-War Song Ever Written" is the title of Jon Lighter's utterly brilliant analysis of "Johnny I hardly Knew Ye". It's a study of the song's history (which everyone seems to have gotten wrong), and the what it has meant to people in a changing culture. It's $9.95 from CAMSCO Music, and I can't recommend it more highly. |
Subject: RE: Greatest Anti-War Song Ever? From: Lighter Date: 12 Oct 13 - 08:41 PM > and I can't recommend it more highly. Thank you, Dick. |
Subject: RE: Greatest Anti-War Song Ever? From: GUEST,Eddie1 Date: 13 Oct 13 - 06:56 AM When I saw this thread I thought, "Looks interesting! Funny, I haven't seen this before!" Then I found a post from me some 4 years ago! I used to have a memory! Still stand by the two songs I mentioned for the same reasons: Pete Seeger Lyrics Bring 'Em Home Lyrics If you love your Uncle Sam, Bring them home, bring them home. Support our boys in Vietnam, Bring them home, bring them home. It'll make our generals sad, I know, Bring them home, bring them home. They want to tangle with the foe, Bring them home, bring them home. They want to test their weaponry, Bring them home, bring them home. But here is their big fallacy, Bring them home, bring them home. I may be right, I may be wrong, Bring them home, bring them home. But I got a right to sing this song, Bring them home, bring them home. There's one thing I must confess, Bring them home, bring them home. I'm not really a pacifist, Bring them home, bring them home. If an army invaded this land of mine, Bring them home, bring them home. You'd find me out on the firing line, Bring them home, bring them home. Even if they brought their planes to bomb, Bring them home, bring them home. Even if they brought helicopters and napalm, Bring them home, bring them home. Show those generals their fallacy: Bring them home, bring them home. They don't have the right weaponry, Bring them home, bring them home. For defense you need common sense, Bring them home, bring them home. They don't have the right armaments, Bring them home, bring them home. The world needs teachers, books and schools, Bring them home, bring them home. And learning a few universal rules, Bring them home, bring them home. So if you love your Uncle Sam, Bring them home, bring them home. Support our boys in Vietnam, Bring them home, bring them home. And: From Ed McCurdy Last night I had the strangest dream I ever dreamed before I dreamed the world had all agreed To put an end to war I dreamed I saw a mighty room The room was filled with men And the paper they were signing said They'd never fight again And when the papers all were signed And a million copies made They all joined hands and bowed their heads And grateful prayers were prayed And the people in the streets below Were dancing round and round And guns and swords and uniforms Were scattered on the ground Last night I had the strangest dream I ever dreamed before I dreamed the world had all agreed To put an end to war Eddie |
Subject: RE: Greatest Anti-War Song Ever? From: Mr Happy Date: 13 Oct 13 - 11:35 AM Ed McCurdy wrote Last night I had the strangest dream I never dreamed before |
Subject: RE: Greatest Anti-War Song Ever? From: cetmst Date: 13 Oct 13 - 05:47 PM Bearheart - type "Denmark 1943" in Lyrics and Knowledge box at top. |
Subject: RE: Greatest Anti-War Song Ever? From: Bearheart Date: 14 Oct 13 - 12:20 PM I did try the search but it wasn't helpful, just lots of references to the date. Searching Fred Small got me to his site but the link to lyrics hasn't been set up yet. And searching Fred Small here didn't bring it up either. Guess I'll just have to do a separate thread. |
Subject: RE: Greatest Anti-War Song Ever? From: ollaimh Date: 14 Oct 13 - 12:40 PM phil ochs also wrote the great song: "the marines have landed on the shores of santo domingo" I wonder if bruce Cockburn's :" if I had a rocket launcher" qualifies but it's a great song , as his older song:"look away across the bay, yanqui gunboat come this way" and if you are into poetry I do like "the naming of parts" by reid but w.h. Auden wrote the definitive poem about mass war.if you haven't read:"the shield of Achilles" your are not really participating in the human condition. Ayden's "sonnet from china have many great anti war poems as well--especially the original unedited version. like here war is harmless like a monument a telephone is talking to a man pins on maps declare that troops were sent a boy brings milk in bowls,there is a plan for living men in terror of their lives who thirst at dawn who were to thirst at noon who can be lat, and are, and miss their wives and unlike an idea can die too soon. but ideas can be real although men die for we have seen a myriad of faces estatic from one lie and pins on maps can really point to places where live is evil now nanking, dachau |
Subject: RE: Greatest Anti-War Song Ever? From: GUEST,AlbertsLion Date: 26 Jun 14 - 06:39 AM Surprised no-one has mentioned Bright Golden Buttons by Shel Silverstein. It's one I sometimes do and last night I performed my personal favourite, The White Cockade (Trad updated, by friend Peter Kay),to a bunch of young soldiers in my local pub - they liked it a lot and bought all the beer! Last verse: 'from Flanders to the Falklands, Crimea to Dunkirk the ones who give the orders are not the ones to do the work it's not their wives who sorrow, it's not their wounds that bleed and they are not, no they are not fit to govern, they are not fit to lead! Amen! |
Subject: RE: Greatest Anti-War Song Ever? From: PHJim Date: 26 Jun 14 - 11:51 AM I haven't read the whole thread, but Steve Goodman's Ballad Of Penny Evans deserves a mention: Oh my name is Penny Evans and my age is twenty-one A young widow in the war that's being fought in Viet Nam And I have two infant daughters and I do the best I can Now they say the war is over, but I think it's just begun. And I remember I was seventeen on the day I met young Bill At his father's grand piano, we'd play good old 'Heart and Soul' Well, I only knew the left hand part and he the right so well He's the only boy I slept with and the only one I will. It's first we had a baby girl and we had two good years It was next the 1A notice came and we parted without tears It was nine months from our last good night our second babe appears So it's ten months and a telegram confirming all our fears. And now every month I get a check from an Army bureaucrat And it's every month I tear it up and I mail the damn thing back. Do you think that makes it all right, do you think I'd fall for that ? And you can keep your bloody money, it sure won't bring my Billy back. I never cared for politics, and speeches I don't understand, And likewise never took no charity from any living man But tonight there's fifty thousand gone in that unhappy land And fifty thousand 'Heart and Soul's' being played with just one hand. And my name is Penny Evans and I've just gone twenty-one A young widow in the war that's being fought in Viet Nam And I have two infant daughters and I thank God I have no sons Now they say the war is over, but I think it's just begun. |
Subject: Lyr Add: THE GREAT MANDALA (Peter Yarrow) From: Larry The Radio Guy Date: 26 Jun 14 - 12:13 PM I'm surprised nobody's mentioned The Great Mandala---of Peter, Paul, and Mary's "Album 1700". PETER, PAUL AND MARY "The Great Mandala (The Wheel Of Life)" (Peter Yarrow) So I told him that he'd better shut his mouth And do his job like a man. And he answered "Listen, Father, I will never kill another." He thinks he's better than his brother that died What the hell does he think he's doing To his father who brought him up right? [Chorus:] Take your place on The Great Mandala As it moves through your brief moment of time. Win or lose now you must choose now And if you lose you're only losing your life. Tell the jailer not to bother With his meal of bread and water today. He is fasting 'til the killing's over He's a martyr, he thinks he's a prophet. But he's a coward, he's just playing a game He can't do it, he can't change it It's been going on for ten thousand years [Chorus] Tell the people they are safe now Hunger stopped him, he lies still in his cell. Death has gagged his accusations We are free now, we can kill now, We can hate now, now we can end the world We're not guilty, he was crazy And it's been going on for ten thousand years! Take your place on The Great Mandala As it moves through your brief moment of time. Win or lose now you must choose now And if you lose you've only wasted your life. |
Subject: RE: Greatest Anti-War Song Ever? From: JedMarum Date: 26 Jun 14 - 01:04 PM How about Woody Guthrie's The Sinking Of The Reuben James Have you heard of a ship called the good Reuben James Manned by hard fighting men both of honor and fame? She flew the Stars and Stripes of the land of the free But tonight she's in her grave at the bottom of the sea. Tell me what were their names, tell me what were their names, Did you have a friend on the good Reuben James? What were their names, tell me, what were their names? Did you have a friend on the good Reuben James Well, a hundred men went down in that dark watery grave When that good ship went down only forty-four were saved. 'Twas the last day of October we saved the forty-four From the cold ocean waters and the cold icy shore. It was there in the dark of that uncertain night That we watched for the U-boats and waited for a fight. Then a whine and a rock and a great explosion roared And they laid the Reuben James on that cold ocean floor. Now tonight there are lights in our country so bright In the farms and in the cities they're telling of the fight. And now our mighty battleships will steam the bounding main And remember the name of that good Reuben James. |
Subject: RE: Greatest Anti-War Song Ever? From: JedMarum Date: 26 Jun 14 - 01:07 PM OK - just a bit of a wind-up. I know this is a "let's go to war" song and not an anti-war song. It's from a great American songwriter and thinker .... but still a good song. |
Subject: RE: Greatest Anti-War Song Ever? From: Mehitabel Date: 26 Jun 14 - 11:06 PM So many great songs have been mentioned but the one that always gets to me is Tom Lewis's song, "Some Mother's Son" which is included on his CD, "Mixed Cargo", apparently written in response to the murder of Jean McConville: There's some mother's son on her doorstep lies bleeding, with no one to give him the comfort he's needing, And sure as her God's high above in His heaven, with ten kids already, this one makes eleven, Though he's wearing a uniform she ought to hate, she cradles his poor head and seals her own fate - For the one thing that binds us, when all's said and done - every man dying is some mother's son. Then twelve of her neighbours, apostles from hell, tore her from her family, no time for: "Farewell", No 'ashes to ashes' and no 'dust to dust', no loving remembrance, this cannot be just, She had daughters and sons, a family who loved her, she was sentenced to death just for being a mother, But the one thing that binds us, when all's said and done - every man dying is some mother's son. Somewhere there's a family who owe her a life, a one-time young squaddie with kids and a wife, When she thought he was dying she chose love and pity, a terrible crime in this desperate city, For when some mother's son on her doorstep lay bleeding she knelt down to give him the comfort he was needing, Now the one thing that binds us, when all's said and done - every man dying is some mother's son. I am also always brought to tears by David Francey's song, "Flowers of Saskatchewan". |
Subject: RE: Greatest Anti-War Song Ever? From: GUEST,Jordana Date: 24 Jul 14 - 02:48 PM I'm fond of "Crow on the Cradle," myself. Learned it from a Furnace Mountain CD. The sheep's in the meadow The cow's in the corn Now is the time for a child to be born He'll laugh at the moon And cry for the sun And if it's a boy he'll carry a gun Sang the crow on the cradle And if it should be that this baby's a girl Never you mind if her hair doesn't curl With rings on her fingers And bells on her toes And a bomber above her wherever she goes Sang the crow on the cradle The crow on the cradle The black and the white Somebody's baby is born for a fight The crow on the cradle The white and the black Somebody's baby is not coming back Sang the crow on the cradle Your mother and father will sweat and they'll slave To build you a coffin and dig you a grave Hush-a-bye little one, never you weep For we've got a toy that can put you to sleep Sang the crow on the cradle Bring me my gun, and I'll shoot that bird dead That's what your mother and father once said The crow on the cradle, what can we do Ah, this is a thing that I'll leave up to you Sang the crow on the cradle Sang the crow on the cradle |
Subject: Chords Add: Business Goes on as Usual (Fred H.) From: Jason Xion Wang Date: 02 Nov 14 - 09:36 PM I'm gonna add one of my favorite anti-war songs to the list. Words by Fran Minkoff, music by Fred Hellerman of the Weavers, first sung in 1965 by Joe Frazier of the Chad Mitchell Trio on album "Violets of Dawn". Business Goes on as Usual (Fred Hellerman; Fran Minkoff)
The chords above are based on John Denver's version - apparently he learnt it from Paul Prestopino. I can't guarantee the chords are 100% accurate. Jason |
Subject: RE: Business Goes on as Usual From: Jason Xion Wang Date: 03 Nov 14 - 08:19 AM Oops, just noticed that the two "Em"s at the end of the first two verses should be "E". Sorry for the mistake! Jason |
Subject: RE: Greatest Anti-War Song Ever? From: topical tom Date: 03 Nov 14 - 01:50 PM I did not take the time yet to read all the posts but if it has not already been mentioned I would suggest Christmas in the Trenches by John Mcutcheon.Extremely moving! |
Subject: RE: Greatest Anti-War Song Ever? From: topical tom Date: 03 Nov 14 - 01:57 PM Sorry, in my post I misspelled the name McCutcheon. My apology! |
Subject: RE: Greatest Anti-War Song Ever? From: GUEST,Desi C Date: 04 Nov 14 - 01:33 PM I ws going to give my choice but the majority already gave it. Just worth mentioning that Dylan's God On Our Side, is in effect a version of Dominick Behan's, The Patriot Game |
Subject: Lyr Add: ALL QUIET ALONG THE POTOMAC TO-NIGHT From: GUEST,Jim Dixon 17 Feb 2015 Date: 21 Feb 15 - 03:45 PM From The Southern Literary Messenger, Vol. 37 No. 2 (Richmond: MacFarlane & Fergusson, Feb., 1863), page 103. [This is presented as a poem, not a song. Note that it consists of 4-line stanzas, whereas the song is rearranged as 8-line stanzas. No doubt this is what necessitated dropping 4 lines. I have boldfaced the words that are different from the song in the DT. Also note that the author Fontaine is not credited in the DT.] "ALL QUIET ALONG THE POTOMAC TO-NIGHT." By Lamar Fontaine, Company I, Second Regiment Virginia Cavalry. Written while on picket on the bank of the Potomac, 1861. "All quiet along the Potomac to-night," Except here and there a stray picket Is shot as he walks on his beat to and fro By a rifleman hid in the thicket. 'Tis nothing?a private or two now and then Will not count in the news of the battle; Not an officer lost! only one of the men Moaning out, all alone, the death-rattle. "All quiet along the Potomac to-night," Where the soldiers lie peacefully dreaming, And their tents in the rays of the clear autumn moon And the light of their camp-fires are gleaming. A tremulous sigh, as a gentle night wind Thro' the forest leaves slowly is creeping, While the stars up above, with their glittering eyes, Keep guard o'er the army while sleeping. There's only the sound of the lone sentry's tread, As he tramps from the rock to the fountain, And thinks of the two on the low trundle bed Far away in the cot on the mountain. His musket falls slack?his face dark and grim, Grows gentle with memories tender, As lie mutters a prayer for the children asleep, And their mother?"may Heaven defend her." The moon seems to shine as brightly as then? That night when the love yet unspoken, Leaped up to his lips, and when low murmur'd vows Were pledged to be ever unbroken. Then drawing his sleeve roughly over his eyes, He dashes off the tears that are welling; And gathers his gun close up to his breast As if to keep down the heart's swelling. He passes the fountain, the blasted pine tree, And his footstep is lagging and weary; Yet onward he goes thro' the broad belt of light, Toward the shades of the forest so dreary. Hark! was it the night-wind that rustled the leaves? Was it the moonlight so wond'rously flashing? It looked like a rifle! "Ha! Mary good by!" And his life-blood is ebbing and splashing. "All quiet along the Potomac to-night." No sound save the rush of the river: While soft falls the dew on the face of the dead, The Picket's off duty forever.
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Subject: RE: Greatest Anti-War Song Ever? From: GUEST,Bert (17 Feb 2015) Date: 21 Feb 15 - 03:46 PM For some reason I don't recall ever hearing of a song that praises the dropping of the bomb on Hiroshima. Probably the most anti war weapon ever invented. It saved an estimated one million American lives at a time when the casualty ration was running at about twelve Japanese to one American. So that means that it saved twelve million Japanese |
Subject: RE: Greatest Anti-War Song Ever? From: GUEST,Dave (18 Feb 2015) Date: 21 Feb 15 - 03:47 PM I would second Jordana's nomination of Sydney Carter's The Crow on the Cradle |
Subject: RE: Greatest Anti-War Song Ever? From: GUEST,henryp (19 Feb 2015) Date: 21 Feb 15 - 03:48 PM From: Bert Date: 17 Feb 15 - 11:39 PM "For some reason I don't recall ever hearing of a song that praises the dropping of the bomb on Hiroshima. Probably the most anti war weapon ever invented. "It saved an estimated one million American lives at a time when the casualty ration was running at about twelve Japanese to one American. So that means that it saved twelve million Japanese." Bert - It was so effective that they dropped an even bigger bomb on Nagasaki three days later. The thermo-nuclear-bomb is more powerful still. Cranes over Hiroshima by Fred Small gives an alternative view. |
Subject: RE: Greatest Anti-War Song Ever? From: GUEST,henryp (19 Feb 2015) Date: 21 Feb 15 - 03:50 PM The Morning Lies Heavy - by Allan Taylor. "The young Scottish group, Breabach, have recorded the song I wrote in 1971, "The Morning Lies Heavy", a song inspired by my brother-in-law Jimmy who was called to the draft in America during the Vietnam War. It's great to know that a song I wrote so long ago still resonates with a new generation." |
Subject: RE: Greatest Anti-War Song Ever? From: GUEST,Dave Hanson (19 Feb 2015) Date: 21 Feb 15 - 03:52 PM Tom Paxton's 'Jimmy Newman ' |
Subject: RE: Greatest Anti-War Song Ever? From: GUEST,MartinRyan (19Feb15) Date: 21 Feb 15 - 03:53 PM when the casualty ration was running at about twelve Japanese to one American - some diet! Regards |
Subject: RE: Greatest Anti-War Song Ever? From: GUEST,Lighter (19 Feb 2015) Date: 21 Feb 15 - 03:54 PM Bert, try Karl & Harty's "When the Atom Bomb Fell," released in December, 1945: Smoke and fire it did flow through the land of Tokio, There was brimstone and dust everywhere. When it all cleared away, there the cruel Japs did lay, The answer to our fighting boys' prayers (Yes, Lord!) The answer to our fighting boys' prayers. |
Subject: RE: Greatest Anti-War Song Ever? From: GUEST,henryp Date: 21 Feb 15 - 07:38 PM "Bert, try Karl & Harty's "When the Atom Bomb Fell," released in December, 1945" That song certainly celebrates dropping the atom bomb on the citizens of Hiroshima. Perhaps it reflected a thread of opinion at that time in America. Was it a popular song? |
Subject: RE: Greatest Anti-War Song Ever? From: GUEST,henryp Date: 23 Feb 15 - 07:32 AM Another mention for Political Science by Randy Newman. It's perhaps better known as Let's Drop the Big One. Boom goes London and boom Paree More room for you and more room for me And every city the whole world round Will just be another American town Oh, how peaceful it will be We'll set everybody free You'll wear a Japanese kimono, baby And there'll be Italian shoes for me They all hate us anyhow So let's drop the big one now |
Subject: RE: Greatest Anti-War Song Ever? From: Lighter Date: 23 Feb 15 - 08:03 AM > Was it a popular song? No. It seems to have been recorded only once. On the other hand, everyone was indeed thankful that the war was over, irrespective of the method. That was especially true, on the Allied side, for the soldiers already in training for the invasion of Japan. |
Subject: RE: Greatest Anti-War Song Ever? From: GUEST,henryp Date: 23 Feb 15 - 06:25 PM Thank you. The comparison with Political Science is extraordinary. On the face of it, Political Science might have been the follow-up record. |
Subject: RE: Greatest Anti-War Song Ever? From: GUEST,Kmccjoe1 Date: 12 Jan 19 - 11:09 PM Anyone have the chords (or even the key) for 'A 1000 Candles, A 1000 Cranes'? |
Subject: RE: Greatest Anti-War Song Ever? From: GUEST,John Orford Date: 13 Jan 19 - 12:18 AM There are many fine ant-war songs - my favourite too is "Me Johnny I hardly knew ye". The whole story is told very simply; the poor girl is so shocked she makes mild fun of her soldier. It also shows the beautiful Irish way of singing tragic words to happy tunes, |
Subject: RE: Greatest Anti-War Song Ever? From: Lighter Date: 13 Jan 19 - 01:24 PM But check out this thread: /mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=146300#3387145 |
Subject: RE: Greatest Anti-War Song Ever? From: GUEST,Gerry Date: 13 Jan 19 - 05:23 PM Back on 20 Feb 2003, GUEST,Longarm wrote, "Don't know about the song but Alistair Huelett wrot an anti war/leftwing song and the most telling line was: 'A bayonet has a working class man on each end"! Perceptive eh?" There's a thread on that song, Don't Sign Up For War |
Subject: RE: Greatest Anti-War Song Ever? From: GUEST,Gerry Date: 13 Jan 19 - 05:30 PM Back on 14 Feb 2003, BuckMulligan wrote, "I never saw Draft Dodger Rag as an anti-war song. It's from Ochs's superpatriot stage and I've never been convinced he had his tongue in his cheek. I think he really was poking at draft dodgers (love to be wrong of course)." Ochs' superpatriot stage? Draft Dodger Rag was on the I Ain't Marching Any More album, along with the title track, and Days of Decision, and Here's to the State of Mississippi, and Iron Lady, and Talking Birmingham Jam. I wasn't aware that Ochs ever had a "superpatriot stage", but if he did, I don't see how Draft Dodger Rag was part of it. |
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