BS: Waiting for protests... (Gaza)

Subject: RE: BS: Waiting for protests... (Gaza)
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 08:31 AM

NOTE THE DATE!

Israel allowing rocket attacks on Jews?
Olmert restricts military from stopping missile onslaughts

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Posted: December 04, 2006
11:55 am Eastern


By Aaron Klein
© 2009 WorldNetDaily.com


JERUSALEM – The Israeli Defense Forces has been instructed by the government here not to open fire or take any action against militants who are discovered launching rockets into the Jewish state, senior military officials told WND today.

The officials said Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's security cabinet changed the IDF's rules of engagement after a cease-fire went into effect Nov. 26. Now, if Palestinians in the Gaza Strip are caught launching rockets at Jewish cities, the Israeli military is forbidden to respond, the military officials said.

Previously, the IDF used artillery units and aerial strikes against militants discovered in the process of launching rockets.

Since the truce was agreed to last week, about 20 rockets have been launched from Gaza into Jewish cities nearby.

IDF sources told WND the Israeli army several times the past few days identified militants about to launch rockets into Israel, but due to changed rules of engagement in response to the cease-fire, IDF forces were prohibited from taking out the rocket crews. For example, hours after the cease-fire was imposed, IDF units spotted seven Palestinians in Gaza setting up rocket launchers. Three rockets were then fired into Israel.

"There is nothing we can do about the rocket attacks. It's only a matter of time before an Israeli is killed," said an IDF official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk to media.

Olmert today told the Knesset his government would react with restraint to continuing Qassam attacks, saying Israel was hoping to give the cease-fire a chance to develop into further steps toward what he called a "peace process."

"We will fully explore every possibility that can lead to momentum to begin a diplomatic process, and so we are now giving the truce a chance," Olmert told the Knesset parliament's Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee.

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53219



How long were they SUPPOSED to wait for the rockets to stop?

Subject: RE: BS: Waiting for protests... (Gaza)
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 08:34 AM

Still waiting.



http://www.adl.org/terrorism/listofattacks.asp

Subject: RE: BS: Waiting for protests... (Gaza)
From: heatherblether
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 02:53 PM

The BBC s Gaza correspondent who lives near the Raffeh crossing point has learnt that his house along with several others has been destroyed by Israeli bombs or shells.
Even more alarmingly the Israeli have dropped thousands of leafletts in that area of southern Gaza ordering the residents out of their homes by tomorrow because they are to be attacked by the Israeli military.
Israel has used a wide range of deadly weapons including tank shells,one tonne bombs and white phospherous against civilian targets and there is speculation that it may be considering using a giant thermobaric bomb against the Raffeh neighbourhood.
Israel seems to be going for broke with its war crimes against the people of Gaza with several hundred children killed and many others maimed and mutilated through rocket,bomb and artillery attacks by the Israeli Defence Force.
ifor

Subject: RE: BS: Waiting for protests... (Gaza)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 03:01 PM

ifor,

The raffah crossing point- into Egypt, where the tunnels are?

Are you claiming that the tunnels that Hamas uses to bring in rockets and explosives are "civilian targets"?


Show me the leaflets that Hamas has dropped on Israel warning where their rockets were going to hit, please.

If not, your comments are not worth the effort of reading.

Subject: RE: BS: Waiting for protests... (Gaza)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 03:15 PM

Perhaps you could suggest a method by which leaflets about incoming rockets could be delivered, bruce.   By a preliminary rocket perhaps? Except that those rockets are so inaccurate that wouldn't work. Which is why they are so much less effective at killing people than the IDF's weaponry.

Even during the ceasefire more Palestinians were killed by Israeli attacks than Israelis were killed by Hamas rockets.

Subject: RE: BS: Waiting for protests... (Gaza)
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 03:58 PM

" Except that those rockets are so inaccurate that wouldn't work. Which is why they are so much less effective at killing people than the IDF's weaponry."


Which is why, as terrorist weapons aimed at civilians they are outlawed by civilized nations. They serve no military purpose, and are only used for terror. Strictly forbidden by the Geneva conventions.




"Rocket fire has fallen off somewhat as Israeli troops tighten their hold on Gaza, taking over open areas used to launch rockets, but Gaza residents say militants are still launching from heavily populated areas. "

Also a violation, to use heavily populated areas.

Subject: RE: BS: Waiting for protests... (Gaza)
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 04:03 PM

Perhaps you could suggest a method by which the military targets hiding in heavily populated areas, hiding behind civilians, can be destroyed without hitting some civilians?   


Or are IDF forces supposed to die from morter attacks, without firing back, until the "right" number of them have been killed to be fair? And how many would that be?

Subject: RE: BS: Waiting for protests... (Gaza)
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 05:06 PM

I could suggest a new definition/example of ∞ (that's an infinity symbol for those who can't see it)

My mother used to quote a Cajun neighbor lady in New Orleans.."Iffn somebody does me somethin', I'll stay up all night thinkin' of somethin' to do 'em back!"

Subject: RE: BS: Waiting for protests... (Gaza)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 05:19 PM

So farr ten IDF personnel have been killed in this invasion. Four of these were killed by Israeli weaponry meticulously targetted at Hamas militants...

Subject: RE: BS: Waiting for protests... (Gaza)
From: heatherblether
Date: 08 Jan 09 - 04:50 AM

The intended attack on the houses at Rafeh was quoted by avery concerned BBC correspondent on the Gaza /Rafeh border last night.
The BBC reporter whose house was blown up, informed his colleagues outside Gaza about his house and the leaflets and the intention to attack the neighbourhood today.
Furthermore, a charity worker for Care International was also killed along with his son yesterday when their house was blown up by an Israeli shell.This was reported by the charity and printed in the Guardian.
ifor

Subject: RE: BS: Waiting for protests... (Gaza)
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Jan 09 - 08:48 AM

Me thinks that Israel is in the midst of winning every battle but in a real danger of loosing this war...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Waiting for protests... (Gaza)
From: GUEST,beardebruce
Date: 08 Jan 09 - 09:41 AM

"Nearly a third of the deaths -- 30 percent -- are women and children, according to the U.N. Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, citing statistics released Tuesday by the Palestinian Ministry of Health."

Seven Israeli soldiers and three civilians have been killed since the operation began, the Israeli military reported"


So, the Gazans have killed 30% civilians? Sounds like they have to be deliberatly targeting them, since when Israeli forces kill 30% civilians it is proof that they are....

Subject: RE: BS: Waiting for protests... (Gaza)
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Jan 09 - 10:25 AM

"Mommy! He hit me BACK harder than I hit him!"

Cynical? Me?....naawwwwwww

Subject: RE: BS: Waiting for protests... (Gaza)
From: heatherblether
Date: 08 Jan 09 - 10:31 AM

To BeardedBruce

Some 600 plus Palestinians have been killed so far in the bombibg and shelling.From the reports I have seen across the networks the majority seem to be women and children.There are some ghastly,horrific, photographs of slaughtered   children on numerous websites so obviously the Israeli war secret is out and across the world.

Around 3000 people have been seriously wounded or maimed .The morgues and hospitals are overflowing.

Israel stands accused of breaking international laws against the collective punishment of civilians.Its reputation is plunging.

Israel has so far lost about 11 people killed the majority are soldiers killed during the invasion some by friendly fire.

Gaza is a city of one and a half million people ..you obviously know about the power plants,roads clinics , university,bridges ,schools,sewage plants apartment blocks and market that have been destroyed by artillery shells or missiles.

It is a sick joke to claim ,as some do, that this is a battle between Israel and Hamas.This is an all out war waged against the Palestinian people of Gaza.

Most Gazans are eiher refugees directly from what is now Israel or the children or grandchildren of refugees.Some have seen their homes blown up several times over by the Israelis [most of whom were either born outside Israel or are the children or grandchildren of settlers who were born outside Israel ].

On saturday there will be a demonstration in support of Gaza and the Palestinians in central London.It will be massive. There are anti war people in Israel who are speaking out in the face of much intimidation by the pro war zionists and I greatly admire their courage in going up against the pro war murder lobby.
ifor

Subject: RE: BS: Waiting for protests... (Gaza)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Jan 09 - 10:38 AM

"From the reports I have seen across the networks the majority seem to be women and children."

Then the networks are telling you a lie, since the UN, using the PALESTINIAN statistics, says otherwise.





"Israel has so far lost about 11 people killed the majority are soldiers killed during the invasion some by friendly fire."

True- but the "majority" of Gazans killed have been Hamas militants or other combatants- 30% OF BOTH SIDES casualties have been civilians.



"Nearly a third of the deaths -- 30 percent -- are women and children, according to the U.N. Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, citing statistics released Tuesday by the Palestinian Ministry of Health."

Seven Israeli soldiers and three civilians have been killed since the operation began, the Israeli military reported"

Subject: RE: BS: Waiting for protests... (Gaza)
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Jan 09 - 10:44 AM

"You do not determine "righteousness" by counting the number of casualties!!!"

"You do not determine "righteousness" by counting the number of casualties!!!"

"You do not determine "righteousness" by counting the number of casualties!!!"


Ok....I give up. You will continue to count, anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Waiting for protests... (Gaza)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Jan 09 - 10:53 AM

You do not determine "righteousness" by lieing about the people killed, either.

Subject: RE: BS: Waiting for protests... (Gaza)
From: heatherblether
Date: 08 Jan 09 - 11:05 AM

The United Nations Relief Agency has suspended all humanitarian relief operations in Gaza after one of its aid convoys was strafed and an UNRA worker killed by Israeli fire.
This on top of UN schools and facilites attacked and wrecked by the invading Israeli military.
An UNRA spokesman said earlier today that aid work will only resume after Israel gives full assurances that it will not attack UNRA or its workers.
ifor

Subject: RE: BS: Waiting for protests... (Gaza)
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Jan 09 - 04:09 PM

But God is on our side, ain't He???

Subject: RE: BS: Waiting for protests... (Gaza)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Jan 09 - 04:31 PM

You do not determine "righteousness" by lieing about the people killed, either.

Very true indeed.

Subject: RE: BS: Waiting for protests... (Gaza)
From: Lanfranc
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 07:35 PM

Cain slew Abel Seth knew not why
For if the children of Israel were to multiply
Why must any of the children die?
So he asked the Lord
And the Lord said:

"Man means nothing he means less to me
Than the lowliest cactus flower
Or the humblest yucca tree
He chases round this desert
'Cause he thinks that's where I'll be
That's why I love mankind"

Randy Newman's "God's Song"

If only they could take God out of the equation...

How ironic that two faiths whose greeting is "Peace be with you" seem incapable of co-existence. The Muslims managed to live peacefully alongside Jews and Christians in Spain during their rule there, and someone will have to find a way to achieve it in Palestine, and sooner rather than later.

There is stupidity and cruelty on both sides of this conflict, but the parallels between the recent conduct and consequent excuses of the Israelis and those of Hitler's Germany are stark.

A British Jewish MP, Gerald Kaufman, has something to say that is worth listening to - see BBC Parliament broadcast

I despair of either side ever coming to their senses.

Alan