Did the Pecker get royalties - Tinker's Lullaby

Subject: Did the Pecker
From: scouse
Date: 25 Mar 07 - 01:18 PM

We all know the Pecker Dunne wrote "The Tinkers Lullabye." Did he ever later get the royalties and recognition shown to him for the song when the the song got changed to "The Hobo's Lullabye"??? As Aye, Phil

Subject: RE: Did the Pecker
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 Mar 07 - 02:32 PM

The hobos lullaby was written by the Texas [Goebbell Reeves]Drifter,and predates Pecker Dunnes effort,if anybody should be paying royalties its Pecker.,TO MR REEVES .

Subject: RE: Did the Pecker
From: MARINER
Date: 25 Mar 07 - 03:42 PM

Reckon you're right Cap'n . I heard Pete Seeger sing it long before The Pecker came up with Tinker's Lullaby.

Subject: RE: Did the Pecker
From: scouse
Date: 26 Mar 07 - 06:32 AM

Thanks Guy's, I think I'm gonna walk straight into an one bloody big row!When I mention these facts.. Thanks again for the info...As Aye,
Phil

Subject: RE: Did the Pecker
From: MARINER
Date: 26 Mar 07 - 11:39 AM

Mark you, the Pecker claims to have written "Sullivan's John" I wonder if he recieved any royalties for that ? .

Subject: RE: Did the Pecker
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Mar 07 - 05:36 AM

What did he actually write then does anyone know

Subject: RE: Did the Pecker
From: Gulliver
Date: 29 Mar 07 - 11:52 AM

I know his niece and will ask her when I meet her on Sunday.

Subject: RE: Did the Pecker
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Mar 07 - 07:31 PM

HI Gulliver might I ask what niece you will ask as I know some of them as well. Wonder if we know each other.

Subject: RE: Did the Pecker
From: GUEST,the peckers daughter
Date: 06 Apr 10 - 02:56 PM

u obviously dont no shit my dad didnt claim to write songs e did and i tink if e didnt den e wud av had alot of court cases on his back so leave my dad alone and keep ur filty toughts to urselves rite

Subject: RE: Did the Pecker
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 06 Apr 10 - 07:20 PM

Ah, the benefits of education.

Subject: RE: Did the Pecker
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 03:11 AM

Whatever Pecker did, 'e didn't teach his kids to read or write.

Dave H

Subject: RE: Did the Pecker
From: katlaughing
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 04:26 AM

Obviously he did as she had to have read the thread to have posted that. As to her writing...looks like what every other young person writes on cellphones, etc. That doesn't mean I like it, but it is a phenomenon that won't go away.

RURedEE4Change?

kat

Subject: RE: Did the Pecker
From: Will Fly
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 05:38 AM

RURedEE4Change?

I am indeed, Kat - I'd like two tens in exchange for a twenty...

Or should that be "idlk210sinxchngefra20"? :-)

Subject: RE: Did the Pecker
From: Big Phil
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 11:54 AM

Just enjoy the mans music. Who's business is it if his Daughter is not brilliant at reeding and riting.

BP

Subject: RE: Did the Pecker
From: The Sandman
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 01:10 PM

pecker dunnes a great entertainer and a good musician,he once gave me a quid when i was busking in skibb,he is a grand fellow but he didnt write hobos lullaby.,but he wrote the tinkers lullaby so hes entitled to 50 percent royalties or maybe even 100 per cent,that up to prs to decide.

Subject: RE: Did the Pecker
From: Charley Noble
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 04:44 PM

One does wonder if the Pecker Dunnes's Daughter actually posted up above or whether it was some other guest trying to stir things up.

Actually "Pecker Dunnes's Daughter" sounds to me like a promising title for a new song, kind of like "Mary Mack's Mother." See you all later!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Did the Pecker
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 05:12 PM

"Ah, the benefits of education."
Ah, the smugness of the educated!
"Whatever Pecker did, 'e didn't teach his kids to read or write."
Did your father teach you to read or did you have the benefit of a state financed education that most Travellers didn't and still don't get because they are not allowed to stay in one spot for long enough?
"One does wonder if the Pecker Dunnes's Daughter actually posted up above"
One most certainly does, but it certainly brings 'em out of the woodwork.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Did the Pecker
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 06:07 PM

I was going to say much the same thing about education for traveller's Jim, which is to this day not ideal. Thanks for pointing it out.

Having said that, I've also met some travelling folk who are pretty damned erudite, but only males. I've read somewhere (probably in capacity as a school governor work) that it is a cultural practice to not encourage girls in academics because they are required in the camp for various duties (child care being primary) at younger ages than boys as well as to protect the way of life. I can certainly see why these people might deem education a threat, because actually it is.

And having said that, I don't think the post from Mr. Dunne's daughter is genuine. The message reflects an Irish dialect with comic effect. "filty toughts" I think it is more a crank to wind up folks on the forum and it has succeeded in doing that.

Subject: RE: Did the Pecker
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 02:40 AM

I didn't learn to read or write in school, I learned it most from my mother at home, my father having died when I was six, leaving my mom to bring up four kids on her own, and we could all read at a very early age.

Dave H

Subject: RE: Did the Pecker
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 03:45 AM

Virginia,
Travellers society is changing rapidly - not always for the better as, since the exodus into the cities and towns, the the youngsters seem to have picked up some of the worst habits of the settled communities.
The role of Travelling women is a complex one and not always as it appears to us outsiders. It was interesting that it was a young, wheelchair bound Travelling woman, Helen McDonagh who came within a whisker of being elected student leader at Trinity two years ago - changes indeed.
Dave,
Up to twenty years ago it would have been an extremely rare experience to find a Traveller who could read or write - it was not that they couldn't, but simply, as a community they didn't; so the likelihood of parents passing on literacy skills to their children was virtually non-existant.
We once had a long discussion with Scots singer, storyteller Duncan Williamson on the pros and cons of education among Travellers. At the time he was wrestling with whether or not to have his two children educated. While he was fully literate, he was not sure that this had not led to a deterioration of his natural (survival) skills (Duncan was at one time a tent-dweller living in the most rudimentary conditions).
Sorry if I knee-jerked - I believe that we quite often take for granted our own ready access to the most basic of facilities, such as running water, sanitation, electricity, or simply a guaranteed place to call 'home'. Education still comes a long way down the Travellers' 'not have' list.
On the question of whether or not The Pecker wrote 'The Tinkers Lullabye'; if he did, he wouldn't be the first to juggle the few words of a song around and put a little (c) next to it - it's done in the best of folkie circles (some have made a career out of it) - witness the scramble to copyright 'Wild Mountain Thyme' following Rod Stewart's rendition.
Traveller John Reilly put 'The Well Below The Valley' (Maid and the Palmer (Child 21) back into currency after centuries of absence. John died of malnutrition in a derelict house in Boyle; a copyright of the song rests with well known musician Phil Coulter.
I know who I believe deserves ' the glittering prizes' if there are any to be handed around.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Did the Pecker
From: MartinRyan
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 03:57 AM

The situation re education and Traveller women is indeed changing rapidly. My wife is involved in a project where university student teachers operate a homework club for traveller secondary school pupils. Most of the participants are female and most of the impetus comes from their mothers.

Regards

Subject: RE: Did the Pecker
From: GUEST,Davtnova
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 04:16 AM

There is a programme still available on BBC Alba documenting the Bobbin Mill Camp in Perthshire in the late forties/fifties. It gives some insight into the changes forced on the Scottish travellers at that time and some insight into their education, http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00rz53r/Trusadh_Sgeulachd_LuchdSiubhal_%28The_Travellers_Tale%29/

Subject: RE: Did the Pecker
From: Charley Noble
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 09:14 AM

I certainly didn't realize that this thread had anything to do with "travelling folk."

Some cultural clues don't necessarily resonate by the time they reach this side of the Great Pond. I'm sorry if my post offended anyone.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Did the Pecker
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 10:18 AM

Not only do I not believe that the pecker's daughter posted that post, but also I do not believe that there is a musician named Pecker.

How dumb do you think we are?    :)

Subject: RE: Did the Pecker
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 11:22 AM

Leeneia - you're winding us up!
The Pecker got his nickname when the word didn't have the connotations it has now,
Jim Carroll

Patrick 'Pecker' Dunne, (April 1, 1933), was born in Castlebar, County Mayo in his parents horse-drawn caravan. His family were Irish Travellers, originally from County Wexford, where his father was a well known fiddle player. In Parley-poet and Chancer, an autobiography transcribed by Michael O'haodha Page 21, he says he lived on New Street Crumlin and Galtymore Road. Drimnagh was considered part of an area known as North Crumlin until the introduction of the postal code system during the mid 1970s. The family lived for sometime on Galtymore Road, in Drimnagh. The older residents still remember the family living there.[citation needed] He is one of Ireland's most noted banjo players (also proficient with fiddle, melodeon and guitar),and is among an elite of Traveller musicians that includes The Fureys.
Pecker Dunne became known to a wide Irish audience from his regular busking at GAA sporting fixtures, particularly in Munster. Later he played in England, France, Australia and New York, where he appeared with The Dubliners. He also performed alongside Richard Harris and Stephen Rea in the 1996 feature film Trojan Eddie.
He now lives in Killimer in south-west County Clare with his wife and four children, who continue the musical tradition

Subject: RE: Did the Pecker
From: GUEST,mariner
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 04:17 PM

Not sure if the Pecker's father was a Wexfordman but I do remember the Pecker as a young lad living with his family not far from where I live in Wexford town.

Subject: RE: Did the Pecker
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 06:05 PM

Jim, you've nailed me. I was indeed winding ya'll up.

Subject: RE: Did the Pecker
From: Charley Noble
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 08:15 PM

I do recall being somewhat bemused when I first heard a Brit say "Keep your pecker up!"

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Did the Pecker
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 03:55 AM

"Jim, you've nailed me."
Doesn't that have a different connotation in The States - or is it just in Ireland?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Did the Pecker
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 04:09 AM

US connotations of nailing depends on the context.

"he nailed her" would mean shagging occurred

"you nailed me" means you caught me (Normally, one would not say to a partner in post coitus conversation, "you fucked me." It'd be like duh, stating the obvious.)

"he nailed me" can mean either

I really do waste too much time on mudcat. I need to go get some work done.

Subject: RE: Did the Pecker
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 10:31 AM

Sorry, but where I come from, 'nailed' means someone has been rightfully blamed for a crime or fault. For example,

"The cops nailed him for the robbery of the Pernicious National Bank."
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Are there birds of the woodpecker family in Europe?

We have at least one pair of small woodpeckers in our neighborhood. They drum on the trees, and there harsh calls sound like something from the jungle. I love it. (It's amazing how much sound such a small bird can make.)

In the south, 'woodpecker' changed to 'peckerwood'. Then 'peckerwood' became a word for hillbilly. The association of peckerwood with pecker is denied with much false innocence.

The southern plantation of Auntie Mame's beloved husband Beauregard Jackson Pickett Burnside was named Peckerwood.

Subject: RE: Did the Pecker
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Feb 24 - 06:43 AM

All of Pecker Dunnes children (including the girls ) are educated and they have excelled in their chosen professions. So whoever put that post up pretending to be his daughter is actually showing their own ignorance,lack of education and let's face it a bit of racism . If you know nothing about Pecker Dunne or his 10 children keep your racist opinion to yourself..
I know all this because l am his daughter.

I hope the person that submitted the racist, illiterate post can read this..

Subject: ADD: Tinker's Lullaby (Pecker Dunne)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 28 Feb 24 - 05:55 PM

TINKER'S LULLABY
(Pecker Dunne)

Go to sleep my little tinker
Let all your troubles pass you by
For you have no place to camp now
Oh that’s a tinker's lullaby.

Ever since you were a baby
Cradled in your mother's shawl
Society said they did not want you
And now you have no home at all

When your mother died and left you
You had to fend all alone
All in this land of saints and scholars
And still you have not got a home.

Although your clothes are torn and ragged
And your hair is silvery grey
Someday you'll die and go to heaven
And you will find a campground there.

Oh, Go to sleep my little tinker
Let all your troubles pass you by
For you have no place to camp now
Oh that's a tinker's lullaby.

Lyrics from https://cllrmannixflynn.blog/tag/irish-traveller-culture/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPyxiLppBj8

Subject: RE: Did the Pecker get royalties - Tinker's Lullaby
From: The Sandman
Date: 03 Mar 24 - 03:14 AM

He was a good entertainer good musician and a good perfomer

Subject: RE: Did the Pecker get royalties - Tinker's Lullaby
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 03 Mar 24 - 05:40 PM

Did he not write Sullivan's John? I always assumed he did.

Subject: RE: Did the Pecker get royalties - Tinker's Lullaby
From: The Sandman
Date: 03 Mar 24 - 06:15 PM

I think he wrote it

Subject: RE: Did the Pecker get royalties - Tinker's Lullaby
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 05 Mar 24 - 04:55 AM

It's entered into the community tradition, so I suppose you could call it semi-traditional. The tune is older I believe. I know other verses have been added, but I don't know them. No offence intended to the Pecker by anybody.

Subject: RE: Did the Pecker get royalties - Tinker's Lullaby
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 09 Apr 24 - 07:49 AM

Davtnova : 08 Apr 10 - 04:16 AM
mentioned the Bobbin Mill Camp in Perthshire.

Here's a more recent programme
The Tinker Experiment - 2023
History on the Edge
Anita Anand travels to Scotland on the trail of what’s become known as the 'Tinker Experiment’. Following World War 2, the aim of the authorities, helped by the Church of Scotland, was to get gypsy travellers to leave their nomadic traditions and lives behind for a settled life in mainstream society. There, they'd have a chance of education for their children who could be removed into care if they didn’t comply with the required 200 days attendance at school.

Anita travels to Bobbin Mill near Pitlochry where, in 1946, the McPhee family and other gypsy travellers were moved into an old wartime hut converted for four families. The accommodation was small and overcrowded for the nine McPhee children and their parents, and was without amenities such as electricity. There was also asbestos in the walls which wasn’t removed until the 1980s.

At Bobbin Mill, Anita meets Shamus McPhee and three of his sisters who still live on the site.
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001p77p