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Subject: BS: Not just Islam... From: beardedbruce Date: 12 Apr 07 - 02:28 PM "The violence continued Thursday, with the government blaming the Tigers for fatally shooting seven men and women from the country's Sinhalese majority as they prepared to celebrate the traditional New Year holiday. The military said the killings took place in a small village, Avaranthalawa, near rebel-held territory in northern Sri Lanka. The Tigers, formally known as the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam, have been fighting since 1983 for a separate homeland for Sri Lanka's 3.1 million Tamils, a largely Hindu ethnic group concentrated in eastern and northern Sri Lanka. The Tamils have faced decades of discrimination from the predominantly Buddhist Sinhalese, who make up a majority of the Indian Ocean nation's 19 million people. At least 65,000 people were killed before the 2002 cease-fire. At least another 4,000 people, many of them civilians, have been killed since December 2005." http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070412/ap_on_re_as/sri_lanka |
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Subject: RE: BS: Not just Islam... From: dianavan Date: 12 Apr 07 - 02:43 PM We need to have a War on Discrimination. Maybe then, the terrorism would cease. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Not just Islam... From: Amos Date: 12 Apr 07 - 02:58 PM How about a war for sanity? A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Not just Islam... From: beardedbruce Date: 12 Apr 07 - 03:04 PM Who would they get to fight it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Not just Islam... From: GUEST,Ian cookieless Date: 13 Apr 07 - 02:28 PM Well *of course* it isn't "just Islam". Fanatics of any description gravitate to any belief system that gives tight boundaries, strict rules and an enemy to hate. That could be a branch within Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Sikhism, etc. Racism, sexism, homophobia, nationalism, or being anti-religion will do just as well. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Not just Islam... From: DougR Date: 13 Apr 07 - 05:04 PM I don't think Islam is the problem at all. It's the extremist who are trying to hijack Islam and turn it into what they wish it to be thats the problem. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Not just Islam... From: skipy Date: 13 Apr 07 - 05:27 PM Thought:- If there where no islam, there would be no islam extremists! The next set of bombs due to go off in the U/K have probably already been made. I so much want to be wrong, but I doubt it. Skipy |
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Subject: RE: BS: Not just Islam... From: bubblyrat Date: 13 Apr 07 - 06:44 PM Please would you define the word , since it has appeared yet again, " Homophobia " . My limited knowledge of the etymology of the English language suggests " fear of men " but is it being mis-used in this context ?? There are many of us, I know , who, for personal and religious reasons, do not approve of homosexual behaviour, but that doesn"t mean that we"re FRIGHTENED !! ( it doesn"t make us extremists ,either ).Perhaps another word would be more appropriate and less ambiguous ?? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Not just Islam... From: Amos Date: 13 Apr 07 - 07:39 PM Homophobia is fear of same-sex, or homosexuality. The root homo in this case has nothing to do with men, but with "sameness" as in homogeneity. In popular parlance it is used to indicate an underlying fear of homosexuality, which is often attributed to the individual's repression of his own inner impulses toward the practice. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Not just Islam... From: GUEST,Pack E Date: 14 Apr 07 - 11:48 AM I love Islam! May I take this opportunity to apologise for everything and anything that our stinking brethren find offensive! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Not just Islam... From: Wolfgang Date: 14 Apr 07 - 04:05 PM Foreign words are difficult in all languages: Homophobia is verbatim fear of the same. But that's only the start. Let me give you a short introduction Hommosphobia (or: Hummusp.) is the fear to eat Arab food. Ham(m)asphobia is the fear to die by a suicide bombing. Hennaphobia is the fear of red haired women. Humusphobia is fear of earthworms. Hummerphobia is a generalised fear of SUVs. Hommaphobia is the fear of too much praise. Hunophobia is fear of people living more in the East than oneself. ... The expression ecce homo has been wrongly translated and censored through the centuries by the Christian churches suppressing alternative sex life styles. Of course, it really means Oh, look, a gay. Homunculus is self explaining and so let me add that homunculophobia is of course the fear that one's mother's or father's brother is gay. Just to finish on a more serious note, the Latin expression homo hominem lupus has also been wrongly translated for more than two millenia as a recent article in the Journal of the History of AIDS has convincingly shown. It is in fact the earliest know warning that an autoimmune disease may be transmitted by homosexual intercourse. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Not just Islam... From: Little Hawk Date: 14 Apr 07 - 08:41 PM Wherever there is a perception of "us and them" you have a potential problem. There have been terrible ethnic slaughters in Africa, for example, centred on old tribal disuputes...disputes which go back many generations and are not about religion, but about tribal identity. These kind of disputes don't usually become bloody until some aggressive politicians or other types of community leaders take advantage of them for their own gain. An example of what I mean: In Trinidad there are 3 major communities...Christians, Muslims, and Hindus. I am told by my Trinidadian friends that these communities normally get along fine with one another and are friendly to one another but not when political elections are near. It is then that various unscrupulous and mouthy politicians begin raising all kinds of divisive issues and fomenting trouble between the 3 communities. They do this to draw attention to themselves, to manipulate voters, and to cause trouble for their political opponents. It leads to an inevitable rise in bad feeling and crime. There have been numerous kidnappings, for instance, which were directly connected to the dirty tricks and power struggles in the political campaigns. The kidnappings are done to pressure people and to raise money. So in that case you have 3 groups of people who would probably get along fine if a bunch of politicians didn't repeatedly decide to start playing "divide and conquer" games on them. I think you'll find in most of these tragic struggles around the world that there are, as Doug R said, "a few extremists" at the heart of the trouble....that, and a few very ambitious and ruthless men. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Not just Islam... From: Nickhere Date: 14 Apr 07 - 09:26 PM Wolfgang: I know it doesn't start with a 'homo' but your list wouldn't be complete without mention of "Iraqnaphobia" an irrational fear held by neo-cons of men with big beards and strange headgear!! ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Not just Islam... From: Nickhere Date: 14 Apr 07 - 09:28 PM Skipy: "Thought:- If there where no islam, there would be no islam extremists!" And here's another thought - if none of us existed either, there'd be no one for them to fight.... :-[ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Not just Islam... From: Little Hawk Date: 14 Apr 07 - 11:34 PM Most Iraqi men have mustaches, Nickhere, not beards. But perhaps the neocons don't realize that... ;-) If there were no big corporate oil companies ripping off the people in those countries and funding corrupt monarchs and puppet governments to rule over them, there might be a lot less Islamic extremists around right now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Not just Islam... From: skipy Date: 15 Apr 07 - 01:00 PM Hi LH, so very, very, true! Skipy |
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Subject: RE: BS: Not just Islam... From: Wolfgang Date: 15 Apr 07 - 05:54 PM No, no, no, Nick, you must have confused that with Iracnephobia, the irrational fear most often found among the Irish that men with ugly skin rashes are all members of a paramilitary organisation or with irachnephobia, the fear of angry spiders, or perhaps even with Iraquoisphobia (etymological derivation unknown) which for obscure reasons is the scientifically correct name for the fear to put the missing "h" in the family name of Mahatma Gandi at the wrong position. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Not just Islam... From: GUEST,jed Date: 15 Apr 07 - 06:52 PM Skipy. "If there was no Islam there would be no Islamic extremists." Duh! If there were no re;ligion there would still be wars. Grab their oil now: ours is running out. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Not just Islam... From: GUEST,Ian cookieless Date: 16 Apr 07 - 01:54 PM "If there was no Islam there would be no Islamic extremists." True. In it's own way. Just as true as ... If there were no dodoes they wouldn't have become extinct. If there was no food there would be no starvation. If there were no people there would be no over-population. If there were no trees there would be no deforestation. If there were no sun there would be no sunstroke. If there was no life there would be no pain. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Not just Islam... From: Stringsinger Date: 16 Apr 07 - 01:54 PM Not just Islam but Christianity, Judaism, and Communism (which I think as practiced by Stalin was a kind of religion). Frank |
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Subject: RE: BS: Not just Islam... From: Little Hawk Date: 16 Apr 07 - 04:14 PM No doubt about that in my mind, Stringsinger. Pol Pot's philosophy was also a political religion, as was Chairman Mao's, and both of them were devoted to stamping out what they called "religion". Ironical, isn't it? What they really resented was this: people worshpping anyone else except them...or anything else except their ideas. Here's another political religion not recognized as such by its own adherents: "the American Way" (also called at one time "Manifest Destiny" and/or "the Monroe Doctrine"). Here was another, as immortalized by Rudyard Kipling: "the White Man's Burden". Here was another: Japan's "Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere". And another: Naziism. And another: Mussolini's Fascism. They were or are all religions, in fact, whether or not they include a deity in their calculations. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Not just Islam... From: Scoville Date: 16 Apr 07 - 05:04 PM Hummerphobia is a generalised fear of SUVs Damn, you got me. Thought:- If there where no islam, there would be no islam extremists! And your point is . . . ? All ideologies, religious or otherwise, produce the occasional extremist; it doesn't matter if it's Islam, Christian, PETA, or Trekkies who are married in Klingon ceremonies. The only way to get rid of [insert ideology here] extremists is to get rid of ideologies. In other words, it's an exercise in futility. The current situation is as much a political power struggle as anything, anyway. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Not just Islam... From: GUEST,meself Date: 16 Apr 07 - 05:12 PM And there are bullies who will be enthusiastic supporters of any movement, religion or ideology that they figure will give them the opportunity to bully. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Not just Islam... From: Little Hawk Date: 16 Apr 07 - 05:15 PM The only way to get rid of extremists is to kill everyone who is willing to kill any other people over a difference in philosophy... In which case one would oneself be becoming a very extreme extremist. Possibly the worse extremist of all time. ;-) Better to just accept that life is never perfect, there will always be some trouble in the world, and it's up to you to improve it by concentrating on improving your own conduct first. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Not just Islam... From: GUEST Date: 16 Apr 07 - 05:19 PM GUEST,Ian cookieless, Whilst what you say is philosophically undeniable, it doesn't have anything to say about reality. There are people, trees, food, the sun and such like.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Not just Islam... From: Little Hawk Date: 16 Apr 07 - 05:22 PM And there IS a religion called Islam, based on the writings and teachings of a real historical person called Mohammed. Islam is a real thing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Not just Islam... From: Peace Date: 16 Apr 07 - 05:23 PM The sun's existence is informed speculation. We have it on film, we can see it, but we've never touched it, so really . . . . |
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Subject: RE: BS: Not just Islam... From: Little Hawk Date: 16 Apr 07 - 09:32 PM Yes, it could be a mass hallucination. ;-) The warmth and light that appears to come from it could be due to another cause entirely. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Not just Islam... From: Peace Date: 16 Apr 07 - 09:35 PM Yeah. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Not just Islam... From: Peace Date: 16 Apr 07 - 09:35 PM Like what? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Not just Islam... From: bobad Date: 16 Apr 07 - 09:36 PM Hormones ? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Not just Islam... From: Little Hawk Date: 17 Apr 07 - 02:28 AM Could be... |
