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What started the war in Europe
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Subject: What started the war in Europe From: GUEST,Matt c. Date: 18 Jun 07 - 12:18 PM I started this thread to see other people's opinion on the war in Europe. |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: John MacKenzie Date: 18 Jun 07 - 12:20 PM Which one? There is no war ongoing in Europe at this moment in time! G. |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: MMario Date: 18 Jun 07 - 12:28 PM Can you narrow this down to a century at least? There is a very wide field to choose from when talking about "The war in Europe" |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: Megan L Date: 18 Jun 07 - 12:30 PM Weel i was told unoficially like that the seven year war was caused by one John Giok MacKenzie singing a rather lurid version of Spanish Ladies. |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: John MacKenzie Date: 18 Jun 07 - 12:30 PM This one? |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: MMario Date: 18 Jun 07 - 12:31 PM But it wasn't his singing that really caused it, it was the hand gestures he used as an accompianment! |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: Little Hawk Date: 18 Jun 07 - 12:34 PM It all began when Penelope Rutledge ran off with that Spanish Grand Duke or whatever the heck he was...the guy with a name a mile long. Another case of "the face that launched a thousand ships". After that a major conflict involving England, France and Spain was inevitable. Then Malcom Buggeroll took asylum in Germany and that drew the Germans in. A bloody mess, that's what it was, and all because of one British society woman with an unstable emotional life. |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: Megan L Date: 18 Jun 07 - 12:35 PM True Mario but i'm to innocent and quiet a wee thing tae mention that ;) |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: artbrooks Date: 18 Jun 07 - 12:37 PM Wasn't there something about the Spanish invading the Netherlands? And France invaded England at one point, England invaded France, Serbia invaded Albania (more than once), Germany invaded France at least five times, and everybody invaded Belgium. |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: Little Hawk Date: 18 Jun 07 - 12:40 PM That was pre-emptive and totally justified! The Belgians had hidden WMDs and they were planning to attack the rest of Europe. They had to be stopped. |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: Wolfgang Date: 18 Jun 07 - 12:46 PM accompianment? Do you mean accompianioment? Funny reason to start a war I'd rather see accompipement as a good enough reason for starting a war, or accombanjoment or... Wolfgang (feared bodhran accomloudmenter) |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: Little Hawk Date: 18 Jun 07 - 12:51 PM Ecssellant pint, Wolfgang. |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: John MacKenzie Date: 18 Jun 07 - 12:58 PM Was it after Franz Ferdinand was shot, or is that just wishful thinking on my part? G |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: Peace Date: 18 Jun 07 - 12:59 PM Lichtenstein and Andorra. It's the quiet little guys ya gotta watch out for. |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: MMario Date: 18 Jun 07 - 01:06 PM heck, Wolfgang - I'm a |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: Big Al Whittle Date: 18 Jun 07 - 01:28 PM It was essentially an argument between two choreographers. The Germans thought it went - sashay left, grapevine right, stomp, stomp, forward, and then turn back! We always felt it was more of a - step close step, promenade left, wiggle tush, wiggle tush, and tush push right! I think in the end, we were proved right. |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: John MacKenzie Date: 18 Jun 07 - 02:04 PM Mario may I suggest that within the next 50 years you'll be a Spanish speaking citizen of the US. G ¦¬] |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: GUEST,Matt c. Date: 18 Jun 07 - 04:44 PM Ok World War Two. |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: Peace Date: 18 Jun 07 - 04:48 PM It's generally accepted that in Europe the war started with the German attack on Poland. In SE Asia dn the Pacific with the Japanese attacks on China, USA, and both the British and Dutch colonies in that area. Are we in for a surprise, no offense? |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: Little Hawk Date: 18 Jun 07 - 05:43 PM World War II was due to a number of causes. First of all, you had some aggressive empire-building going on by 3 fascist powers in the 30's, those being Italy, Germany, and Japan...and you had the emergence of another fascist regime in Spain, helped by Germany and Italy. Italy had already had some adventures in Africa, attacking Ethiopia and taking it over. Germany was reasserting itself under the leadership of Hitler, first by militarizing the Rhineland, second by annexing Austria, third by annexing Czechoslovakia, and fourth by attacking Poland...in defiance of British and French warnings not to. Japan, meanwhile, was engaging in a lengthy and very bloody war against China, and looking to expand elsewhere in Asia and the Pacific in order to secure vital resources (oil, rubber, tin, etc). This made for a pretty unstable international situation. There were numerous spheres of influence colliding against each other. Japan and the USA had conflicting interests in Asia and the Pacific. Germany and Italy had their interests in Europe, which conflicted with those of Britain, France, and the USSR. It was basically a case of several competing empires (British, German, French, Italian, Japanese, Soviet, and American) getting in each other's way and inevitably drifting into a major war. So tell me, do you want the loooooong answer...or the short one. ;-) You can always point to one single incident (as if it just happened suddenly) and say: "that started the war" In truth, it is just not that simple. But if you want the simplest possible answer, devoid of explanations, it is this one: 1. Germany attacked Poland, thus ignoring objections to doing so by France and the UK. 2. France and the UK declared war on Germany. That officially started the main event called World War II. The other main players...Italy, Russia, Japan, the USA...took awhile to get involved, but it was inevitable that they would. (Oh, by the way, Russia did join Germany in attacking Poland in 1939, but the British and French only declared war on Germany over it. How about that, eh? The Russians and Germans were both regaining territory that had been theirs prior to World War I when they moved into Poland. This made it a "good idea" as far as they were concerned. The Poles didn't see it that way. Neither did the British and French.) There was a lot of wonderful propaganda from all the involved major parties justifying what they did, naturally, but it all amounted to one thing and one thing only: naked self-interest. And that is usually the case with wars. |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: skipy Date: 18 Jun 07 - 06:47 PM German: Will you stop talking about the war! Basil: Me? You started it! German: We did not start it. Basil: Yes you did, you invaded Poland... Skipy |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: Severn Date: 18 Jun 07 - 07:09 PM I don't know why I'm in this thread, but somone said "Europe Next!" and pushed me up to the plate. Let's see your best stuff...... |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: concertina ceol Date: 18 Jun 07 - 07:12 PM Bismark - Kaiser Bill - Entente Cordial + other alliances - Treaty of Versailles - Pernicious reparations - Facism/naionalism - Laisse Faire League of Nations - Arms race - Poland - Bang. Right there's your essay plan sorted. |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: artbrooks Date: 18 Jun 07 - 07:16 PM Don't forget anschluss and pan-Germanism-both subsets of nationalism, but specific to the war's beginnings. |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: Don Firth Date: 18 Jun 07 - 07:25 PM I thought it was because the king of France expressed his comtempt for what he considered to be the young playboy king of England by sending Henry V a box of tennis balls. Young King Henry showed a bit of unbrage by invading France and beating the crap out of them at Agincourt. The war went on for quite a while as I recall. A hundred years, wasn't it? Oh, yes. And while it was going on, I think they burned a saint., Don Firth P. S. Provided work for a number of people later on: Bill Shakespeare, Lawrence Olivier, Kenneth Branaugh, Ingrid Bergman, many others. . . . |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: Rapparee Date: 18 Jun 07 - 07:28 PM Duke Reginald IV, Hereditary Ruler of the Duchy, made off with Lady Aethelreda of Gandersheim. This forced the good Lady's husband, Gandalf of Gandersheim, to muster his forces and attack the Duchy even though all evidence (e.g., careful packing by the lady involved, various notes and letters) indicated willing compliance. The Merovingians became involved, of course, and forced the Lombards to attack both Rome and Naples. In due course this led to the 100 Years War, the Wars of the Roses, Henry VIII, the Defenestration of Prague (and its subsequent impact upon the Windows Operating System), the Treaty of Ghent, Otto von Bismarck, and a whole bunch of other stuff which ended up starting WW1, which was a mistake but which left Germany bankrupt and opened the door for A. Hitler & Co. Of course, Teddy Roosevelt and Britain and others forced Japan to build giant battleships and that led (as we all know) to the Battle of the Coral Sea, the invasion of Kiska and Attu, and eventually to the founding of the UN. HOWEVER, unfinished WW2 business brought about the Indo-Chinese War, the Mau-Mau, and other hyphenated combats. This should clarify things. Thank you. |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: Peace Date: 18 Jun 07 - 07:29 PM You can say THAT again! |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: concertina ceol Date: 18 Jun 07 - 07:34 PM Sorry I was only going from 1870 and the Franco-Prussian War. One of the things that stuck in my mind was the 100 years war lasted about 114 years although there was long periods of inactivity in the middle there while they were breeding new soldiers and nobles.... |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: Peace Date: 18 Jun 07 - 08:23 PM Yeah. And the War of 1812-14 lasted to 1815. |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: Little Hawk Date: 18 Jun 07 - 08:24 PM The REAL truth is...Liechtenstein is behind all of it. But they used Belgium as their catspaw. That's why Belgium kept getting invaded over and over again. Nothing to do with geography at all. |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: Peace Date: 18 Jun 07 - 08:28 PM So catspaw is behind it. I freakin' knew it! |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: Little Hawk Date: 18 Jun 07 - 08:37 PM "The fart heard 'round the world"... |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: Rapparee Date: 18 Jun 07 - 09:03 PM The use of poison gas is still a no-no, regardless of the type of no-no gas used. It's...it's...just NOT done!!! |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: bobad Date: 18 Jun 07 - 09:04 PM Yeah, that stuff could kill somebody. |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: GUEST,cookie Date: 18 Jun 07 - 10:35 PM Hitler started it. |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: Rapparee Date: 18 Jun 07 - 11:03 PM Actually, the use of chemical and biological warfare dates back much farther than most people think. Flinging plague corpses, dead or dying animals and similar stuff over city walls and poisoning wells has a very long history. So does the burning of sulphur, bitumen, and other chemicals when the wind is right. "Greek Fire" was used by, well, by the Greeks and the Byzantines. And for all I know, some caveman might have discovered that those rocks that glowed in the dark could also, mysteriously, rot your arm off.... |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: Little Hawk Date: 18 Jun 07 - 11:32 PM He didn't ask who, he asked what. |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: Liz the Squeak Date: 19 Jun 07 - 03:34 AM And there was me thinking it was some duke getting stabbed in the urinals. Or did I pick the wrong war? LTS |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: GUEST,PMB Date: 19 Jun 07 - 04:08 AM I don't know who started it, but by the bus route into town there there used to be a war memorial, a statue of a soldier in heroic pose, rifle with fixed bayonet in one hand, butt (the rifle's) resting on the ground, and bearskin hat raised aloft in the other hand in a gesture of triumph. I overheard two small boys discussing this- "Who's that", asked one. "That's The Man Who Won The War!" the other replied. |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: concertina ceol Date: 19 Jun 07 - 09:18 AM whenever it was, wherever it was - "THEY" started it and we're justified in retaliating. On you go for ever......... and ever...... |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: Rapparee Date: 19 Jun 07 - 09:33 AM Oh, "what"! The rock that hit Ugga in the head when it left the hand of Yesgak. So rock started the war in Europe. |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: TheSnail Date: 19 Jun 07 - 09:50 AM Liz the Squeak And there was me thinking it was some duke getting stabbed in the urinals. No, he was shot in the Balkans. |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: Little Hawk Date: 19 Jun 07 - 10:02 AM Ouch! That really hurts. |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: GUEST,cookie Date: 19 Jun 07 - 11:23 AM you can say that again! |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: open mike Date: 19 Jun 07 - 02:35 PM SEE DR. SEUSS BUTTER BATTLE BOOK (about a battle that begins over which side of the bread the butter is spread on and escalates...) A cautionary Cold War tale (first told by Dr. Seuss back in 1984), The Butter Battle Book still has a lot to teach about intolerance and how tit-for-tat violence can quickly get out of hand. Explaining the very serious differences between the Zooks and the Yooks, a Zook grandpa tells his grandchild the unspeakable truth: "It's high time that you knew of the terribly horrible thing that Zooks do. In every Zook house and every Zook town every Zook eats his bread with the butter side down!" He then recalls his days with the Zook-Watching Border Patrol, as he gave any Zook who dared come close "a twitch with my tough-tufted prickley Snick-Berry Switch." But when the Zooks fought back, the switches gave way to Triple-Sling Jiggers, then Jigger-Rock Snatchems--even a Kick-a-Poo Kid that was "loaded with powerful Poo-a-Doo Powder and ants' eggs and bees' legs and dried-fried clam chowder." With lots of fun and more-than-fair digs at the runaway spending and one-upmanship of U.S.-Soviet days, The Butter Battle Book makes a chuckle-filled read whether you're old enough to get the historical references or not. (And with all the Bitsy Big-Boy Boomeroos still in service, this book's message is far from obsolete.) |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: Don Firth Date: 19 Jun 07 - 04:05 PM And no matter which side your bread is buttered on, if you happen to drop it, it lands butter-side down. No matter how trivial or serious the intitial excuse, a lot of innocent people are going to wind up dead. "It's not right and it doesn't make sense, but it's what makes us what we are." —Red Green Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 19 Jun 07 - 05:51 PM Hundred Years Wars. Wouldn't it be great if this one we are still engaged in (Balkan Wars/ Great War/ World War II/ Cold War/ "War on Terror" only turned out to be a Hundred Years War. That'd mean it was nearly over. Some chance. |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: el_punkoid_nouveau Date: 19 Jun 07 - 06:13 PM Well now... let's see... Basically, the relationship between Britain and France has been a state of war since, oh, about 1065 - when the Normans (being Vikings disguised as Frenchmen really) decided that they were bored of being French and wanted to be English. So they came over here in 1066, and decided to cheat in the ritual football match by a. pretending to run away and b. using arrows. Of course, being Englishmen, and thus Top Dogs (if you don't believe me, try reading Sellars and Yeatman - 1066 and all that), we were none too pleased with this situation, and promptly decided that the best response was to knock 7 shades of brickdust out of France on any possible occasion. And this we continued to do for some 850 years, every 50 years or so giving them a severe bashing generally with the assistance of the Germans - or at least, what were to become the Germans. This kept the French in their place, and gave rise to all sorts of wonderful inventions down the years, such as the British Empire. Unfortunately, we allowed this to slip during the twentieth century, and on a couple of occasions, decided to take sides with France and play havoc with the Germans. Which was not a Good Thing to do, because it allowed the French to get uppity and actually think that they could win the important things in life - notably the Six Nations. Which, incidentally, ensures that war is continued in Europe, in much the same way as the Wars of the Roses are still fought at Headingley and Old Trafford on a regular basis. epn |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: Wilfried Schaum Date: 20 Jun 07 - 02:50 AM McGrath - considering that the original Hundred years Wars lasted 116 years we still have to wait a little bit longer. |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: guitar Date: 20 Jun 07 - 04:17 AM I love it when I read/hear people say that there has been peace in Europe after the second world war what a load of rubbish. there will always be wars because of the idiots that are running the world |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: artbrooks Date: 20 Jun 07 - 07:00 AM Guitar, anyone who thinks that there has been peace in Europe since 1945 hasn't been paying attention. They should consider Serbia vs. Kosovo (or is it Kosovo vs. Serbia?) and Serbia vs. Croatia and Bosnia, not to mention the Northern Irish against each other and some of them against the British. In addition, European nations have been actively involved in most of the non-European wars over the past sixty years, one way or another. |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: Leadfingers Date: 20 Jun 07 - 08:07 AM And dont forget that The Basques have been at war with Spain for THAT long ! |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: Gurney Date: 20 Jun 07 - 05:17 PM WWII was started by New Zealand, who declared war on Germany. Followed by the other members of the British Commonwealth of Nations, as the world turned. What CAUSED the war is somewhat different. |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: GUEST,PETR Date: 20 Jun 07 - 07:30 PM - probably the massive reparations required of Germany after the Versailles treaty set the stage. LH good points and you forgot to add that Czechoslovakia had a treaty with France and England that they would go to each others aid if attacked... And after Munich Poland took the opportunity to help itself to some disputed Czech territory. |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: artbrooks Date: 20 Jun 07 - 07:57 PM There is a pretty good case to be made for the theory that WW-1 and WW-2 were one conflict, with a 20+ year hiatus. |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: Rapparee Date: 20 Jun 07 - 09:24 PM Right, Art. I've often wondered what would have happened after WW1 if the British, French, etc. had helped Germany rather impose the vindictive "reparations" and terms they did. |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: MudGuard Date: 21 Jun 07 - 02:55 PM The war in Europe started when Hannibal brought in his elephants ... |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: cookster Date: 21 Jun 07 - 03:00 PM good one. |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: Rapparee Date: 21 Jun 07 - 04:55 PM Nonsense. It started with Adam and Eve's first child and it's been going on ever since. |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: cookster Date: 21 Jun 07 - 05:01 PM again good one. |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp Date: 21 Jun 07 - 05:35 PM Adam and Eve weren't Europeans. |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: vectis Date: 22 Jun 07 - 07:00 AM Maybe they were refugees then and came to europe looking for a better life with fewer serpents and plenty of apples & tomatoes |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: Liz the Squeak Date: 23 Jun 07 - 02:33 AM Bloody Tourists, come here, stealing our apples!!!! LTS |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: Rapparee Date: 23 Jun 07 - 09:40 AM Ain't much worse than a snake in an apple tree, I allas say. |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: Liz the Squeak Date: 23 Jun 07 - 08:44 PM The snake was framed!! LTS |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: Bill D Date: 23 Jun 07 - 09:48 PM the war in Europe? Well, the Neanderthals were getting along just fine, until the Cro-Magnons started using spear-throwers! Escalation, I tell you! Game got scarce, and territory was a problem during the Ice Ages....so..... |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: Rapparee Date: 23 Jun 07 - 10:59 PM Actually, Hector the Iguanadon ate Emma, an apatosaurus (she was dead at the time). This annoyed all of Emma's friends, some of whom were ultrasaurs. Hector's family and friends stuck up for him, of course, and that's how it started. |
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Subject: RE: What started the war in Europe From: Riginslinger Date: 24 Jun 07 - 09:56 PM Maybe it was international banking. The beginning of globalization. |
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