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Obit: WWE's Chris Benoit and family 06/25/2007
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Subject: Obit: WWE's Chris Benoit and family 06/25/2007 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 26 Jun 07 - 04:38 AM Not a big fan of Wrestling Entertainment but my son is and he has just informed me that WWE's Chris Benoit, along with his wife and son, were found dead in their house yesterday (25th June). No cause of death has been released yet but police are currently treating it as a murder/suicide. Benoit dropped out of Saturdays show due to a family crisis. I can only find details on the WWE's own site, WWE.com I had not watched for a while but I was aware that the show was currently in the middle of a plot involing the 'assasination' of chairman Vince MacMahon. A 'rememberence' show for him has been cancelled. I do hope that will cause other people to realise that a fake death is not something to be used as entertainment. It seems a very sad thing to happen and I hope that his friends and the families of both Mr and Mrs Benoit will find the solace that they will need in the coming weeks. Dave. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: WWE's Chris Benoit and family 06/25/2007 From: skipy Date: 26 Jun 07 - 05:30 AM There is some information on wikipedia Skipy |
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Subject: RE: Obit: WWE's Chris Benoit and family 06/25/2007 From: skipy Date: 26 Jun 07 - 06:18 AM Pro wrestling star found dead with family Tuesday Jun 26 10:00 AEST Professional wrestling star Chris Benoit has been found dead alongside the bodies of his wife and son. World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE) has confirmed in a statement that the bodies of Benoit, his wife Nancy and son Daniel were discovered in their Atlanta home overnight. "World Wrestling Entertainment is deeply saddened to report that today Chris Benoit and his family were found dead in their home," the statement on their website says. "There are no further details at this time, other than the Benoit family residence is currently being investigated by local authorities." A wrestling show scheduled for US Pay-TV today has been replaced with a tribute to the 40-year-old, who was one of the most decorated performers in professional wrestling. cut & paste, Skipy |
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Subject: RE: Obit: WWE's Chris Benoit and family 06/25/2007 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 26 Jun 07 - 07:27 AM Most up to date information still seems to be at the WWE site here D. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: WWE's Chris Benoit and family 06/25/2007 From: Rapparee Date: 26 Jun 07 - 09:12 AM FAYETTEVILLE, Ga. (AP) -- Pro wrestler Chris Benoit canceled a pay-per-view appearance at the "Vengeance" event in Houston because of "personal reasons" a day before he, his wife and their 7-year-old son were found dead in an apparent murder-suicide. Details of the deaths "are going to prove a little bizarre" when released to the public, Fayette County District Attorney Scott Ballard told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. Autopsies were scheduled Tuesday by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation in DeKalb County. Authorities were investigating the deaths at a secluded Fayette County home as a murder-suicide and were not seeking any suspects. Investigators believe Benoit, (pronounced ben-WAH) killed his wife and son over the weekend and then himself sometime Monday. The bodies were found Monday afternoon in three different rooms of the house on Green Meadow Lane, in a subdivision off a gravel road about two miles from the Whitewater Country Club. Ballard told The Associated Press a gun was not used in any of the deaths. But he declined to say how the three died. "We're pretty sure we know, but we want to confirm it with the crime lab," Ballard said early Tuesday. Fayette County Coroner C.J. Mowell did not return phone calls. The answering service for his funeral home said he was out of town. World Wrestling Entertainment said on its Web site that it asked authorities to check on Benoit and his family after being alerted by friends who received "several curious text messages sent by Benoit early Sunday morning." Sheriff's Lt. Tommy Pope told WSB-TV that the three were found about 2:30 p.m., but he wouldn't release other details. Stamford, Conn.-based WWE also said on its Web site it had been asked by authorities not to release further information on the deaths of Benoit, 40; his wife, Nancy, 43; and son, Daniel. Benoit was born in Montreal. He was a former world heavyweight champion, Intercontinental champion and held several tag-team titles over his career. He was known by several names including "The Canadian Crippler." "WWE extends its sincerest thoughts and prayers to the Benoit family's relatives and loved ones in this time of tragedy," the company said in a statement on its Web site. Benoit had maintained a home in metro Atlanta from the time he wrestled for the defunct World Championship Wrestling. The WWE canceled its live "Monday Night RAW" card in Corpus Christi, Texas, and USA Network aired a three-hour tribute to Benoit in place of the scheduled wrestling telecast. Benoit's wife managed several wrestlers and went by the stage name, "Woman," The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported. They met when her then-husband drew up a script that had them involved in a relationship as part of an ongoing story line on World Championship Wrestling, the newspaper said. Benoit has two other children from a prior relationship. Sorry for the C&P. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: WWE's Chris Benoit and family 06/25/2007 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 26 Jun 07 - 10:21 AM There was a mention of waiting for toxicology reports as well, indicating that drugs or poisons were suspected, but it will be of little use to speculate here. D. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: WWE's Chris Benoit and family 06/25/2007 From: Jim Lad Date: 26 Jun 07 - 05:23 PM My deepest sympathy to his wife and child. Jim |
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Subject: RE: Obit: WWE's Chris Benoit and family 06/25/2007 From: Becca72 Date: 26 Jun 07 - 05:28 PM Jim, speculative reports are that he killed his wife and child... |
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Subject: RE: Obit: WWE's Chris Benoit and family 06/25/2007 From: Rapparee Date: 26 Jun 07 - 05:54 PM FAYETTEVILLE, Ga. (AP) -- Pro wrestler Chris Benoit strangled his wife, suffocated his 7-year-old son and placed a Bible next to their bodies before hanging himself with a weight-machine pulley, authorities said Tuesday. Investigators found anabolic steroids in the house and want to know whether the muscle man nicknamed "The Canadian Crippler" was unhinged by the bodybuilding drugs, which can cause paranoia, depression and explosive outbursts known as "roid rage." Authorities offered no motive for the killings, which were spread out over a weekend, and would not discuss Benoit's state of mind. No suicide note was found. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: WWE's Chris Benoit and family 06/25/2007 From: Sorcha Date: 26 Jun 07 - 08:15 PM The Bibles are what gets me. Was he after the Old Testament or the New? Eye for an eye or Thou shalt not kill?, or any number of other things in either half of the 'Bible'. But, honestly, he must have been in very sad shape. Probably from the anabolics. Far be it from ME to suggest that WWE and McMahon encourage the use of same in any way. Nor of course any professional 'wrestling' organization. Hey, whatever it is, it's NOT wrestling. I don't consider it 'entertainment' either. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: WWE's Chris Benoit and family 06/25/2007 From: Jim Lad Date: 26 Jun 07 - 08:19 PM The man was a walking Pharmacy. No doubt the WWE will distance themselves from that side of it. Again. Deepest sympathy to his wife and child. Jim |
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Subject: RE: Obit: WWE's Chris Benoit and family 06/25/2007 From: GUEST,Big Bad John Date: 26 Jun 07 - 09:44 PM I can tell you that every wrestler is devastated by what Chris did and not one of us can possibly understand it. Don't believe the stories of steroid rage. The murders and the suicide were methodical, not the action of someone in a rage. When I first came up a few years ago, Chris was one of the veterans that took me under his wing. He was the nicest guy and always had time for the newbies. I CAN'T BELIEVE HE DID SUCH A THING. May the family rest in peace. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: WWE's Chris Benoit and family 06/25/2007 From: Jim Lad Date: 27 Jun 07 - 03:40 AM My heart goes out to you, John. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: WWE's Chris Benoit and family 06/25/2007 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 27 Jun 07 - 03:48 AM Good to see your post, BB John. I remember you posting here a long time ago and wondered if you still were around the old 'cat. I have seen you a couple of times on the 'box' now. Thanks for posting at this sad time for you and all your collegues and I appreciate your views on what happened. I suspect no-one will ever really know, but those closest to him will have a better idea than many. Dave. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: WWE's Chris Benoit and family 06/25/2007 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 27 Jun 07 - 06:35 AM Press Release from the WWE. Suspect it will not stop the gutter press from their harmful deliberations though. STAMFORD, Conn., June 26, 2007 – World Wrestling Entertainment is stunned and saddened by the details released by local authorities concerning the double homicide-suicide involving Chris Benoit, his wife, Nancy, and his son, Daniel. However, WWE is concerned with the sensationalistic reporting and speculation being undertaken by some members of the media following the press conference held by the Fayette County Sheriff's Department and the District Attorney. During the press conference, the investigating authorities made the following points, all of which run contrary to the media speculation that "roid rage" was a factor in the senseless murders and suicide: 1. The authorities stated that all drugs found in the house were believed to be legal prescriptions. 2. Steroids were not, and could not, be related to the cause of death (asphyxiation). Authorities had no factual basis to speculate as to Benoit's state of mind, and rightly did not do so. 3. Toxicology tests have not even been completed, so there is no current evidence that Benoit even had steroids or any other substance in his body. In that regard, on the last test done on Benoit by WWE's independently administered drug testing program, done on April 10, 2007, Benoit tested negative. 4. The physical findings announced by authorities indicate deliberation, not rage. The wife's feet and hands were bound and she was asphyxiated, not beaten to death. By the account of the authorities, there were substantial periods of time between the death of the wife and the death of the son, again suggesting deliberate thought, not rage. The presence of a Bible by each is also not an act of rage. 5. WWE strongly suggests that it is entirely wrong for speculators to suggest that steroids had anything to do with these senseless acts, especially when the authorities plainly stated there is no evidence that Benoit had steroids in his body, pending the toxicological reports, and that they had no evidence at this time as to the motive for these acts. WWE is continuing to monitor the ongoing investigation being conducted by local authorities. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: WWE's Chris Benoit and family 06/25/2007 From: Sorcha Date: 27 Jun 07 - 08:52 AM OK, so it may not have been drugs. Something weird going on anyway. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: WWE's Chris Benoit and family 06/25/2007 From: Rapparee Date: 27 Jun 07 - 09:10 AM Like so many others, this whole thing is very, very sad. I can understand suicide. But why take others with you? |
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Subject: RE: Obit: WWE's Chris Benoit and family 06/25/2007 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 27 Jun 07 - 09:48 AM I'm sure it will all come out in due course, Rap. Things are taking odd twists now. After the tribute show on Monday the management were obliged to issue almost a 'retraction'. It must be very difficult to pay tribute to a man who was the friend and hero of many who then suffered a trauma so severe that he took the life of his own loved ones. Who knows what our own minds can do and I just hope that nothing ever happens that will unhinge me or any of my loved ones to that extent. They next few shows wil be dedicated to those that are left in th ewake of the tradgedy and, in the companies own words, they will begin the healing process. If you are still about BBJ, we have seen the 'public face' in the messages sent out by management. Is it a reflection of what is felt in the 'locker room'? Dave. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: WWE's Chris Benoit and family 06/25/2007 From: GUEST,a fan of his Date: 27 Jun 07 - 12:45 PM i here so many things about that he lost his mind and killed his family and his self. on wrestling it seemed to me that he was fine. i hard his wife had a emer order on him. i say though that chris was a great wrestling and he will be missed by me and my fiance. my e-mail address is DEEDEE00033@yahoo.com if you want to set me start on the truth of the matter. my name is april |
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Subject: RE: Obit: WWE's Chris Benoit and family 06/25/2007 From: Becca72 Date: 27 Jun 07 - 01:12 PM They didn't call him the "rabid wolverine" for no reason. He was always a little over the top. I have no idea as to his mental state or motivation, but I watched WWE for a number of years and I will say he always struck me as "intense". |
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Subject: RE: Obit: WWE's Chris Benoit and family 06/25/2007 From: Greg B Date: 27 Jun 07 - 06:28 PM When I worked for Oracle, following his demotion and during a divorce, my 2nd-level manager murdered his 5-year-old son, and then killed himself. Who knows why people do such things? Oracle, at the time, was about as 'real' as professional wrestling. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: WWE's Chris Benoit and family 06/25/2007 From: GUEST,harpgirl Date: 27 Jun 07 - 08:16 PM My son told me about this. He is a very big professional wrestling fanatic and this upset him a great deal. I'm guessing Benoit's wife was unfaithful and he became psychotic over this fact. It is so sad. Steroid use may have contributed to his emotional state but this appears to be an emotional reaction to a betrayal. A psychosis with no provocation is also a possibility but the fact that he killed his son as well, suggests to me he was angry with his wife and was punishing her. So very sad. WWE should have a staff psychologist, in my opinion. I don't think they do. My condolences to all in this sad homicide/suicide. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: WWE's Chris Benoit and family 06/25/2007 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 28 Jun 07 - 04:05 AM I wonder if they do have a psychologist? It would certainly be a good idea. It is well known that people can become so immersed in their roles that their character takes over. Imagine for one minute method acting the role of a brutal psychopath week-in, week-out? Chris Benoit was not really in this category, being one of the 'good guys', but there are plenty of 'heels' that would be realy scary if they 'went native'. I often wonder the wisdom of having storylines where people beat each other with sledgehammers, set fire to people, put them in coffins and bury them etc. Prior to this tragedy they even faked the 'assasination' of chairman Vince MacMahon! Worse though is the strong line that comes through most plots that you should do absolutely anything to win. Cheating and lying is the most common, with bad losers and, very oddly, bad winners coming in a close second. You and I know that it is just a show but looking at the audience at times it makes me wonder if they know that! D. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: WWE's Chris Benoit and family 06/25/2007 From: Becca72 Date: 28 Jun 07 - 03:00 PM The story on the Today show this morning (and subsequent interview with Mr McMahon) was that the Benoits were arguing over the education and care requirements of their son, who was mentally challenged. I have heard nothing of an extra marital affair. That's not saying it isn't true, just that it wasn't part of the story they're telling today. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: WWE's Chris Benoit and family 06/25/2007 From: SINSULL Date: 28 Jun 07 - 03:02 PM That's a cruel "guess" harpgirl. According to news reports, the couple had been having problems for years. She filed for a divorce in 2003 but withdrew the petition. Their problems revolved around handling their son who suffered from mental reatardation. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: WWE's Chris Benoit and family 06/25/2007 From: GUEST,harpgirl Date: 28 Jun 07 - 05:27 PM Perhaps an inaccurate guess. But I don't see how it is cruel. It is still very sad. Why do you think he would kill them both over having a son who might be difficult to raise? Maybe he killed them both because she wanted to divorce him. Think about it some more SINSULL. Men usually kill like this over an emotional betrayal, a psychosis, the wish to destroy a woman who is leaving them so no one else can have her, or to get rid of a wife so they can have a new woman. Or the steroid use made him respond in a grossly inappropriate way to their challenges as parents. there is a lot more to this story than we know so far. But don't villify me for making an educated guess. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: WWE's Chris Benoit and family 06/25/2007 From: SINSULL Date: 28 Jun 07 - 06:47 PM I have to admit - I love American wrestling. Loved it more when Rakishi(sp?) and the Dudley Boys were more active. It is Sports Entertainment. Nothing more than soap operas with jocks. But there is a lot of humor and irony amid the grunting and fake falls. "Think about it some more, SINSULL" Raedwulf has expanded on my point, possibly a bit more heavy handedly than I would have chosen but none the less the point is made. No. I will wait until the facts, such as they are, are spun by the Press. Meantime, I join in mourning sad and senseless deaths.
-Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Obit: WWE's Chris Benoit and family 06/25/2007 From: GUEST,harpgirl Date: 28 Jun 07 - 06:56 PM Why do Raedwulf and SINSULL think these tragic domestic murders happen? Once agin, whatever the reasons, which we can never really know now that this family is gone...it is terribly tragic and sad. The grandparents and aunts and uncles will be left with much sorrow. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: WWE's Chris Benoit and family 06/25/2007 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 29 Jun 07 - 04:27 AM No good trying to guess - I think it would be best to wait for the inquest. D. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: WWE's Chris Benoit and family 06/25/2007 From: kendall Date: 29 Jun 07 - 10:03 AM An educated guess is still just a guess. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: WWE's Chris Benoit and family 06/25/2007 From: SINSULL Date: 29 Jun 07 - 10:21 AM And a personal attack whether on the forum or in a PM is still a personal attack. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: WWE's Chris Benoit and family 06/25/2007 From: GUEST,Big Bad John Date: 29 Jun 07 - 02:18 PM On June 26, I said: "Don't believe the stories of steroid rage. The murders and the suicide were methodical, not the action of someone in a rage." I retract that statement. I've now learned from several reliable sources, that long term steroid use also causes severe depression which could help explain Chris' state of mind. The person who said the following is way off base: "I'm guessing Benoit's wife was unfaithful and he became psychotic over this fact. It is so sad. Steroid use may have contributed to his emotional state but this appears to be an emotional reaction to a betrayal." Beyond the possible effects of steroids, the big emotional factor was probably Chris' inability to deal with his son's suffering from Fragile X, a condition very similar to severe autism. On a personal note, these events have affected me very deeply. I have used steroids my self and I'm now very scared about the consequences. I haven't been under contract with the WWE for about a year and a half now and have only been working indie shows from time to time. I'm not accepting any more wrestling bookings. Once my current obligations are finished, I'm done with wrestling. I doubt that I'll even watch ot on TV again. Hopefully, I'll find a normal job somewhere giving me time to get back into the music I've been missing so much over the past few years. And hopefully, I'll have more time to hang out at Mudcat Cafe. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: WWE's Chris Benoit and family 06/25/2007 From: Cluin Date: 29 Jun 07 - 02:34 PM Sounds like you know when to shift gears. Good luck to you, BBJ, in your future endeavours. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: WWE's Chris Benoit and family 06/25/2007 From: GUEST,Lisa Date: 29 Jun 07 - 04:23 PM It seems to me that WWE jumped the gun with their TRIBUTE. This was not an unfortunate accident, but a brutal murder. No domestic abuser deserves a tribute. I know this from experience. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: WWE's Chris Benoit and family 06/25/2007 From: Peace Date: 29 Jun 07 - 04:33 PM The toxicology reports will be out soon enough. It would be nice if people could suspend their opinions until they have a few facts. The fact available at present is murders/suicide. Beyond that, no one knows a damned thing. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: WWE's Chris Benoit and family 06/25/2007 From: Jim Lad Date: 29 Jun 07 - 04:52 PM Big Bad John: You're working through it. Don't make your decisions final, for a wee while yet. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: WWE's Chris Benoit and family 06/25/2007 From: jacqui.c Date: 30 Jun 07 - 03:44 PM From what I have heard the wife was killed one day and the son the next. Doesn't sound to me as if the murder of the boy was a way of punishing the wife, if that is the sequence of events. I hope that none of the family of either victim or murderer get to read some of what has been 'guessed' at here. They have enough grief already. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: WWE's Chris Benoit and family 06/25/2007 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 01 Jul 07 - 12:02 PM Agreed, Jacqui. Speculation is at best pointless and at worse harmful to the surviving relatives. Big Bad John - I agree with what Jim says. I am sure your decision will be supported, whatever it is, but grief makes the thought process faulty - Wait until the grieving stops before making any long term plans. Good luck to you whatever you do. Cheers Dave |
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