BS: Ann Coulter back in the news

Subject: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: Riginslinger
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 02:00 PM

RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) — Elizabeth Edwards pleaded Tuesday with Ann Coulter to "stop the personal attacks," a day after the conservative commentator said she wished Edwards' husband, Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards, had been killed by terrorists.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: Ebbie
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 02:08 PM

Oh, but, Riginslinger, don't you realize that Coulter is just joking? She says so herself.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: JeremyC
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 02:13 PM

Ann Coulter is a professional troll. Her opinions don't seem to be worth serious attention, and any attention only makes her stronger.

Hm. Ann Althouse is the same way (except for her posts about the Supreme Court, which are actually interesting).

In conclusion, ignore anyone named Ann.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: Ebbie
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 02:15 PM

Darn. I have a good friend named Ann. But if I must ignore her, I must. :)

The problem with ignoring Coulter is that among a certain crowd
her books sell like hotcakes

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: saulgoldie
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 02:18 PM

If everyone ignored her, she would shrivel up and blow away as dust. With any luck, so would Paris Hilton.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 02:18 PM

I have an idea! Lets lock Ann Coulter in a room with Paris Hilton, make a video of their...ummmm....'interaction', and sell it to Fox News.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 02:19 PM

LOL...fascinating timing, saul...your post was maybe 5 seconds ahead of mine.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: John Hardly
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 02:31 PM

"RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) — Elizabeth Edwards pleaded Tuesday with Ann Coulter to "stop the personal attacks," a day after the conservative commentator said she wished Edwards' husband, Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards, had been killed by terrorists."

In its full context, what Coulter said was that, though it raised outrage that she called Edwards a "faggot", it did not raise outrage among the very same people when Bill Maher said that he wished that VP Cheney had been killed in the failed terrorist assassination plot. (I just heard the full sound clips of both Maher's and Coulter's comments)

She was saying that apparently it is okay to wish that a political figure was killed by terrorists, but not okay to call them "faggots".

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: Becca72
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 02:37 PM

She also made some rather mean remarks about the Edwards' deceased son. I don't know the full context of the comments but you know coming from her it was nasty.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 02:37 PM

I don't get why it matters to anyone what people like Coulter and Limbaugh say. They're just preaching to their own choirs. Nothing either of them has ever said has made anyone change his or her opinion about anything. The people who listen to or read them already share their opinions. Those people are just looking for validation via the "If it's in the media, it must be true." route.

The smartest thing Elizabeth Edwards could have said is "Who is this person and why should I care about the bile she feels compelled to spew?" There's not a potential Edwards supporter in the entire US to whom Ann Coulter's opinion is worth warm spit.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: Ebbie
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 02:57 PM

"If I'm going to say anything about John Edwards in the future, I'll just wish he had been killed in a terrorist assassination plot," Coulter said Monday, riffing on remarks made by HBO's Bill Maher.

"He suggested in March (MARCH!) that "people wouldn't be dying needlessly" if Vice President Dick Cheney had been killed in an insurgent attack in Afghanistan"

What apologists for Coulter don't mention is that Elizabeth Edwards has nothing to do with whatever Bill Maher said. So, in what way was the remark about John Edwards called for?

I believe firmly that the people here on the Mudcat and elsewhere who hold furtive admiration for Coulter are people who are too timid to express the same opinions she expresses. But agree with those opinions.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: John Hardly
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 03:05 PM

"What apologists for Coulter don't mention is that Elizabeth Edwards has nothing to do with whatever Bill Maher said. So, in what way was the remark about John Edwards called for?"


Because Ms Edwards commented before she understood the context of Coulter's words?

puh-leez.

This thread of outrage is started by a guy (Frankham) who in no uncertain terms stated that there should be no tolerance for people of faith.

Feel the love.

If you ask me, BWL pretty well said it all.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: Amos
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 03:32 PM

I think it is a national shame that Coulter is anything but a little-known lunatic fringe writer. She shows all the intelligence and insight of The National Enquirer, but without the humor.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: Ebbie
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 03:36 PM

Elizabeth Edwards didn't understand the context of Coulter's words? Why would you think that? Edwards doesn't strike me as stupid or ill-informed. Coulter made her remark on Monday. On Tuesday Elizabeth Edwards made her plea for civility.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 03:42 PM

Amos, unfortunately you can't say she is "little known". Her marketing machine has cranked her out all over the media. Too many people know her, but they are catching on to her crap.

She is spreading herself too thin - in more ways than one.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 03:43 PM

She's a vicious hate-monger. What I can't understand is why anybody paid any attention to her spittle-spraying ravings in the first place.

I wonder what kind of a childhood she must have had to become what she is.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: Amos
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 03:45 PM

Ron,

I did not say she was little known. I said I thought she should be nothing more than little known.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 03:46 PM

Sorry, it was the way that you worded the sentence. Got it.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: Riginslinger
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 04:01 PM

"Oh, but, Riginslinger, don't you realize that Coulter is just joking? She says so herself."


                When a blonde praying mantis cracks wise, why are we surprised when nobody laughs?

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: CarolC
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 04:08 PM

Frankham posts these days as stringsinger. This thread was started by Riginslinger. I notice a lot of people seem to get these two screen names confused.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: John Hardly
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 04:10 PM

Ebbie,

Because, in context, what Coulter said -- vis-a-vis terrorists killing Edwards -- was not about Edwards. It was about the likes of those here who have no problem with Maher's comments about KILLING (because they agree with them), but have a problem with her use of "Faggot".

Ms Edwards comments reflect that she did not understand that.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: John Hardly
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 04:12 PM

"Frankham posts these days as stringsinger. This thread was started by Riginslinger. I notice a lot of people seem to get these two screen names confused."

Thanks for pointing that out. I have, indeed, confused the two.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: CarolC
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 04:13 PM

BTW, John, the post you were referring to about "not tolerating people of faith" was not posted by Frankham (stringsinger), but by Riginslinger.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: John Hardly
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 04:13 PM

...So riginslinger is the anti-religious bigot to whom I referred. My sincerest apologies to stringslinger.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: CarolC
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 04:14 PM

Oops. Crossposted, John.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: Barry Finn
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 04:14 PM

She's not "little known" to me. I don't have a clew who she was except for the life she's been given here & that seems to be a waste. I'd prfere not to even know of the existence of folks like her. Though I guess I couldn't help know of Limbaugh, he's another that lives because of his debased value shocks people, to bad some listen. I only wish folks would leave these people to blow away in their own wind/mind.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: John Hardly
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 04:14 PM

cross-posted and corrected.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 05:11 PM

Our Frankham (Stringsinger) is the former Weaver (albeit briefly). A much more balanced, knowledgeable, and generous individual than the "Riginslinger" one who is a cowbird, playing with Frank's moniker and fouling the nest.

SRS (many puns to be resisted with the analogy)

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: John Hardly
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 05:15 PM

That's why I was so happy to be corrected. Riginslinger didn't seem "Frankham-like".

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: CarolC
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 05:20 PM

Riginslinger is probably a variation on the term rigging slinger.

I tend to doubt (please correct me if I'm wrong, Riginslinger) that Riginslinger even knew about Stringsinger when he/she chose that screen name.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: GUEST,Big Mick
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 05:45 PM

There is no defending Ann Coulter. She is an Agent Provacateur of the first order, and will say horrifying things just to get attention. You really have to be reaching to defend her.

And I disagree mightily with ignoring her. A troll on the internet only gets the attention of the site s/he is trolling. Someone like Coulter seeks her gratification on forums that demand response.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: John Hardly
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 05:56 PM

There's a difference between defending Coulter and pointing out that the outrage over this PARTICULAR incident is misplaced. When one goes off half-cocked for the wrong reason, one would hope that FRIENDS would point out the error in their reasoning.

Kinda reminds me of the misplaced ire shown here over the Paul Shanklin spoof -- Barack the Magic Negro. Too many knees jerking in the wrong direction.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: Riginslinger
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 07:07 PM

"Riginslinger is probably a variation on the term rigging slinger."


            Yes, you're right, CarolC. Greetings from Oregon.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: GUEST,harpgirl
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 08:10 PM

I was watching Ghost Riders last night with my son (to see Sam Elliott, of course) and she is the devil's henchwoman. It's very simple. If there is a devil. SUSAN!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 08:37 PM

Ann Coulter is outrageous. She stirs the pot. But I bet that 99% of her critics have not read or heard her comments in context, but are reacting to the published soundbites or snippets. The reason I feel confident in this statement is that I have read, more than once, at the Mudcat, that folks would not read articles from folks they (vehemently) disagree with.
Peace and love to all----John

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 08:48 PM

Ann Coulter is a "scag"... My brother had sex with her once and told me that given a 2nd opportnuity he'd rather have sex with carp that's been dead for 3 days...

Hey, that's what he said...

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 10:29 PM

What's your brother's address, and it can be on its way. ;>)

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: Cluin
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 02:21 AM

New strategy.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 02:32 AM

I just had a brilliant epiphany. Prove to me that I'm wrong: Ann Coulter is a female impersonator.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: John Hardly
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 04:44 AM

That might explain the Bobert's brother thing, but throws her initial comment about Edwards into question -- the pot calling the kettle?

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: JeremyC
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 08:37 AM

If she does somehow make good points and have her remarks taken out of context, the sensible thing to do is not produce so much material that's essentially name-calling and likely to be taken out of context. Why not just make her points (giving her the benefit of the doubt for a second and assuming she has something to offer besides shrill cries for attention) and be done with it?

I mean, calling someone a faggot, accusing him of taking cynical advantage of his dead son for publicity, and wishing he'd be killed by terrorists? That kind of stuff is only acceptable in an internet debate.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: John Hardly
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 09:06 AM

"I mean, calling someone a faggot, accusing him of taking cynical advantage of his dead son for publicity, and wishing he'd be killed by terrorists? That kind of stuff is only acceptable in an internet debate."

And all I'm saying is that though the first two (the faggot and dead son statements/issues) are deplorable -- categorizing the third (wishing he'd be killed) with the other two shows the ignorance of her critics, not her vile mouth.

She was clearly NOT wishing Edwards dead -- she was CLEARLY making the point about her opponent's double standard for decency.

Calling her on it makes HER point, not yours.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: kendall
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 09:20 AM

What she said about Edwards is in no way related to what Bill Mahar said about Cheney. She is a mean spirited, nasty, vicious right wing witch.Maybe someone will drop a house on her.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: John Hardly
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 09:28 AM

She mentioned the Bill Maher comment the very sentence before she made the "terrorist" statement herself. She very obviously connected the two. Just because you didn't hear her statement doesn't make it not so.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: Big Mick
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 10:07 AM

categorizing the third (wishing he'd be killed) with the other two shows the ignorance of her critics, not her vile mouth.

I disagree, John. I think it indicates that she has made so many vile comments on so many subjects, that folks just make an assumption. You can't isolate this one example in support of her. This is like the abstract of the boy that cried wolf. She has made so many reprehensible comments that it is impossible to defend her on this.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: Riginslinger
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 10:22 AM

"My brother had sex with her once ..."


                      Is he still alive?

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 11:09 AM

John Hardly, you are peeing in the wind and getting it blown back in your face in trying to make sense on this thread. Discourse here has reached the low point of analysis dependent clause by dependent clause.
In a negative way it is like reading a movie blurb. The critic writes, "This movie is a colossal bore." The ad quotes, "This movie is...colossal..." Context DOES matter in an honest argument.
Whoops, anybody out here got a towel?

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: John Hardly
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 11:28 AM

"You can't isolate this one example in support of her. "

I'm not doing it "in support of her". I am doing it in support of you. If I let you make an ass of yourself by this misunderstanding, I am doing you no favors. The fact that you don't want my help is, well, pretty par for the course -- we often dislike it when we have our illogic pointed out.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: GUEST,undertheradar
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 12:29 PM

Coulter and Maher are terrific examples of today's opinion-makers. They get all this attention becuase their statements are more fun to argue about than the real issues.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter back in the news
From: heric
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 12:32 PM

and there ain't nothin like a friend who can tell you you're just pissing in the wind