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Subject: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Little Hawk Date: 11 Jul 07 - 01:43 PM Yes, I know, there are the obvious reasons, such as carrot theft. But I think there's more to it than that. I think there are subtle psychological underpinnings and indications of some hidden agendas in this story. Anybody got any theories as to what might be going on under the surface? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: MMario Date: 11 Jul 07 - 01:46 PM He doesn't *hate* Bugs. From Elmer's World-view Bugs is one of either two things. A) a minor pest which needs to be eradicated to imporove the world. or B) his God-Given prey. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: beardedbruce Date: 11 Jul 07 - 01:49 PM c) a wascally wabbit |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 11 Jul 07 - 01:52 PM Exercising his Constitutional Rights as a member of the NRA... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: kendall Date: 11 Jul 07 - 01:52 PM All nitwits hate smart people. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: MMario Date: 11 Jul 07 - 01:53 PM Isn't C merely another way of describingh either A) or B)? I personally consider rabbits to be vile, vicious, lily eating rodents - and find they are best in a stewpot; just as deer are nothing but sneaky cervine flower predators. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: beardedbruce Date: 11 Jul 07 - 01:59 PM Yes, but "dining deer" would not resound like "wascally wabbit" does. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Ebbie Date: 11 Jul 07 - 02:07 PM I don't know- ask Mudcatter Elmer Fudd. He seems intent on eradicating Bugs but seems never to be there at the crucial moment. I'm sure he has an explanation. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: gnu Date: 11 Jul 07 - 02:13 PM Same reason Wile E. Coyote does. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: gnu Date: 11 Jul 07 - 02:18 PM So, LH. Are you asking, "Whaaaaat would you want with a waaaabbit?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: John MacKenzie Date: 11 Jul 07 - 02:19 PM It would be the acme of his career. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: gnu Date: 11 Jul 07 - 02:36 PM Hmmm. Elmer, Wile, Daffy, the Martin Brothers, the Scot Golfer, the Klondike Saloon owner, and others.... maybe we just don't know about that Wabbit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: katlaughing Date: 11 Jul 07 - 02:45 PM Well, since Elmer Fudd is a cross-dresser
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Little Hawk Date: 11 Jul 07 - 02:49 PM "maybe we just don't know about that Wabbit." My point exactly, gnu! Is bugs merely an annoying smartass who runs off at the mouth, trespasses, brazenly steals carrots, and thinks far too much of himself? Or is he a clandestine agent for dark forces intent on enslaving our society and banning all private ownership of firearms? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: dwditty Date: 11 Jul 07 - 03:13 PM Because Bugs went and started one too many stupid threads! JK, of course dw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: beardedbruce Date: 11 Jul 07 - 03:14 PM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elmer_Fudd |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: MMario Date: 11 Jul 07 - 03:40 PM jeez - wikipedia! y'know they claim Elmer is fictional? Shows how much they know! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: RangerSteve Date: 11 Jul 07 - 03:50 PM I understand the Elmer-Bugs feud. I don't understand the Bugs-Daffy feud. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Little Hawk Date: 11 Jul 07 - 03:56 PM "Eh...what's up, dwditty?" (I ask innocently whilst munching enthusiastically on a stolen carrot.) I think the Bugs-Daffy feud is explainable on this basis: Daffy is like Jerry Lewis. He's intolerable. It's impossible not to hate him. Anyone who knows Daffy at all feuds with him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: MMario Date: 11 Jul 07 - 04:07 PM but the Daffy/Bugs thing is pretty much one-sided. It's Daffy who cannot bear the thought of Bugs getting/taking any attention away from Daffy. Daffy is a big meglomaniacal. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Little Hawk Date: 11 Jul 07 - 04:21 PM True. Daffy is out of control. Bugs, on the other hand, knows exactly what he is doing at all times. He's a vewy clever wabbit! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: gnu Date: 11 Jul 07 - 04:42 PM Other than those that wanna eat bugs for food, the original premise for the "story", Bugs never did nuthin but be a nice guy. So, most everyone likes Bugs. Except those that are jealous of Bugs, the premise for the other stories. Only thing is, Bugs always seems to come out on top... not quite the same in real life, where, many times, nice guys finish last. Of course, it's just a cartoon, right? "Why, sure, stranger. You can use my tellyophone." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Rapparee Date: 11 Jul 07 - 05:08 PM Elmer Fudd is in love with Bugs, and the attraction is mutual. Bugs is constantly playing tricks on Elmer, teasing him and flirting with him (witness, for example, the huge kisses Bugs bestows on Elmer). Elmer "hunts" Bugs with an oh-so-phallic shotgun (and note that it is a shotgun, which has a "wad" in the shell and not a rifle). Bugs' achieves oral gratification by "eating" a carrot, one of the more phallic vegetables. The speech characteristics of the pair also betray their mutual sexual atrraction. Bugs' ubiquitous "What's up, Doc?" [emphasis supplied] should be enough to alert the densest viewer; Elmer's voice affectations are reminiscent of the baby talk used with very young children. "Wascawwy" Wabbit" is not far divorced from "Mummy's wittle wovey-dove." There is no hate here. This is a complex flirtation attempt at male-male sexual pairing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: gnu Date: 11 Jul 07 - 05:08 PM Of course, if it was realistic, it would certainly not sell cereal, would it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: gnu Date: 11 Jul 07 - 05:10 PM Rap.... good thing Gerry took the big dirt nap, or he'd be on this like WHITE on RICE. Hehehehehehe! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: katlaughing Date: 11 Jul 07 - 07:03 PM Well, Rapaire, I didn't want to spell it out in so much detail, but I completely agree with you! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Little Hawk Date: 11 Jul 07 - 07:06 PM Rapaire, that was a brilliant analysis!!! Stunning! Even Herr Doktor Liebenscheiss himself would be impressed. I'm glad to see that you are taking this matter as seriously as it deserves to be taken. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 11 Jul 07 - 07:11 PM Daffy is a Narcissist. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Cluin Date: 11 Jul 07 - 07:28 PM It's the speech impediment thing. Fudd hates anything that starts with a "r". He's none too crazy about Rocky Raccoon, either. When I saw the title of this thread, I knew who started it before I opened it, of course. The biggest question in the Warner Bros. toon melieu is of course, what the hell is wrong with Wile E. Coyote? By the time he finishes squashing, burning, and blowing the Road Runner all over hell's-half-acre, there'll be f__k-all left to eat. He should take some of that budget he blows at the Acme mail-order website and order some KFC or something. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Cluin Date: 11 Jul 07 - 07:53 PM By the way, if you've ever seen the first cartoon where Elmer encounters Bugs, you'd understand the hatred. Elmer was quite favourably disposed towards the rabbit in the beginning since he was just getting into a new hobby: wildlife photography. The sadistic things Bugs did to Elmer, for no good reason other than to get some twisted kicks, obviously drove Fudd insane, inspiring a lifelong obsession to wub the wabbit out. More power to him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Elmer Fudd Date: 11 Jul 07 - 08:12 PM You're hurting my feelings. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Rapparee Date: 11 Jul 07 - 09:16 PM Want me to do a Marxist interpretation of the Bugs/Elmer relationship? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 11 Jul 07 - 09:49 PM Can we stop you? :-P |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Rapparee Date: 11 Jul 07 - 09:51 PM Not really. Remember, I'm armed, right and left, and I know how to use them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: John on the Sunset Coast Date: 12 Jul 07 - 12:10 AM Elmer doesn't hate Bugs. Everytime he thinks he has mortally injured the wabbit he regrets his actions...even sobs...even pleads for him to come back from the dead--a Jesus figure? But Bugs bugs him by playing possum (or am I thinking of Pogo?) and resuscitates to continue his pranks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Little Hawk Date: 12 Jul 07 - 12:45 AM That's true, John, but I would still say that Elmer has moments when he hates Bugs. In other words, he has conflicted feelings about the "wabbit". One gets the impression, somehow, that Elmer needs Bugs. Bugs, on the other hand, is quite autonomous, and would do fine in this world with or without Elmer. Perhaps this is why Elmer hates him at times... Elmer has fantasies about being a great hunter, a ruthless exterminator of wild game, but experience has shown that he shrinks from actual bloodshed when confronted with the grisly results. It's a strange case. Does Elmer have problems with his sense of his own masculinity? Is he attempting to prove himself a man among men by going out and shooting furry animals? Elmer has also experienced premature hair (but not hare) loss. This could be another source of his deep feelings of insecurity. Bugs frequently plays on Elmer's vulnerability in this respect by referring to him as "Baldy". Furthermore, Elmer is very short, and short men often become overly aggressive in an attempt to seem taller, as it were. The Napoleon complex. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: gnu Date: 12 Jul 07 - 10:34 AM What about Yosemite Sam? The Tasmanian Devil? Like I asked above, can thay all be wrong? He's a rat with a cotton tail... why, he's dis... dis...dispicable! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Little Hawk Date: 12 Jul 07 - 11:01 AM Yosemite Sam...now there's the worst Napoleon complex of all time! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: GUEST,IB48 Date: 12 Jul 07 - 11:04 AM COS HES A BAD MEAN MOTHER;'.,;;ING RABBIT HATING GUN BLASTING CHAMONE HEEH HEEH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 12 Jul 07 - 11:37 AM Nah, Elmer don't hate bugs. It's a living. Like Republicans need Democrats. Ying and Yang. That stuff. I hear from a reliable source that after their cartoons, they've been seen going out together for a beer. Jerry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Mrrzy Date: 12 Jul 07 - 11:57 AM He doesn't. He loves him. Especially in stews. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: gnu Date: 12 Jul 07 - 12:38 PM In stews? Nope. He is a fricassee'n rabbit, and Elmer don't got no fricassee'n rabbit license. You gotta brush up on the huntin laws. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Rapparee Date: 12 Jul 07 - 01:33 PM Elmer has the hots for Bugs and the feeling is reciprocated. I told you all that earlier. Just look at Bugs' familar pose, leaning against a tree with a carrot in his mouth -- so much like the stereotypical "lady under the lamp post with a cigarette dangling" that anyone should see it. And Elmer's "Be vewy, vewy quiet...." is obviously related to his ambivalent feeling about his attraction to Bugs ("Don't ask, don't tell"). Bugs Bunny is a gay teaser, and Elmer Fudd is the quintessential middle-aged man who is unsure of his sexual orientation and is cruising the rough trade. And they show this stuff to kids!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: annamill Date: 12 Jul 07 - 02:01 PM Oh comeon people...it's obvious.. it's in the script!! Cheez! Love, Annamill |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Donuel Date: 12 Jul 07 - 02:01 PM RABBITS DON'T EAT fUDDS, fUDDS EAT RABBITS. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: dwditty Date: 12 Jul 07 - 02:07 PM Little Hawk, Thanks so much for knowing my post was made with my tongue firmly planted in my cheek. I loved the scene in Wayne's World when Wayne and Garth were discussing if Bugs was a babe when dressed in drag. dw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: MMario Date: 12 Jul 07 - 02:13 PM annamill - you're right. It's so obvious! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Little Hawk Date: 12 Jul 07 - 07:21 PM No, no, it's not obvious at all! I tell you, there is far more to this whole Elmer/Bugs imbroglio than most people are aware of or even want to know...and we are going to get to the bottom of it, come hell or high water. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: John on the Sunset Coast Date: 12 Jul 07 - 07:52 PM A little thread kreep here. WB cartoons were always a whole lot subversive and cutting edge than Disney. Hell, if D. Duck hadn't a speech impediment to the point of not being understood, he would have been a kindler, gentler duck, and Disney toons would have all been boring--I exclude full length bowdlerized features. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Rapparee Date: 12 Jul 07 - 09:26 PM Disney films? Not cutting edge? Hah! Take that one about the chick living with seven guys who OD's and is "ressurected" by a handsome prince. Or that one about the girl with the hots for a beast, a real animal. Or...but you get the idea. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 12 Jul 07 - 11:31 PM Actually, Mr. Fudd's speech impediment is a result of too many hours spent listening to BBC Radio news correspondents. I think having a lisp is a hiring requirement at BBC. Can you say "Pwecipitous Amewican twoop withdwawal"? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: gnu Date: 13 Jul 07 - 05:37 AM Cutting edge? Not many know what wound up on the cutting room floor back in the days of heavy censorship. Bugs Bunny may have been a wascawie wabbit, but his cousin Bugger Bunny was a holey tearer. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: John MacKenzie Date: 13 Jul 07 - 06:00 AM "Pwecipitous Amewican twoop withdwawal" plus the thweat of a nukular war. Wascally Wabbit for pwesident I say, surely he is the better candidate on account of his thuperior mangling of the lanwidge! And Elmer Fudd for Homeland Theekwuritty. I'm thinking, Land of the Fwee here folks. Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Raedwulf Date: 13 Jul 07 - 01:44 PM "Daffy is a big meglomaniac" - and there, sirrah, you have the explanation. Daffy hates anyone else getting the attention he feels he deserves. As for Bugs & Elmer, shoot 'em both & let one of the gods sort 'em out... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Greg B Date: 13 Jul 07 - 03:14 PM "I personally consider rabbits to be vile, vicious, lily eating rodents..." See, that's what ignorance breeds. Bigotry. Rabbits are NOT rodents! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: MMario Date: 13 Jul 07 - 03:18 PM *I* know that...but their actions make them seem like rodents. they should act like the respectable lagomorphs they are especially since genetic studies have since shown that, while still distinct from rodents, they are indeed very closely related after all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Nigel Parsons Date: 13 Jul 07 - 03:41 PM But Elmer cries at the end of "What's Opera Doc" "Oh no, I killed de wabbit!" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: gnu Date: 13 Jul 07 - 03:50 PM They were rodentia until 1912. Then lagomorpha. But, they are still "cute" rats that carry disease. Maybe Elmer might have been concerned about Bugs spreading Tulerimia... ??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Rapparee Date: 13 Jul 07 - 04:32 PM Cut 'im open, check his liver for spots. But for Elmer's sake I hope tulerimia isn't an STD. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: John MacKenzie Date: 14 Jul 07 - 07:17 AM It's not over till the fat rabbit sings. G |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: JohnInKansas Date: 15 Jul 07 - 05:49 AM Uncle John's Bathroom Reader - in one of the 20 or so editions, has a very detailed "psychological profile" - too long to post even if I could find it again - of each of the Three Stooges, demonstrating quite persuasively, if not convincingly, that they are mutually reinvorcing co-dependent "losers," none of whom could possibly survive without both of the other two. Because of their co-dependence, although they can get angry, it's almost impossible for them to "hate" each other - because they need each other. Bugs and Elmer are just the Three Stooges simplified and "mixed differently" for easier digestion by youngsters - and less sophisticated adults. Co-dependent losers, who together can both find "purpose" in their otherwise meaningless/degenerate existence. John |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Donuel Date: 15 Jul 07 - 11:31 AM Tongue in cheek is fine and dandy but the time I stood too close to a 9 iron swing which resulted in my being able to put my tongue THROUGH my cheek in the ER waiting room...well that was not so nice. The ER doctor was Indo Asian and did such a fine job that no plastic surgury was needed since the scar went with the muscle grain and the stitches were perfectly done. That night Mom read me the Lost World to take my mind off the swelling. That was the Jurassic Park of my day and was perfect for a 12 year old. Although all my teeth were knocked loose I didn;t loose a single once since I was wearing braces at the time. Turned out the ordeal speeded up the orthodontic process immensely. Still I highly reccomend that tongues should stay IN cheek and not through. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Little Hawk Date: 15 Jul 07 - 02:06 PM John, I don't think the "mutually co-dependent" loser thing fits Bugs. It fits Elmer, all right. He definitely needs Bugs, as is evidenced by his tearful reactions upon being confronted with the possibility that he has killed the "wabbit". But does Bugs need Elmer? I think not. He unquestionably enjoys having Elmer around, and enjoys baiting him, etc, but I don't think he needs Elmer. On the contrary, Bugs always gives the impression of self-sufficient confidence and absolute emotional ease as he cruises merrily through life finding fun and pleasure where he may. If Elmer's not around, Bugs easily finds other ways to amuse himself. I don't think he's co-dependent on Elmer at all. I do think Elmer is very co-dependent on Bugs, and this is clear from Elmer's emotional reactions. Bugs is a character who would flourish in any situation, regardless of who else was around. Elmer is a character who is almost constantly under stress. What you say about the Three Stooges, however, I think that is totally accurate. Three losers, totally dependent on each other for mutual reinforcement. That can make for a pretty funny show. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Little Hawk Date: 15 Jul 07 - 02:22 PM It just occurred to me. Elmer needs Bugs like Richard Nixon needed commies and like George Bush needs Islamic Jihadists! ;-) That's why he's always on the lookout for "the wabbit". That's why he plants a world-class carrot patch to attract the wabbit. That's why he goes out hunting for the wabbit. It serves as a focus for his innate paranoia and sense of persecution. Without the wabbit, his life would almost cease to have any meaning or objectives. He would be faced with the fact that he is a short, bald, incompetent loser. That would be intolerable, so Elmer obsesses about the wabbit, and seeks to defeat him, finally and decisively. The fact that he will never succeed means that he can keep himself distracted enough to be unaware of the yawning emptiness at the heart of his own existence. The wabbit, however, needs only this: a nice comfortable hole in the ground, a sunny day, and a large and fruitful world to frolic in whilst in search of something edible. This indicates to me that Bugs is far healthier psychologically than the commies or the Islamic Jihadists ever were or shall be. ;-) He is not on "a mission" to convert the world or to convert anyone. As such, he is really of no danger to anyone. He simply wants a carrot, and carrots are easily had. Elmer is on a mission. That makes him somewhat dangerous, but fortunately he has really lousy aim with that shotgun. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: GUEST,Uncle_DaveO Date: 15 Jul 07 - 04:02 PM Elmer Fudd's personality is the result of divine or supernatural forces. That is, by the supernal will of the scriptwriter. Dave Oesterreich |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: JohnInKansas Date: 15 Jul 07 - 04:58 PM There were a few cartoons in which Bugs appeared without Elmer. They were "less successful" than the Bugs and Elmer ones, and without a "substitute Elmer" (i.e. Daffy Duck, etc.) they mostly were total flops. There is something "missing" in the Bugs persona without a victim (i.e. a straight man) so the co-dependency is there, even if it's too subtle for some to see at first look. John |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Rapparee Date: 15 Jul 07 - 06:23 PM Yes, they were flops because of the quasi-sexual tension existing between Bugs and Elmer. But I have come to view this in a totally different way. Now mind you this is just some random thoughts, but Bugs Bunny certainly represents the Laboring Classes and Elmer the Plutocratic Capitalists. No matter how often the PCs (as we shall call them) attempt to defeat the Workers, they cannot do it because the Workers are more flexible and far brighter than the PCs, who are driven solely by the profit motive (represented here by "wabbit stew"). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Little Hawk Date: 15 Jul 07 - 10:23 PM I agree, John, that for the commercial purposes of the cartoon in a marketing sense...Bugs needs Elmer. In other words, Warner Brothers needed Elmer there opposite Bugs in order to pull in the viewers. But I'm not talking about marketing. I'm talking about the actual personalities of the principle characters, as if they were real, and there was no marketing process going on at all. In other words, I'm getting inside the story, and looking at Bugs and Elmer as living beings. On that basis, Bugs seems quite autonomous to me. He wouldn't get upset without Elmer around to tangle with. Yes, he likes having a straight man to play off, but it wouldn't have to be Elmer. It could be Yosemite Sam, a drill sergeant, Foghorn Leghorn, Yosemite Sam, anyone... There were also a number of Elmer Fudd stories where the hapless Elmer served as straight man to Daffy Duck, by the way, and Daffy drove him totally around the bend. Elmer makes a great victim. I also recall some comic book stories where Elmer took on opponents of other types. One involved a cantankerous parrot that was mimicking everything Elmer said (including the lisp), and it was very funny. I don't know if that story was ever shown in cartoon form. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 16 Jul 07 - 01:20 AM Elmer Fudd did a one off brilliant one where his opponent was the candle he was try to blow out so he could go to sleep... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: GUEST,The black belt caterpillar wrestler Date: 16 Jul 07 - 07:55 AM Surely we are missing the point here. Elmer is from the United States with its well known "right to bear arms" mentality. This apparent hatred is just the result of placing a gun in the hands of someone who is not completely mentaly stable, or raised with a distorted world view. (I didn't mention grouse shooting once there did I?) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Little Hawk Date: 16 Jul 07 - 09:03 AM Interesting point. So what happened with the grouse shooting? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: gnu Date: 16 Jul 07 - 02:51 PM That was just a Cheney reaction. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Little Hawk Date: 16 Jul 07 - 03:14 PM Oh yeah... ;-) I'd forgotten about that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: gnu Date: 16 Jul 07 - 03:19 PM He does kinda look like Elmer, eh? Except for the suit and jack boots. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Rapparee Date: 16 Jul 07 - 03:23 PM I was out in the woods last Fall and heard nothing but complain, complain, complain from the birds. Nothing but grousing, I tell ya. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Little Hawk Date: 16 Jul 07 - 03:26 PM Yeah, man, but that was because you were there. Them birds ain't stupid, see? (grin) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Dave the Gnome Date: 17 Jul 07 - 08:15 AM That wascally wabbit isn't that clever. He SHOULD have turned left at Milwaukee... :D |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Rapparee Date: 17 Jul 07 - 09:04 AM And ended up in Lake Michigan? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Dave the Gnome Date: 17 Jul 07 - 11:18 AM Maybe he should have turned left at Albuquerque then? How are us UKers supposed to know US geography when we only have a wabbits word to go on:-) :D |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Dave the Gnome Date: 17 Jul 07 - 11:19 AM Or 'Albucoykee' as he says:-) I suppose it would depend if he was heading North or South anyway? :D |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: JeremyC Date: 17 Jul 07 - 03:42 PM He doesn't hate Bugs Bunny as such, but he hates his freedom. If he were only liberated, he would come to embrace Bugs' democracy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Amos Date: 17 Jul 07 - 03:54 PM Little Hawk: Sigh. Just when I had some hope for you, here you go, firing up a heated debate about the intricate subtle desires and inhibitions of imaginary beings. Didn't you get enough of this crap in your many Medieval lifetimes? You who ignore your own history will be condemned to repeat it. Which means, next lifetime, you will be decapitated for quibbling with a true believer about the Triune nature of God, as distinguished from the Uniune. Or LoonyUne. Whichever. Not like you haven't already been there and done that. Aren't you just a little ashamed of yourself? You keep this kind of crap up and you'll have to retread your current grade in Higher Being School. Don't say I didn't warn you , now. Mark my words. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Little Hawk Date: 17 Jul 07 - 07:51 PM Heh! Amos, you are a true wit. JeremyC, I think you have it in a nutshell. Or in a carrot top. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 17 Jul 07 - 11:34 PM And you, LH are half right... :-P |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Little Hawk Date: 17 Jul 07 - 11:57 PM So you still think Bugs needs Elmer, eh? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Ebbie Date: 18 Jul 07 - 12:28 AM I keep expecting Mudcatter Elmer Fudd to show up. He could tell us everything we want to know. Maybe I'll give him a shout. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: gnu Date: 18 Jul 07 - 06:42 AM Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Elmer Fudd - PM Date: 11 Jul 07 - 08:12 PM You're hurting my feelings. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Ebbie Date: 18 Jul 07 - 12:08 PM But no dissertation, huh? Looks to me like waffling, Elmer. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Little Hawk Date: 18 Jul 07 - 12:14 PM Perhaps Elmer's feelings are what are leading him astray? How long, Elmer, have you had this uncontrollable desire to pick up a gun, go out into the woods, and kill innocent little furry animals? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Ebbie Date: 18 Jul 07 - 01:35 PM Well, judging by my knowledge of Elmer, he really does NOT want to kill Bugs. (He only wants to SAY he has!) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Little Hawk Date: 18 Jul 07 - 02:08 PM It may be mostly the thrill of the chase that has him so enthralled. I love the scenes where he tiptoes over to the rabbit hole, fires a shotgun blast down it, and then rushes off to hide behind a nearby tree, smothering his laughter. "OUCH!!!" comes from the hole as Elmer rushes off. Bugs' head then emerges, looking very put out, with bits of smoke and debris coming off his disarranged fur, and looks around to see where "baldy" is hiding... Great slapstick comedy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: GUEST, Ebbie Date: 18 Jul 07 - 05:24 PM Bugs and Elmer are kind of like my dog and cat. On occasion the cat will flee and the dog will pound along behind; ferocity personified. Then the cat gets tired of it and stops. And my dog stops too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Rapparee Date: 18 Jul 07 - 09:36 PM It's simply Elmer's way of attempting to deal with his Oedipal problems. Bugs, you see, is a rabbit and the reproductive proclivities of rabbits are famous. Elmer at some time in the past was rejected by a woman who reminded him of both his mother and a rabbit -- perhaps one of the "bunnies" at a Playboy Club. Unable to reconcile his desire and his rejection he has refocused his matricentric universe to "destroy" the source of the conflict between his id and his libido. The target of this agression is Bugs, probably the first rabbit he saw after his rejection. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does Elmer Fudd hate Bugs Bunny? From: Little Hawk Date: 18 Jul 07 - 09:47 PM Fan-tastic!!! Rapaire, you have a mind like a steel spud peeler. Your brilliant contributions have done much to justify the bold premise of this thread and should also help put Amos firmly in his place, and we all know where that is, don't we? |
