Chieftains on BBC4

Subject: Chieftains on BBC4
From: eddie1
Date: 14 Mar 08 - 01:34 PM

Chieftains on BBC4 at 9.00 this evening followed by "Folk Hibernia" with Christy Moore et al.

Both progs repeated in middle of the night.

Eddie

Subject: RE: Chieftains on BBC4
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Mar 08 - 01:52 PM

cheers mate - didn't see that!

Subject: RE: Chieftains on BBC4
From: Willa
Date: 14 Mar 08 - 03:54 PM

Listening to Transatlantic Sessions now. History of the Harmonica next (8pm), then The Chieftains.

Subject: RE: Chieftains on BBC4
From: 8_Pints
Date: 14 Mar 08 - 06:57 PM

PVR recording as I type this entry!

Great to see the breadth of their accomplishments even if they omit some collaborations (Kepa Junkera, Alain Stivell, et al).

BBC4 must be gearing up to 17th March for some reason ;-)

Bob

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From: BanjoRay
Date: 14 Mar 08 - 08:47 PM

What a superb evening's telly on BBC4
Totally glued all night...
Ray

Subject: RE: Chieftains on BBC4
From: MartinRyan
Date: 14 Mar 08 - 09:33 PM

Watched the "Folk Hibernia" program and headed out for a pint - to find Johnny Moynihan sitting in on the local, Freiday night session. Me? I'm spoilt!!

Regards

Subject: RE: Chieftains on BBC4
From: Effsee
Date: 14 Mar 08 - 10:31 PM

So sad to hear that Derek Bell had such a lonely death and lay undiscovered for 24 hours. RIP a fine musician.

Subject: RE: Chieftains on BBC4
From: Alan Day
Date: 15 Mar 08 - 04:55 AM

I too watched BBC4 all night.
I was not aware of the death of Derek Bell .A sad loss. Apart from this, a fine evenings entertainment.If BBC4 carries on like this I will be well pleased.
Al

Subject: RE: Chieftains on BBC4
From: GUEST,Jim Martin
Date: 15 Mar 08 - 08:37 AM

They can do it if they put their mind/s to it, but are they listening to what they keep calling a 'minority'?

Subject: RE: Chieftains on BBC4
From: BB
Date: 15 Mar 08 - 08:43 AM

Agreed, a thoroughly enjoyable evening. Shame the Folk Britannia series wasn't in the same class.

Barbara

Subject: RE: Chieftains on BBC4
From: Travelling Audience
Date: 15 Mar 08 - 09:11 AM

Wasn't able to go to our local F.C. so was so glad we turned on to BBC4 to see both.

Geoff & Mo

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From: goatfell
Date: 15 Mar 08 - 10:11 AM

a great folk programme

Subject: RE: Chieftains on BBC4
From: RobbieWilson
Date: 16 Mar 08 - 05:30 AM

I thorughly enjoyed both the chieftains and the Folk Hibernia programmes although the format of both, with constant, very short soundbites is very frustrating.

The most frustrating and the most intriguing moment was a few seconds of Patrick Kavanagh himself singing On Raglan Road. Does anyone know anything about this?

Subject: RE: Chieftains on BBC4
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 16 Mar 08 - 12:42 PM

I think the folk britannia was okay - its just that we're less homogenous than the Irish.

Theres more bits and pieces to us. we never had a character like Devalera at the helm who valued folk culture. So there was no infrastructure like they have.

I suppose Thatcher was backward looking - but in a different way. She never valued our culture or society - we were lucky none of Dennis's mates never flogged her double glazing for Westminster Abbey to replace all that old stuff.

Subject: RE: Chieftains on BBC4
From: RobbieWilson
Date: 16 Mar 08 - 10:06 PM

Folk Britania was ok in that it was good to see a tiny bit of lots of people you would like to see more of. Part of our superficial soundbite culture but i found it profoundly dissatisfying because almost every moment of it left me wanting more but you got the feeling that the producers were saying this is all there was and all you need to know

Subject: RE: Chieftains on BBC4
From: OldFolkie
Date: 17 Mar 08 - 10:17 AM

Having been away for the weekend and set the DVD to record the Chieftains and Folk Hibernia, unfortunately when we got back, for some totally obscure reason, there was no sound on the recording.

Drat!

Soulds like we missed a couple of good programmes.

Anybody know if they're going to be repeated any time soon?

OF

Subject: RE: Chieftains on BBC4
From: MartinRyan
Date: 17 Mar 08 - 10:38 AM

BBC2 Tonight at 9 p.m. May not be all regions, of course.

Regards

Subject: RE: Chieftains on BBC4
From: Effsee
Date: 17 Mar 08 - 10:53 AM

Oldfolkie, you can download the programme from the BBC website.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/page/item/b0094zrm.shtml?filter=txdate%3A14-03&filter=txslot%3Aevening&start=1&scope=iplayerlast7days&version_pid=b0094zqk#   
Try cutting & pasting that link into Google.

Subject: RE: Chieftains on BBC4
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice
Date: 17 Mar 08 - 11:04 AM

Folk Britan(n)ia was ok in that it was good to see a tiny bit of lots of people you would like to see more of. Part of our superficial soundbite culture but i found it profoundly dissatisfying because almost every moment of it left me wanting more but you got the feeling that the producers were saying this is all there was and all you need to know .

I think it was a programme for people who already knew, though that would be a pointless exercise, but, after all, it is television isn't it?

Charlotte (the view from Ma and Pa's piano stool)

Subject: RE: Chieftains on BBC4
From: GUEST,beachcomber
Date: 17 Mar 08 - 11:12 AM

Yes quite a good programme if getting a glimpse of as many well-known Irish Artistes as possible was the sole reason for production. However, left a lot to the old memory cells, not all of which can be easily "jogged" into giving up crystal clear data.
Incidentally, I do not believe , for one minute, that DeValera deserves anything like so much credit for the preservation of Irish Culture given by BBC Producers. Who else declares that he does ?
Just because of one oft-misquoted speech made by him back some 70 yrs ago he is now to be the "Keeper" of all cultural matters?

Subject: RE: Chieftains on BBC4
From: An Buachaill Caol Dubh
Date: 17 Mar 08 - 11:39 AM

Saw both programmes (again), and agree with much of what's been written above, especially the relentless "soundbite" approach. Related to E de Valera, as represented by the BBC at least, was there not also a curious feature of the programme in that, more than half-way through, mention was made of Fleadhanna and traditional musicians in parts of Ireland OTHER than Dublin? That is, is this a case of the notorious BBC "metropolitan bias" even conditioning the way the traditional culture of another country is seen? Just a thought.

Subject: RE: Chieftains on BBC4
From: MartinRyan
Date: 17 Mar 08 - 12:01 PM

It was probably fair enough to use DeValera as the embodiment of that part of Irish society which saw the preservation of (a rather romanticised and partial) "true Irish culture" as a political necessity.

Regards

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From: GUEST,Maurice
Date: 17 Mar 08 - 05:14 PM

For anyone who missed it it's on BBC2 NI right now (9.15pm Irish time)

Subject: RE: Chieftains on BBC4
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 17 Mar 08 - 08:13 PM

I missed it all, but have also downloaded the BBCiPlayer, and thereafter both programmes: then you have up to 30 days to view them before they self-destruct! (Instead of only 7 days if you just "watch again")

Subject: RE: Chieftains on BBC4
From: lizlegs
Date: 18 Mar 08 - 06:34 PM

just read my post above and realise I missed the end off: which was to saythat the mostrustrating part in folk Hibenia was to see and hear a couple of lines of Paddy Kavanagh himself singing On Raglan Road.

Does anyone know where to find this and see the whole thing?

Subject: RE: Chieftains on BBC4
From: MartinRyan
Date: 18 Mar 08 - 07:51 PM

It included a clip from a (n infamous) recording of the "first" Bloomsday, involving Kavanagh, Myles and Cronin - but I'm not sure if the song came from the same film.

Regards

Subject: RE: Chieftains on BBC4
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 18 Mar 08 - 07:53 PM

Not found it, but try this:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=19qdV2vgM-o

Subject: RE: Chieftains on BBC4
From: bradfordian
Date: 18 Mar 08 - 08:54 PM

Enjoyed playing catch-up tv via bbc's IPLAYER. TV to watch when I'M READY for it, cos I just don't watch TV, too busy living!
Watched Legends(Chieftans), Folk Hibernia, Transatlantic Sessions, St Pats Day Special (Blas Ceoil) at various times when I felt in the mood/ needed some relaxation, or had a small slot in my schedule. On Good Friday there is a BBC4 program on Sacred Music History and a program about "White Gospel" So I can watch this anytime up to 7 days after broadcast, but if I can download it, I can view for up to 30 days.
Channel4 & ITV have something similar (but not a great deal of musical material of interest to us).
Whereas I would have not seen the programs, I now have the opportunity to do so via internet, & thus be better informed and able to take part in discussion on them in, for example, our forum.

Am I correct in presuming that these are available world wide?

And also, are there similar services available form other national broadcasters?(I bet there could be some great Irish music programs!)

NOTES

Brad

Subject: RE: Chieftains on BBC4
From: GUEST,Puck
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 05:44 AM

Sadly both were repeats. Same ol' story from the beeb

Subject: RE: Chieftains on BBC4
From: GUEST,beachcomber
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 12:26 PM

No, sorry Martin , I cannot accept this idea. Dev was a Politician, first foremost and all the time. Sure he travelled around Ireland , particularly in his earlier political years, supporting organisations like Gaelic League, Connradh, G.A.A and Muintir na Tire but, that is what it was, politickin'. The Beeb seemed to downgrade the efforts of the various organisations to promote and (perhaps with too much aspic ?) preserve Irish Culture.

Subject: RE: Chieftains on BBC4
From: MartinRyan
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 02:39 PM

In a way, I think my point is that De Valera's nationalist conservatism, allied with a Catholic church bent on close control of its flock, provided the environment in which organisations such as Comhaltas could operate. As you say, "preserving in aspic" became the norm.

Regards
p.s. I have no doubt, incidentally, that Comhaltas' work has been crucial in producing the current healthy state of traditional music in Ireland.

Subject: RE: Chieftains on BBC4
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 02:46 PM

'Am I correct in presuming that these are available world wide?'

nope...copyright restrictions prevents the showing of programmes on the IPlayer overseas

Charlotte (the Canadian non-view from Ma and Pa's piano stool)

Subject: RE: Chieftains on BBC4
From: bradfordian
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 06:11 PM

Thanks for that piece of enlightenment. Just because its on t'internet, we might assume its www.
When commenting on "catchup tv/watch it again", I guess we need to remember the border restrictions due to copyright issues; ie BBC=UK

Subject: RE: Chieftains on BBC4
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 07:26 PM

I also realised too that the 30 days only applies if you don't start watching it after downloading to iplayer: I started to watch the "Legends" programme, but didn't have time to see it all at one sitting: now I only have 5 days left to view it, whereas, "Folk Hibernia", which I haven't yet touched, I still have 28days (both downloaded same day).
Yes, there is some good stuff on RTE: see the posting I made a couple of weeks back about Ronnie Drew. Seems to be available in the UK, but not sure re Canada!