BS: We is intilecktuals

Subject: BS: We is intilecktuals
From: Shanghaiceltic
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 06:05 PM

Sadly no research mentioned on bodhran players...

'Drummers are natural intellectuals'

By Gary Cleland
Last Updated: 1:26am BST 17/04/2008

Drummers are better known for their beats than their brain power, but research has suggested that they might actually be natural intellectuals.

Scientists who asked volunteers to keep time with a drumstick before taking intelligence tests discovered that those with the best sense of rhythm also scored highest in the mental assessments.
        
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Prof Frederic Ullen, from the Karolinska Institutet in Stockholm, concluded that there was a link between intelligence, good timing and the part of the brain used for problem-solving.

He said: "The rhythmic accuracy in brain activity that is observed when a person maintains a steady beat is also important to the problem-solving capacities measured with the intelligence tests."

For the study, Prof Ullen and Guy Madison, from Sweden's Umea University, asked 34 right-handed men aged between 19 and 49 to tap a drumstick at a variety of different intervals.

They were then given a psychometric test of 60 questions and problems.

Prof Ullen said: "We found that people with high general intelligence were also more stable on a very simple timing task.
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"We also found that these participants had larger volumes of the white matter in the brain, which contains connections between brain regions."

Scans of the brain have shown that it uses a wide distribution of areas to listen to music.

The left side tends to process rhythm and pitch and the right looks after timbre and melody.

Subject: RE: BS: We is intilecktuals
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 06:08 PM

those with the best sense of rhythm also scored highest in the mental assessments.

Neither of those attributes apply to most of the drummers I know, Shang.;>)

Subject: RE: BS: We is intilecktuals
From: gnu
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 06:12 PM

Hranners are just a cut above.

Subject: RE: BS: We is intilecktuals
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 06:14 PM

We all know just how successful the rhythm method can be.


G

Subject: RE: BS: We is intilecktuals
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 06:17 PM

I had a lot of things drummed into me when I was a kid!!!

Subject: RE: BS: We is intilecktuals
From: Rapparee
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 06:18 PM

You even spelled "intilektals" wrong. There's no "c" and no "u".

Subject: RE: BS: We is intilecktuals
From: Shanghaiceltic
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 06:39 PM

Spelin haz nevah bean 1 of my strong punts...

Subject: RE: BS: We is intilecktuals
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 06:57 PM

But the test measured only a very simplistic "aptitude for drumming."

Observations in my local market indicate many who try without being particularly suited to the occupation.

(Sort of like some college professors in certain fields that shall remain un-named.)

John

Subject: RE: BS: We is intilecktuals
From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 09:08 PM

There is a very intelligent man in Juneau who is adept at making things out of other things - as they say, give him a piece of metal and he can make anything. He is not socially adept and he sometimes says things that make one gasp but the man is smart.

He is a drummer and he can't hold a beat for nuttin'.

Subject: RE: BS: We is intilecktuals
From: Sorcha
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 09:11 PM

And trust John 'Giok' MacKenzie to manage to get a sexual innuendo in.....

Subject: RE: BS: We is intilecktuals
From: Barry Finn
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 02:55 AM

The same tested 49 were tried & tested in a privous test given to players of brass.

It was found that they were all intellegant enough but not a one could blow their own,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, nose.

I don't think this proves much but testing has some uses.


Barry

Subject: RE: BS: We is intilecktuals
From: JennieG
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 03:05 AM

My son is a drummer and he can hold a beat well.....and he is also smart. People who know more about music than I do say so, so it must be true!

His next gig is on the new Cunard ship Queen Victoria, he flies out on Sunday. We won't see him again until the end of August - I always seem to be saying goodbye to my kids!

Cheers
JennieG...proud drummer's mum

Subject: RE: BS: We is intilecktuals
From: GUEST,PMB
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 03:15 AM

Sexual in you end, O Sorcha? Did you realise that 'bodhran' is an anagram of 'hard nob'?

Subject: RE: BS: We is intilecktuals
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 09:06 AM

It's also an anagram of "hab rodn" and "hand rob" and "band hob" and...and...nevermind. I'm okay now.

Subject: RE: BS: We is intilecktuals
From: Amos
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 10:47 AM

There's no such thing as "hab rodn", unless you are speaking a Creole dialect through a head cold, good Rapaire.


A

Subject: RE: BS: We is intilecktuals
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 10:49 AM

One word rebuttal: Ringo...

Subject: RE: BS: We is intilecktuals
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 11:30 AM

I don't want to sound elitist but isn't it spelled 'innerlectuals'?

Subject: RE: BS: We is intilecktuals
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 01:34 PM

Anyone who chooses an instrument that takes that long to tear down, pack up, transport, and set up has to have their intelligence questioned. I believe these are the same people who in baseball become catchers.

Subject: RE: BS: We is intilecktuals
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 02:00 PM

I guess the reverse corollary would be that those with the worst timing and sense of rhythm are the least intelligent.

I'm not going to say anything about banjo or accordion players, but you are free to draw your own conclusions.

Subject: RE: BS: We is intilecktuals
From: Amos
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 02:12 PM

A lot easier to pack and run with, though...


A

Subject: RE: BS: We is intilecktuals
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 02:24 PM

an instrument that takes that long to tear down, pack up, transport, and set up

They think that if they have "lots of stuff to do" they'll attract their own groupies instead of having to share the band bunch?

John

Subject: RE: BS: We is intilecktuals
From: Amos
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 02:33 PM

"Ole Pat was plain, and sexual.
He weren't no inteleckshual.
He liked to call out things obscene
At people on the movie screen..."


It seems natural to assume that a refined sense of timing enables other intelligent acts of discrimination and analysis to occur.

But I am not sure this has anything per se to do with drumming, which is sometimes a barbaric pastime.


A

Subject: RE: BS: We is intilecktuals
From: Ebbie
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 04:01 PM

I know a few drummers that I would invite into my home complete with drumset. One is a local schooldteacher (with good politics!) who has such an intuitive touch with the sticks and brushes that I've never heard him be inappropriate.

Speaking of packing up and transporting- one time I was passing his home when he was loading the stuff into his vehicle, and made a remark. He responded, In my next life I'm going to take up the harmonica.

Subject: RE: BS: We is intilecktuals
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 04:03 PM

Don't use the "b" word, Amos. "Archaic pastime" is more pc. You may get some nasty comments from Barbarians by implying that they tend to be drummers.

Subject: RE: BS: We is intilecktuals
From: Shanghaiceltic
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 06:55 PM

'an instrument that takes that long to tear down, pack up, transport, and set up'

At leat the other had have had time to buy the beers for when you have finished.

However that is not the case with a bodhran...

Subject: RE: BS: We is intilecktuals
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 11:46 PM

But you should send the guy with the bodhran around to get the collection...

"I'm not going to say anything about banjo or accordion players, but you are free to draw your own conclusions."

There ARE excpetions... or expectations, or even exceptions...

Subject: RE: BS: We is intilecktuals
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 11:50 PM

..expectorants...