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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do about it From: Mr Red Date: 09 May 08 - 08:51 AM He and Maurice Chevalier. |
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do about it From: theleveller Date: 09 May 08 - 08:43 AM As George Burns pointed out - "getting old isn't so bad when you consider the alternative". |
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do abou From: Paul Burke Date: 09 May 08 - 04:04 AM Apoptosis is ever with us. |
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do abou From: bobad Date: 08 May 08 - 10:26 PM Apoptosis. |
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do abou From: Midchuck Date: 08 May 08 - 10:07 PM We are created by sperms and ova as a means of making more sperms and ova. Once that's done, we're of no further use - except, as has been pointed out above, to nurture the next generation until they're old enough to manage on their own. Accepting this gives one a remarkable sense of freedom, once the children have moved out. If you're one of the lucky ones whose children do move out, at the appropriate time. Peter |
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do about it From: gnu Date: 08 May 08 - 05:30 PM Wise indeed. I agree. |
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do about it From: autolycus Date: 08 May 08 - 05:17 PM Ivor |
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do about it From: Mr Red Date: 08 May 08 - 08:07 AM Lie I do. thirty ten since you ask. |
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do about it From: Zen Date: 08 May 08 - 08:06 AM Then there is telomere shortening and cell senescence but no strong consensus on whether this is a cause, or consequence, of the ageing process. Zen |
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do abou From: GUEST,PMB Date: 08 May 08 - 07:12 AM The way I see it, it's pretty obvious. We have evolved to last long enough to reproduce and set up the next generation in working order. For some animals, like salmon, that's as soon as the eggs are laid. In some spiders the males don't even last beyond the mating. For us, it's long enough to supply the brats with the information to get going. So anything beyond when the kids hit 20 or so is superfluous from a genetic point of view. Our genes aren't designed (by selection) to keep us healthy thereafter. Because we have also developed memetic transmission, there are some advantages in longer life, but these haven't had time or selective pressure to translate back into genes yet- and in any case, the memetic value might be greater if transmitted by an obviously older person. As far as the ecosystem is concerned, once we've done our job, the sooner the carbon is recycled the better. So we're Breaking the Rules by being here at all. Hands up all those who like breaking rules! |
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do abou From: Wyrd Sister Date: 07 May 08 - 01:45 PM "Youth is a gift of Nature: age is a work of art" Fridge magnet so don't know attribution. |
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do about it From: autolycus Date: 07 May 08 - 02:07 AM CK!! I've only been here 62 years and already this youthful, gadget-loving universe wants novelty. Hasn't the universe compared how long it's been here with how lng I have. If we want novelty, WHAT ABOUT A NEW UNIVERSE,hm? Ivor |
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do abou From: john f weldon Date: 06 May 08 - 08:49 PM We age in order to die, and we die to allow novelty into the universe. This was written for the film "To Be" to be The last verse went: "A simple fact, sad but true Nothing's fun unless it's new. That's why we takes turns to see What it's like... ...to Be." |
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do about it From: Little Hawk Date: 06 May 08 - 06:58 PM He claims to be 158, McGrath, but I'm not quite sure if he was serious or not when he said that. It's a little hard to tell. He has a beard which looks like something you'd have seen in the mid to late 1800s. |
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do about it From: gnu Date: 06 May 08 - 06:31 PM Ain't that the best? A smile. And, yes, before all the negative comments.... a smile from a young lady can make us old lads feel grand for days, if only from the memmories. |
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do abou From: Victor in Mapperton Date: 06 May 08 - 06:24 PM For a man in the evening of his life such as myself a smile from a young lady is as good as a tonic ! |
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do abou From: skarpi Date: 06 May 08 - 05:57 PM Why do we age and is there anything we can do about it? why should we do anything about it ??? why should we try to change mother nature ? ATB Skarpi |
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do abou From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 06 May 08 - 05:47 PM That Aubrey de Grey certainly looks all of 45 - and then some... |
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do about it From: Liz the Squeak Date: 06 May 08 - 05:45 PM Everybody ages... the trick is to do it as disreputably as possible. LTS |
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do about it From: autolycus Date: 06 May 08 - 05:09 PM Thanks Uncle Dave. Well that's the answer to can we do anything about it. YES. BECOME SINGLE CELL ORGANISMS What could ne easier? ck! Next? Ivor |
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do abou From: GUEST,Ed.T Date: 06 May 08 - 03:28 PM Etienne-Emile Beaulieu on aging. http://www.charlierose.com/shows/2007/01/04/2/a-conversation-about-aging-and-longevity |
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do about it From: gnu Date: 06 May 08 - 01:36 PM Would that be long division? sub... sorry |
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do abou From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 06 May 08 - 01:01 PM Autolycus, I think one could consider MOST (if not all, just to be safe here) single-cell animals immortal. They divide or separate, and each one of the successors has all of the parent's characteristics. Now there's two of "him", but no one died. And so ad infinitum. Of course an antibiotic like penicillin can prevent cell division of bacteria, say, or drastically slow the rate at which it occurs, but it doesn't kill them off. Dave Oesterreich |
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do about it From: gnu Date: 05 May 08 - 05:43 PM That's what I need... a program. Where can I get one? Are they complimentary in the loge? |
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do about it From: Little Hawk Date: 05 May 08 - 05:37 PM Everything in our time-space continuum seems to age. Even suns and planets. I think it's written into the program. |
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do about it From: autolycus Date: 05 May 08 - 05:31 PM 72 according to wiki. In answer to the thread question, tell me of one single organism that is immortal? Or one animal that doesn't age. Ivor |
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do about it From: Little Hawk Date: 05 May 08 - 05:17 PM Oh? So how old was he when he died, Bill? |
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do about it From: Bill D Date: 05 May 08 - 11:54 AM Many years ago, publisher J. I. Rodale, an advocate of organic farming, died of a heart attack during taping of the Dick Cavette show. Shortly before he suffered the heart attack he had predicted, "I'm planning to live to be 100." |
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do about it From: Little Hawk Date: 05 May 08 - 08:26 AM That Aubrey de Grey is intriguing. ;-) He certainly is sure of himself isn't he? I don't necessarily buy it, but he's interesting. His beard looks like a relic from the (USA) Civil War era. |
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do about it From: GRex Date: 05 May 08 - 04:59 AM As a 'wrinkly' of some years standing, I have found that in addition to diet, exercise and relaxation it's important to 'Use it or Lose it'. This applies to muscle, brain and voice. GRex |
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do about it From: John O'L Date: 04 May 08 - 08:01 PM Aubrey de Grey doesn't think we need to age. He spins a very interesting yarn here about why we need not. |
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do abou From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 04 May 08 - 05:35 PM Maybe there's a pointer here... BS: OBIT: Albert Hoffman, father of LSD, 102 |
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do about it From: gnu Date: 04 May 08 - 05:14 PM Okay. But, you do ask a lot of questions, LH. And some good ones too. ;-) I just don't know if I can handle them in your old age. |
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do about it From: Little Hawk Date: 04 May 08 - 03:38 PM Jeezus FLIP! And I thought Shane was dumb. My gawd. That guy is Shane, cleaned up, modernized, and on steroids or something. gnu. I did not pose the question that launched this thread, okay? ;-) Someone else did. Anyway, you won't have to put up with listening to my questions for another 50 years, because I will be long gone long, long before that. |
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do abou From: GUEST,Ed T Date: 04 May 08 - 12:22 PM Sorry did not put my name on the last post. This guy claims to have the secret to long life. Maybe someone should check back with him in a few years? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPCkZaJvMjc |
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do abou From: BK Lick Date: 04 May 08 - 05:34 AM The physicist John Wheeler, known for having coined the terms black hole and wormhole, famously said "Time is what keeps things from happening all at once." He died two weeks ago at the age of 96. |
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do about it From: gnu Date: 04 May 08 - 04:55 AM I don't have any children either... so, I gotta put up with another fifty years of LH's questions? Pass me a bong. |
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do about it From: Little Hawk Date: 03 May 08 - 04:22 PM Yeah, there's a fella here in town name of Hugh Jass who didn't follow your advice on that. Me, I've been "underweight" all my life. I did notice I was developing a wee potbelly in the last couple of years....but doing 50 situps a day seems to have fairly much cured that. It wasn't fat, it was lack of muscle tone in the stomach muscles. |
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do abou From: Victor in Mapperton Date: 03 May 08 - 04:09 PM Eat less, I know twins, one is a hell of a lot heavier than the other due to a diet of McDonald's and every product Cadbury's has on the market. Watching your diet helps in a lot of ways, your less likely to suffer diabetes,stroke or heart disease and clothing obviously looks better adding to improved self esteem and attitude. So much flack heads towards the smoker and drinker these days, those that grow a second arse tend to get the pardon. Loose weight, look younger. |
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do abou From: Ed T Date: 03 May 08 - 03:01 PM "Hmmm... I suppose the only reason I am still alive is that I gave up smokin dope a long, long time ago" But, though it may be longer, does your life now seem shorter...than with the dope? |
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do about it From: Little Hawk Date: 03 May 08 - 02:10 PM Ah hah! I have no children! Dang. This means I may be around a good deal longer in this world than I had planned on. Crap. |
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do abou From: Bat Goddess Date: 03 May 08 - 02:08 PM Some years ago there was a book published entitled "One Hundred Over One Hundred" or something like that. It profiled 100 people who were 100 years old. They tried to find the common thread, but some smoked and some did not, some drank alcohol and some did not, some were vegetarians, others omnivores, etcet etcet. The ONLY thing they all had in common was that most had no children and no one had more than one child. Linn |
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do about it From: Little Hawk Date: 03 May 08 - 02:02 PM Well....I guess you could just throw caution to the winds, gnu, do EVERYTHING that I advised you not to do, do them all to extreme excess, and go out in a blaze of hedonistic glory! ;-) |
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do about it From: gnu Date: 03 May 08 - 11:17 AM Hmmm... I suppose the only reason I am still alive is that I gave up smokin dope a long, long time ago. Otherwise, I would still enjoy eating sweets and that low sugar intake is my only hope. |
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do about it From: gnu Date: 03 May 08 - 11:13 AM LH... "There are plenty of things you can do to lengthen your life. Exercise. Don't smoke. Drink little or no alcohol. Avoid stress. Take as few drugs as possible (and I mean the prescription type in particular). Eat a good diet. Don't overeat. Keep your sugar intake low. Keep your mental attitude positive and happy." I'm SCREWED! |
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do abou From: Amos Date: 03 May 08 - 11:05 AM Ed, I hear ya. The Internet is riddled with quotes being attributed to people who hadn't been born when they were first published. It annpys me. A |
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do about it From: Jeanie Date: 03 May 08 - 04:50 AM It rather depends on what you mean by "ageing" and being "old". I have come across perfectly healthy people who have become so preoccupied with their fear of death - premature or otherwise - that much of their time is spent thinking and talking about cholesterol, blood pressure, aches, exercise, etc., etc., to the exclusion of pretty much everything else. Boy, oh, boy, are these people self-centered, boring and *OLD* (no matter what their chronological age may be) ! Living ceases to be an exciting and enjoyable process for them. Lively, positive people tend to avoid their company and they end up leading isolated lives or keeping company only with other people just like themselves, in a downward spiral. All this negativity may lead to their actually *becoming* ill and to premature ageing. Then there are people who are the opposite (again, no matter what their chronological age). The other day, I was watching on You Tube a couple of interviews that Michael Parkinson had with that great (and then chronologically old) actress Edith Evans. She's well worth watching. I don't suppose for one moment that that lady ever gave a thought to how "old" she was. For me, she's an example of how having your own inner spirit (the "real" you, if you like) to the fore throughout your life makes physical or negative or chronological constraints pale into insignificance. That lady never grew old. Here's one of her pieces of advice: "Don't worry. Just do your best. That's all you can do. If you do your best, good things will come." When I don't grow old, I want to be like Edith Evans ! - jeanie |
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do abou From: Ed T Date: 03 May 08 - 12:43 AM Maybe so Amos? Strange, but different internet quotation sites attribute it to either one or the other? Curiously, both of these folks seemed to also have been accused of plagiarism. However, London's accusations are broad, and he seemed to even admitted to such: "I, in the course of making my living by turning journalism into literature, used material from various sources which had been collected and narrated by men who made their living by turning the facts of life into journalism." |
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do abou From: Amos Date: 02 May 08 - 11:01 PM Ed: I believe that first quote belongs not to Ian Fleming, but to Jack London (1876-1916).
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Subject: RE: Why do we age-is there anything we can do about it From: Little Hawk Date: 02 May 08 - 10:50 PM The best way to stop the aging process is to die. |
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