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Subject: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from Stroke
From: GUEST,Fantasma
Date: 17 May 08 - 12:30 PM

This just popped up on the wires as I was reading my morning news sites.

From the Boston Herald:

Sen. Edward M. Kennedy has been hospitalized at Massachusetts General Hospital with stroke-like symptoms, several sources close to the family told the Herald this morning.

The eight-term Massachusetts senator and head of the storied Kennedy clan was stricken while at home in Hyannis Port early this morning, sources said, and rushed this morning around 8:30 to Cape Cod Hospital.

Kennedy, 76, was then wheeled on a stretcher to a MedFlight helicopter around 10:15 a.m. this morning, and the copter took off from Barnstable Municipal Airport for Boston and MGH, two sources told the Herald.

Family, friends and colleagues were closed-mouthed this morning as word of the ailment made its way through political and media circles.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from Stroke
From: Bobert
Date: 17 May 08 - 12:46 PM

He definately had "stroke" written all over him in recent years with his weight and the redness in his face...

Hope he pulls thru okay and drops some weight... No, make that alot of weight...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from Stroke
From: Mrrzy
Date: 17 May 08 - 01:30 PM

Ooh, I hope he's OK. I can't help admiring the old warhorse.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from Stroke
From: Jeri
Date: 17 May 08 - 01:31 PM

Haven't seen him recently, have you Bobert?

They were saying a while ago that he'd called to cancel a lunch commitment earlier today. Wonder if it's one of those, 'I have these weird symptoms and better get it checked out' things that will hopefully turn out to NOT be a big deal.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from Stroke
From: GUEST,Fantasma
Date: 17 May 08 - 01:49 PM

The latest from the Boston Globe:

Doctors believe that Senator Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts suffered a seizure at his home in Hyannis Port this morning, then a second seizure as he was being transported by helicopter from Cape Cod Hospital to Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston, according to an official briefed on the situation.

His condition was unclear early this afternoon, as a special police security detail gathered at Mass. General. Kennedy family members were called this morning and told to rush to Boston, according to sources.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from Stroke
From: gnu
Date: 17 May 08 - 02:23 PM

20 minutes ago... "Senator Kennedy is resting comfortably, and it is unlikely we will know anything more for the next 48 hours," the statement said.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible str
From: GUEST,Fantasma
Date: 17 May 08 - 05:28 PM

From ABC News:

"Sources told ABC News affiliate WCVB in Boston that Kennedy was alert and talking, and was undergoing a battery of tests to determine the seriousness of his condition."

I suppose we'll find out soon enough if this is true, or if the "sources" were putting out misinformation disguised as rumor, to buy time for the family.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible str
From: GUEST,Fantasma
Date: 17 May 08 - 05:42 PM

And CBS News reports this:

"(CBS/AP) Sen. Edward M. Kennedy was airlifted to a hospital Saturday after suffering a seizure at his home, and did not appear to have had a stroke as initially suspected, his spokeswoman said. "


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible str
From: Bill D
Date: 17 May 08 - 05:47 PM

I hope he'll be ok...his voice is an important one.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible str
From: GUEST,Fantasma
Date: 17 May 08 - 06:18 PM

Well, at his age, I don't know how much time he has left on the planet, much less in the Senate.

Probably is time to start contemplating a post-Kennedy Democratic party, and the end of America's most loved and loathed political dynasty.

He just had the stent surgery last October, and now one or two seizures. While he may survive this for now, his medical prognosis for the future isn't terribly good in the longer term. And with this sort of medical problem, the longer term can be pretty short.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible str
From: pdq
Date: 17 May 08 - 08:01 PM

Has anyone heard about the Senator from South Dakota and his recovery?

He was "incapacitated" early on. Has that changed?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible str
From: GUEST,Fantasma
Date: 17 May 08 - 08:06 PM

Doing great last I heard. He went back to work last fall, I believe.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible str
From: pdq
Date: 17 May 08 - 08:13 PM

Thank you. He sounds like a good man.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible str
From: GUEST,Fantasma
Date: 17 May 08 - 08:16 PM

And he is running for re-election!

Ethel Kennedy was campaigning in South Dakota today when news of Ted resulted in her & her son flying back to Boston to be with family.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible stroke
From: katlaughing
Date: 17 May 08 - 08:39 PM

While he may survive this for now, his medical prognosis for the future isn't terribly good in the longer term. And with this sort of medical problem, the longer term can be pretty short.

gargoyle has said the same thing about Spaw and Art Thieme, many times over the years. I hope Ted proves you wrong as well as they have proved garg wrong.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible stroke
From: katlaughing
Date: 17 May 08 - 08:43 PM

The 76-year-old senior senator from Massachusetts was awake and joking with his family by late afternoon, according to a source close to the Kennedy family who spoke on the condition of anonymity. By early evening, he was watching a Boston Red Sox game and ordering dinner from Legal Seafood, the source said.

Larry Ronan, Kennedy's primary-care physician, released a statement saying Kennedy was "not in any immediate danger."


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible str
From: GUEST,Fantasma
Date: 17 May 08 - 08:43 PM

Why this dysfunctional need to get ugly here, katlaughing, and make it about me?

Talk about sick.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible str
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 May 08 - 09:33 PM

CNN-
Ted Kennedy hospitalized after seizure

STORY HIGHLIGHTS
NEW: Tests say senator did not have stroke, no immediate danger, doctor says
Family optimistic he will make full recovery
Sens. McCain, Clinton, Obama offer good wishes; Kerry visits hospital
76-year-old liberal stalwart has served in Senate since 1962
From John King
CNN Chief National Correspondent

(CNN) -- Sen. Edward Kennedy was hospitalized in Boston, Massachusetts, after suffering an apparent seizure Saturday morning, his family said.


Sen. Ted Kennedy, shown in May 2007, was rushed to a hospital Saturday morning.

"Preliminary tests have determined that he has not suffered a stroke and is not in any immediate danger. He's resting comfortably, and watching the Red Sox game with his family," said Dr. Larry Ronan, a physician at Massachusetts General Hospital.

"Over the next couple of days, Sen. Kennedy will undergo further evaluation to determine the cause of the seizure, and a course of treatment will be determined at that time," said Ronan, who is Kennedy's primary care physician.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Saturday he spoke to the wife of the Massachusetts Democrat, Victoria Reggie Kennedy, and she told him her husband is going to be fine.

"Everyone knows he is a strong fighter," Reid said, speaking at the Nevada state Democratic Party convention.

Kennedy was transferred to Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston for evaluation after initial treatment at Cape Cod Hospital, an earlier statement from his office said.

The senator spent less than an hour in the Cape Cod facility, hospital spokesman David Reilly said.

Earlier, a Democratic source in Massachusetts said the 76-year-old senator had "symptoms of a stroke" at the Kennedy family compound in Hyannisport. Watch an update on Kennedy's condition »

An official with the Hyannis Fire Department said it received a 911 call from the Kennedy compound at 8:19 a.m. and transported a male patient to the hospital, arriving at 8:50 a.m.

The patient was subsequently transferred to the hospital's municipal airport, and a Boston Med Flight helicopter flew the man to Massachusetts General, Lt. Bill Rex said.

Family members reported that Kennedy was well enough later in the morning to call to say he would not be able to join them for lunch.

They said they were guardedly optimistic he would make a full recovery.

Kennedy had surgery in October to clear his carotid artery in hopes of preventing a stroke. Colleagues said he had recovered quickly and was working energetically recently.

He suffers chronic back pain from injuries suffered in a plane crash in 1964.

Kennedy has represented Massachusetts in the Senate since 1962. He is one of only six senators in U.S. history to serve more than 40 years. He is known as a liberal champion of social issues such as health care, family leave and the minimum wage. Take a closer look at Kennedy's life »

He ran unsuccessfully for the Democratic presidential nomination in 1980. He has endorsed Illinois Sen. Barack Obama for the 2008 nomination.

Obama said that his "thoughts and prayers" are with Kennedy.

"We are going to try to find out as quickly as possible what is going on," Obama said, and added that he would call Kennedy's wife.

"He is one of my favorite people," Obama said.

The presumptive Republican presidential nominee, Sen. John McCain of Arizona, said in a statement he was "very sorry to hear that Sen. Kennedy has taken ill and, like millions of Americans, Cindy and I anxiously await word of his condition."

The two senators are close friends despite differing political ideologies. They co-sponsored a comprehensive immigration bill that has stalled in the Senate.

"He is a legendary lawmaker," McCain said.

Presidential candidate Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-New York, said: "My thoughts and prayers are with Ted Kennedy and his family today. We all wish him well and a quick recovery."

Kennedy is the youngest of nine children in the famous family of Joseph and Rose Kennedy. His oldest brother, Joe, died in World War II; two other brothers, President John F. Kennedy and Sen. Robert Kennedy, were assassinated in the 1960s.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible stroke
From: fumblefingers
Date: 17 May 08 - 11:13 PM

All those double Chivas on the rocks probably didn't help him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible str
From: Sorcha
Date: 18 May 08 - 01:44 AM

May I just say Chappaquadick here?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible stroke
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 18 May 08 - 04:23 AM

The chance for a pun about "stroke" was too good too miss.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible stroke
From: van lingle
Date: 18 May 08 - 04:59 AM

Sorcha, no you may not. I hope one of the last liberal voices in the senate is around for a good long while.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible stroke
From: katlaughing
Date: 18 May 08 - 06:16 AM

Same here, van lingle.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible stroke
From: Teribus
Date: 18 May 08 - 07:14 AM

Well one thing's for certain - Mary Jo sure as hell isn't.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible str
From: GUEST,Fantasma
Date: 18 May 08 - 07:55 AM

It does pay to remember he is the grandson of a well to do Boston saloonkeeper, and the son of a Wall Street con artist, who came out of the Prohibition era with lots of nice mob boss friends and great liquor importing deals, making him millions after repeal. Daddy JP was also a movie mogul for a time, with a penchant for buxom movie stars (an apparently inherited Kennedy male trait). And because JP was a master at insider trading and stock manipulation, the ole boy actually made money in the immediate wake of the 1929 stock market crash.

But all that was chump change compared to what JP made in real estate during WWII, including the purchase of the crown jewel of his real estate holdings, the Merchandise Mart in Chicago, for a song.

So, the Kennedy family business--booze, Wall Street cons, real estate speculating, and of course, politics.

And being Harvard alum, too--how could I forget? That keeps him busy in Boston.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible str
From: GUEST,Fantasma
Date: 18 May 08 - 08:30 AM

And then there was that dirty girl in the early 90s, who was partying with the Kennedy boys at Uncle Teddy's bachelor pad in Palm Beach, and the nasty rape trial that followed. Of course Teddy was innocent of ANY wrongdoing--he was passed out dead drunk at the time of the "alleged incident". Oh, except for when he showed up in the living room without his trousers on.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible stroke
From: van lingle
Date: 18 May 08 - 08:49 AM

Take off your dancing shoes F, the old boy ain't dead yet.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible str
From: GUEST,Fantasma
Date: 18 May 08 - 08:54 AM

van lingle, apparently you and katlaughing are Kennedy worshippers. My purpose for starting the thread wasn't intended to be about Kennedy worship. Now, I don't consider the Kennedy political legacy to be evil on the level of J Edgar Hoover or Richard Nixon, whose graves I would be delighted to dance upon. Indeed, Ted Kennedy has been a part of some important legislation in his decades in the Senate.

But let's be real here. William Jennings Bryan he ain't.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible stroke
From: van lingle
Date: 18 May 08 - 08:58 AM

F, you are the salt on the rim of the margarita that is mudcat. Don't ever change.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible str
From: GUEST,Fantasma
Date: 18 May 08 - 09:04 AM

Why thank you, van lingle.

I do love the salty side. ;)


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible str
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 May 08 - 12:04 PM

What was that about "this dysfunctional need to get ugly"?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible stroke
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 May 08 - 12:10 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible str
From: GUEST,Fantasma - PM
Date: 17 May 08 - 08:43 PM

Why this dysfunctional need to get ugly here, katlaughing, and make it about me?

Talk about sick.


No comment.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible str
From: GUEST,Fantasma
Date: 18 May 08 - 12:15 PM

Hate to burst that self-righteous bubble ye be floatin' in there SRS, but you just did comment.

Again, I'm flattered for all your attention.

In fact, it is clear I'm far more fascinating to Mudcatters than Teddy, when you look at all the posts to this thread!

Take that Teddy boy!


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible str
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 May 08 - 05:18 PM

Comment


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible stroke
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 May 08 - 12:39 AM

It's always about you, even with the thread title has the name of someone you want to malign. Why bother to even mention Kennedy?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible stroke
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 May 08 - 01:42 AM

Over the years, Kennedy has become a powerful voice in the Senate. In my opinion in the process he has given a voice to the voiceless. Long may he live and thrive.

It has nothing whatever to do with Kennedy or Celebrity worship. One can respect someone despite any flaws. I recognize a good many of my flaws but I would resist any attempt to write me off because of them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible stroke
From: katlaughing
Date: 20 May 08 - 02:09 PM

NPR is just reporting the tests show a "malignant" tumor, a "glioma"(sp) it apparently is the tissue which connects the nerves in the brain. They are being careful about what they say as it is too early to tell.

Wishing him only the best.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible str
From: GUEST,Fantasma
Date: 20 May 08 - 02:18 PM

I hadn't heard the results, thanks for the info.

I figured it might be a tumor. My sister-in-law went through this less than a year ago.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible stroke
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 20 May 08 - 02:20 PM

BBC news just reported "brain tumour".

Kitty


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible stroke
From: frogprince
Date: 20 May 08 - 02:25 PM

Fantasma, for perspective, not to dog anyone or make any point; did your sister-in-law make it, or did you lose her?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible stroke
From: GUEST,dh
Date: 20 May 08 - 02:26 PM

I was hoping he only had the DTs but now it seems it is very serious.

Glioma may respond to surgury but are slippery things that can return.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible stroke
From: jeffp
Date: 20 May 08 - 02:40 PM

My first wife's brain tumor initially presented with seizures. It was diagnosed as an astrocytoma, which progressed over the years to a glioblastoma. She lived 7 years after an initial prognosis of 1 1/2-2 years. It was in the right temporal lobe. Kennedy's is apparently in the left parietal lobe. It does not bode well. I am very sorry to hear this news.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible str
From: GUEST,Fantasma
Date: 20 May 08 - 02:48 PM

I worked briefly for a neurosurgeon a few years back, so I knew he had likely either had a stroke, a tumor, or an aneurysm.

Actually, for my sister-in-law didn't turn out to be the tumor (as was first suspected), but an aneurysm.

Her symptoms were headaches & nausea, then loss of consciousness. However, she had just completed (a few months prior) a heart valve replacement, and it isn't uncommon, after that sort of surgery, to have either a stroke or aneurysm.

I'm not sure how common aneurysms and stroke are in patients who had the surgery he did last fall to clear his artery.

When I read last Saturday that Kennedy had a stent put in last fall though, my first guess was he had either the stroke or aneurysm.

Once they came out and said it wasn't a stroke, I figured it was probably the tumor.

Prognosis is pretty bad for someone his age & medical conditions, but you never know who will sail through it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible stroke
From: katlaughing
Date: 20 May 08 - 02:54 PM

My friend had a friend who had a similar tumour. She had the surgery and, I think, chemo and radiation. She lived another three years.

I hope he can rest on his laurels, so to speak, and allow himself to be with family and give up the demands of his public life. The stress of political life comes at a terrible cost for so many.

May health prevail for him despite what seems to be.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible str
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 20 May 08 - 03:43 PM

While I abhor his politics, and detest his (especially early) personal life, I hope Kennedy has a full and speedy recovery.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible stroke
From: catspaw49
Date: 20 May 08 - 03:52 PM

FROM THE BOSTON GLOBE:

Malignant gliomas are a type of brain cancer diagnosed in about 9,000 Americans a year and are the most common type among adults. It's a starting diagnosis: How well patients fare depends on what specific tumor type is discovered.

Average survival can range from less than a year for very advanced and aggressive types -- such as glioblastomas -- to about five years for different types that are slower-growing.

One expert, Dr. Joseph Madsen, a neurosurgeon at Children's Hospital Boston, said the diagnosis was "very sad news."

"High-grade glio-malignancies" such as Senator Kennedy has "are unfortunately the most common kind of brain tumor in this age group, and they have a poor prognosis for long-term survival," he said.

They can also be very debilitating during treatment, Madsen said, and Kennedy's tumor is in an area where it may well eventually affect his speech.



Karen (a Senior Lead Lab Tech) says the Grade 4 types are common in older people and survivals are in the one year range. Most are well along before they are found.

Very tough news indeed.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible stroke
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 May 08 - 04:29 PM

Years ago, my doctor at the time was diagnosed with a glioma. He opted not to have surgery; he said that he saw no reason to make his remaining time more miserable.

Instead he and his wife took their young family on vacation to Tahiti where they had a wonderful time.

He was 43 when he died, three months after diagnosis.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible str
From: GUEST,Fantasma
Date: 20 May 08 - 05:47 PM

It is really hard to say at this point how bad it is. Mind, his age alone is the biggest factor he has working against him. But we don't know anything specific about the tumor itself.

I also hope we aren't made privvy to that info. It isn't any of our fucking business.

I will say this: he has more going for him than most people simply because of his wealth and access to the best specialists in the world. They could keeping him going for awhile.

But at his age, nothing will work for long. And the emotional hit you take when you learn about the tumors is pretty substantial, so for someone like him who has been healthy enough to stay in the political arena for as long as he has, he may just want to not return after the summer recess, and fade away gracefully. Because of the problems he could have, I just don't see a return to the public arena for him.

But what the hell do I know besides nil about how Teddy boy feels?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible str
From: GUEST,Fantasma
Date: 20 May 08 - 07:16 PM

From the NYT article:

"The prognosis of a cancerous brain tumor depends on several factors. One is its location within the brain tissue. Another is how easily a neurosurgeon can remove the tumor. In general, prognosis is better for patients under age 45."

Since they didn't mention the surgical option, it must be inoperable.

The chemo & radiation won't do much good, if any, in all likelihood. However, they'll give it to him if he wants it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible stroke
From: catspaw49
Date: 20 May 08 - 07:37 PM

The chemo/rad is standard treatment but one article had a prominent oncologist saying he and others suggest applying to cancer centers as a test candidate. There are currently a lot of various treatments being tried and they say to find out if you might be a candidate for the testing. \\

As I said before, prognosis on the grade 4 type is generally less than a year even with treatment.

MAYO info on Kennedy's type of tumor

MAYO Clinical Trial on same type


Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible str
From: GUEST,Fantasma
Date: 20 May 08 - 07:45 PM

It's funny you mention the test candidate thing. When I worked with neurosurgeon, one of his partners did only experimental surgeries on brain cancer patients, for research purposes.

All of his patients died. All of them. He was a very odd fellow.

But that is how they figure out cures and treatments.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible stroke
From: Beer
Date: 20 May 08 - 08:45 PM

Tough times ahead.
Here is hoping for the best.
Adrien


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible str
From: GUEST,Fantasma
Date: 20 May 08 - 09:10 PM

Well, now I know he has seen hard times. Two sibs murdered, a plane crash that disabled him, driving drunk into the drink with a young girl, and all that.

But he has also lived a long, privleged, very pampered life.

So let's no go all maudlin here. He had a pretty good run, far better than most.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible stroke
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 May 08 - 11:34 PM

I suspect that if I'd had two 'sibs' murdered I'd have a hard time saying that "It's been a good run all in all."

One assimilates and copes; one never says something to the effect of "It worked out pretty good."


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible str
From: GUEST,Fantasma
Date: 20 May 08 - 11:51 PM

Maybe you wouldn't say it, but when others look back over their lives, they might not agree with you insisting it was a shit life.

Ever think of that?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible stroke
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 May 08 - 11:56 PM

We're saying two different things.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible str
From: jacqui.c
Date: 21 May 08 - 08:05 AM

Kennedy has had a lot of tragedy in his life, some brought about by his own misdeeds, but the man has put in a life of public service which has brought praise from just about every part of the political spectrum.

Does privilege and 'pampering' make up for the loss of two brothers in such a brutal fashion or the loss of his nephew at such a young age? Since we have not experienced either the positive or the negative sides of that particular coin are any of us in a position to make a judgment?

I'm sure that all possible effort will be made to extend Mr Kennedy's life for as long as he wants to fight and I hope that, at the end, he is able to die with as much dignity and as little pain as is possible.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible stroke
From: Donuel
Date: 21 May 08 - 08:52 AM

The left parietal lobe of the brain contains the LaBrooa region which controls all speech in men.


(only woman have this structure in both hemispheres.)


ergo

If Ted had surgury, his speech could be lost.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible stroke
From: GUEST,VOT
Date: 21 May 08 - 03:21 PM

There will never again be a liberal like Ted who was the REAL THING and did countless good for the state of Massachussets and the country. Made one proud to be a Democrat. The prognosis, at least as reported by the media, does not sound good at all. We know Ted is a fighter, so if anyone can beat this, or at least stay it off for a while, it's him. Our prayers and thoughts are with him. So sad how so many of the Kennedy's have tragically died; at least some of their dreams have not.

btw many people take issue with the accident Ted had at Chap. and I am not going to take sides either way at this moment; what I do believe is that he was a sincere and gifted politician,the likes of which we may never see again.



and finally...Yes I KNOW this will be erased, but I will have at least 15 seconds of freedom of speech here and say: I really did wonder if there was something wrong with his brain when he endorsed Obama. Now we know.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible stroke
From: Penny S.
Date: 21 May 08 - 03:50 PM

This is what my mother died from. I do not like to think of how he will go out, and hope that he does not have the bad side effects of the diamorphine when he needs it.

Penny


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible stroke
From: katlaughing
Date: 21 May 08 - 04:47 PM

FWIW, one can sign a virtual card to him on his website and HERE. I don't give a damn about any opinions about these types of things and their efficacy so stuff it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible str
From: jacqui.c
Date: 21 May 08 - 05:04 PM

Thanks for that Kat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible stroke
From: Beer
Date: 21 May 08 - 05:57 PM

Thanks Kat. Appreciated.
Beer (adrien)


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible stroke
From: katlaughing
Date: 21 May 08 - 06:39 PM

Thank you, both. Here's a little more about how one may support him:

The day that Senator Kennedy was rushed to the hospital he was supposed to hold a fundraiser for the charity, Best Buddies. Best Buddies' mission is to enhance the lives of people with intellectual disabilities. Another great way to show your support for Senator Kennedy would be to make a donation to this organization.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible stroke
From: Beer
Date: 21 May 08 - 07:07 PM

Tried the e-mail but it wouldn't accept my postal code. I guess it is only for U.S. residence.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible str
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 21 May 08 - 07:57 PM

Best Buddies

"Best Buddies ® is a nonprofit 501(c)(3) organization dedicated to enhancing the lives of people with intellectual disabilities by providing opportunities for one-to-one friendships and integrated employment.

"Founded in 1989 by Anthony Kennedy Shriver, Best Buddies is a vibrant, international organization that has grown from one original chapter to more than 1,300 middle school, high school, and college campuses across the country and internationally. Best Buddies programs engage participants in each of the 50 United States. We have accredited international programs on six continents with additional country programs under active development. Our six formal programs – Best Buddies Middle Schools, High Schools, Colleges, Citizens, e -Buddies® and Jobs – will positively impact more than 350,000 individuals this year. Best Buddies also is systematically implementing our 2010 initiative that will witness the organization's continued significant growth, both domestically and overseas. Best Buddies volunteers annually contribute services to the community that equate to more than $70 million USD.

"Even though Best Buddies has advanced tremendously in our short existence, many areas of the country and many regions of the world still lack programs to help people with intellectual disabilities become part of mainstream society. Our goal is to continue expanding nationwide and at the local community level, while more broadly engaging the global community through our programs."


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible stroke
From: kendall
Date: 22 May 08 - 09:29 AM

As a man, I've had little use for Teddy since he opposed Carter and helped to hand the White House to "The Actor" in 1980. However, I agree 100% with his politics.

By the way, all those comments about his privilege and pampering...his money and position were bought and paid for by old Joe Kennedy before Teddy was born. I hope no one knocks me because of what my father did or didn't do.
Naturally he is being well cared for...so what? If he had his way, every American would enjoy the same health care he and all those other career politicians have.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible str
From: DougR
Date: 23 May 08 - 01:18 AM

I don't agree with Senator Kennedy on a single piece of legislation he has championed. Still, I hope and pray that he recovers from this terrible diagnosis.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible stroke
From: van lingle
Date: 23 May 08 - 05:06 PM

Thanks for the link to the virtual card kat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ted Kennedy Hospitalized from possible stroke
From: Joe Offer
Date: 24 May 08 - 04:02 AM

By rights, the U.S. Senate should be a businessmen's club, a bunch of rich old guys who care about little more than their stock portfolios. Luckily, there have been some remarkable people in the Senate in the last half-century, senators who really seem to care about the rights and needs of the people. Most of them are gone now, and Ted Kennedy is a part of that disappearing generation. I guess he'll be gone soon, too. He wasn't perfect, but he tried to serve the people.

God bless him.

-Joe Offer-


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