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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: GUEST,Volgadon Date: 19 Sep 08 - 09:42 AM "strapping, injuries, bulged veins, etc...and, yes, the top females probably would beat me, the "weed" (Tim), just an A-grade junior, weighing-in as a middle-weight, in boxing terms, at 74kg, with my clubfoot and slow pace around the court - but that does NOT alter my above argument. Let me put it this way, if and when I'm working as a production manager, I'd have no problem being under a reasonable female MD (note no !) BUT, on the shopfloor, if I saw (pardon the poetry), a lady about to lift a 25kg bag of raw material, I'd stop her and do it myself." I would too, but that's just because I like to help. Doesn't mean they can't play tennis. Besides, any professional sportsman sustains injuries. "Let each Christian nation have its own Church - Equal, before God, with the others' Search." Sure, that makes sense if you view churches as a nationalistic institution, but are they? "Tim again: there's job searching, tunes to work-out and memorise, and Lawn tennis on the tv - BBC, Davis Cup; and, Diane, NEWS, which involves "experts" suddenly talking about the kind of REGULATIONISM that I've been advocating for years - yes, I try and keep my sense of humour through the barrage, but you're the one deluding yourself, frankly." Experts? Opinionated blowhards, more like. Would you please go into greater detail about what YOU mean by regulationism (strange term)? |
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: GUEST,Woody Date: 19 Sep 08 - 10:01 AM Let each Christian nation have its own Church So cultural imports are fine as long as when they arrive they say that they're English? Christianity comes from the middle-east and was shaped as the state religion of the Roman empire. The Anglo-Saxons were converted to Christianity by Roman & Frankish preachers who advocated them abandoning their own cultural identity in favour of Romano-Greco cultural imperialism. each Christian nation So is England a Christian nation? Is this why you mention English hymns? This means that to be English you have to be Christian? And what about all our traditions which are considered "pagan"? |
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: mandotim Date: 19 Sep 08 - 11:43 AM WAV, in the second rubber of the Davis Cup, did you notice that the player who won was a Scot, playing what you deem to be an English game? Not part of his 'own good culture at all, was it? Did you cheer when he won, and if so, why? Tim |
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: Jack Blandiver Date: 19 Sep 08 - 11:46 AM And what about all our traditions which are considered "pagan"? Just like to jump in at this point and say that considered is more a matter of misguided wishful thinking in the manner of Frazerian folkloric wishfulness. A load of utter bollocks in other words; no traditions are seriously considered to be pagan. |
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: GUEST,Woody Date: 19 Sep 08 - 12:09 PM Hi IB - by "considered Pagan" I'm referring to those traditions that seem considered "non-Christian" or "anti-Christian". For instance there is a strong movement among many Christians in this area against Halloween. |
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: Phil Edwards Date: 19 Sep 08 - 12:21 PM That's, um, the eve of All Hallows, aka All Saints' Day. It's about as pagan as Easter. |
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: mandotim Date: 19 Sep 08 - 12:32 PM Er; wasn't Halloween originally Samhain? Tim |
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 19 Sep 08 - 12:43 PM Tim: it's better for females to play table tennis: a game primarily of reflex and skill at which they can be very good - without having to grind away their femininity. And I hope and pray that one day Andy plays Davis Cup tennis against the likes of England - as suggested, I hate imperialism. Hence, also, the above poem, which suggests my opinion that both the imperialistic Anglican and Roman Catholic movements should be replaced by a Church of England, a Church of Italy, a Church of Wales, etc. |
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: The Borchester Echo Date: 19 Sep 08 - 12:46 PM But Easter is ever so pagan. It's about eggs and pacing them down hills (Fr. Pâques = Easter) and that bit about Roman methods of capital punishment for religious agitators was just added on, as was the story of said agitator's birth added onto Yule. Religious stories and folklore have been intermingled since the Middle Ages. The overlay of consumerism began to be established only in the Victorian era when German royals started a destructive timber trade and somebody started fattening geese and then turkeys. |
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: Phil Edwards Date: 19 Sep 08 - 12:49 PM Tim - that's one of those bits of 'folklore' IB referred to. |
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: The Borchester Echo Date: 19 Sep 08 - 12:51 PM Women can retrieve their ground away femininity by a game of ping pong? Jesus Christ . . . ah yes, that's what that religious agitator was called. |
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: mandotim Date: 19 Sep 08 - 01:28 PM Still waiting for two answers WAV; as you are not as strong as a specific woman (say, Serena williams), who in turn is not strong enough to play tennis (according to you), will you be giving up tennis in order to follow your own precepts? Or is it to do with something other than strength? I notice you've now introduced the concept of femininity into the discussion. Perhaps you would like to tell us what you understand by the term 'femininity', so we can discuss this latest assertion from a congruent standpoint? Also; my first question, which you seem unable to tackle, despite your higher education; are you in favour of cultural separation, despite it meaning (as demonstrated through use of your own logic) the end of international sporting competition? More in hope than anticipation Tim |
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: mandotim Date: 19 Sep 08 - 01:31 PM Pip R; yes, I know; it sits along with such things as dwile flunking as far as I'm concerned. I'm not saying it's ancient, I'm just saying it is also claimed by a non-Christian belief system, however recent. Good thread drift though, eh? Tim |
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: Jack Blandiver Date: 19 Sep 08 - 01:31 PM Er; wasn't Halloween originally Samhain? Samhain is simply the Gaelic name for November; it's currency with respect to paganism is wobbly to say the least. So much of this folklorism was the work of aristocratic antiquaries, romantics & other diverse bourgeois fantastists with a particular axe to grind, so consequently trying to get any sort of handle on it is damn near impossible, especially taking into account the equally wilful obfuscations of neo-pagans too. The paganisation of folklore is the result of the self-same Victorian paternalism that justified the evils of colonialism. It's there in the cultural condescension that would interpret any given folk custom as being somehow vestigial of something now long forgotten. For example, when the thoroughly aristocratic Lady Raglan first called her medieval ecclesiastical foliate head a 'Green Man', she did so fully in the faith that the Jacks-in-the-Green etc. were survivals of pagan fertility rites quaintly perpetuated by an ignorant lower order of society unwittingly preserving as mere superstition an ancient belief system that they themselves couldn't possibly understand, either in terms of its 'true' provenance or else its 'real' meaning.* But Easter is ever so pagan. Named after an Anglo-Saxon hare-goddess & celebrated on the first Sunday after the first full-moon after the Spring Equinox indeed! However, to call Easter one of our traditions is perhaps stretching the point. The entrenched, complex, highly organised and regimented theology of the 2000-year-old Roman Catholic Church is hardly a matter of folklore or tradition. * A paraphrasing from here. Bloody hell - how Wav-like is that, eh? Quoting my own rhetoric & referencing via a link to my own website! But I've had a very busy day & I'm absolutely done in. To make up for it, here's a picture of the lovely Abigail sitting so beautifully in the waters of The Wyre yesterday afternoon: Abigail I'm off to watch In The Night Garden, the only programme on TV right now that makes any sort of sense to me. |
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: GUEST,VOlgadon Date: 19 Sep 08 - 02:00 PM "That's, um, the eve of All Hallows, aka All Saints' Day. It's about as pagan as Easter." [Blackadder has tied up Captain Darling and is grilling him as if he were a German spy.] Darling: Look, I'm as British as Queen Victoria! Blackadder: So, your father's German, you're half-German, and you married a German? |
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: Phil Edwards Date: 19 Sep 08 - 02:12 PM But Easter is ever so pagan. Yes and no. You can find something pagan behind or underneath it if you dig deep enough, as you can (perhaps) with Guy Fawkes' Night (never heard of a Halloween bonfire). But it's been Christian, as has All Hallows' Eve, for a very long time - far too long for any of the pagan content to have survived in any meaningful sense. |
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: Don Firth Date: 19 Sep 08 - 02:16 PM Re: women tennis players From The Telegraph, 18 Jun 2007: "The British number one looks on form, hitting the ball with ease and accuracy under the coach's watchful eye. This, however, is not a fiery 6 ft. 2 in. Scot, but a 5 ft. 9 in., softly spoken girl from Hackney. "With Andy Murray's wrist injury [emphasis mine – DF] making him doubtful for Wimbledon this year, British support next week will turn to Anne Keothavong, this country's top woman player, who plays tomorrow at the International Women's Open in Eastbourne." I'm not familiar with this young lady's background, but it might be interesting to note that, judging from both her surname and her appearance, she's either an immigrant or the descendant of immigrants. I doubt that Keothavong is a common name in Yorkshire or Suffolk. . . . Her coach, by the way, is Australian. But then, women are so incredibly delicate, and they must be protected. Take, for example, the delicate arms on this fragile young thing. On the other hand, I sure as heck wouldn't try to tell this young lady what she should and shouldn't be allowed to do! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: GUEST,Woody Date: 19 Sep 08 - 02:17 PM OK - forget the word pagan and get back to the point. WAV - What you have said about other cultures when applied to Christianity either implies.... Christianity does not originate in England - result of foreign cultural imperialism - hence by your definition not allowed ..or.. Christianity does not originate in England - result of foreign cultural imperialism - must become Anglicized to be allowed If the former, then your being a practising Christian is a culturally corrupting influence and you should leave the country or abandon your beliefs to avoid spreading your foreign culture. From what you say about a non-imperial Church of England it seems you are saying the latter applies. If so then logically anybody can come into the country with whatever culture as long as they adapt it to an Anglicized version. Given that the church defines its how it acts, those coming in would decide what qualified as an Anglicized version of their culture. |
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: The Borchester Echo Date: 19 Sep 08 - 02:19 PM Ah yes, of course, how silly of me. I'd forgotten all about Asda selling those chocolate eggs - to celebrate the birthday of Jesus as they helpfully explained. And they're on sale early enough to give to kids trick or treating on that religious festival on 31 October . . . |
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: GUEST,Volgadon Date: 19 Sep 08 - 02:27 PM "Hence, also, the above poem, which suggests my opinion that both the imperialistic Anglican and Roman Catholic movements should be replaced by a Church of England, a Church of Italy, a Church of Wales, etc." Then become an Eastern Orthodox sort of Christian. |
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: Phil Edwards Date: 19 Sep 08 - 02:37 PM I'm using 'pagan' to mean 'deriving from pre-Christian worship or belief'. Halloween isn't Christian any more, but there's no reason to think any part of it is pagan. As for those eggs, I don't think anyone knows when or how they were first associated with the Christian festival of Easter (wherever that word comes from). As I was saying, you can find the traces of where pagan beliefs used to be if you dig deep enough, but I don't think anything identifiably pagan has survived. |
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: GUEST,Woody Date: 19 Sep 08 - 02:42 PM I don't want to over do the Christian thing but it's something that applies to Wav rather than something relating to some hypothetical foreigner, so hopefully his answer will be enlightening. |
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: s&r Date: 19 Sep 08 - 02:43 PM Don I loved your first link - it's reassuring to know that this frail delicate female would have a knight in shining armour to handshould she ever try to lift 25kg Stu |
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: GUEST,Volgadon Date: 19 Sep 08 - 03:07 PM "As for those eggs, I don't think anyone knows when or how they were first associated with the Christian festival of Easter (wherever that word comes from). As I was saying, you can find the traces of where pagan beliefs used to be if you dig deep enough, but I don't think anything identifiably pagan has survived." They formed no part of Easter in the Levant until recently. |
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: Jack Blandiver Date: 19 Sep 08 - 05:32 PM From http://www.mainlymorrisdancing.org.uk/ : Current estimates are that there are around 14,000 morris dancers in the UK. No point, just nice to know. |
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: Spleen Cringe Date: 19 Sep 08 - 07:49 PM talking bollocks around a kitchen table That's something I'd much rather do than write about... |
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: catspaw49 Date: 20 Sep 08 - 01:02 AM So Wavybigotdude...............What the fuck does "grind away at their femininity" mean? Why do I get the idea that's your code for "muscular athletic woman is, Church of England God forbid, a lesbian." You really are an ass aren't you? You're transparent in voicing your bigoted and racist beliefs and the pathetic excuse you have for a life's work makes it crystal clear that even bad poetry cannot mask rotted ideas. Please know this is not an attack, just a statement that summarizes your postings as folks here see them. And let's not delude ourselves that I wouldn't dare say this to you in a face to face, 3D situation. I'd love to! Might even follow up with a fun kick to your dessicated nuts. Actually I know some nice women who would be overjoyed to do it for me......or rather for themselves! Why not take your pathetic self off to a nice Aryan Nation website where you'll get rave reviews I'm sure. That's really the Nation you belong to isn't it? Spaw |
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 20 Sep 08 - 10:32 AM It's better if the land, the culture, the law of the land, etc. are linked, and the above "Further Anti-Imperialism" relates to that. Nice logs, Don! "From http://www.mainlymorrisdancing.org.uk/ : Current estimates are that there are around 14,000 morris dancers in the UK. No point, just nice to know." (IB)...I agree, and God's speed to them. |
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: mandotim Date: 20 Sep 08 - 10:53 AM Still waiting for answers....Please enlighten us WAV; I've asked you three relatively simple questions, and you haven't answered any of them. Why is this? Didn't you understand the questions? I would have thought a man with three technical certificates wiould have found the task straightforward enough. So; answers please! Tim |
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: catspaw49 Date: 20 Sep 08 - 11:03 AM Tell ya' what Tim, his beliefs don't allow straight answers. See, Wavy's mama taught him that if he gave a straight and truthful answer his bellybutton would come undone and his ass would fall off. Actually, that's just a joke. I'm not sure his mother had any children that lived. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 20 Sep 08 - 12:20 PM Get your posterior back to your kitty litter, Catspaw. |
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: s&r Date: 20 Sep 08 - 12:26 PM What were the subjects of your technical certificates WAV? Stu |
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: Snuffy Date: 20 Sep 08 - 01:06 PM Eggs at Easter are specifically a product of Christian doctrine:
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 20 Sep 08 - 02:04 PM Stu - from IT to fork-lift licence to manufacturing technologies. Snuffy - I vaguely remember watching a documentary, for which Maddy Prior may have done the backing music, that argued how bird's eggs in fields were believed to be hare's eggs and symbols of (seasonal) rebirth...hence, eventually, the Easter bunny and eggs. |
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: catspaw49 Date: 20 Sep 08 - 05:40 PM LMAO........One of your precious degrees you go on and on about is a forklift license? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA................Gimmee a fockin' break!!! I bet you were damn good moving around those concrete products since you're a real mortar forker........... All Hail THE GREAT WAVYDOODLYSQUAT....Knower of all things and master of the world because he can drive a forklift..........ROTFLMAO Is it true your parents left you in the woods for the skunks to raise and the skunks returned you saying you were a disgrace to their kind and you smelled really awful? Thanks for the laugh......almost as funny as your "Life's Work" is bad! Spaw |
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: Jack Blandiver Date: 20 Sep 08 - 06:16 PM I agree, and God's speed to them Percentage of English population who are Morris Dancers: 0.028% fork-lift licence Kudos. bird's eggs in fields were believed to be hare's eggs and symbols of (seasonal) rebirth...hence, eventually, the Easter bunny and eggs And the nursery rhyme Ring-a-Roses is about the Black Death, right? |
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: Don Firth Date: 20 Sep 08 - 06:17 PM Gee! I sang some and participated in a workshop at the last Northwest Forklift Festival. . . . Oh, no! Sorry! That was the Northwest Folklife Festival! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: GUEST,Dandy in Aspic Date: 21 Sep 08 - 05:27 AM Saw my old friend doing a great display of Morris dancing in Manchester on the BBC this morning. Dandy in Aspic |
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: catspaw49 Date: 21 Sep 08 - 07:35 AM Does he drive a forklift by any chance? I mean that's the real test here. You are nothing if you can't drive a forklift........And so many great folkie song about forklift operators....... Wavydork Henry, Forklift Drivin' Man Wreck of the Old #197 Forklift A Mighty Forklift Is My God Michael, Drive the Forklift Off the Dock Seven Spanish Forklifts Twa Forklifts Tramps and Forklifts Gee, I hope all of these are in the English tradition........ Spaw |
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 21 Sep 08 - 08:55 AM "Does he drive a forklift by any chance? I mean that's the real test here. You are nothing if you can't drive a forklift........And so many great folkie song about forklift operators....... Wavydork Henry, Forklift Drivin' Man Wreck of the Old #197 Forklift A Mighty Forklift Is My God Michael, Drive the Forklift Off the Dock Seven Spanish Forklifts Twa Forklifts Tramps and Forklifts LMAO........One of your precious degrees you go on and on about is a forklift license? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA................Gimmee a fockin' break!!! I bet you were damn good moving around those concrete products since you're a real mortar forker........... All Hail THE GREAT WAVYDOODLYSQUAT....Knower of all things and master of the world because he can drive a forklift" (Spaw)...When you've finished!, if a production manager's fork-lift driver is not available, it IS good to be able to drive one, and I don't regret my decision to get a licence, or answer that question, frankly, as usual - whatever the "Kudos" (IB) and Don. |
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: Phil Edwards Date: 21 Sep 08 - 09:40 AM I don't regret my decision to get a licence, or answer that question, frankly, as usual The question is whether you regret bragging about your 'technical certificates', e.g. IB: With respect, WAV - you know fuck all. WAV: (And, "with respect", IB, I have 4 technical certificates and a BA in humanities.) (And with respect, WAV, I've got a Ph.D*... and I agree with IB.) *Although I have to admit that I can't drive a forklift. |
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: catspaw49 Date: 21 Sep 08 - 09:45 AM Nothing wrong at all with operating a forklift. Its the way you represent yourself that's the problem! And also your racist, bigoted, chauvinistic bullshit opinions............. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: mandotim Date: 21 Sep 08 - 09:51 AM That's it; the final proof of the totally delusional state of your mind WAV; ' I don't regret my decision to get a licence, or answer that question, frankly, as usual - whatever the "Kudos" (IB) and Don.' I've been waiting patiently for answers to a number of very straightforward questions, WAV, and I've reminded you several times on this and other threads. The principal objection that many people have to you on this forum (apart from the extremism, racism, sexism and cultural bigotry) is that you constantly seek to evade answering stions when they challenge your unsupported assertions. So; if your practice has now changed to one of frank answers; here are my questions again; 1. With respect, WAV, you haven't defined English Folk at all; you just state that you 'sing' it. You assert that it is something that originates in England, and imply that it has some kind of history/heritage. I've asked you before to state clearly what this means, and also to quantify how much heritage is needed before something becomes part of your so-called 'own good culture'. So again; how many years is it before something originated and practised in England becomes 'English' and therefore part of the culture? Also again; what percentage of the population need to do something before it becomes part of the culture of the nation? If you can't answer these points directly, then your whole argument falls due to your inability to define the central concept of 'own good culture'. I look forward to a reply that doesn't refer to your websites; once again, I've read all of the xenophobic drivel contained there, and it categorically does not address these central questions. Your answer? 2.I've used your arguments here, WAV; mine would be different, and much closer to Guest Joe, above. Culture and nationality are not wholly interdependent, as any rational person knows; if this was the case, what would people with dual nationality be, culturally? No-one is born as a cultural being (when did you last see a new-born baby who could Morris dance or play the Cittern?), therefore place of birth has no bearing on what culture you are eventually socialised into, other than as an accident of geography. An example would be Colin Cowdrey, the famous English cricketer (later Baron Cowdrey of Tonbridge); a more 'English' man you would never meet; but he wasn't born in England, but in Ootacamund,India. He was educated in England, his parents were English and he lived all but a small period of his life in England. Would you argue that his own culture was Indian? 3.With respect to my second question, I didn't say that the Williams sisters would beat you at tennis; I said they were stronger than you; your argument seems to be that no women are strong enough to play tennis without too much strain on the racquet arm; by that logic, you are therefore not strong enough to play tennis, as you are not as strong as a specific woman. The usual argument about logical fallacy does not hold here, as you failed to distinguish between the general and the specific when referring to women playing tennis. You still haven't produced any evidence to support this assertion, merely listed some injuries suffered by both men and women from playing tennis. The salient point here is whether there is a difference in seriousness or frequency of strain injuries in tennis according to gender, and this has not been demonstrated by you. Can you point me to a randomised, controlled trial (peer reviewed of course)where this has been shown to be the case? 4.WAV, in the second rubber of the Davis Cup, did you notice that the player who won was a Scot, playing what you deem to be an English game? Not part of his 'own good culture at all, was it? Did you cheer when he won, and if so, why? 5. You say you're not the English Ghandi at this stage; does that mean you see yourself as the English Ghandi at some point in the future? Which of Ghandi's achievements do you see yourself emulating eventually? I'm interested, I'd like to know the extent of your delusional state. 6. Re; Earthy English accent (above); which particular accent were you trying to imitate? Still sounds like Strine to me.I know of no regional accent or dialect in England called 'Earthy'. Re; Tennis. Why do you hold up tennis as a part of English culture? as with pottage, most scholars of the game conclude that tennis was originally a French invention that spread to England via monasteries and the nobility between the 13th and 15th centuries. Tennis has generally been regarded as the preserve of the privileged classes through the ages, rather than a commonly practised part of the overall culture of England. This raises two points about your arguments; 1. If you are convinced that this imported game is now a part of English culture, then we can conclude that your answer to my question above will be (as a minimum) that cultural practices need to be older than 600 to 800 years before being assimilated. Is this so? What percentage of the population play tennis? Most authorities conclude that it is between 1 and 3%, so by your arguments again only 3% of the population need to practise a cultural artefact before you will accept it as part of the overall culture of the nation. True? 2. If your arguments about each nation practising its own culture and 'appreciating' but not practising cultures from elsewhere are followed through to their logical conclusion, then your identification of tennis as English would preclude other nations from playing (by your 'rules'). Extrapolate this to other sports with varying points of origin, and you would destroy the whole framework of international sport. Australians would not play cricket, nor would Indians, Pakistanis, Sri Lankans or West Indians. The Davis Cup would reside permanently at Wimbledon, as there would be no-one to play. Andy Murray should cease and desist from playing tennis, and take up shinty instead. English people would not play golf, as this is part of the Scots 'own good culture'. England would win the World Cup in Association Football and Rugby Union every four years without playing a single game. Only the Greeks would be allowed to enter the Olympic Games. Bear in mind I have only used your logic here WAV; do you still think that cultural segregation into nation states is a good idea? If your policy of complete evasion has really changed, frank answers would be very welcome. Tim |
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: GUEST,Volgadon Date: 21 Sep 08 - 09:51 AM WAV, nothing wrong with a forklift licence, a good profession, but how much experience have you had, that's what really counts. |
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 21 Sep 08 - 02:09 PM "And with respect, WAV, I've got a Ph.D*... and I agree with IB.) *Although I have to admit that I can't drive a forklift."...but you could be a poet who doesn't know it, Doctor Pip. Volgadon: in manufacuring I've gone from materials handler/operator to production/works manager, in both temporary and permanent posts, that add up to several varied years experience. Tim - I'll get back to all that after the Antiques Roadshow, handwashing my clothes, the second episode of "Tess of the D'urbervilles" (there's a thread on this, by the way), etc. |
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: GUEST,Volgadon Date: 21 Sep 08 - 02:22 PM Experience as a forklift driver? |
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: Don Firth Date: 21 Sep 08 - 03:03 PM Technical certificates. Okay now, off the top of the head: I have a Washington State Vehicle Operator's License (driver's license), a Federal Communications Commission First Class Radiotelephone Operator's license, and a Washington State Residential Weatherization Inspector's license. In addition, I have a membership in the Communications Workers of America and a membership in the American Federation of Radio and Television Artists. Two years in English Literature at the University of Washington, three years in Music also at the U. of W., and two years in Music at the Cornish School of the Arts in Seattle. I do not have a Poetic License (I'm not sure how one applies for one), but that doesn't stop me from acting as if I had one. I don't know of any institution that offers a Prose License, so I practice writing prose without qualms. I'm quite sure I left out many awards and certificates (and I haven't even mentioned trophies and medals for prowess in fencing [swordsmanship]). I don't think that any of this qualifies me to pontificate on how the world should be run. But there, too, that doesn't stop me from doing so. So—let the blithering continue unabated! Don Firth P. S. I do not have a certificate or license to operate a folklift, but when I was working as a Production Illustrator at the Boeing Airplane Company (yeah, I have a certificate as a draftsman and technical illustrator), whenever I went out into the shop or assembly line, I had to step lively to keep from getting run over or mashed against a wall by forklift operators who were either blind or had a total disregard for property damage and human life. |
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: Don Firth Date: 21 Sep 08 - 03:16 PM Operating a forklift is adventurous work. CLICKY #1. No, that's not really a joke. CLICKY #2. OOPS!! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: s&r Date: 21 Sep 08 - 05:44 PM Just Googled fork lift truck courses "5 Day Novice Course: The 5 day course is designed for candidates with little or no previous experience of operating a forklift truck. 3 Day Novice Course: The 3 day course is designed for an operator with some experience but who has no formal certification of training by a registered instructor. Refresher Training: 1 day refresher training; the HSE recommend this every 3 years." Not exactly rocket science.. Stu |
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Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers' From: s&r Date: 21 Sep 08 - 05:48 PM Just by the way - on the Antiques roadshow there was a very nice old banjo, smooth arm, made in Newcastle upon Tyne about a hundred years ago Stu |
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