BS: Looking at the positives - a different take

Subject: BS: Looking at the positives - a different t
From: katlaughing
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 12:50 PM

For a thoughtful, reasoned take on Obama and the "Palin effect" please see what Deepak Chopra and family have written in their blog HERE. Here's a bit of it, but please do not judge it just from this. The first part explains what he means by "shadow:"

People who were shocked and dismayed by the Palin effect generally don't know how to handle shadow energies. Here are a few salient points:

1. Don't panic -- The shadow is built into your psyche, and when it brings fear, hostility, and resentment to the surface, those feelings want to get out. They cause disruption, but your panic only makes them stick around longer.
2. Try not to be overwhelmed -- Eruptions from the shadow are transitory. If you don't encourage them, these energies dissipate naturally. If you are overwhelmed, however, the net result is exhaustion and loss of energy.
3. Remind yourself who you really are -- You are much more than your shadow, because your aspirations, hopes, and dreams keep advancing despite the shadow's apparent power. Pay the least attention to these disruptions as you need to calm down and no more.
4. Keep a clear focus -- The shadow creates disorder and runaway emotions. If you focus on your purpose and remain rational, you will anchor yourself to a more stable reality.
5. Don't fight fire with fire -- If you sink to the level of dark energies, you will be fighting on their terms, and the likelihood is that you will lose.

Subject: RE: BS: Looking at the positives - a different take
From: CarolC
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 01:03 PM

I've been thinking the same thing he has about how this election relates to consciousness. My thought has been that people are waking up, and that whoever gets elected will be determined by how many of them have done so by election day (not that I think Obama necessarily represents an awakened state, but he's definitely a step in the right direction). I've also been thinking that according to at least one interpretation of the Mayan calendar, this is a year of dark energy and next year will be a year of light energy. The number 9 is supposed to be the number of completion, so maybe this month (the ninth month) is when we bring out a lot of that dark energy and focus on it so we can clear it out.

(Note to those who are into ridiculing discussions like this one... I don't expect anyone to agree with me, and no one else should expect me to agree with them, either.)

Subject: RE: BS: Looking at the positives - a different take
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 01:06 PM

Chopra, as usual, takes the wise and constructive path. Good comments on his part.

Subject: RE: BS: Looking at the positives - a different take
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 01:15 PM

"try not to be overwhelmed or angry..."

good advice if you were thinking of becoming a lemming and run over a cliff, but you are people who have been horribly wronged and you need to come to grips with a deserved anger and do the right thing.

The right thing is to move beyond denial, bargaining, depression and acceptance. Your anger and common sense will guide you with purpose and determination to be as big as you truly are.

Bigger than those who say they are too big to fail, Bigger than the "big boys" who snigger at your loss.

Big enough to deny these criminals and their ideology fraudulently tied to religion, from ever assualting you and those you love, in your lifetime.


If the corporate fascist lobby money machine has been good to you and you wish to preserve your cut of the take, at least the outcome of your involvment is becoming visible to everyone around you, even if you were to prefer to remain blind to your crimes.

Subject: RE: BS: Looking at the positives - a different take
From: CarolC
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 01:26 PM

But I think that what happens is that as people wake up, the scales fall from their eyes and they simply see a new way of doing things, and then they start doing things the new way.

I see a lot of that sort of thing happening.

We've been told that the reason capitalism is the best of all of the economic systems is because of incentive. The incentive of having some control over one's destiny and fortunes is what increases their productivity and the quality of their work. But we can see, when we look at the quality of the work coming out of Microsoft, for instance, as compared to the quality of the work that people are doing on freeware, the incentive that is provided by the prospect of material gain is not nearly as strong as the incentive that is provided when people are motivated by personal satisfaction in the work they're doing.

I think this will continue to increase and will, ultimately, revolutionize how our economic system is set up, and as this happens, people will simply discard what doesn't work any longer, and embrace what does work.

Subject: RE: BS: Looking at the positives - a different take
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 01:39 PM

"If you sink to the level of dark energies, you will be fighting on their terms, and the likelihood is that you will lose. "

The dark energies we must encounter is tremedous wealth controlling what you see and hear, hypnotizing most people to a belief 180 degrees from the truth and shouting down the rest.

Speak truth to monied power and they need only to cover their ears or remove your voice.

You are but a herd to be kept complacent and managed by power mongers. Sometines you need to stampede to save your own lives.

The voice of quiet calm has its place but never never should it cover up the call to necessary action. Even if that action is merely non compliance or peaceful MLK demonstartion.

Subject: RE: BS: Looking at the positives - a different take
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 01:46 PM

Carol, you make it sound like a smooth transition. Not effertless but smooth.

What I see ahead are hungry mean streets that may not want to wait for homes to be returned, the meal delayed a week or health care denied that results in death.

I know I am spoiling the 'different take' spirit of the thread but using anger wisely and awakening the human spirit with all the power it holds can accomplish great change.

I think most right wingers will remain in denial if they are allowed.
They feel no respondibility for what has happened. They may not even yet realize what has happened.

Subject: RE: BS: Looking at the positives - a different take
From: CarolC
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 01:53 PM

No, I don't think it happens smoothly. This is because everyone's timing is different, and some people will be holding on to the old ways of doing things while others have already made the shift. But I don't think it's outer effort that makes the change. I think it happens naturally on an inner level, although I think that for a lot of people it's prompted by experiencing outer turmoil. So the outer turmoil, while unpleasant for a lot of people, is probably necessary to move the ones who are stuck.

Subject: RE: BS: Looking at the positives - a different take
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 01:57 PM

GEEzuz Carol, you are sounding like a damn good politician again.

Subject: RE: BS: Looking at the positives - a different take
From: katlaughing
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 02:05 PM

Donuel, I understand about the constructive use of anger and I agree, to some extent, that people need to WAKE UP (as was said at the DNC) and get angry in order to bring about change, but once they get angry they need to be very wise about how they use that power.

Subject: RE: BS: Looking at the positives - a different tak
From: Leadbelly
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 02:39 PM

I don't think, that the majority of US-american people will wake up. At least 50% and above will go on "sleeping".
Don't know why. Maybe this is due to a relatively low level of education, compared to european countries. And the deep belief that they live in god's own country.
My prognosis: McCain and his incompetent vice Palin will win the next election.
"When will they ever learn..."

Subject: RE: BS: Looking at the positives - a different take
From: Amos
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 04:01 PM

I sincerely believe you are mistaken in your prognosis, and I deeply hope you are. For McCain to bamboozle the American electorate and wiggle his way into the Oval Office would probably have really disastrous consequences for the nation.

I'd much prefer to see the polls revealed as hysterically inaccurate, and a landslide appear on Obama's behalf.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Looking at the positives - a different take
From: katlaughing
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 04:06 PM

Hmmm...seems I may have chosen the wrong name for this thread. And, I did so want it to be a different take on things (political, esp.) than the usual. I think Mudcatters have no self-control.

Subject: RE: BS: Looking at the positives - a different tak
From: Janie
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 11:11 PM

What LH said....

Thanks, Kat, for sharing this.

Janie

Subject: RE: BS: Looking at the positives - a different take
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 11:41 PM

I listened to Rove before the VP selection and he was talking about the ANGRY democrat party and angry democrat. Later he spoke of possible VP's and said that Palin was a soft Republican woman.

His strategy is to paint democrats as being MAD MAD MAD I tell you and paint Sarah as a soft Repupublican woman who need our help and protection against the angry mob of liberals.

THis is why we see all the "how dare you ask me that" and "that is over the line" and "sexist!" rhetoric.

A month of total lies and democrates aremad and Karl is there to remind us to stop publicly raping and assualting the character of this soft Republican woman of great talent and reform.

Subject: RE: BS: Looking at the positives - a different take
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 11:44 PM

Hmmm, a postive take, let me see.

I do not believe in spying on people so I will not look at all of Sarah Palin's missing personal e-mails that have recently been hacked and posted.

I need not do as Cheney would.

Subject: RE: BS: Looking at the positives - a different tak
From: Amos
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 11:49 PM

I actually have a lot of hope in the awakening and enthusiasm that has surrounded the campaign in some areas so far.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Looking at the positives - a different take
From: Peace
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 11:55 PM

" . . . the incentive that is provided by the prospect of material gain is not nearly as strong as the incentive that is provided when people are motivated by personal satisfaction in the work they're doing."

Most studies to do with the work place show that money is a much weaker incentive than responsibility, respect, decision-making authority.

Subject: RE: BS: Looking at the positives - a different tak
From: maeve
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 11:58 PM

Yes, Peace. That's why we work at home on our farm.

Subject: RE: BS: Looking at the positives - a different tak
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 12:06 AM

"would probably have really disastrous consequences for the nation."

You are privileged to be living in the time of the fall of The 2nd Roman Empire. Take notes for your best selling book now.

Subject: RE: BS: Looking at the positives - a different take
From: katlaughing
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 12:32 AM

Thanks, Janie.

Subject: RE: BS: Looking at the positives - a different take
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 02:21 AM

Repeat after me: "Ommmmmmm".

See, you are really flying.

Subject: RE: BS: Looking at the positives - a different take
From: katlaughing
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 10:56 AM

Oh, feck off, Richard!:-)