BS: VP Debate Entertainment

Subject: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: dwditty
Date: 02 Oct 08 - 12:28 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: dwditty
Date: 02 Oct 08 - 12:30 PM

This one works:

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Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: Charley Noble
Date: 02 Oct 08 - 02:47 PM

What's wrong with just drinking?

I suppose I could try multi-tasking.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: katlaughing
Date: 02 Oct 08 - 03:05 PM

LOL...that would maybe make it a tad tolerable. Thanks!

Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Oct 08 - 03:10 PM

drink one teaspoon of vodka/or beverage of your choice,

each time Sarah says 'like'.

One tablespoon everytime she says 'ya know'.

One pint everytime she says 'Constitutional'.

One gallon evertime she says 'civil rights'.

Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Oct 08 - 08:24 PM

Mrs. Palin, what are the most civil rights that need to be restored after the last 8 years of the Bush Cheney Administration?

Her answer to this question is described as "the front fell off"

Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: Leadfingers
Date: 02 Oct 08 - 10:02 PM

Can ANYONE define 'NUCULAR' ?

Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Oct 08 - 10:20 PM

I have heard her say that enough times that clearly she can't say it either.

"Say it ain't so, Joe!" she pulled off. She's trying to come from Main Street of Lake Woebegone with most of her gosh and golly's.

There isn't a lot of substance. She got the hockey mom in the first paragraph out of her mouth.

She's clearly aiming at the lowest common denominator. Clever strategy on the McCain team's part.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Oct 08 - 10:27 PM

Well, I gotta admit it - I dozed off....

I thought Biden did well. I thought Palin's "folksiness" was a put-on. By gosh, and God bless her. In Palin's defense, I have to say that my liberal Democrat friend from Wasilla, sounds just like Sarah Palin. So, maybe it isn't a put-on.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: Ebbie
Date: 02 Oct 08 - 10:49 PM

*grin* Joe, a friend of mine once put down Palin with the comment: Oh, she's so Wasilla.

Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 02 Oct 08 - 11:13 PM

"Oh my golly, you Washington folks and yer high-falutin double-talk!" She did alright, I think, considering the fact that I may be far more qualified for the job.

Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Oct 08 - 11:17 PM

Any of us is more qualified for the job. Except Chongo, but don't tell LH.

Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: Riginslinger
Date: 02 Oct 08 - 11:18 PM

It's over. McCain just won!

Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 02 Oct 08 - 11:24 PM

When you wish upon a star, makes no difference who you are....

Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: olddude
Date: 02 Oct 08 - 11:24 PM

Like golly gee wizz, pardon me if I puke now

Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: catspaw49
Date: 02 Oct 08 - 11:26 PM

Which is of course the real problem! If some dumbass briarhopper like Leej is more qualified then we're in a shitload of trouble.........and we are in a shitload of trouble if that pair is elected.

Sadly there are many here in the great unwashed midwest who will happily vote for McCain/Palin. Around here the signage is running about 5 to 1 for them. I know Obama is better in the cities but there is a lot of rural even the most populous and industrial midwestern states like Ohio. Local reports after the debate tonight were not encouraging in this part of the couuntry.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: TIA
Date: 02 Oct 08 - 11:29 PM

People are so afraid of an "elitist", they actually *want* a nincompoop as national leader.

Bet they don't feel the same way about the pilot of the plane they might be flying in.

Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: quokka
Date: 02 Oct 08 - 11:32 PM

I don't understand why she wasn't pulled up for not answering the question. She was asked about something completely unrelated to energy, and she answered by repeating what she had already said in an earlier answer, all about energy. Later on when asked what her Achilles' heel was, she stated what she believed are her good points!
At least Biden answered the question. Maybe she doesn't know what Achilles' heel means.

Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 02 Oct 08 - 11:35 PM

Didn't she, at the very end of that list of positives, say something to the effect that "so, no, I don't ever change."

I think she is more phoney than she is stupid.

Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: TRUBRIT
Date: 02 Oct 08 - 11:39 PM

I hate to say it -- I truly hate to say it -- but I think she did far better than I could ever have expected.......; I suspect McCain's camp are celebratin'.........!

Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: Barry Finn
Date: 02 Oct 08 - 11:39 PM

Well she just pushed the East Coast states into the sea. She does have away with the US or them, she'll be more of a Bush than George ever was & a better drinking buddy too. Altough she'll talk all night she won't end up saying much.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 02 Oct 08 - 11:42 PM

A Republican pundit described the debate as a "nothingburger". I concur. If you started off liking Palin, she probably won; if you didn't, she lost. Don't suspect it changed anybody's mind.

Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: Big Mick
Date: 02 Oct 08 - 11:43 PM

She made no splash. That is it for McCain. Today he abandoned Michigan as a lost cause. He is in trouble in Ohio and Florida. His VP candidate came off as a lightweight, with high marks for folksiness, but low marks for substance. In the end result, she squandered whatever substance she had and became an appendage.

I stick by my prediction. Big splash, anchor around his neck by the end.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Oct 08 - 11:47 PM

Now I'm watching the "instant" replay. I got a kick out of Pailin saying "Now there you go, Joe..." about Biden and Obama claiming that McCain and Bush are in the same party.

I have to say the Republicans own that "now there you go" phrase, ever since Reagan used it in a debate. And Palin took delight in using that phrase. Good for her.

But somebody ought to tell Palin that she and McCain are the heirs of the shameful Bush-Cheney legacy, whether they like it or not. If McCain wanted it otherwise, he needed to say it during his convention speech.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Oct 08 - 11:49 PM

She did make a big announcemnt regarding the constitutional expansion of the powers of the Vice Presidency.

I don't know what she means but she said it, so she will be asked about what these powers are and where in the Constituion or secret ammendments we all somehow missed, that this is written!

Does the Vice President now belong to all three branchs of goverment?
Cheney clames he belongs to two branchs of government already.

Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 02 Oct 08 - 11:51 PM

I might point out to my esteemed colleague from Ohio that one of our greatest presidents was also a "dumbass briarhopper". And I am not talkin about Zachary Taylor neither. So support me and I will make sure that possum becomes the nation's Thanksgiving fare and Uncle Pen its National Anthem. And Ale Eight One the National Beverage.

Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 12:41 AM

What are you talkin' about? So you had that Lincoln guy.......big deal. Ohio is known as the Mother of Presidents.

I mean we supplied Rutherford B. Hayes and his accomplishments were..........uh......er,well.........they were...........well, some. Yeah, that's it....He had some. Well, one or two anyway..........But what about Grant. Great general and as the Prez he.................uh............hmmmmm......wound up penniless? But what of it? Say, we had TWO Harrisons! Betcha nobody else had two Harrisons. But we had Garfield......only for 199 days cause he got shot but it was a great 199 days. Well at least it was okay....no legislation or anything but he didn't redo the White House and cost everyone a wasted amount of money. But and its a big butt, we had Taft.   Helluva' man.......lot of man......matter of fact a huge man! So the fat fuck got stuck in a bathtub.........so what? And let's not forget Warren G. Harding.........................................wait....Let's DO forget Warren G. Harding.....................So maybe they all weren't Millard Fillmore but we sent 8 of them to DC which got them ta' hell out of the state for awhile......................


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 12:53 AM

You think its something in the water? Does Palin have any Ohio ancestors? That could explain some things.

Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: robomatic
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 01:01 AM

Palin did VERY well, making a full recovery from her Katie Couric sit down(s)

BUT- Biden performed very well and stayed on message, didn't get stuck on the tar baby, and didn't overrun his mouth.

A good debate, a presentation of alternatives, and I think no big shift in population, just a lack of more shift away from McCain.

BUT BUT BUT

Don't for a moment think that Alaskans talk the way Sarah Palin does. She's got some kind of Minnesota thing going there, I think she must listen to Prairie Home Companion.

Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: DougR
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 01:26 AM

Gov. Palin ate Joe Biden's lunch. You folks have a queasy feeling in your stomach? Same feeling you had in 2000? 2004? I'm not surprised.

Your problem? There are more Conservative Americans than there are Liberal ones. From what I have read recently, our friendly Liberal folks in the British Isles may have the same problem as you do.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 01:38 AM

If there are so many Conservative Americans they should form a political party and run some candidates.

Unless you are referring to the ignorant hayseeds who like getting "taken," shall we say, by the spendthrift, nation-building Republican party with all of its thieves.

Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: John O'L
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 04:29 AM

It seems to be generally agreed in the press that she narrowly won the debate because she didn't make any horrific gaffes. Since when does that win you a debate? At least Biden answered the questions. Perhaps that was his gaffe.

Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: irishenglish
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 07:17 AM

While Palin did better than I expected (If looking down at ones notes constantly while Biden was talking counts), she had no knockout. Neither did Biden which leaves us with a debate where very few people will have had THIS debate change their minds. I know they will try, but I don't see how the Republicans can say that Joe Biden lost somehow. They can complain about the policies, etc, but Biden did not lose, and in fact, finished very strong. His emotional moment was not calculated for sympathy, it was very clearly honest emotion, even 30 years after such a tragedy. Palin on the other hand, constantly changed the subject, most often bringing it back around to energy, even if the topic had nothing to do with it. Biden I think missed one possible moment. Palin kept harping on, you Washington insiders, thats not how I would do it, I'm not an insider, etc, etc. What Palin fails to understand is, if she did become VP, she becomes Washington, just like the rest of them. You may jump from Alaska to Washington, but in so doing, you join the crowd. McCain is no maverick in that sense either-he knows the Washington game. I thought Biden could have adapted that more cleverly than I just did as an attack on her.

Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 07:21 AM

{{{{DRUDGE POLL}}}} WHO WON THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?...

BIDEN 30% 79,805
PALIN 69% 183,546
NEITHER 2% 4,484

Total Votes: 267,835



Only about 50 times the number of people involved than most pools...

Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: robomatic
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 07:21 AM

My second take:

Sarah did very well, especially after her recent televised interviews. Her folksiness to my mind was not a total put-on, but a bit more stressed than her normal manner in Alaska, and it brought me to the edge of cringe, but only briefly.

Biden was more cogent and did not make the mistake of condescending or disdaining his opponent.

I wish there had an opportunity to bring science issues to the fore, i.e. does Palin believe in Darwin or not, but I think the references to climate change brought some of this to the fore.

Bottom line, Sarah did her candidate no more harm, and herself a lot of good, and avoided the yokel image I was a bit afraid might get stamped over the Alaska brand.

Biden did himself and Obama a lot of good by successfully avoiding some of his own known weaknesses.

I think it made AMERICA look good by the high level of discourse on real issues.

It was mostly draw, but I'd give a slight edge to the Dems because Biden stayed on message regarding the economic mess the Reps have so contributed to.

Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: TIA
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 07:52 AM

"You folks have a queasy feeling in your stomach? Same feeling you had in 2000? 2004?"

If 2000 and 2004 don't make you queasy in 2008, you are an official brainwashed cult member. Look around...like what you see?

Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 08:01 AM

The results of two years of Democratic control of both houses of Congress?


The results of the actions of the last Democratic President, pushing sub-prime loans as a solution to home ownership? (1999 bill that Biden voted for)

Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 08:26 AM

Yes, very entertaining... It was apparent that the McCain team stuffed about 15 songs in her that she could sing forward or backward and then she tried to sing the most correct song she could think of to answer the questions... The songs were done well but she rarely sang the correct song for the question that was asked...

Biden was Biden at his best... No foot to mouth... No lack of discipline...

All in all, I don't see the debate as a deal changer for anyone... The true undecideds will wait for the the real debates between McCain and Obama...

Oh, from a personal viewpoint and as an Obama supporter, I have allready grown tired of Ms, Sarah's Roller Derbyish, cartoonish persona... It does not inspire any confidence in me that she has the right makings to be either a VP or a P...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 08:31 AM

Hey.....Beardedbrucie......So which way is it? The result of just two years of Dem controlled Congress or going waaay back to Clinton? Dumbya could never have had a thing to to do with it or the 6 previous years of Repub controlled Congress?????

You're so packed full of shit I expect to hear quite soon that you have exploded into a shitstorm the size of Hurricane Gustav. Take a reality enema and note the stupid ass war in Iraq among other miserable Bush decisions. Or if you must go the wayback route, have Mr. Peabody load you into the Wayback Machine and go visit the Reagan era where we first encountered the joys of deregulation and trickle-down economics. Those are the same ones Dumbya's Daddy among others referred to as "VooDoo Economics."

Clinton and the Dems my ass....................

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 08:54 AM

Spaw,

You seem to be the expert on shit.


I have always, throughout these threads, stated that the going into Iraq was the correct move, given what was known at the time, and that the execution was flawed. I have also stated that the main cause of the war was the vocal support given to Saddam by those who were insisting on "Peace at any price".


Both of my statements previously are valid- none of yours appear to be.

Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 08:55 AM

Excuse me- the last should have been addressed to "Spawsie"

Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 09:08 AM

Gee the Sarah Approach......Your response had nothing to do with the questions. For the record though, I thought Iraq was an stupid move.....period.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 09:15 AM

That seems to be your opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: robomatic
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 09:18 AM

My Third Take:

I think Biden made a neat little move when he brought out that Palin did not oppose same sex benefits as opposite sex benefits (which indeed is her practise in Alaska). That might have cost her a few points with the homophobes without gaining her any votes which are already going to Obama.

That was a neat bit of work that zipped right by. The more I think of it, the better Biden was.

Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: Ed T
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 09:37 AM

"I started out with nothing and still have most of it left". source unknown

"The importance of waking up is difficult to appreciate while asleep", source unknown

"It's too bad I'm not as wonderful a person I say I am, because the world could use a few more people like that". source unknown


"If at first you don't succeed, well, so much for skydiving". Victor
O'Reilly, Games of the Hangman

Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 09:39 AM

Update- in case you did not like the other set of numbers. In the last few minutes, the following results:


CNNQ Quick Vote   Who fared better in the vice presidential debate?
Sen. Joe Biden 67% 235946
Gov. Sarah Palin 28% 96974
Neither 5% 16826
Total Votes: 349746



{{{{DRUDGE POLL}}}} WHO WON THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?...
BIDEN 28% 95,915
PALIN 70% 236,493
NEITHER 2% 5,771
Total Votes: 338,179

Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: robomatic
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 09:54 AM

Last night local station KTUU (Anchorage) had a debate score set up running 52% FOR Palin, 48% Biden. Considering this is ALASKA, I was very surprised it was not higher.

Meanwhile, Another reaction to the debate:

Apparently there are a lot of folks who have ben suspicious or ignorant of Biden. I suspect his self control and ready intelligence strengthened his personal image and confidence in his ticket probably as much as Palin did for hers.

Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 09:56 AM

Just goes to show ya' that one of these two polls is extremely inaccurate... Porbably both...

As for Iraq??? Poll after poll has beardedbruce in a small minority...

B

Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 10:04 AM

"Poll after poll has beardedbruce in a small minority"


OK, that puts me in fine company-

A small minority of the US thought Truman was right about Blacks in the military.

A small minority of the Founding fathers thought slavery was morally wrong and should be stopped. It was not, and the Civil War resulted.

A small minority often is right, and the majority comes around to thinking that eventually.

Subject: RE: BS: VP Debate Entertainment
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 10:09 AM

Almost always, actually!