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BS: Religious Canvassers

Roughyed 09 Feb 09 - 08:20 AM
Will Fly 09 Feb 09 - 03:42 AM
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Mrrzy 08 Feb 09 - 03:16 PM
Stringsinger 08 Feb 09 - 02:59 PM
Will Fly 08 Feb 09 - 01:26 PM
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LilyFestre 08 Feb 09 - 08:38 AM
Sleepy Rosie 08 Feb 09 - 06:31 AM
Spleen Cringe 07 Feb 09 - 05:48 PM
Jack Blandiver 05 Nov 08 - 06:50 AM
GUEST,One who knows 04 Nov 08 - 04:32 PM
GUEST,Slag 03 Nov 08 - 06:25 PM
wysiwyg 03 Nov 08 - 01:49 PM
Acorn4 03 Nov 08 - 12:14 PM
GUEST,Bill D 03 Nov 08 - 11:10 AM
Cluin 03 Nov 08 - 10:08 AM
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Cluin 03 Nov 08 - 03:27 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: Roughyed
Date: 09 Feb 09 - 08:20 AM

I ended up in a conversation with some Jehovah's Witnesses a few years ago because I couldn't escape without being really rude so I asked them if they were vegetarian. They said they weren't so I suggested they look at Genesis 1.28. They came back with Noah who asked god for permission to kill an animal after the flood. I pointed out that this rather indicated that you needed direct permission to eat meat and hit them with Isiah. They countered with Leviticus and I pointed out that if you had to back up your view with Leviticus you had already lost and that in any case I had given them two quotes that you should be veggie and they had given me two that you didn't have to be so it didn't fill me with confidence in the book they all came from. A working knowledge of Tom Paine's Age of Reason is handy as well!


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: Will Fly
Date: 09 Feb 09 - 03:42 AM

LOL! EXcellent - I'm printing it as I write this...


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: robomatic
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 04:51 PM

Here's a pamphlet you can hand out to them


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: Mrrzy
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 03:16 PM

Oh, Stringsinger, you're missing all the fun of saying Sure, you can try to convert me, and I'll try to convert you, I'm an atheist! Then you get into some really interesting conversations and if you happen to get someone who's actually thinking, you can watch the other one take them away!


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: Stringsinger
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 02:59 PM

I tell them two things. 1. I know about their religion and 2. I'm not interested.

If they don't accept the former I explain that JW's don't salute the flag, don't allow their children to play with "outsiders" and have their own version of the bible.

They usually disappear.

With Mormons, the same thing pretty much. They don't allow this and that. They don't accept outsiders.

A little research on these "cults" (and that's what they are) helps.

Stringsinger


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: Will Fly
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 01:26 PM

Many years ago, one hot summmer's morning, I was up a ladder at the front of my house, shirt off, putting a coat of paint on the window frames. A man and a lady, dressed soberly in black, bags under their arms, walked up and stopped. I guessed what they were.

"Hallo", one said, "Do you live here?"

"No", I said, "I'm the painter and decorator."

"Oh - is anyone in?" asked the other.

"Sorry - no." I replied.

They muttered to one another and then one surprisingly piped up with, "Do you make a good living from this kind of work?"

"Well, yes, I do normally. But I'm doing this job for free - the lady of the house lets me sleep with her."

Silence. Off they went.


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: Mickey191
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 09:49 AM

My medium sized dog & I answered the door as I held her collar. The door was opened just enough to make eye contact & find out who the lone person was(The partner was curbside) After the intro I replied "I'm not interested." The lady rolled up the JW tract and threw it through the door saying "Let the dog read it!"

A CRABBY WITNESS! Is this a first?

My cousin had a JW couple come to her door & they turned away after she said she was not interested. She went back to the dishes she was doing & spied the couple & 2 others eating sandwiches at her picnic table.   THAT'S NERVE!


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: LilyFestre
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 08:38 AM

I was home this week working around the house. I was puttering with something, turned around and there were 2 men dressed in long black coats standing outside my door (big window in the door) and they were just standing there watching me. They hadn't knocked. It was almost creepy. Meanwhile, my 120 pound dog was laying in front of the door. She had her head up and knew something was going on. As I walked to the door, she sat up, ears up. One of the men started tapping on the door and she stood up. I took hold of her collar, opened the door slightly, leaving the storm door closed. My dog was quiet but very alert, I could feel the tension in her body. So...the door was open and still, these two men in long black winter coats and hats stood there....didn't say a word. So I said, "Can I help you?"   I wasn't sure what they wanted and their agenda was not clear until they started to speak. I politely told them that I attended a church I liked thinking they would say okay and go away. Wrong. "I know you THINK you may go to a God loving church but.............." Meanwhile, my dog is now growling a low rumble. The longer the man spoke, the more she growled. I simply stopped him by saying, "I'm really not interested." and I closed the door. I think they should have left right away, I think that they are idiots to stand in front of a huge dog who clearly does not appreciate their presence, an obvious unwelcome sign.   I wonder how long they were there. The watching thing creeped me out the most.


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 06:31 AM

Lordy, I never knew all that crazy stuff about the Book of Mormon!
South Park rocks.


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 07 Feb 09 - 05:48 PM

Can't believe I missed this thread first time round... Brother Beard, tell us more of this Neo-Gnostic Marxist-Jesuist Humanism you speak of...

I always find "I'm not religious, but let me get my boyfriend" works wonders...


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 05 Nov 08 - 06:50 AM

After a bit of searching I found the South Park episode 712 All About Mormons Here - Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb...


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: GUEST,One who knows
Date: 04 Nov 08 - 04:32 PM

Some funny stuff here, found it by accident.
1. Mormons don't drink tea, coffee or cola , at least the 2 lads I invited in from a blinding snowstorm didn't. I asked them about neutrality in war cos they don't conscienciously object. How they could kill other people who just might be mormon, they said that God would make the bullet.....miss!
2. Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in the common consensus of " hell " i.e. firey lake of torment. They say that hell is translated from new testament ( Greek scriptures )word of Hades, whilst old testament Hebrew word is " sheol ", both being the " common grave of mankind ". That God's eternal damnation is simply eternal death, nothingnes, which from a living standpoint is an unbearable thought.
3. They believe that armageddon will be God's judgement exactly as in Noah's day and survivors will live forever on earth, governed by Christ as king, and 144,000 co-rulers ' bought from the earth ' by dying faithfully, once sinners but cleansed by their actions in faith of the value of his sacrificial blood.
4. All those who died throughout history without knowledge of God's requirements will be resurrected to judgement i.e. their actions after being given a thorough education by the new heavenly kingdom government for a 1,000 years, in perfect peace and eternal life.
5. They don't ask for or expect any money from people for their literature. All of the cost of printing etc. is from their voluntary contributions, not perfunctory percentages of wages as with mormons.

Yes I've read many of their books and find them not so extremist as zealous, sincerely interested in us lot. They refer to a bit in the bible that says...." This good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the earth as a witness to all the nations, then the end will come." They're not that complicated really, and they do not come back if you tell them not to, unless they didn't pass it on to their buddies. Hope you guys found this helpful.


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: GUEST,Slag
Date: 03 Nov 08 - 06:25 PM

bfdk, what does the "k" stand for?

I am a philatelist AND a numismatist! I go either way and both! That alone ought to be enough to scare off porch step prophets.


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: wysiwyg
Date: 03 Nov 08 - 01:49 PM

I haven't seen any of them for a couple of years now...I think maybe my house # is on a "hopeless" list.

Bill, how do you REALLY know I'm not in deep cover? :~) A SLEEPER MAYBE?

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: Acorn4
Date: 03 Nov 08 - 12:14 PM

As we all know, philately will get you nowhere!


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: GUEST,Bill D
Date: 03 Nov 08 - 11:10 AM

"A fellatelist? What kind of school did you go to?"

Obviously, a school which taught reading & spelling....


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: Cluin
Date: 03 Nov 08 - 10:08 AM

Yeah, yeah, right.... for sure, man...

*backing away slowly*


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 03 Nov 08 - 05:02 AM

My wife pointed out that squirting them with tomato sauce as soon as they open their mealy-mouths might count as assault. Ah well, bang goes that idea then! Strange how Mormons and JWs hawking their evil odious insane bullshit door-to-door doesn't count as assault though. This is terminal mind-fuck delivered by brainwashed cultists convinced they are dealing in absolute truth; it is a psychological offence right where people should be at their safest. Let them into my home and be nice to them? I'd have the bastarding scumbags criminalised at the very least; such people ought to be defined as mentally-ill, a danger to both themselves and society, and treated accordingly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: Cluin
Date: 03 Nov 08 - 03:27 AM

A fellatelist? What kind of school did you go to?


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: bfdk
Date: 02 Nov 08 - 07:10 PM

We don't get them here, we've got door phones these days.

An old teacher of mine once told us school kids that she'd open the door, smile politely and say to whoever was out there 'Thanks but no thanks, you see, I'm a philatelist'.

She was, too ;-)

She claimed said approach worked wonderfully.

Bente


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: Cluin
Date: 02 Nov 08 - 04:15 PM

"I see it uses Times New Roman, the Devil's font!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: Cluin
Date: 02 Nov 08 - 04:11 PM

Because they are usually nice people, I talk to the J.W.s till they attempt to hand me a Watchtower.

"Oh no! Graven images! Away with you!"

*SLAM*


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: Rasener
Date: 02 Nov 08 - 02:37 PM

If its 2 women who knock the door

Say "Ah good evening, are you the 2 hookers I booked. Do come in, I have the bedroom ready"

If they come in, you have it made. They can recite the bible whilst you have your wicked way. :-)

Seriously, I had a couple of nice women knock the door the other day. Befor they could say anything, I said "Nobody in this house is religious, so you are wasting your time"
They apologised for disturbing me and left.


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: Bill D
Date: 02 Nov 08 - 12:38 PM

"...simply insist that it's in scripture so it must be true."

I had 2 JWs once debate with me and read me bible verses to support their points. When I explained that I didn't accept the origin or authority OF the bible, they said "we'll be beck"...so they went away and actually DID come back a couple days later with a 'more experienced' elder to clarify matters. He read me DIFFERENT bible verses to support the first bible verses.. I don't think even he comprehended MY point about not accepting the source of his argument as infallible.

I haven't seen any of them for a couple of years now...I think maybe my house # is on a "hopeless" list.


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Nov 08 - 11:08 AM

Love it, Gervase. Particular the imaganary friend bit and Britt's body double gyrating on his shoulders:-D

Glad I didn't have a mouthful of tea!

Cheers

DeG


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: Gervase
Date: 02 Nov 08 - 10:25 AM

I think it's that religions regard themselves as, er sacrosanct, and therefore it's infra dig to criticise them.
I had a couple of JWs in the kitchen for nearly three hours once, debating the niceties of the various biblical translations. They were a pleasant enough couple, if a little ill-informed and rather dim, but I regarded it as my civic duty to save them from bothering the neighbours. i think I even had one of them doubting his faith, but his oppo was determined to keep him strong.
What added a rather surreal touch to it was that my daughter was watching The Wicker Man on video in the adjoining room, so I had Britt Eckland's body-double gyrating in the buff over their shoulders at one point.
On the whole, however, I do wish people wouldn't feel compelled to knock on doors to tell people about their imaginary friends. The brighter ones can provide some diversion, but the dimmer ones (the majority, in my experience), just recite stuff they've learned by rote and, in extremis, simply insist that it's in scripture so it must be true. Life's too short to be abusive to them, however. They're more to be pitied than scorned (to use a nice biblical phrase).


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 02 Nov 08 - 05:49 AM

Quite a thread. I'm heartened that my original approach was the correct one, though disheartened that when I went onto YouTube to search for the South Park episode on Mormonism the episode, is, for whatever reason, unsearchable and the YouTube search engine defaults to Mormon films.

What gives in the land of the free?


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: theleveller
Date: 31 Oct 08 - 07:55 AM

"What network do you belong to that gives aid without any catches and no looking for recognition or pats on the back."

The human race - and one that doesn't look for reward in the next life. 'Without any catches', my arse!


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 31 Oct 08 - 05:38 AM

fredbert - when your leaders tell the 'troops' to stop pestering other people and when they stop desecrating other peoples memories, then you can start to tell us how good you are. Until then remember the widows mite and what Jesus had to say about people who proclaim loudly how much good they are doing. I would rather keep any good works I do to myself thank you.

Now go back to your cult and stop bothering us. Is that a simple enough 'no' for you?

Cheers

Dave


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: GUEST,fredbert
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 10:07 PM

It makes them worse if they can't enjoy it on their own and keep it to themselves.

Joe Smith was a coniving little confidence trickster who never made as much money as L Ron Hubbard...

remedy for the Mormons is telling them you will join when there is two black Africans a`calling, it works.

Would a simple no not suffice, Mormons were the first into New Orleans ask any one they will tell you, gave help and provisions with no preaching. They were there before the Gov was.

They are at any place in the world were help is needed, they advise the US Gov on such matters and have a network that is second to none with regards to distributing aid, they do not bum and blow about it so it is no surprise many are ignorant of the facts.

How do people think this is paid for, the money that is raised by the Church is from its own people no charity drives or fund raising is allowed. I'd say the Hubbard fellow is not as rich in any terms.

Ard get ready to join follow this link http://www.angelfire.com/mo2/blackmormon/000H14.html

With regards to the issue of black members the people who kicked off the most about it wer white, the Black/coloured members accepted the situation. It is what religion is about believing in something.

Next time you knock the Mormons ask yourself how many lives you have saved today. What network do you belong to that gives aid without any catches and no looking for recognition or pats on the back.

Why a simple no thanks is beyond so-called humanists.

fredbert News At Ten unashamed bad Mormon from front living room.


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 08:18 PM

JWs are dead easy to get rid off - tell tem you will swap the Watchtower for your own religious newspaper (Keep one handy by the door, The Catholic Herald is pretty good.) They are not allowed to touch anyone elses publications and will run a mile rather than accept one. Makes you wonder how secure their founder was if he would not let his followers read anything but his words.

Mormons accept that other people can have their own views but will get quite upset if you suggest that Joe Smith was a coniving little confidence trickster who never made as much money as L Ron Hubbard...

:D


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: ard mhacha
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 02:24 PM

I remember two JW`s calling coming to my door and handing over their Mag The Watchtower, this was a few weeks before the GranD National, I turned over a few pages and asked them why there was no tips for this years race, telling them that their tipster had forecast last years winneR.
The look on their faces was priceless, and the remedy for the Mormons is telling them you will join when there is two black Africans a`calling, it works.
Never slam the door in their faces, it isn`t nice.


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 01:42 PM

Hehehe - Well said, Susan. There is a bigger problem though - What about when the religious canvassers are politcal or when the polital canvassers are religious! I suppose they deserve an double kick up the bum:-)

Cheers

Dave


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: wysiwyg
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 01:29 PM

Whatta buncha dopes! The problem's the POLITICAL canvassers, not the religious ones! :~)

Me, to a campaign phoner: "Excuse me, stop right there. I have a grand total of ten minutes for politics this year. Do you want me to spend it on the phone, with you, or do you want me to go vote?"

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: Slag
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 07:07 PM

Just a little theological response to Guest Volgaqdon's 10/28, 2:53AM post as well as some earlier comments. Book of Galatians 1:6-9 Paul writing, "I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you and would pervert the gospel of Christ. BUT THOUGH WE, OR AN ANGEL FROM HEAVEN PREACH ANY OTHER GOSPEL UNTO YOU, LET HIM BE ACCURSED. AS WE SAID BEFORE, SO SAY I NOW AGAIN, IF ANY MAN PREACH ANY OTHER GOSPEL UNTO YOU THAN THAT YE HAVE RECEIVED, LET HIM BE ACCURSED." emphasis mine.

Point here being that the New Testament has historical precedence and here, in the Letter to the Galatians as well as other places the door is closed on any OTHER "gospels" of Christ. What we know of Christ and his teachings, we know only through the New Testament. If that teaching is fundamentally altered, as it is in Mormonism, it is a different "gospel" and falls under this twice enounced curse.

If you are a non-believer this makes little or no difference to you about the person standing on your doorstep. You have made your choices, but to followers of Christ this is of enormous importance. If you are a believer you ought to really know and understand WHAT it is that you believe.

Sorry about the thread drift.


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 09:25 AM

Oh - and 100 :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 09:25 AM

That was wrong, it has been stopped.

Direct quote from the article concerend.
"The wrongful posthumous baptism of Jewish dead continues, including that of Nazi hunter Simon Wiesenthal in 2006. The Church continues to posthumously baptize Jewish Holocaust victims. The matter is still unresolved as of the summer of 2008."

Even if they stop it now the damage has been done. How can you undo a desecration of someones memory? I know for a fact that if any of my ancestors, including my granfather and his father before him, who were both Rusian Orthodox priests, were subjected to this ridiculous ritual it would cause no end of upset in the family.

Some have likened this to the forced baptism of Jews by Catholics or to the desecration of graves by Satanists. I am not willing to go that far myself but it is a good indicator of the strength of feeling against it and why it should stop. I am asking no-one to leave their religion. Just that their religion should leave other people alone. Yours very obviously doesn't and you are happy to carry on making excuses for it. As long as you continue to preach that trying to inflict your views on other people, both alive and dead, is OK then I will continue to oppose that view.

Cheers

Dave


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 07:44 AM

"1. So you believe in a god that thinks there are some sins that just should never be forgoven. Fine - You stick to your god and I'll stick to mine:-)"

Was I saying you shouldn't? What this started from was me asking why it made me worse to ask someone if they wanted to hear.
Stick to your god, that's fine by me, it's between you and him after all.

"2. You only baptise those who's kin ask them do you? Well, what about the holocaust victims that you have baptised against the wishes of both their families and their faith? (I am going to keep this article handy.)"

That was wrong, it has been stopped. I am half-Jewish, BTW, and the entire family remaining in Europe was wiped out, so I do understand why carrying out that ordinance without consent upset those families.

"As to 'it's not my problem'. Well, your religion, your choice to stay with them, your problem. Like I said before I disagreed with lots of things in the organised religions I tried so I voted with my feet. If enough people do it the leaders of that particular church will get the picture."

So, because someone ignored your sign and knocked on your door I should leave and break promises I have made to my God? That isn't just slightly arrogant and presumptive on your part? Or if you ment baptism for the dead, if you ever have a relative or descendent who converts, should I leave because they submitted names from their family? That is YOUR family affair, not mine.

"3. There is already sign on my door that says quite categoricaly NO SALESMEN, HAWKERS OR CANVASSERS. I am going to ask by what right to they chose to ignore my wishes."

Go ahead, ask THEM, not me. I agree with you, signs should not be ignored.


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 07:13 AM

Great Volgadon - Just the ammo I need next time those besuited grinning tossers come a'knocking. Questions nicely lined up -

1. So you believe in a god that thinks there are some sins that just should never be forgoven. Fine - You stick to your god and I'll stick to mine:-)

2. You only baptise those who's kin ask them do you? Well, what about the holocaust victims that you have baptised against the wishes of both their families and their faith? (I am going to keep this article handy.)

3. There is already sign on my door that says quite categoricaly NO SALESMEN, HAWKERS OR CANVASSERS. I am going to ask by what right to they chose to ignore my wishes.

As to 'it's not my problem'. Well, your religion, your choice to stay with them, your problem. Like I said before I disagreed with lots of things in the organised religions I tried so I voted with my feet. If enough people do it the leaders of that particular church will get the picture.

As it says in the great book of Gnome (4:17)

"If they god should disagree with thee, tell him to fuck off and find another. There's plenty to go round."

Cheers

DeG


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: theleveller
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 05:08 AM

Any form of evangelism is the greatest arrogance. What right has anyone to assume that their religious beliefs/convictions are superior in any way to mine? In my experience, they're usually a bunch of meat-heads who know nothing of comparative religion. I wonder how they'd react if a Satanist knocked on their door and tried to convert them

I've no objection to anyone holding whatever religious beliefs they like just as long as they keep them to themselves and don't try to thrust them down my throat or bring them into politics, where they have no place whatever.


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 02:53 AM

You want me to explain, alright.

"And assuredly, as the Lord liveth, for the Lord God hath spoken it, and it is his eternal word, which cannot pass away, that they who are righteous shall be righteous still, and they who are filthy shall be filthy still; wherefore, they who are filthy are the devil and his angels; and they shall go away into everlasting fire, prepared for them; and their torment is as a lake of fire and brimstone, whose flame ascendeth up forever and ever and has no end."

This about the Devil, his followers from pre-earth life and the few, such as Cain, who have commited sins that even the Lord won't forgive.
The prophet Jacob was being very figurative, describing what they would feel.
It is not about about non-Mormons or people who have led what we see as a rotten life.

"BTW - What makes you think I am either atheist or non religious? I have only ever said I am against organised religions."

Never said you were.

"Or how about this. I am saying NO loud and clear. Will you assure me that none of your sect will ever knock on my door again? To save both my time and your collegues shoeleather can you put me onto your version of a preference service that says 'No thanks. I don't want to discuss your dogma.' I can assure you that either the sign or our door doesn't work or your missionaries that called at our house cannot read."

You are saying no to the wrong person. I am not on a mission anymore, I am not even on the same continent as you are. You don't want them coming round, well next time you see any of our missionaries, then tell them. Have them write down 'never knock at el gnomo's' and tape it to their door. It's a waste of breath telling me, as I have no control over the missionaries in your area. Frankly, it's not my problem.

"What right does your church have to baptise those who do not ask for a mormon baptism? Let it be said right up front and now, I never, ever in any circumstances wish to be baptised into the cult that you follow either by proxy or in any other way . Not do I want your leaders intefering with the memory of my ancestors. Will you guarantee that it will never be done?"

You overestimate my power. As the policy is that names should only be submitted by kin, then that is your problem, not mine. It would be nice if you were to make your wishes known to any relatives or posterity, would sure save those involved some time and effort as it would be useless to do any work for you, you've already made your choice.

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Melissa, that is a shame. Tell them so.


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Oct 08 - 10:50 PM

The folder of images. You hear on the news regularly about guys who have images in their computers who are busted. What is the difference between a computer and a folder? Just make sure it isn't child porn, if that is your plan, or your days on the outside are numbered.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Oct 08 - 08:45 PM

Anyone want to add a verse to Old time religion?

Joyce McKinney's getting it all on
with the Osmonds being long gone
It's a good time to be a Mormon
Once she sets you free

:D


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 27 Oct 08 - 05:54 PM

Is that? Talking for hours until they are frozen cold, wet,bored or re-converted? Or the folder of indecent images?


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: gnu
Date: 27 Oct 08 - 05:22 PM

Sex is still illegal in the US?


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Oct 08 - 05:14 PM

You'll get yourself arrested for that, EtV. In the U.S., anyway.


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 27 Oct 08 - 02:49 PM

I always tell them that if it wasn't for sinner like me, there would be no use for them. I'll talk for hours until they are frozen cold, wet,bored or re-converted. I have read that you should keep a folder with pictures of S&M practices and porn etc, tell them you are a sinner and they have come just in the nick of time to save you because you have devoloped unnatural interests in these (showing them the folder) and asking for their opinion as to how you may be saved after describing your feelings and lusts.

I'm just going to get my folder started now............


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Oct 08 - 08:09 PM

They're always very polite and friendly, in my experience. They go away if you indicate you don't wan to talk to you, they are always happy to gossip about anything if you do want to talk.

Maybe we've been lucky in the ones we've had.

No one has mentioned Les Barker's "Jehovah's Witness at the door", in which God has to hide when the JWs turn up on his doorstep.


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: GUEST,Mrrzy, where's my cookie?
Date: 26 Oct 08 - 07:09 PM

Hi, you do mean people who come to your door to preach their religion, not people who come to your door to discover/promote political ideas and use religious arguments in so doing, right?


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Subject: RE: BS: Religious Canvassers
From: Melissa
Date: 26 Oct 08 - 06:54 PM

Volgadon:
"...Does marvels for tolerance..."

this seems like a good time/place for me to ask about the section covering Missouri. It doesn't seem overly tolerant to me.


When people come knocking, I generally greet them with a friendly smile (which is how I'm greeted by them) and the understanding that they're doing Sales--hopefully because they believe they have an excellent product and want to share it.
So, I greet them with that pleasant smile and say "No thanks, I'm alright..please give someone else my share" and shut the door nicely.


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