BS: Death at the Walmart

Subject: BS: Death at the Walmart
From: gnu
Date: 28 Nov 08 - 01:06 PM

Unreal!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Death at the Walmart
From: kendall
Date: 28 Nov 08 - 01:23 PM

Another reason to avoid Wal Mart. Idiots.

Subject: RE: BS: Death at the Walmart
From: pdq
Date: 28 Nov 08 - 01:46 PM

This has little to do with Walmart and much to do with the strange tribal rites of Homo sapiens:

                                  Exhibit A

                                  Exhibit B

Subject: RE: BS: Death at the Walmart
From: Genie
Date: 28 Nov 08 - 02:46 PM

Oh, those crazy shoppers - just so eager to get into the Christmas spirit!
(sigh)

Subject: RE: BS: Death at the Walmart
From: EBarnacle
Date: 28 Nov 08 - 03:00 PM

Oh, but Wal Mart did the right thing. They closed the store for one day to memorialize their deceased employee. That shows they care...riiight. I hope there is a family member to sue their asses off.

Subject: RE: BS: Death at the Walmart
From: Melissa
Date: 28 Nov 08 - 03:12 PM

...and when the mean shoppers give those gifts they fought and behaved badly for, it will hurt their feelings if they aren't appreciated with warm, sincere, gentle thanks.

Seems a little bit cockeyed to me.
"I know how badly you've been wanting this particular item..don't worry, the blood is just on the box and won't hurt anything"

Did this shopping frenzy stuff start before Cabbage Patch Dolls? That's the first ChristmasShopping Bloodshed I remember hearing about.

Subject: RE: BS: Death at the Walmart
From: Becca72
Date: 28 Nov 08 - 03:28 PM

Maybe I'm dense today, but I fail to see how this is Wal-Mart's fault. Seems to me the customers doing the trampling are to blame here...

Subject: RE: BS: Death at the Walmart
From: kendall
Date: 28 Nov 08 - 03:37 PM

It's the customers fault. It's the IQ of those customers.

Subject: RE: BS: Death at the Walmart
From: katlaughing
Date: 28 Nov 08 - 04:16 PM

Well, Kendall, it's not as general as that. I have family members who shop at Wally World and believe me they are very intelligent. I know there seems to be a general "type" who shops there, but there's a lot of other folks, like my family, who also go there.

WalMart would be somewhat culpable, imo, for not having enough security to control the crowd, but it's the ones who did the trampling who should be arrested, imo.

The stores here opened at 4am, today. It is mass insanity.

Subject: RE: BS: Death at the Walmart
From: GUEST,Joe_F
Date: 28 Nov 08 - 04:32 PM

Doorbusters for real!

Subject: RE: BS: Death at the Walmart
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 28 Nov 08 - 04:47 PM

This is disgusting. Yet another horror to be caught up in that crowd where you have to move with it, be part of the animal or fall and be crushed by the stampede.

Subject: RE: BS: Death at the Walmart
From: kendall
Date: 28 Nov 08 - 05:28 PM

It's common among Bison, Gnus and cattle.I've never seen any of those at Wal Mart.Maybe they know something we don't?

Yes, Kat, I was a bit over the top with that one, but I hate to see people selling our country to China to save a few lousy bucks on cheap crap.

Subject: RE: BS: Death at the Walmart
From: Art Thieme
Date: 28 Nov 08 - 05:45 PM

We need a song on this.

tune: Woody's "1913 Massacre"

Subject: RE: BS: Death at the Walmart
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Nov 08 - 06:10 PM

Fact is stranger than fiction... I mean, I couldn't have even expected this from Monty Python but...

Sad commentary on the times in which we live were a man get trampled to death by a hoard of deranged consumers...

Bin Laden has missed an opportunity here to show US just how we are seen by the rest of the world...

"Well, Ralph, if that man didn't want to get trampled to death then he shouldn't have taken that $8 an hour job at Walmart..." (spit)

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Death at the Walmart
From: Riginslinger
Date: 28 Nov 08 - 07:56 PM

"It's beginning to feel a lot like Christmas..."

Subject: RE: BS: Death at the Walmart
From: catspaw49
Date: 28 Nov 08 - 08:00 PM

I'm with Art on this one.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Death at the Walmart
From: Rapparee
Date: 28 Nov 08 - 08:09 PM

Hell, I just read that two guys shot each other in a "Toys R Us" in Desert Springs, California.

"...Peace on Earth, Goodwill to all..."

Subject: RE: BS: Death at the Walmart
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Nov 08 - 08:47 PM

Yes, there's been a gunfight in a Californa "Toys R Us". Two shoppers got in an argument over who was going to buy a toy.

Talk about spectacular examples of the really stupid side of the consumer culture!

Subject: RE: BS: Death at the Walmart
From: katlaughing
Date: 28 Nov 08 - 10:26 PM

LH, none of the reports I've read said it was specifically a dispute over a toy. It seems it may have been more about bad blood between two groups according to This Article..

Thanks, Kendall.

Subject: RE: BS: Death at the Walmart
From: Rapparee
Date: 28 Nov 08 - 10:29 PM

You still don't go shooting people, in Toys R Us or anywhere else. It simply isn't done, you know.

Besides, it's illegal, dangerous, and....

Subject: RE: BS: Death at the Walmart
From: katlaughing
Date: 29 Nov 08 - 12:14 AM

...what the fuck were they doing taking guns into a toy store in the first place?

Subject: RE: BS: Death at the Walmart
From: Naemanson
Date: 29 Nov 08 - 09:47 PM

I so happy to live in a civilized part of the world...

Well, even here we have problems but it seems so much more savage out there.

Subject: RE: BS: Death at the Walmart
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Nov 08 - 05:38 PM

It's life imitating art. There's a comic strip called "Retail" that's been running jokes on the shopping mayhem and violence to be expected on Black Friday for about the last 2 weeks.

Subject: RE: BS: Death at the Walmart
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Nov 08 - 05:56 PM

Ahhhh, not mentioned is that 3 other Walmart employees were injured so bad that they were also sent off to emergency rooms...

That's just great, America... Bin Laden is laughin' his butt off...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Death at the Walmart
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Nov 08 - 06:29 PM

Not a case of "only in America". There was a sort of riot in 2005 back when they opened a new IKEA in London - Crush chaos at Ikea store opening. No one got killed, but it was quite close to that happening.

As the local MP said then "Ikea must have known that in opening the store next to the second most deprived constituency in London and by leafleting the area about knock down bargains for those who arrived first, people would flock to their store in large numbers.

"They did not put in place the right infrastructure to deal with that."

Much the same can no doubt be said about this latest tragedy.

Subject: RE: BS: Death at the Walmart
From: Barry Finn
Date: 30 Nov 08 - 06:52 PM

This was an "on the job death" & I hope OSHA infestigates & fines WalMart to death. They had nothing in place to make sure it's workers were safe, they provided no safe guards, knowing before hand that there was a huge crowd waiting at the door to push on, they offered no crowd control that's been heard of. They were negligent beyond belief! The family of the dead employ & those injured should be asking for criminal satisfaction, not only from the shoppers found on the security tapes to have been responsible but also from the coporate offfices & boards & those who had a hand in promoting this type of scenario, this was a set up for injury & they should've known it (& probably did know it) but WalMart cares nothing for their employees when it comes to making a dime. Does the government need to 'regulate all of industry', when will the coporate soul start to value those that drive it's wheels & those that it feeds off of, in the same way they value the dollar? The goal should be valuing the employee above the dollar, the profit should not take presedent over the life & health of an employee (think mining). This was the original basis of unions, to protect empolyees from employers like this. We grew lax, let the government slide on regulations of all kinds not just in the financial markets. These kind of protections were seen as no longer needed, we had come a long way baby. We missed something along the way when we became a country whose soul went coporate & now that we're going global we had better get it right, right now, while we have the chance otherwise we'll be using our coporate will, money, power & influence to start treating our global friends in the same fashion. Oop's we've already started down that road, too late, sorry.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Death at the Walmart
From: Rapparee
Date: 30 Nov 08 - 06:57 PM

Gee, Barry. One would think that you feel that some regulations are needed....

Subject: RE: BS: Death at the Walmart
From: Barry Finn
Date: 30 Nov 08 - 07:20 PM

No Rap, just a lot less WalMarts & those like them

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Death at the Walmart
From: SINSULL
Date: 30 Nov 08 - 07:28 PM

Barry,
I don't shop at Walmart for all of the above reasons BUT the doors were broken down. The store could not have anticipated that. I am more concerned that no arrests have been made - I know there were security cameras in place.

Perhaps it should be illegal for a store to offer 5 of a given item at a giveaway price to the first shoppers to grab them. Required "Rain Date Certificates" guaranteeing the price to all shoppers on a given day would eliminate some of the hysteria.

A woman at this nightmare suffered a miscarriage. Why would you put yourself in the middle of a shoving crowd when you are pregnant? I don't get it.

Subject: RE: BS: Death at the Walmart
From: kendall
Date: 30 Nov 08 - 10:14 PM

The thing is, you have no way of knowing who is armed and who isn't.

Subject: RE: BS: Death at the Walmart
From: Rapparee
Date: 30 Nov 08 - 10:24 PM

THAT, Kendall, is why I think we should return to those thrilling days of yesteryear and carry swords.

Subject: RE: BS: Death at the Walmart
From: Art Thieme
Date: 01 Dec 08 - 12:02 AM

Yesterday, in the alley behind the local Walmart, they found two guys with their heads tied together shot through the hands.

Go figure!

Art

Subject: RE: BS: Death at the Walmart
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Dec 08 - 12:04 AM

It may have been someone with Shane's I.Q. level trying to fulfill a contract that involved a double hit....

Subject: RE: BS: Death at the Walmart
From: Genie
Date: 01 Dec 08 - 12:59 AM

Sheesh! Where do these NY shoppers think they are? At a British soccer (football) game or something?

G

Subject: RE: BS: Death at the Walmart
From: Riginslinger
Date: 01 Dec 08 - 07:06 AM

"...what the fuck were they doing taking guns into a toy store in the first place?"


                It's a prerequisite. If you're going to shoot somebody, you have to bring a gun.

Subject: RE: BS: Death at the Walmart
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Dec 08 - 08:26 AM

Like I said, machine gun nests in every corner... Heck, Walmart could afford that... They could even hire the folks that Blackwater fires to man 'um...

Yeah, that'd take care of things, fir sure...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Death at the Walmart
From: kendall
Date: 01 Dec 08 - 08:58 AM

If we eliminate guns and issue swords to everyone, that would solve one problem. I've never heard of a drive by stabbing.

Subject: RE: BS: Death at the Walmart
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Dec 08 - 09:05 AM

It's also very difficult to carry a concealed sword.

Subject: RE: BS: Death at the Walmart
From: Midchuck
Date: 01 Dec 08 - 09:13 AM

Almost any close-combat weapon, including swords, gives the bigger and stronger guy an edge. I prefer guns because I can use a gun as well as any much bigger person (unless it's so high-caliber that you need a lot of body mass to absorb the recoil, and who, other than people hunting Grizz or Heffalumps, really needs that?), and I actually have a slight edge by being a smaller target and being able to use smaller objects for cover.

I've never understood why so many women don't like guns. If a situation becomes violent, guns make women equal. They cancel out the advantage men have over women by being, on average, larger and stronger.

I told someone that I'm a student of only two martial arts - Run Fu and Gun Fu. Of course, I much prefer the former, when it's feasible to use it.

Peter

Subject: RE: BS: Death at the Walmart
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 01 Dec 08 - 09:24 AM

"I've never understood why so many women don't like guns. If a situation becomes violent, guns make women equal."

Till the gub gets taken off them...

Injury in such crowds have happened in Australia, occasionally, for the last 30 years - but don't remember very many deaths.

Subject: RE: BS: Death at the Walmart
From: Wesley S
Date: 01 Dec 08 - 09:25 AM

My understanding is that when the Walmart closed after the death of their employee { it was a crime scene after all } that many of the customers in the store complained bitterly that they had to leave. Some said that they had been waiting in line since the previous morning to get it.

Subject: RE: BS: Death at the Walmart
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Dec 08 - 09:40 AM

Give them a choice: give their name and address and go home, or give their name and address and go to jail.

Women aren't taught about guns; in spite of Phoebe Ann Moses best efforts they have been considered "unladylike". That has been changing for more than a few years now.