BS: Christmas trees Real or fake?

Subject: BS: Christmas trees Real or fake?
From: Raptor
Date: 07 Dec 08 - 01:07 PM

Read this

Raptor

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas trees Real or fake?
From: Raptor
Date: 07 Dec 08 - 01:08 PM

What do you think?

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas trees Real or fake?
From: gnu
Date: 07 Dec 08 - 01:12 PM

I think real trees WOULD be better IF the collected trees were not burned at a big bonfire like they do here... or used to?... if they were collected and placed back in the woods, fer sure.

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas trees Real or fake?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 07 Dec 08 - 01:40 PM

Neither, as our dog eats the baubles off the tree. She doesn't care whether it's a real tree or not.

XG

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas trees Real or fake?
From: Michael Harrison
Date: 07 Dec 08 - 01:56 PM

Well, I really like the idea of a potted tree that you can keep in the house and decorate each year till it gets too big then plant it in the yard; however, my wife is STRICTLY traditional and refuses to consider the option because it's not "christmas" without a big-ass ole christmas tree.

We have, however, jointly agreed to, and purchased a fake tree due to the number of house fires that seem to occur during the holiday season - real trees burn up in a flash. With all of that, we have one child left at home and I think that when she's moved out my wife may take a different view to the potted tree.

Merry Christmas from Texas, y'all!

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas trees Real or fake?
From: gnu
Date: 07 Dec 08 - 02:22 PM

That is worriesome, XG.

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas trees Real or fake?
From: fat B****rd
Date: 07 Dec 08 - 02:23 PM

We're keepin' it real this year and the Hell with the hoovering.

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas trees Real or fake?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Dec 08 - 02:59 PM

Hey, man...why do you want to enact an ancient Druidic religious ceremony inside your house and pretend that it has something to do with Jesus?

Jesus' family never had a Christmas tree! Nobody did that around the part of the world where he was living. ;-)

(I'm just having a little fun here...)

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas trees Real or fake?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 07 Dec 08 - 03:07 PM

We have our own twist on the potted live tree route. We Have a number of small juniper trees growing in the understory on our property. They're usually stunted and slow-growing because they're not getting enough light. So, we dig one up, pot it, use it for a Chritmas tree for a week or so, and then transplant it to a more open location where it will grow better.

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas trees Real or fake?
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 07 Dec 08 - 03:15 PM

A small potted Xmas tree...? Sometimes. Maybe no tree.
It's not essential. It depends on where I'm living really.
This year will probably be a small potted Xmas tree.
I think overall it's the best option.
NO WAY to having a fake tree. I'd rather eat fake Xmas 'snow.'

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas trees Real or fake?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 07 Dec 08 - 08:27 PM

At least 12 years ago, my mother got one of those tiny trees in a bowl, the ones that are usually covered in horrid flocking or fake snow, with 3 mismatched baubles and a plastic star stuck to it, sold as table decorations.

She repotted it into a more suitable container and kept it well watered. For the last 10 years it's been in my garden, in a large pot, and is a sturdy, if sparsely thatched 3 1/2ft tall.

We've used it indoors a few times; being pot grown it doesn't shed needles if watered frequently, and thus isn't a fire hazard (we tend not to put lights on it either) as it doesn't dry out.

I know it's at least 12 years old because my father was alive when it was bought, but I'm not sure if Limpit had been born.

Here's a tip for buying 'rooted' Christmas trees. Look at the pot. Do the roots stick out over the top of it? Can you see any roots sticking out of the bottom of the pot? Do needles come out into your hand when you grasp a branch firmly but gently between finger and thumb and pull towards the end? If the answers are yes, no and yes in that order, you've got a tree that has been dug up, the rootball trimmed and rammed into a pot that's probably too small for it. It will last a little longer than a properly pot grown tree, but not much. The rootball isn't large enough to support it. The pine needles in your hand indicate it's already dead and drying out.

Look for 'pot grown' trees - trees that don't start coming out of the pot when you lift it by the trunk. They'll last longer and stand a better chance of survival if kept in a cool room and planted out after Christmas.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas trees Real or fake?
From: Rapparee
Date: 07 Dec 08 - 09:15 PM

I use an oak out on the golf course behind the house and decorate it as my Viking ancestors did to honor Odin: hanging various people who, over the past year, have pissed me off from its branches. (I don't have war captives and I wouldn't own slaves.)

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas trees Real or fake?
From: Nancy King
Date: 07 Dec 08 - 10:06 PM

Real tree for me. Always have, always will.   Looks better, smells better, the trees are farmed (not cut in the wild), and I support the local rescue squad that sells them. AND I don't send it to the landfill at the end of the season, but cut it up and use the branches for mulch on my perennial garden. I'm sure there must be arguments in favor of an artificial tree, but I can't imagine one that would convince me to change.

When I was a kid we once had a real pot-grown tree, which was later planted outdoors, where it grew successfully. But it was pretty small as a Christmas tree, and dealing with it was a real pain. I don't have a place to plant a real one outdoors nowadays, so I'll get a cut one again.

Nancy

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas trees Real or fake?
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 08 Dec 08 - 07:23 AM

Fake tree for us. We don't agree with cutting down a tree for a few days. However I like the idea of a real tree, the smell etc but it would have to be rooted and I would have to be able to keep it alive!

We put the tree up on Saturday night when the kids had gone to bed. Harry's face was a picture when he came downstairs on Sunday morning and it was all lit up!

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas trees Real or fake?
From: M.Ted
Date: 08 Dec 08 - 07:46 AM

Fake trees. When I was in High School, we had friends whose Christmas tree caught fire during the night--they survived, but lost the house and everything else, including their feeling of being a family.

The smell after a house fire is peculiarly penetrating. Not Christmassy at all.

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas trees Real or fake?
From: catspaw49
Date: 08 Dec 08 - 08:05 AM

Reminds me of when I first met Cletus, Paw, and Buford. They turned up selling Christmas trees.......interesting trees........much like y'all are discussing here............

I had noticed an area on Rt. 664 just outside of our little village being carefully prepared and roped off as I drove by and every now and then there were these three guys working there, building a little shed and driving stakes into the ground about 6 feet apart. It finally dawned on me that they were getting ready to sell Christmas trees. Now I have always gotten ours from the same place for years, but the prices were getting pretty steep so I kept an eye out for new sources. The day they put up the lights, I stopped by to see when they'd be bringing the trees in.

As I got out of the van I couldn't help but notice that these three, from all appearances, were a bit "down on their luck" and it made me want to help them out a bit. Cletus came up to me and introduced himself and I asked about the trees. He was glad to tell me all about them in that way which I've since learned to interpret. At that time however all I could seem to understand was that they were "working on them." These many years later, that kind of phrase would set off alarms, but I didn't know Cletus then so I thought it was just an odd hilljack way of phrasing things. Paw came over and I liked the old guy a lot right away. He said he'd seen me before and I remembered something about the sewage plant and the day it exploded. I couldn't place what it was that this guy had to do with it but the correlation seemed quite vivid. I shook his hand and he farted in return.

I had never met anyone who was quite so casual with flatulence. Paw used it almost as punctuation......."How ya' doin'?" (rriippp) "Purty day ain't she?" (bbraawwmmpp)..........Let's say it took some getting used to and made it easy to understand why this old coot could probably not find gainful employment. But for all that, he was a friendly cuss who told me they called him Paw because he was from Paw-Paw, West Virginia. He pointed out the other fellow named Buford who was involved in extricating himself from a string of Christmas lights that seemed to have attacked him. Even from a distance, the unmistakable smell of Iron City brew was pretty strong. I figured he spilled about the same amount on himself as he drank and I later found this to be not only true, but the amounts involved were prodigious.

All in all, I couldn't help but like them even if they were, well, let's just call them odd and drop it right there. They told me the trees would be in and they'd be open for business on Friday at 6 PM. I left shaking my head at the idea of bringing Karen and the kids to "pick out the tree" as was so traditional with our family. What the hell? We can at least check them out.

On Friday afternoon Karen and I were going into Lancaster and as we passed by I pointed out the place, not that it was really necessary to point. I'd never seen anything quite so garish in my life but it was one of those gray Ohio days, very cold and occasionally spitting snow so perhaps it was the contrast......perhaps not. Karen was making comments about the place, but as we drove past we could both see the trees that were now in place quite well. Surprisingly enough, they looked magnificent! All were very full and perfectly shaped and a greener bunch of Christmas trees I'd never seen. Even at 65 mph, Karen saw one on the far end of the first row that she said was absolutely "the one!" Since she and our kids were going to spend the night with Connie and go shopping on Saturday, I promised her I'd stop back and get the tree and forget the tradition for one year.

So on my return trip I looked at my watch and saw that I'd arrive about the time Cletus told me they would open and sure enough, I was the first one there. Cletus, Paw, and Buford, greeted me as a long lost friend. They were really in the Christmas Spirit and offered me some of their "spirits." Friends, there is 'Shine and then there is 'Shine and whatever it was they had in the Mason jars was not. I found out later that this was a homebrew of their own and made not from corn, but soybeans, and distilled through an old radiator off a Mack. Luckily I only tasted it, but that single gulp went down like a 4-stage rocket, taking my breath away, and immediately starting to bore a hole in my stomach. After the coughing subsided I gave them the common courtesy line you use upon tasting any 'Shine..........."Smooth!"

They were all adorned themselves with some of the seediest Santa hats I had ever seen and were ready for business. They said I was the first customer and I nodded appreciatively while glancing about at the trees. Even up at a closer viewing they seemed almost perfectly formed and beautifully green and I thought the light snow must be the reason they glistened so under the glaring bulbs. It was dark now and the temperature had dropped to about 25 with a nasty northwesterly blowing in a chill from Alberta. My eyes were no longer crossed from the 'Shine and I slowly became aware that something was odd about the trees. They weren't moving at all. Not a branch, not a needle, absolutely nothing was moving although the breeze was pretty stiff. Paw commented on the weather and let fly an air biscuit as I walked over to the tree Karen had seen earlier. I reached out to touch it and it was positively stiff!

I felt several branches and the whole thing down to the smallest needle was like glass. I put a little extra pressure on a needle and it shattered in my gloved hand. What the hell was this anyway? Cletus came up and asked how I liked them as Paw and Buford tossed wood in a barrel to start a warming fire. I said I thought these were real trees, but they seemed to be artificial. Cletus protested they were real.......and recycled. Once in awhile you hear sommething that is so completely ridiculous that it takes some time before you can absorb the fact that the speaker is completely serious.

Recycled Christmas trees............

My mind was slowly opening to the sound of Cletus' voice proudly telling the tale of how they collected them last year and then formed them up, glued in branches with rubber cement, gave them several coats of shellac, painted them with spray cans of "Yew Be Green" epoxy, and topped the job off with several coats of lacquer. Recycled.......uh................yeah............

I stared at the tree. I stared at Cletus. I stared at the tree. I stared at Cletus. I stared at the tree. I stared at Cletus. Cletus noticed I was a bit pale and pulled me by the arm over to the shed where Paw and Buford had finished filling the barrel and were dumping gasoline onto the contents. Cletus said that I should have another drink and then Paw asked if I was cold. I nodded vacantly, my mind still unable to absorb the insanity which surrounded me. Then I heard Cletus say, "Hey Paw, show him how we light a fire."

With that, Paw bent over pointing his butt at the barrel, Buford held a Zippo to his ass, and Paw ripped a monster of a fart, something akin to a Cherry Bomb in it's magnitude. An enormous flame shot out of his ass and ignited the barrel which flared high in the air. But it was a truly huge blaster and the flames not only ignited the barrel, but the nearest recycled Christmas trees. Coated as they were with such a combustible mixture, they didn't catch fire, they friggin' exploded! Bits of flaming plastic-like shards went flying away on the wind to explode the next tree, and the next, and the next. Within 30 seconds the remnants of every tree was flaming brightly and in less than a minute the flames were gone and 50 smoldering sticks were all that remained. None of us had moved and Paw was still bent over and looking over his shoulder at the charred remains of their business.

The next day when I picked Karen up, we stopped at our usual place and picked out a lovely Frazier Fir. I had told her the story and that I figured that here was a case where a single fart may not have saved the world, but at least did save 50 home fires. We stopped at their place and the boys were cleaning up the mess and told us it probably meant a Christmas that would be a little bleak for them. Karen is a kind soul and right then and there invited them to our place for Christmas Day. She said they should come early and maybe Santa will have left something for them and that they would be welcome for Christmas dinner too. As we drove home I tried to explain that this probably wasn't a great idea but Karen felt pretty bad for them and they had cheerfully accepted her invitation.

On Christmas morning they arrived at 6 AM and the day went downhill from there. But that's another story.

So no matter how bad it is and how you feel, there is always a friend out there for you. Even if you're obnoxious, nasty, and haven't bathed in a month, there is always the chance that if you can light a good fart, miracles will occur.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Christmas trees Real or fake?
From: PoppaGator
Date: 08 Dec 08 - 12:05 PM

In our part of the world, the local authorities have been picking up "real" Christmas trees each year in early January to be carted off to the receding Louisiana wetlands and placed starategically to shore up and reclaim the land.

This is an ecologically excellent use of recycled vegetatative matter, and has been going on since well before Katrina. Of course, after the catasrophic storms of the last few years, there's that much more reason to act on behalf of the endangered wetlands, and there's also that much more widespread public awaress of the tree-recycling effort and its purpose.

For those who fret that the seasonal real-tree business might somehow contribute to deforestration, read the article that Raptor linked in the opening post. Christmas trees are grown on tree farms; they're not harvested from the wild.

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas trees Real or fake?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Dec 08 - 12:15 PM

I think we should revive that old 60s icon, the lava lamp, and instead of putting up a Christmas tree in the living room put a large lava lamp there. It glows! It mutates! You can stare at it for hours and say things like "Oh, wow!" It won't catch fire. What could be better?

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas trees Real or fake?
From: My guru always said
Date: 08 Dec 08 - 01:05 PM

Thanks for that, Spaw! Good to read it & laugh again....

Real tree for us! It lives in the garden & I call it Horace. We dig it up carefully each year, pot it & look after it inside the house. We'll replant it in a different area after Christmas as it didn't do very well where we replanted it near the laurel last year.

Mind you, I'm not sure how Horace will cope with our new kitten, Rusty. She really does think that everything inside the cottage (including us) are her playthings & servants. She'll love Christmas & when she's big enough (can't yet) we'll let her out to play in the garden, she's really looking forward to that *grin*

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas trees Real or fake?
From: maire-aine
Date: 08 Dec 08 - 02:26 PM

Fake, but out of necessity only. About 10 years ago or more, I bought an artificial tree. I found that I kept forgetting to water the real tree the year before, so I had marked it on my calendar as a reminder. With my sore knee, I had a hard time getting down to water it, too. And I like to start decorating early, and leave them up later, so real wasn't practical.

Maryanne

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas trees Real or fake?
From: Cats
Date: 08 Dec 08 - 03:24 PM

Always real. Always from from a managed farm.

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas trees Real or fake?
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Dec 08 - 04:14 PM

Well, I dunno. We have an artificial tree. It sits in a small box in a closet for most of the year, and about the middle of December, it gets assembled. Maybe "only God can make a tree," but when the two section trunk is screwed together and the branches are inserted into the small sockets in the trunk, it stand about four feet tall (we set it on a small library table in our living room, in front of the windows) and it looks like a real tree, unless you bury your face in the branches and start closely examining minute details. It is, by design, sufficiently irregular enough, just like the real thing, that it doesn't have that "plastic tree" look. Most people who see it, even close up, assume that it is real.

We've had it for at least twenty, maybe twenty-five years now. When Christmas is over, maybe on Epiphany (January 6th, the day following "the twelfth day of Christmas") the lights and decorations are removed, the tree is disassembled and stored in its box, and it goes back in the closet until the following Christmas. No clean-up or disposal necessary.

It was a one-time purchase. We don't get a new one every year. Nor do we need to gas up the car and drive out somewhere to buy a tree and haul it back into town (our Toyota doesn't emit a great deal of hydrocarbons into the atmosphere, but it does burn gasoline), nor do we have the problem of disposing of the tree when Christmas is over. The glut of tinder-dry Christmas trees is always a royal pain in the butt for the city disposal and recycling services.

As to real trees, we live in the Pacific Northwest. We live on a tree-lined street and we're a couple of blocks south of a large city park full of trees. This area is an absolute paradise for dogs with kidney problems, not to mention a vast population of squirrels. Keeping a live tree in a pot would require maintenance, it would take up space we can ill afford, and it would recycle a relatively minuscule amount of carbon dioxide compared to the huge natural recycle plants (literally!) with which we are surrounded.

So crunching the figures, it would seem that our investment in an artificial tree a couple of decades ago was environmentally pretty sound.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas trees Real or fake?
From: PoppaGator
Date: 08 Dec 08 - 04:37 PM

Can't argue with that, Don.

My own preference for "real" Xmas trees is purely aesthetic; I would not argue that there is any "moral" or ecological reason why it would be preferable to display a cut-down plant in one's living room as opposed to a manmade item.

On the other hand:

The aroma of a freshly cut little evergreen tree is one aspect of the holiday experience that I really enjoy, and with an artificial tree, no matter how skillfuly designed and well-made, you can't really get that.

Or can you? Fake pine aroma is readily available, in any number of forms. Indeed, the cheapest kind of paperboard car deodorizers are made in the shape and color of Christmas trees, right?

Perhaps one could decorate one's plastic tree by hanging a couple-dozen pine-tree auto deodorizers from its branches. That should probably smell about right...

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas trees Real or fake?
From: Uncle Phil
Date: 09 Dec 08 - 01:40 AM

Fake, but only because Mom is allergic to the real deal.
- Phil

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas trees Real or fake?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 09 Dec 08 - 02:27 AM

Saw a good one through a window whilst ambling around Westminster on Saturday night (on my way to a gig there... now THERE was an extravagant waste of money and trees!).

It was a skeletal tree - not a needle on it - but it had been sprayed gold and white and decorated just as lovingly as if it were bushy and lush and green. It looked fabulous.

I'm going to be making our door wreath later today... I recycle the Virginia creeper vines from the back garden - the leaves have all vacated them and being still green, they bend nicely. I'll wrap ivy - also from the garden and in need of pruning, around it and when finished with in January, I'll hang it in the dining room with the last 5 years worth!

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas trees Real or fake?
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 09 Dec 08 - 10:48 AM

I am lucky to live in the wilds of New Hampshire, USA, where balsam, pine, hemlock, etc grow in profusion on lands that were sheep pasture until about 50 years ago. The land my husband and I bought last year, on which we plan to build our home come spring, has "Christmas trees" of every size and shape. I plan to nurture some for future Christmases, being sure to replace every tree cut with two in spots that need a tree.
This year, however, we are renting a tiny cottage with NO ROOM- stuffed with the combined precious belongings of two devoted pack rats. However, I have a Norfolk pine that was given to me in my first year teaching in the local school, 13 years ago- it was about 4 inches tall, in a tiny plastic pot, and I somehow felt moved to re-pot it and tend it over the years. Now it stands at over 4 FEET tall, and the pot is so big and heavy it takes 2 to move it! It stands in the entry hall, waiting for the day (closer to Christmas, around the solstice) when we'll somehow find room in the living room (not too close to the wood stove!) and put a few lights and baubles in it.
Who knows? It may end up being our future tree, and then none of the trees on our land would have to be cut. But I agree with PoppaGator, that there's nothing like the smell of a fresh-cut tree. And there's just something about bringing in the greens at the dark time of year!

Allison

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas trees Real or fake?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Dec 08 - 12:04 PM

None of you really know why you're doing it at all, do you?

Well, don't feel bad. The Aztecs didn't really know why they did half the things they did either. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas trees Real or fake?
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Dec 08 - 12:09 PM

Car deodorizers. Great idea, PoppaGator!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas trees Real or fake?
From: Becca72
Date: 09 Dec 08 - 12:55 PM

Growing up we always had a real tree and that is my preference but I haven't had a tree of any sort in the 15 years I've lived out on my own. It would seem that solves the environmental problem as well as the problem of peeling 3 cats off the damned thing every 10 minutes.

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas trees Real or fake?
From: PoppaGator
Date: 09 Dec 08 - 01:53 PM

Don,

Glad you liked my idea. Some might have accused me of being facetious.

(Correctly.)

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas trees Real or fake?
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Dec 08 - 02:29 PM

Yeah, come to think of it, those little Christmas tree air fresheners tend to make my wife sneeze. But it opens up an area for a little ingenuity. . . .

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas trees Real or fake?
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 10 Dec 08 - 01:39 AM

fake ~ I have 2 trees, each about 9 inches tall & I have enough trouble fitting them & all their accompanying little decorations into my crowded living room.

sandra

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas trees Real or fake?
From: Cluin
Date: 10 Dec 08 - 01:45 AM

I always release them back into the wild once the holidays are done.

Strangely, I've never gotten so much as a postcard from any one of them. Ingrates!

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas trees Real or fake?
From: Cluin
Date: 10 Dec 08 - 01:57 AM

This year, I'm digging out the Festivus Pole.

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas trees Real or fake?
From: catspaw49
Date: 10 Dec 08 - 08:49 AM

I bought a new Festivus Pole last year Cluin.......I went with one of the pre-lit ones but now I think I should have stuck with the more rudinentary model. What's your preference?

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas trees Real or fake?
From: Cluin
Date: 27 Jan 11 - 03:49 PM

The one at the local "peeler" bar.

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas trees Real or fake?
From: gnu
Date: 27 Jan 11 - 03:57 PM

Certainlty tells us which pole you favour.

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas trees Real or fake?
From: ragdall
Date: 27 Jan 11 - 06:05 PM

Great! So now we have the commercialization of Festivus?
For people who object to celebrations of Christmas and other seasonal practices, wouldn't it make more sense to do nothing, buy nothing, give nothing, have no decorations, no rituals, no traditions, no gatherings, and ignore the season completely?

rags

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas trees Real or fake?
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 28 Jan 11 - 07:25 AM

From a child's point of view no decorations, no gatherings or rituals might be pretty miserable.

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas trees Real or fake?
From: ragdall
Date: 29 Jan 11 - 06:16 PM

From a child's point of view no decorations, no gatherings or rituals might be pretty miserable.

Patsy,
I agree, if they've been raised to expect them and then they are discontinued.

My comment wasn't advocating abandoning traditional practices. I was amused that someone is making money from developing traditions for the protest event, Festivus.
Website: http://www.festivuspoles.com/pages/Festivuspoles.htm

Thanks,
rags

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas trees Real or fake?
From: Ed T
Date: 29 Jan 11 - 06:50 PM

Why not real

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas trees Real or fake?
From: ragdall
Date: 29 Jan 11 - 09:53 PM

Ed T,
That is so sweet! The tree in the photo looks much smaller than the one mentioned in the article, though. A six-footer would be very impressive.

   rags

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas trees Real or fake?
From: gnu
Date: 29 Jan 11 - 10:14 PM

I suppose it looks small to someone from BC. >;-) Youse got all that BC Green we keep hearin about in the songs.

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas trees Real or fake?
From: ragdall
Date: 30 Jan 11 - 07:39 AM

gnu,
LOL! Hippyville is just up the road a bit from me. Lots of organic gardeners there, I hear.

Unless those are huge presents, the tree in the photo is only about two feet tall.

rags

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas trees Real or fake?
From: Ed T
Date: 30 Jan 11 - 07:58 AM

Pick your vhristmas tree from this tree lot.


tree lot

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas trees Real or fake?
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 31 Jan 11 - 07:45 AM

Ragdall, I see what you mean. That's a lot of money for a pole, ho ho! There is always going to be someone who will cash in on something.