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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 27 Oct 13 - 10:23 PM

I'm having trouble keeping up with the listening/watching!


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 27 Oct 13 - 04:05 AM

Chanties from Sept/Oct. I've been working on book as much as possible, so not learning as many new chanties now.

Mexico:
Jala Hombre
Chyrra Me Yankee

Virginia:
Sweet Roseanna

Georgia Sea Island:
Call Me Hangin' Johnny
Goodbye, My Riley
Debt I Owe
Sandy Anna
Shilo Brown
Before this Time Another Year
Annie Belle

Saint Vincent:
Royo Groun
Those Girls from Bermuda
Blackbird get Up
Jane and Louisa
Johnny Come Down with a Hilo
Bully Monday
Bear Away, Yankee

Dominica:
Monkey Drunk, Stand Below

Guyana:
Sister Seusan

from Carpenter Collection:
Sing Sunnydoh


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 03 Sep 13 - 07:21 PM

Hi Hesk,

Haha yeah, I hear you! The number certainly is not important — just me being a little dramatic and showboat-y...fun with numbers. Realistically, the songs I have posted since and including my 13 June post are most of the ones I've learned since Memorial Day / end of May (which I counted up and happened to be around 80 or so). You can see that most of them do not have so many lyrics to memorize, and, as is the case with chanties, many call for ad libbing rather than memorization. The 3 or so sea ballads and the 4-5 foreign language songs were certainly the ones that took the most work to memorize!

In any case, yes, i remember the words; I don't look at any papers while I sing. (Also, a quirky personal "rule" of mine: I always stand, never sit, when singing chanties!) I could certainly "learn" the songs better: "living" with the songs longer, singing them more, would result in both deeper understanding and better performances. In this project though, I am going for quantity (breadth); I can (and do) always come back to the songs later and learn selected ones, better.

My method is to learn ( = memorize, etc) the songs while doing something else. I had a pretty regular routine this summer of exercising at the gym several days per week, and I would take papers with me and study the songs while exercising. Many of the songs are short enough that I could walk to the gym, exercise, walk home, and then by that time know the song reasonably well to record it. The learning certainly doesn't stop there, but it's the first step. Likewise, I don't have a car, so while walking or riding public transport I study the songs. Most often, during physical activity...

Gibb


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: Hesk
Date: 03 Sep 13 - 05:56 AM

Gibb,

When you say you've learnt up to 80 new ones, in what sense learnt? Do you mean that you can sing them, remembering all the words? If so, that is a remarkable feat.
I have a problem learning one a year!


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 03 Sep 13 - 02:49 AM

Even though I did not get to attend the Mystic Seaport festival this year, it's been a good summer for learning new chanties / variations. Between Memorial Day and Labor Day, I learned up to ~80 new ones—See, there's still stuff out there to be "discovered"! Here's a last batch, as the kids and teachers go back to school.

It general, I like the ones from Anguilla best!

From Harlow's book:
Fire Down Below

Dutch and French, from Hugill's later volume:
De Ijzere Man
Madeleine

Anguilla:
Bowline
Old Mother Dinah
Adieu, Fare-you-well
One Hundred Years and a Hilo

Nevis
John John, the Water Man
A Coolie is Nobody
Shub Her Down / Georgy, Me Neck a-Broke
Do, My Jolly Boy (Johnny Bowker)
Blow, Boy, Blow
Grey Goose Gone Home
When You Go, Tell Julia (I am bound away)
Blow the Man Down (2 variations)

Saint Vincent
Bully Long Time Ago (3 variations)
Rolling River
Sintali (Tally I O)
Lee Lee O
Mr. Cobeau
Haul Away (2 variations)
We Are Bound Down South Alibama
Little Boy Lonzo
Tinnego
Squall in the Morning (Blow, My Bully Boy)

Carriacou:
Roll and Go / Sally Brown (4 Variations)
Shame, Jimmy Riley Oh

Tobago:
Pull Away, Me Boy

Trinidad:
And Away-ay Yah! (Captain, What's Your Cargo?)

St. Kitts:
Chaun Fine, My Deary Hunney

Saint Thomas:
Fine Time o' Day


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 05 Aug 13 - 12:29 AM

Some of the Caribbean chanties I've learned this past month:

Grenada:
Shaanydo (Ride Down Trinidad)
Time For Man Go Home
Hilo, Boy, Hilo
Hurroh, My Riley
Sound Me, Doctor, Sound Me
In My Own Native Land
Very Well, Captain, Give the Man a Blow -and- Nancy O, My Diggy Man

Tobago:
Man o' War Sailor
St. Peter Down at Courland Bay
Michael Row, the Boat Ashore

Nevis:
Oceania -and- Judiano
Feeny Brown
Long Time Ago
Fire Down Below

St. Vincent:
Sam Gone Away (2 variations)

Other Caribbean, from Horace Beck's book:
Hilo, Boys, Hilo
Long Time Ago
Man o' War Sailor
Old Moses
Blow, Boys, Blow


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: GUEST,dick greenhaus
Date: 11 Jul 13 - 07:41 PM

Gibb-
Have you considered writing a book?


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 11 Jul 13 - 07:20 AM

Stevedore song:
Way Down on Mobile Bay

Pile driver song:
Nothin' But a Humbug

Caribbean items:
Bear Away, Yankee (2 variations)
Ding Well
John John Oh
Dan Dan Oh
Bulldog Gon' Bite Me
Yard O

Dutch shanties:
Daar Was Eens een Meisje Loos
Ballast song (Hoog is de Zolder)


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 13 Jun 13 - 11:49 PM

Headed for a dry spell as I get busy with other things, but here are some additions to the project since last time.


Caribbean chanties.
From Nevis:
Caesar, Boy, Caesar

From Anguilla:
I want no more coil rope

Two related ballads:
Constitution and Guerriere
Shannon and Chesapeake

Some stuff from Hugill's _Bosun's Locker_ that was not in his SfSS collection:
Bound for South Australia
Hieland Laddie - 'American Version'
Navy work-songs, "chippers"
Eight Bells


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 22 May 13 - 06:55 PM

I still find myself jumping around haphazardly. Still plenty of material to try out.

From the Great Lakes:
Goodbye, My Lover, Goodbye

From Lomax's 1962 Caribbean tour:
I Spend 40 Shilling
Caesar, Boy, Caesar

And from Abrahams' Caribbean collection:
Hell of a Wedding
Caesar, oh, Caesar (Thomas Sailor Run 'way)

The version in Bullen's collection of one of the best yet, strangely, often overlooked chanties:
Roll the Cotton Down

And one of the "fag ends" from Hugill's "Bosun's Locker" articles:
Rolling Home (Scandinavian capstan version)


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 13 May 13 - 02:11 AM

Thanks for the recommendation, Brian.

***

Here's a comparative "study" of six variations of "Yankee John, Stormalong".

Yankee John


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: Wotcha
Date: 09 May 13 - 07:44 AM

Having spent 2 years in Stavanger, Norway let me commend the Irishman Pub which has a traditional session/singaround once a month. The house band -- The Harbour Folk Band -- is comprised of a mix of Norwegians and expats: 2 CDs available for purchase there.

If you are feeling adventurous and looking for something different Stord Island, just south of Bergen, is home to the group Storm Weather Shanty Choir. They have performed in the States. Saw them on stage in Stavanger during the Tall Ships Race in 2011. A cross between Great Big Sea and a heavy metal band (in appearance at least).
Med venlig hilsen

Brian


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 09 May 13 - 12:20 AM

We'd have more fun if you could be there. Maybe next year . . . .


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 08 May 13 - 11:44 PM

Hi Charley,

I'm in California this year and I can't make it to Mystic. I'll be sorry to miss it. Within a few days after Mystic, too, I have to travel to Scandinavia—for business, but I do hope to check out some of the maritime culture in Göteborg and/or Copenhagen and/or Hamburg, depending on time.

I'm also hoping to attend the San Francisco Maritime program later in the summer, where I'm sure I'll see many of the Mystic regulars.

Have fun!


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: Charley Noble
Date: 08 May 13 - 08:49 PM

Excellent work, Gibb.

Will we be seeing you again at Mystic this June?

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 08 May 13 - 01:11 AM

Belly deep in Caribbean chanties this past week.

Fight On, the American Bullies

Woman Belly Full o' Hair

See Mi Nanny O


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 06:29 AM

Some fresh work-songs, sailor items, and lotsa pipes from the collection.

From Anguilla:
Tom Gone Away
Haul 'im Below
Ivan Boy You Steal My Ground

Great Lakes chanty
Heave 'er Up and Bust Her

The famous ballad
The Stately Southerner


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 15 Apr 13 - 04:03 AM

The familiar song, re-visiting the sources...
Strike the Bell

Some unfamiliar Anguilla songs...
Dio, the Tree Fall Down

Sundown, I'm Goin' Home

One of my least favorite chanties (!)
Bounty Was a Packet Ship

And a sweet Samoan chorus
Tofa Mai Feleni


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 04:46 AM

From the Great Lakes:
In a Handy Four-master

From Anguilla:
We All Goin' Ashore


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 02:32 PM

Thanks, ChanteyLass!

***

Couple new ones (+ more unusual meerschaum pipes):

Uncharacteristically syncopated (maybe, Calypso-like)
Juliana

This is closest to the familiar "Same Gone Away [aboard a Man o' War]"
Tom Gone Away


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 29 Mar 13 - 10:00 PM

I hope Mudcat's Mainers hear this and read the info you posted on YouTube!


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 29 Mar 13 - 05:00 PM

The mix is getting eclectic as I pick on bits and bobs.

The famous Civil War era tune...
Johnny, Fill Up the Bowl

Roustabout song...
Oh, Annie, Oh!

A chanty from Trinidad...
Heave Her Away, Miss Nancy O

And from the Great Lakes...
The Ward Line

(I've needed to do lots of overdubbing in audio rather than video software in order to get the "overlapping call and response" effect, hence the sometimes strange B-roll visuals.)


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 14 Mar 13 - 04:26 AM

New chanty videos.

[Walk Along, You] Saucy Anna

Tiddy-I-O

Tally-i-o, You Know

Diana Hey, Diana Ho

Down Below (Sandfly Marriage)


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: Lighter
Date: 05 Mar 13 - 09:46 AM

> it seems likely that Victoria was already in the song

The *German* song. What would be of some interest would be the pre-1865 lyrics of "Werry well done, Jim Crow" and knowledge of when it appeared.

Surely Burnand was not referring to the shanty itself, which seems to have been both scandalous and known to few play-goers.


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: Snuffy
Date: 05 Mar 13 - 08:58 AM

Werry well done, Jim Crow is obviously cast in the same mould as Dr Eisenbart which Wikipedia dates as "around 1800". The chorus of the lyrics quoted on the German Wikipedia are
Gloria, Viktoria, widewidewitt juchheirassa!
Gloria, Viktoria, widewidewitt, bum bum
Although it does not specifically state that these are the original words, it seems likely that Victoria was already in the song long before either the future Queen or Jim Crow were born.


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: Lighter
Date: 04 Mar 13 - 08:02 PM

Go here and listen to Ewan MacColl describing shanties briefly to an audience in October, 1953:

http://www.tobarandualchais.co.uk/en/fullrecord/61808/3

He claims that editors removed not only all the obscenity (which he implies was the usual subject of shanties) and (rather oddly, even for a Marxist) all references to hard work.

The same excellent site has him singing a few shanties, evidently at the same recording session. (His intro to "Paddy Doyle" combines Doyle with Paddy West.)

MacColl already has traces of the "Hugill style," or so it seems to
me. If so, the question is where he got it from.


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: Lighter
Date: 04 Mar 13 - 07:20 PM

Dingle's version appeared some years earlier in the Saturday Evening Post (Oct. 7, 1922). That would place it back into the 1870s, at least in his opinion.

Of greater significance is a song in F. C. Burnand's one-act "Venus and Adonis" (London: Lacy,[?1864]), p. 14 to the "Air, Werry well done, Jim Crow."

Jupiter sings:

A bachelor's life is very nice
Werry well without JunO!
Before I'd marry I'd think twice,
Werry well without JunO!

Uproarious and glorious,
And werry well without JunO-O-O!
Uproarious and glorious,
And werry well without JunO!

There's more, but that's the gist of it. Burnand included a second parody of "Werry well done, Jim Crow" later in 1864 in his burleaque "Snow-Drop" (London: Lacy).

"Werry" suggests a Cockney song, but it might just as easily have been
lame "n***** dialect." I haven't found any trace of the original. song.


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 04 Mar 13 - 02:44 PM

I realize I may be making a gross assumption, but my feeling has been that the TD Rice "Jim Crow" connection was so likely (if not "obvious," for those familiar with it) that it could go almost without saying.

That being said, while I believe the "Jim Crow" is a trope that originates with Daddy Rice, its occurrence in this specific song doesn't clinch any particular origin. At this point, I think English speaking singers could have slapped on "Jim Crow" (i.e. the floating phrase of minstrelsy) as a way of rationalizing incomprehensible or nonsense Swedish. Just as the nonsense in the Swedish versions could have been a way of dealing with the unfamiliar "jim crow."

Given the Swedish (/Danish, accord. to Carpenter) and German connections, I wouldn't be surprised if there is a bit more that can be said about the song after exploring those channels.

Sternvall (the Swedish chanty collection editor) attributed one version to 1875.

On the level of text -- that is, ignoring the issue of what was historically and culturally likely -- *I* think it may be easiest to imagine the song starting off as a a Scandinavian or German one.


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: Lighter
Date: 04 Mar 13 - 01:20 PM

Clever detecting, Snuffy. I feel, however, that the conjunction of the Apache Victorio and "Jim Crow" is coincidental. The reason is that however appealing the story of Apaches vs. "Buffalo Soldiers" might be to us, the "Victorio Campaign" in New Mexico wasn't prominent enough in the news nationally (or internationally) to result in a sea shanty. It was a given that the U.S. army was constantly fighting Indians on the "Great American Desert," and except for a sensational event like the Little Big Horn, not much newsprint was devoted to it other than locally.

On the other hand, Thomas Rice's "Jim Crow" minstrel performance really was an international smash and was popular for many years.

My guess is that the shanty refers to the "Jim Crow" stage character, and the "Victoria" is the Queen. If there really is a Danish connection, the pronunciation "Victorio" may reflect non English speakers singing the name out with an "-aw" rather than an "-ah." Compare "Santy Anna" and "Santy Anno."

If the shanty arose only in 1880, it would be surprising that Carpenter stumbled upon a couple of elderly seamen who knew it, while Hugill and other collectors appear never to have encountered it. In other words, its vogue may have been quite early.

As usual, nothing is provable here, but I doubt very much that sailors in either Britain or North America had enough interest in either the Apache Victorio or the "Buffalo Soldiers" to make a song about them.


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: Snuffy
Date: 04 Mar 13 - 10:43 AM

According to the online index Carpenter believed Victorio to be of Scandinavian origin: his note states 'A Danish Chantey, very good one.'

Incidentally, I have two competing theories about who (or what) Victorio was. Initially I identified an Apache chief of that name who was hunted down and "neutralised" in the 1880s by the Buffalo Soldiers of the 9th and 10th Cavalry. This led me to surmise that "very well done, Jim Crow" might be praising these black regiments

However, I subsequently found the following in Wikipedia which might push the origin of the song back a further 40 years.
Thomas Dartmouth Rice's successful song-and-dance number, "Jump Jim Crow," brought blackface performance to a new level of prominence in the early 1830s. At the height of Rice's success, The Boston Post wrote, "The two most popular characters in the world at the present are [Queen] Victoria and Jim Crow."[12]
.

Both seem possible: any opinions?


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 04 Mar 13 - 03:17 AM

More studies...

Poor Little Liza
Eliza, Don't Say So
Hilo Johnnie Hilo


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 25 Feb 13 - 11:49 AM

Thanks for sharing your transcriptions, Lighter! I was mainly curious to see what you thought about the Mark Page song (which I don't think belongs with "Victoria" at all - the Folktrax compilers just labeled it such), and whether my suggestion of a connection to "My Old Bandoliero" could add anything to it. Thanks for the others as well.

Good to hear some more about "Victoria," too, and thanks for making that "Doctor Eisenbart" connection, Snuffy!

If you guys haven't yet seen/heard the Swedish versions, I will just note that they have the chorus just like "Eisenbart." This is indeed why I wondered in my YouTube notes whether these Scandinavian (/German) forms were imitations of an un-scannable English chorus of vise versa. (Links to renditions of these can be found by searching this thread under "Halarvisa" and "Kom till mig".)


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: Lighter
Date: 25 Feb 13 - 09:27 AM

Brilliant, Snuffy!

Some of the "Eisenbart" refrains even sound like "Victorio/a"!


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: Snuffy
Date: 25 Feb 13 - 08:46 AM

Salter's refrain is very similar to those in the German Doktor Eisenbart (and in the English translations thereof).


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: Lighter
Date: 22 Feb 13 - 09:55 PM

James Dwyer:                                


I put me hand unto her toe,
Very well done, Jim Cro-o-ow!
Victoria, Victoria,
Very well done Jim Crow!

She said young man, you're goin' low,
Very well done, Jim Cro-o-ow!
Victoria, Victoria,
Very well done Jim Crow!

I put my hand unto her knee,
Very well done, Jim Cro-o-ow!
Victoria, Victoria,
Very well done Jim Crow!

She said young man, now let it be,
Very well done, Jim Cro-o-ow!
Victoria, Victoria,
Very well done Jim Crow!.

Belay!


                                
Andrew Salters, Greenock:

Victorio! Victorio!
Come villy villy vinkum wawkin doe!
Victorio! Victorio!
Victorio! Bam bam!

(This sounds like "mouth music" of some kind, or else something based on Dutch or German or the like.)

                                       
Mark Page, Sunderland:

I put my hand upon her toe.
What is this my dearie-o?
That is my toe-tapper
My own fa-derry-o.

I put my hand upon her knee.
What is that my dearie-o?
That is my knee-knapper.
My only own fa-derry-o.

I put my hand upon her [heart?]
What is that my dearie-o?
She says young man you're going low,
Coor da vassa my fa-derry-o.

I put my hand upon her pussy
What is this my dearie-o?
She says it is my soft pincushion
My own fa-derry-o.

Sounds like Page was mixing up two styles or two songs: one the straight-out "hand upon.../ she says young man" and the other the "Gently Johnny My Jingalo" "toe-tapper,etc." business. The "going low" line is clearly out of order.

The recording is extremely hard to decipher, but to my ear the above is substantially correct (including "pussy" and "pincushion"). I can't guess what "coor da vassa" might represent.

This song really has nothing to do with the first two, whose "Victorio" connection is problematic anyway.

Harvard's copyright prevents me from posting another 3-stz. version from JMC's doctoral dissertation that also came from Salters - but it is very similar to Dwyer's!

The "chorus" of Dwyer's version appears in H. J. Webber's "Voyagers Companion and Adviser" (1885) with the sarcastic note, "very patriotic."

There's another, unrelated stanza in the "Christian Science Journal" (Feb., 1888).

The pulp writer Captain A. E. Dingle (of Bermuda) mentions the same chorus in 1935, with comment that the song was sung mostly by East Indiamen "half a century ago."


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: Lighter
Date: 22 Feb 13 - 08:06 AM

Gibb, some years ago I transcribed all the songs on the Carpenter CDs.

A few were close to impossible but for scattered phrases. Will check "Victorio."


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 21 Feb 13 - 09:39 PM

Lighter --

Any interest in more Carpenter recording deciphering -- check out the thread on "My Old Bandoliero." I believe I may have added a few clues to the lyrics of a tough-to-decipher song sung by Mark Page and variously listed as "I put my hand upon her toe" and "Victorio".



More on the subject of this thread!: I've taken the liberty already of filling in gaps and rationalizing to create a rendition of the M. Page song --

"What is That My Dearie-O?"


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 20 Feb 13 - 04:24 PM

Lighter, thanks!
I personally can live with not knowing lots of the mystery word, except for one: "kicker"! I'm afraid that doesn't mean much to me. Does it make much sense to you, Lighter, or is it just what you're hearing?
I did/do also hear "kicker," but it didn't scan for me meaning-wise, so I had to throw in my lot with "keeper" and do some rationalizing to let the rest make sense!

That we both seem to agree on the phrase "Lou'siana belle" is some progress, at least! The currently available Carpenter materials have it filed as something like "Lucy Anna", which works a bit as a red herring, I think.


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: Lighter
Date: 20 Feb 13 - 03:30 PM

Here's how I hear Dwyer's "Louisiana Belle":

Beefsteaks when you're hungry,
Whisky when you're dry,
Greenbacks when you're hard up,
Sweet heaven when you die!

        Oh, the new road, a railroad,
        A river or canal;
        My love she is a kicker
        A Lou'siana belle!

When I wake up in the mornin',
And I look up in the sky,
And I hear the n*****s roarin',
Oh, how is that for high?

        Oh, a railroad, a steamboat,
        A river or canal;
        My love she is a kicker,
        A Lou'siana belle!

It's hard to understand. Am least sure about "kicker."


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 20 Feb 13 - 01:04 PM

Fresh batch of less-common items:

Fire Down Below (Wm. Fender)

Louisiana Belle

Juba, Mind the Bee

Fire Away, Lilly, Come Down Below

A-Humble Lee

Fire Down Below (Sir Walter Scott?)

Go Down Below, You Pretty Girls

John's a Rookey Ookey

Hoojin John / Mary's on the Island

Kizee Makazee Ya (chanty)

Victoria, Very Well Done, Jim Crow


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 20 Jan 13 - 09:42 AM

Nice performances and really fascinating notes for us pedants.

I heard Page's words as follows:

How can I row the boat ashore without a paddle or an oar?
        Because I am a young thing so lately left my mummy-o.
Mummy-o! daddy-o! Lately left my mummy-o!
I cannot row the boat ashore without a paddle or an oar.
        Because I am a young thing so lately left my mummy-o.

He sings it twice, but the final line is missing the second time through.

Definitely "mummy," not "mommy."

Shantiers: Page clearly sings possessive "my," not "me"!


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: John Minear
Date: 20 Jan 13 - 08:33 AM

These last four have been particularly good, and the notes are worth the read.


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 20 Jan 13 - 04:59 AM

London Julie

Mommy-O

Mind How You Swing Your Tail

All for the Grog


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 14 Jan 13 - 03:26 AM

Continuing to explore the chanty repertoire... Trying out some of the less-common Carpenter Collection items.

Pull Down Below (went to church, went to chapel)

Hoist Her Up from Down Below

Here We Come Home in a Leaky Ship

Haul Away Rosy, Rosy Haul

Down in Those Valleys


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 13 Jan 13 - 08:41 PM

Aw, shucks!


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 13 Jan 13 - 03:48 PM

ChanteyLass--

I'd say you're first class!


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 09 Jan 13 - 05:22 PM

Great Job. Lots of fun watching and remembering.

Your versions of A Hundred Years Ago are the reason I'll never reintroduce myself to you until after you've sung that song. I'm afraid of what you would rhyme with ChanteyLass!


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 09 Jan 13 - 12:35 AM

Some of my singing at Mystic Sea Music festival, which is better representative of what I'd do "live" as opposed to what I do for the YouTube project:

Roll and Go/Long Time Ago

A Hundred Years Ago
(shout outs to Rev Carr, John Minear, Charlie Ipcar, Salty Walt, Barry Finn, Rachel+Jeff)

Shiny O

Thanks to ShantyMart (Florida) for recording/uploading!


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 07 Dec 12 - 05:25 PM

Ha! Thanks, John!

I think the navy caps were the only clue for people of what I was singing, in this context. "to me way, you storm along/ hai hai hai mr. storm along" is not the most easily parsed chorus for people who have never heard it before!

Gibb, stuck in dry dock in the Inland Empire.


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib
From: John Minear
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 12:05 PM

Here is a very fine version of "Mr. Stormalong" by Gibb. The instrumental piece that follows is very interesting as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTM9xGSMR5A


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