BS: KKK/Tea Party Day

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 06:47 PM

It's only stupid to you, Robo...

Hate is hate... No two ways about it... The KKK epitomized the kinda hate that we witnessed this past week... It goes hand in hand with the people who attendede the Palin rallies who wanted Obama hanged...

Sorry, I call it the way I see it and where you might5 not agree with the way I call it, stupidity isn't an issue here... Hate is...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 01:37 PM

And now we have a former (thank goodness) Rep. from Colorado laughing while holding up a tee shirt at the teabaggers shindig which says "America is FULL!"

He also let his racism show when he opened his mouth:

(From ProgressNow)

At the national "Tea Party" Convention February 5th, former Colorado Rep. Tom Tancredo said that "people who could not even spell the word 'vote' or say it in English put a committed socialist ideologue in the White House." He added that President Obama was elected because "we do not have a civics, literacy test before people can vote." (NY Daily News, 2/5/10)

Tancredo praised the radical 'Tea Partiers' for launching a "revolution," and told the audience gathered that "it is our nation."

"Civics tests" to vote have a long and ugly record in America, primarily as a means of denying minorities the right to vote during the so-called "Jim Crow" era of legal discrimination and segregation. Such "tests" were banned by the landmark Voting Rights Act of 1964, ending what is universally considered today a dark chapter in American history.

Rep. Terrance Carroll, the first-ever African-American Speaker of the Colorado House of Representatives, rejected excuses made by Tancredo for these statements, saying Tancredo should know "how hateful those tests were and how hateful that period of history was." (Denver Post, 2/6/10)

"revolution....OUR nation?" This is not sounding good.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Riginslinger
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 08:57 PM

Yes, Tancredo should have stuck to what he knows best, saving the environment.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Janie
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 09:17 PM

I listened to his inflamatory remarks on NPR driving home from work yesterday, as well as to some "man on the street" interviews with attendees. It is frightening to me, the appeal to the most base instincts and irrational fears of people. I hope some rational and responsible conservatives with well-thought through ideas will step up to the plate and counter this.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: GUEST,David E.
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 10:38 PM

Seems that whatever the situation is, the media will always focus on the most extreme segment of participators, which probably represents only 0.01% of the people who are trying to have themselves heard, which is a real shame. All you can do is take CNN&NPR&FOX, divide by three and add a large dose of common sense.

David E.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 09:02 AM

Tom Tancredo = David Duke

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Riginslinger
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 12:22 PM

No, David Duke is a racist.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 01:36 PM

All you can do is take CNN&NPR&FOX, divide by three and add a large dose of common sense.

Nice try, but these teabagger idiots HAVE no common sense; if they did, they wouldn't be a part of this criminal idiocy.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Riginslinger
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 02:41 PM

Why criminal?

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: GUEST,David E.
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 03:23 PM

"...they wouldn't be a part of this criminal idiocy."

Criminal because you disagree? Someone was asking on another post what the term "liberal fascist" was suppose to mean... I haven't seem anyone smashing windows, over turning cars, setting fires or throwing rocks at the police. Last time I checked, we still live in something close to a democracy.

David E.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 03:59 PM

Well I'm glad to see someone here can think with both sides of his brain.    Well said guest, tho' I'm not too sure about the "living in a democracy" bit.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 08:41 PM

The deFacto founder of tea partiers is Dick Army as Alice reinterated.

I have despised Dick ever since he was found to be the one who snuck into the capitol building and stuck in a secret ammendment to a Pharmaceutical bill at 2 AM. The Bill was passed the next morning without anyone but him knowing that it had been revised. The law that he inserted at 2AM made it impossible for parents to sue Drug companies for more than several thousand dollars when their children were maimed or killed by drugs that were knowingly poison or negligently developed.

Dick is not looking out for the little guy. Neither are Tea bag birther gun toting real americans - simply because they are misled by shills such as Glen Beck , Bill O'Reilly , Mark Levine , Ann Coulter, Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh. ( The Greats of American Statesmanship and Constitutional scholars.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 03:03 PM

Well Well Well. Looks like someone is desperately using the term KKK to try to attach some sort if racial injustice and unfairness toward people whom they disagree with.

No discussion of the KKK is complete without the oldest KKKr Bob "sheets" Byrd from good ol Wes Ginny:

Byrd joined with other Southern and border state Democrats to filibuster the Civil Rights Act of 1964, personally filibustering the bill for 14 hours, a move he now says he regrets.[21] Despite an 83-day filibuster in the Senate, both parties in Congress voted overwhelmingly in favor of the Act, and President Johnson signed the bill into law. He also opposed the Voting Rights Act of 1965, but voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1968. In 2005, Byrd told The Washington Post that his membership in the Baptist church led to a change in his views. In the opinion of one reviewer, Byrd, along with other Southern and border state Democrats, came to realize that he would have to temper "his blatantly segregationist views" and move [flipflop] to the Democratic Party mainstream if he wanted to play a role nationally. [get re elected]

Because of his opposition to desegregation, Byrd was often regarded as a Dixiecrat, a member of this Democratic Party wing that opposed desegregation and civil rights imposed by the Federal Government. However, despite his early career in the KKK, Byrd was linked to such "Dixiecrat" Senators as John C. Stennis, J. William Fulbright or George Smathers, who based their segregationist positions on their conception of states' rights in contrast to, for example, James Eastland, who held a reputation as a committed racist.

But hey, when you are fighting a loosing battle with no truth to back you up, you have use every dirty trick you have right?

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 04:58 PM

Criminal because you disagree?

No, criminal because of what they have done and what they advocate doing. Guess you haven't been paying attention. The very least they're guilty of is assault.

And don't insult intelligence with this "we live in a democracy" crap, because the teabaggers' agenda and tactics are inherently anti-democratic.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: mousethief
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 05:40 PM

For some reason rallies where they talk about taking away people's voting rights, just don't sit right with me. Hah, maybe I'm just old-fashioned that way.

And the ugly hatred that was stirred up at Palin's campaign rallies, and at these Tea Party events, makes me think of a different sort of rally, 70 years ago.

O..O
=o=

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 03:23 AM

The Tea Baggers Credo: THE ONLY ENEMY OF REAL GOD FEARING AMERICANS IS THE Unconstitutional control and spending of Big Goverment.


Waking up America and understanding common sense.

Obama will lead you to enslavement and extermination just as we have seen tyrants in history attack their own people during times of economic hardship. Never mind if he is not qualified to be the legal President, what he and his fascist communists have done is to buy up our car companies and banks with our tax payers money and plunged us into historic debt.
Big Goverment needs Texas more than Texas needs Big Goverment.
Big Goverment needs to end democracy, liberty and gun rights to leave American families defensless.

We are being called racist christian gun nuts just because we are standing up for what our country used to stand for...Freedom!
We stand for down to earth sanity and will bring down tyrants from the top down and fill Congress from the bottom up with real Americans who love and worship God. We have the common sense answers to every goverment theft of our land water and income. We understand the common sense that it is ungodly murder to kill our unborn babies.

The Bernie Madoffs and the Barak Hussein Obamas of this world will pay for their stealing from hard working Americans, and will feel the wrath of our common sense. If they don't undertand we will elect Real Americans who do and get rid of the rest who just don;t get it. College Professors don;t get it, Hypocritical Hollywood types don't get it, Hip Hoppers don;t get it, Librerals don;lt get it....BUT WE SILL SHOW THEM WHO DOES - !

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 03:59 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 08:06 AM

There's a big difference between the racism of the 40s and today's racism... It's called the Civil Rights movement...

The hardest thing for folks to do is change their hearts... Senator Robert GBryd did just that... I'm not too sure about alot of the folks I hear and see in the coverage of the Tea Party... Lotta of them remind me of the folks who live around these parts where the "n" word never disappeared from the family vocabulary...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 09:31 AM

"the "n" word never disappeared from the family vocabulary"

It never disappeared from mr "changed heart" Byrd's language:

"In a March 4, 2001 interview with Tony Snow, Byrd said of race relations:
"         They're much, much better than they've ever been in my lifetime... I think we talk about race too much. I think those problems are largely behind us... I just think we talk so much about it that we help to create somewhat of an illusion. I think we try to have good will. My old mom told me, 'Robert, you can't go to heaven if you hate anybody.' We practice that. There are white n*****s. I've seen a lot of white n*****s in my time, if you want to use that word. We just need to work together to make our country a better country, and I'd just as soon quit talking about it so much"

Right there he is being condescending. He is saying they are just as good as us. He has to keep pointing out the difference.

The people who keep saying this and that is racist and how black people are different from white people and therefore need special treatment are the racists and bigots.

That is the racial divide in America. The people who have integrated and the ones who want to keep it alive so they can have something to crow about. Something to be self righteous about.

Let these chest beating 1960's vintage freedom fighers go away and form their own little personal guilt hell and leave post-segregation America out of it.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 09:56 AM

Yeah, Sawz...

You'd kinda have to live in that culture to understand what Byrd was sayin'... I never said that he fully changed... There's only so much cahnge you can expect outta people who come from ignorant backgrounds... I know lotta white folks who, like Robert Byrd, have changed their hearts but there is still alot of ignorance in them in regards to the "n-word"... Yeah, I know they think they sound fully enlightened but that level is somethin' that they will never reach...

It makes me sick to hear white folks who think "nigger" refers to anyone who is "lazy and worthless", white of black... It shows a lack of historical perspective but that's about as far as some folks have come... Does that mean that they haven't changed??? No, it doesn't... It just means that they have changed about as much as they can... Ya' gotta remember that the culture in which one is brought up is difficult to shake completely... Byrd has done about as much as anyone I can think of having come thru what he has come thru...

I mean, one does not go about changing an entire culture in one generation... Think about "gay rights" or the "Green Movement"... Ain't no light switch...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: mousethief
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 10:57 PM

Post-segregation America? Dude what you on?

O..O
=o=

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 10:43 AM

We are all people. The lazy and shiftless are not sorted out by color. If we keep pointing out the way it was and claiming it still is that way, It lives on forever.

Older generations may think that way but find some younger people who believe it. They are looking forward not backward.

And trying to connect conservatives or republicans to the KKK is ridiculous.

Where did the Republican party come from? That party was started specifically to keep slavery from spreading to the new states.

Where did the KKK come from? The first Klan was founded in 1865 by Tennessee veterans of the Confederate Army. Klan groups spread throughout the South. The Klan's purpose was to restore white supremacy in the aftermath of the American Civil War. The Klan resisted Reconstruction by assaulting, murdering and intimidating freedmen and white Republicans.

In an 1868 newspaper interview, former slave trader and Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest stated that the Klan's primary opposition was to the Loyal Leagues, Republican state governments, people like Tennessee governor Brownlow and other carpetbaggers and scalawags. He argued that many southerners believed that blacks were voting for the Republican Party because they were being hoodwinked by the Loyal Leagues. One Alabama newspaper editor declared "The League is nothing more than a n****r Ku Klux Klan."

In 1870 and 1871 [president Grant, Republican***] the federal government passed the Force Acts, which were used to prosecute Klan crimes. Prosecution of Klan crimes and enforcement of the Force Acts suppressed Klan activity. In 1874 and later, however, newly organized and openly active paramilitary organizations such as the White League and the Red Shirts started a fresh round of violence aimed at suppressing Republican voting and running Republicans out of office. These contributed to white Democrats regaining political power in the Southern states in the late 19th and early 20th centuries....

Historian Eric Foner observed "In effect, the Klan was a military force serving the interests of the Democratic party, the planter class, and all those who desired restoration of white supremacy. Its purposes were political, but political in the broadest sense, for it sought to affect power relations, both public and private, throughout Southern society. It aimed to reverse the interlocking changes sweeping over the South during Reconstruction: to destroy the Republican party's infrastructure, undermine the Reconstruction state, reestablish control of the black labor force, and restore racial subordination in every aspect of Southern life.
     To that end they worked to curb the education, economic advancement, voting rights, and right to keep and bear arms of blacks. The Ku Klux Klan soon spread into nearly every southern state, launching a "reign of terror" against Republican leaders both black and white. Those political leaders assassinated during the campaign included Arkansas Congressman James M. Hinds, three members of the South Carolina legislature, and several men who served in constitutional conventions."

...The name Ku Klux Klan has since been used by many independent groups opposing the Civil Rights Movement and desegregation, especially in the 1950s and 1960s. During this period, they often forged alliances with Southern police departments, as in Birmingham, Alabama; or with governor's offices, as with George Wallace [Democrat] of Alabama. Several members of KKK-affiliated groups were convicted of murder in the deaths of civil rights workers and children in the bombing of the 16th Street Baptist Church in Birmingham, and the assassination of NAACP organizer Medgar Evers [by Byron De La Beckwith who boasted of his role in the death of Medgar Evers at several Ku Klux Klan rallies and other similar gatherings in the years following his mistrials. In 1967, he unsuccessfully sought the Democratic Party's nomination for Lieutenant Governor of Mississippi].

***A distinguishing characteristic in the Grant Presidency was Grant's concern with the plight of African Americans and native Indian tribes, in addition to civil rights for all Americans. Grant's 1868 campaign slogan, "Let us have peace," defined his motivation and assured his success. As president for two terms, Grant made many advances in both civil and human rights. In 1869 and 1871, Grant signed bills promoting voting rights and prosecuting Klan leaders. He won passage of the Fifteenth Amendment, which gave freedmen the vote, and the Ku Klux Klan Act, which empowered the president "to arrest and break up disguised night marauders." By 1871, there were 3000 indictments and 600 convictions, of persons committing racial crimes against African Americans. The result was a dramatic decrease in violence in the South. Attornery General Amos T. Akerman gave credit to Grant and even told a friend that no one was "better" or "stronger" then Grant when it came to prosecuting terrorists.
     Grant continued to fight for African Americans civil rights when he pressed for the former slaves to be "possessed of the civil rights which citizenship should carry with it." However, by 1874 a new wave of paramilitary organizations arose in the Deep South. The Red Shirts and White League, that conducted insurgency in Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Louisiana, operated openly and were better organized than the Ku Klux Klan had been. They aimed to turn Republicans out of office, suppress the black vote, and disrupt elections. In response to the renewed violent outbreaks against African Americans Grant was the first President to sign a congressional civil rights act. The law was titled the Civil Rights Act of 1875, which entitled equal treatment in public accommodations and jury selection.
     Grant's attempts to provide justice to Native Americans marked a radical reversal of what had long been the government's policy: "Wars of extermination... are demoralizing and wicked," he told Congress. The president lobbied, though not always successfully, to preserve Native American lands from encroachment by the westward advance of pioneers. Recent historians have emphasized Grant's commitment to protecting Unionists and freedmen in the South until 1876. Grant's commitment to African American civil rights was demonstrated by his address to Congress in 1875 and by his attempt to use the annexation of Santo Domingo as leverage to force white supremacists to accept blacks as part of the Southern political polity.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 10:52 AM

Where did Jim Crow laws come from?

During the Reconstruction period of 1865â€"1877 federal law provided civil rights protection in the South for "freedmen" â€" the African Americans who had formerly been slaves. In the 1870s, white Democrats gradually returned to power in southern states, sometimes as a result of elections in which paramilitary groups intimidated opponents, attacking blacks or preventing them from voting. Gubernatorial elections were close and disputed in Louisiana for years, with extreme violence unleashed during the campaign. In 1877 a national compromise to gain southern support in the presidential election resulted in the last of the federal troops being withdrawn from the South. White Democrats had taken back power in every Southern state. The white, Democratic Party Redeemer government that followed the troop withdrawal legislated Jim Crow laws segregating black people from the state's white population.

     Blacks were still elected to local offices in the 1880s, but the establishment Democrats were passing laws to make voter registration and elections more restrictive, with the result that participation by most blacks and many poor whites began to decrease. Starting with Mississippi in 1890, through 1910 the former Confederate states passed new constitutions or amendments that effectively disfranchised most blacks and tens of thousands of poor whites through a combination of poll taxes, literacy and comprehension tests, and residency and record-keeping requirements. Grandfather clauses temporarily permitted some illiterate whites to vote. Voter turnout dropped drastically through the South as a result of such measures.

     Denied the ability to vote, blacks and poor whites could not serve on juries or in local office. They could not influence the state legislatures, and, predictably, their interests were overlooked. While public schools had been established by Reconstruction legislatures, those for black children were consistently underfunded, even within the strained finances of the South. The decreasing price of cotton kept the agricultural economy at a low.

     In some cases Progressive measures to reduce election fraud acted against black and poor white voters who were illiterate. While the separation of African Americans from the general population was becoming legalized and formalized in the Progressive Era (1890sâ€"1920s), it was also becoming customary. Even in cases in which Jim Crow laws did not expressly forbid black people to participate, for instance, in sports or recreation or church services, the laws shaped a segregated culture.

     In the Jim Crow context, the presidential election of 1912 was steeply slanted against the interests of Black Americans. Most blacks were still in the South, where they had been effectively disfranchised, so they could not vote at all. While poll taxes and literacy requirements banned many Americans from voting, these stipulations frequently had loopholes that exempted White Americans from meeting the requirements. In Oklahoma, for instance, anyone qualified to vote before 1866, or related to someone qualified to vote before 1866, was exempted from the literacy requirement; the only Americans who could vote before that year were of course White Americans, such that all White Americans were effectively excluded from the literacy testing, whereas all Black Americans were effectively singled out by the law.

     Woodrow Wilson, a southern Democrat and the first southern-born president of the postwar period, appointed southerners to his cabinet. Some quickly began to press for segregated work places, although Washington, DC and federal offices had been integrated since after the Civil War. In 1913, for instance, the Secretary of the Treasury William Gibbs McAdooâ€"an appointee of the Presidentâ€"was heard to express his consternation at black and white women working together in one government office: "I feel sure that this must go against the grain of the white women. Is there any reason why the white women should not have only white women working across from them on the machines?"

     President Woodrow Wilson introduced segregation in Federal offices, despite much protest. Mr. Wilson appointed Southern politicians who were segregationists, because of his firm belief that racial segregation was in the best interest of Black Americans and White Americans alike.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: olddude
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 11:05 AM

The problem today bottom line in this country is this. Republican or Democrat the shift has gone from what is good for the people, what is consistent with the bill of rights and the advancement of the economy to What is good for the party. Either party. Until we start electing people who look past the party lines and start doing what they were elected to do, we only have the decent common folks railing at each other.   Me I think this way, the only way Americans seem to get good decisions is if no one party has full control of the executive branch and congress. The disagreements seem to make any decisions a bit more thought provoking I think. When either party has full control then it is we will pass anything because ... well we can .. I think debate and discussion is a good thing. I am not republican nor democrat but independent and like to see balance. I wish we would get back to the people and the constitution and not "those radical republicans, those nazi democrats" and I keep hearing everywhere including the talking news heads ... They both better start working together and make well thought out decisions. That is the only way we succeed instead of this constant party trash talking.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 11:10 AM

Theophilus Eugene "Bull" Connor (July 11, 1897, Selma, Alabama, USA â€" March 10, 1973) was a Democratic Party politician and police official from the city of Birmingham, Alabama, during the American Civil Rights Movement. As the Public Safety Commissioner of Birmingham, Alabama, in the 1960s, Connor became a symbol of bigotry. He infamously fought against integration by using fire hoses, police attack dogs, and even a small tank against protest marchers. His aggressive tactics backfired when the spectacle of the brutality being broadcast on national television served as one of the catalysts for major social and legal change in the South and helped in large measure to assure the passage by the United States Congress of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Connor entered politics in 1934, winning a seat in the Alabama legislature. Connor's vocal skills also served him during a stint as the radio broadcaster for the local minor league baseball team, the Birmingham Barons. That position had developed after he had made a name for himself by using a megaphone to forward telegraph reports of baseball games to Birmingham pool halls. In 1936, Connor was elected to the office of police commissioner, beginning the first of two stretches that spanned a total of 26 years. Connor's first term ended in 1952, but he resumed the post four years later.

In 1948, Connor's officers arrested U.S. Senator from Idaho, Glen H. Taylor, the running mate of Progressive presidential candidate (and former Democratic Vice President) Henry Wallace. Taylor, who had attempted to speak to the Southern Negro Youth Congress, was arrested for violating Birmingham's segregation laws. Connor's concerted effort to enforce the law was sparked by the group's reported Communist philosophy, with Connor noting at the time, "There's not enough room in town for Bull and the Commies." During the Democratic National Convention that year, Connor led the Alabama delegation in a walkout when the party included a civil rights plank in its platform.

In 1950, Connor became a Democratic candidate for Governor of Alabama. He announced he would be campaigning on a platform of "protecting employment practices, law enforcement, segregation and other problems that have been historically classified as states' rights by the Democratic party." That bid, along with another attempt in 1954, would fail, but Connor remained a focal point of controversy that year by pushing through a new city ordinance in Birmingham that outlawed Communism.

In late 1951, Connor's wife reportedly saw an incident of police brutality by Henry Darnell. Connor investigated and charged Darnell with conduct unbecoming an officer. The issues between the two men truly exploded on December 26 when Connor was arrested after being found in a hotel room with his 34-year-old secretary, Christina Brown, following a Christmas party five days earlier. Claiming he was set up, Connor nonetheless was convicted, fined $100 and given a 180-day sentence. Impeachment proceedings followed soon after, but on June 11, 1952, the conviction was thrown out by the Alabama Court of Criminal Appeals. The surrounding controversy led Connor to announce that he would not run again for the city commissioner position.

After returning to office in 1956, Connor quickly resumed his heavy-handed approach to dealing with perceived threats. One prominent instance came when a meeting at the Reverend Fred Shuttlesworth's house with three Montgomery ministers was raided, with Connor fearing that a spread of the bus boycott that had succeeded in Montgomery was imminent. The ministers were arrested for vagrancy, which did not allow a prisoner bail, nor any visitors during the first three days of their incarceration. A federal investigation followed, but Connor refused to cooperate.
     Shuttlesworth had been frequently in danger in the previous two years, having seen his church bombed twice. He, his wife and a white minister were also attacked by a mob after attempting to use white restrooms at the local bus station.

In 1960, Connor was elected Democratic National Committee man for Alabama, soon after filing a lawsuit against the New York Times for $1.5 million, for what he said was insinuating that he had promoted racial hatred. Later dropping the amount to $400,000, the case would drag on for six years until Connor lost a $40,000 judgment on appeal. In November 1962, Birmingham voters changed the city's form of government, with the mayor now working with nine councilmen instead of three county commissioners. The move had been in response to the extremely negative perception of the city (which had been derisively nicknamed "Bombingham") among outsiders. The most prominent example of this continuing embarrassment came in 1961 when the president of the city's Chamber of Commerce was visiting Japan, only to see a newspaper photo of a Birmingham bus engulfed in flames.

Endorsed by the Governor of Alabama, Connor attempted to run for mayor, but lost on April 2, 1963. Bull and his fellow commissioners then filed suit to block the change in power, but on May 23, the Alabama Supreme Court ruled against Connor's position, ending his 23-year tenure in the post. Birmingham had voted to change from a commission form of government to a mayor-council form of government. Connor, citing a general law, contended that the change could not take effect until the October 1 following the date of the election, but the Supreme Court of Alabama held that the general law was preempted by a special law applicable only to the City of Birmingham.

The day after the April election, civil rights leaders, led by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., began "Project 'C'" (for "confrontation") in Birmingham against the police tactics used by Connor and his subordinates (and, by extension, other Southern police officials). King's arrest during this period would provide him the opportunity to write his famous Letter from Birmingham Jail. The goal of this movement was to cause mass arrests and subsequent inability of the judicial and penal systems to deal with this volume of activity. One key strategy was the use of children to further the cause, a tactic that was criticized on both sides of the issue. The short-term effect only increased the level of violence used by Connor's officers, but in the long term the project proved largely successful, as noted above.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 12:58 PM

The last post was supposed to start with Who was Bull Connor?

I am not trying to paint the Democratic party racist. I am trying to point out that to try to use the KKK to indicate that the tea baggers are racist because they are Republicans is in itself racist and bigoted.

The efforts of "disgusting little hypocrites" spreading hatred simply because they disagree with someone.

If you are claiming tea baggers are Republicans, they have a history of championing civil rights.

I don't give a damn about Sarah Palin. I do not care about the Tea Party.

However these people have a right to demonstrate and believe what they want as per the second amendment and I think they should be allowed to do so with out racial attacks from others simply because they disagree.

People like Byrd can use the N word without being called racist but not tea baggers. Byrd = good, tea baggers, as judged by a different set of standards = bad.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 01:18 PM

Bobert:


R*****k is a derogatory term as offensive and hateful as N****r.

Only a racist would use such a term to describe his fellow human beings and somehow indicate that whatever they think is somehow basically wrong and based on race.

Anybody that uses the R word in such a derogatory manner is hateful, a bigot, a racist and affiliated with the KKK because they are racist.

Redneck is a disparaging term that refers to a person who is stereotypically Caucasian and of lower social-economic status in the United States, particularly referring to those living in rural areas.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 01:29 PM

Well, you'd be hard pressed to convince my neighbors that "redneck" is a bad term... Half of them have bigass "Redneck" decals in the back windows of their cars and trucks...

Don't know no black folks with "Nigger" decals in the back of theirs...

As for political parties??? They have shifted ideologies over time... The last major shift was when the Democrats and Lyndon Johnson purdy much told the South to "Fu*k off" in passing the Civil Rights Act...

There's also another difference between the terms "redneck" and "nigger" in that "redneck" is not used exclusively to mean anyone who is white while "nigger" is used exclusively by some to mean everyone who is black...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 01:59 PM

See that guy with the carpet bag? See the mule with the KKK on it?

Wonder which indicate Republican and which indicates Democrat?

I guess the Democrats were for segregation before they were against it.

Before, they didn't want black folks to vote or own anything so they formed the KKK.

Suddenly it means more votes and re-election.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 02:29 PM

R*****k has two general uses: first, as a pejorative used by outsiders, and, second, as a term used by members within that group.

N****r has two general uses: first, as a pejorative used by outsiders, and, second, as a term used by members within that group.

John Murtha: "there’s no question Western Pennsylvania is a racist area"

"What I said, that indicted everybody, that's not what I meant at all.

This whole area, years ago, was really r*****k,"

---

Andrea Mitchell on MSNBC: "Interesting images today: Barack Obama, Mark Warner in southwest Virginia. This is real r*****k, sort of bordering-on-Appalachia country. This is not the Northern Virginia, you know, sort of high-tech corridor, and these are voters that he would not logically be, you know, gravitating to. This is the beginning of a pivot,"

Later: "I owe an apology to the good people of Bristol, Va., for something stupid that I said last week. I was trying to explain based on reporting from Democratic strategists why Barack Obama was campaigning in Southwest Virginia. But without attribution or explanation, I used a term strategists often use to demean an entire community."

Where is your appology Bobert?

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Amos
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 02:35 PM

Sawz:

While I accept that it was true during the rise of the KKK that they were Southern Democrats, it is a serious semantic error to think that an 1890 Democrat and 2010 Democrat are in any way similar; the extremist, anti-alien, pro-white wing of current American politics is very much the neocon and fundamentalist right wing, not the left. The Democrats of 1890 were probably right-wing, too. I believe there was a major zig-zag in labels between 1900 and 1970. The leaders of the Civil Rights movement-- JFK, RFK, and LBJ, for examples--were very much on the Democratic and liberal side of the spectrum.

A

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 04:49 PM

Very true Amos.

After the Democrats found out they could no longer block Black folks from voting, they did a flip flop because they then needed the black vote to win. Now black folks are a tool in their hands that they can use to get re-elected.

Suddenly Civil rights became a noble cause that the chest beating Democrats had been pushing all along and it was the Evil Republicans that were blocking it until then.

They can hoot and holler about what they did for black folks against the wishes of the evil Republicans.

They constantly make references to the KKK, Jim Crow and Bull Connor as being evil but they never mention the fact that they were Democratic. They never give any credit to Abe Lincoln and other Republicans for being anti slavery and pro civil rights.

Democrats must use hateful, stereotypical, pejorative terms to refer to people that disagree with them.

Watch out. "They" are right wing extremists, radicals, R*****ks and racists.

Vote for is kindly, always been for civil rights, Democrats and we will protect you from "them".

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 05:50 PM

"95% of all workers have just be given a tax decrease under Obama"

HMMMMM. How much were your taxes cut Bobert?

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 06:13 PM

I don't own no one any apology, Sawz...

Listen son... I know alot about different white folks an alot about different black folk... I've worked in the Richmond City Hail as a jail house teacher... I've worked at a half-way house in the inner city... I've worked in social work... I'm a blues musican havin' learned from black folk in Mississippi where the 'lectric wires don't go... And I've lived around mountain white folk and what I refer to as rednecks... The folks I refer to as rednecks are the kinda folks that if I called 'um a redneck or them call me one wouldn't be nuthin' but good fun... Same with black folks... When I was workin' in the jail and halfway house black folks would call me "nigga"... No big deal...

Ya' see, I understand these words probably better than anyone you have ever met... I ain't braggin' 'er nothin' here... I'm just expalinin' the context of what I know about these words... Lotta dumbass white people love to say "I ain't racist when I use the term nigger 'cause it don't mean black" but then ya never hear these sazme peoples callin' any white folks "niggers"... I mean, like never... A reneck call another redneck "nigger" and there's gonna be some guns comin' into play... So I don't buy that line at all... Might of fact, I go into this general store just about every morning to buy my Washington Post and the joint is absolutely filled with rednecks... Hey, I get along fine with these peoples 'cause I know how to get along with folks... They all know I worked for Obama but it don't stop them from using the "n" word freely in talkin' about him??? Like go figure... But I understand that... I really do... I understand rednecks... Redneck can be a bad thing or a good thing between rednecks but it's never exclusively about white folks...

That's where you miss the point, Sawz... Nigger is never used by rednecks as anything but race...

But I don't reckon you can undersatnd that... But I reckon there is no reason on earth why you should... Maybe ya' gotta understand the black culture a little more... You can't understand it from afar... The only way you can understand it is to do what I did and emerse yerself for many years in it...

Does that make me some kinda hero??? No, it doesn't... It does give me a perspective that few white folks have... I didn't go lookin' for those experiences... They found me...

Believe me, Sawz... This is not the battle where you nedd to make your stand... Go fight with me on other stuff... Not this one...

TAX CUTS??? Yeah, lets fight about them...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Amos
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 06:20 PM

Suddenly Civil rights became a noble cause that the chest beating Democrats had been pushing all along and it was the Evil Republicans that were blocking it until then.


Sawz, please don't be an ass, if it isn't too late.

The Democrats I know, in 2010, tend to be humanistic, liberal, educated and compassionate folks; often the same folks who rode the buses, registered voters or stood in protest circles in the heat of the civil rights movement. I dunno what you were doing in those years or if you were even alive then, but we did what we could to turn around hatred and human intolerance. Do you even know the words to "We Shall Overcome"? Or do you not sing?

Now, back then, we didn't count it as a political football, but as an issue of individual ethics. Connors wasn't evil because he was a Democrat and your effort to drag today's polarization and ruthlessness, started by the Bush campaign more than any other, into the historic efforts of civil rights is completely misleading and disingenuous, sir.

A

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 06:34 PM

Yeah, what Amos said...

My own family was every interesting in the 60's... My mom worked for JFK and my dad voted for Nixon... My mom marched in civil rights marches, worked with the Poor People's Campaign, was arrested half a dozen times, worked in the anti-war movement, etc... My dad, bless his stibborn heart, continues to vote for Republicans and had no interst in any of those things... The dinner table was very interesting... We had a long dinner table which sat 12 and my dad at one end and my quite Democrat mom at the other and my poor broghter and me on the sides watchin' the nightly brawl, "f-bombs" included...

Yeah, there just weren't Repubs out there workin' in the Civil Rights movement and none in the anti-war movement... These were Democrats... Make no bones about it... Democrats or kids of Democrats...

But, I gotta say that my mom wore my dad down and when he marched against the war on the Moritorium that was the proudest I have ever been of my dad... He never voted Repub again, either... Think he had enough with Nixon...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 07:58 PM

Actually redneck is not derogatory from the workers point of view.
The term redneck was coined by the private police and armies hired by robber barons to kill unionists and unions in the mining industry.

Red banadanas and neck scarfs was the identifier among workers who chose to defy the bosses.

The other meaning of red neck from working outside in the sun is not all that derogatory in my book either.

Seeing that West Virginia was the setting of the wars against recnecks by goon squads, may be the reason that the meaning has become one denoting poverty. It was the fight against imposed poverty that the rednecks were dedicated.

The only people who would take pleasure in demeaning rednecks were the aristocracy.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 08:05 PM

But historic realities get lost in time and a twisted perspective is what remains with the help of those who are priviledged enough to be paid to publish official versions. Money talks louder than truth, but truth has more voices.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 08:14 PM

from what he posts, one might think that Sawz is an articulate, well read person. Until one notices that he lifted every bit of it from elsewhere. Want to learn about attribution, Sawz?

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 08:27 PM

Yeah, a real cut 'n poster, that Sawz...

But I reckon that he believes the stuff he heists??? I donno???

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 09:13 PM

Well Well Well.

Seems like the same [ethnic slur omitted] folks who didn't mind getting tax rebates from GWB are now posting hate speeches about people who are now exercising their constitutional rights to protest taxes and are using Obamas tax cut as a political weapon to ridicule people simply because they do not agree with then.

They even stoop so low as to use pejorative stereotypes like R*****k, call them disgusting and try to link them to the KKK.

Hoot Hoot: Trumpets blaring:
The Making Work Pay tax credit, normally a maximum of $400 for working individuals and $800 for working married couples, is reduced by the amount of any Economic Recovery Payment ($250 per eligible recipient of Social Security, Supplemental Security Income, Railroad Retirement or Veteran's benefits) or Special Credit for Certain Government Retirees ($250 per eligible federal or state retiree) that you receive. If you are affected by this reduction, you should review your withholding to ensure that sufficient funds have been withheld to meet your tax obligation.

What the hypocritical hate mongers hope has been forgotten:
Tax rebates created by the law were paid to individual U.S. taxpayers during 2008. Most taxpayers below the income limit received a rebate of at least $300 per person ($600 for married couples filing jointly). Eligible taxpayers received, along with their individual payment, $300 per dependent child under the age of 17. The payment was equal to the payer's net income tax liability, but could not exceed $600 (for a single person) or $1200 (married couple filing jointly).

Those with no net tax liability were still eligible to receive a rebate, provided they met minimum qualifying income of $3,000 per year. Rebates were phased out for taxpayers with adjusted gross incomes greater than $75,000 ($150,000 for couples filing jointly) in 2007. For taxpayers with incomes greater than $75,000, rebates were reduced at a rate of 5% of the income above this limit. Individuals who were claimed as dependents by another taxpayer were not eligible for the rebates.

The $3,000 of qualifying income includes earned income (e.g., wages, self-employment income, Social Security), however Supplemental Security Income does not count as qualifying income for the stimulus payment. Also, low-income workers are required to file a return to receive the payment, even if they would not be required to file for income tax purposes.

Some taxpayers who exceed the income limits, but have qualifying children, will still get a rebate. For example, a single parent whose 2007 adjusted gross income was $90,000, pays more than $600 in 2007 taxes and has two qualifying children will receive a rebate of $450. The IRS adds together a $600 rebate for the parent and $600 for the two children to get $1,200, then subtracts the phaseout reduction of $750 ($50 for each $1,000 income above $75,000) to get $450

What Mrs Obama had to say about the GWB stimulus check: "You're getting $600 - what can you do with that?" Mrs. Obama said in
Pontiac, Michigan last week. "Not to be ungrateful or anything, but maybe it pays down a bill, but it doesn't pay down every bill every month. The short-term quick fix kinda stuff sounds good, and it may even feel good that first month when you get that check, and then you go out and you buy a pair of earrings."

Yeah. $400 is manna from God but $600 is chump change depending on which of the two standards you use to judge the value of things.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 10:48 PM

"humanistic, liberal, educated and compassionate folks" Barf.

Who orders the drones into Pakistan? Are they humanistic, liberal, educated and compassionate? Have you run out of material for your Obama thread?

Like I said Republicans have been for Civil rights ever since there has been a Republican party.

Democrats have been anti-civil rights up until the civil rights act of 1964.

Who is disingenuous? Amos with his marvelous weaving of words tries to say Democrats were actually Republicans back then and now the Democrats are Republicans? Yeah, They changed sides somehow according to Amos.

Now I got two Daddys here on the mudcat.

Seems like one of them wants to drag JFK's and LBJ's war into it and try to use that to discredit the teabaggers or anybody else that disagrees with him.

Bobert opened this thread with a hate speech against R******s and teabaggers and claims the teabaggers are hateful. An obviously bigoted position because displays animosity toward people who disagree instead of why he disagrees and how they are wrong.

Now he backs off and says it is all about taxes.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 11:14 PM

sheesh You tend toward the pathetic.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: mousethief
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 11:20 PM

Like I said Republicans have been for Civil rights ever since there has been a Republican party.

Time to wake up and smell the coffee.

At the national "Tea Party" Convention February 5th, former Colorado Rep. Tom Tancredo said that "people who could not even spell the word 'vote' or say it in English put a committed socialist ideologue in the White House." He added that President Obama was elected because "we do not have a civics, literacy test before people can vote." (NY Daily News, 2/5/10)

A civics and literacy test before voting? This is "for Civil rights"? Dude 1964 was a long time ago. This stuff is going on NOW.

O..O
=o=

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 11 Feb 10 - 12:48 AM

"we do not have a civics, literacy test before people can vote."

Do you think those "rather disgusting little r******k hypocrits" and people "with their blatent hatred of Obama" would pass?

Bobert thinks they are ignorant and the people that like Obama are intelligent so what would be the problem?

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 11 Feb 10 - 01:00 AM

Senator Reid "was wowed by Obama's oratorical gifts and believed that the country was ready to embrace a black presidential candidate, especially one such as Obama â€" a 'light-skinned' African American 'with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one,' as he later put it privately."

No condescending Democrat racism there.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: mousethief
Date: 11 Feb 10 - 02:21 AM

Ah, the old "throw sand in the face" ruse. I've been caught in a falsehood so rather than take my lumps, I'll find somebody on the other side of the aisle I can denigrate (legitimately too!).

Coward.

O..O
=o=

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Feb 10 - 08:22 AM

I gotta agree with, Sawz... The tax codes are and have been terribly out of kilter...

Ya' have the upper 5% that has corraled 80% of the wealth and pays only about 50% of the taxes... That ain't right!!! That's why we have massive deficits... There is clearly 30% of the wealth just sittin' there doing nuthin'...

(But, Boberdz... It's the upper 5% that create all the jobs,,,)

First of all, let me ask you, "How's it workin'(pun unintended) for ya???"... But past that bit of mythology there are one heck of a loy of jobs created by small businesses whoes owners ain't in the upper 5% but the kinda folks that roll-up-their-sleeves and go to work ever day...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Riginslinger
Date: 11 Feb 10 - 08:40 AM

And the insanity of the tax-codes still goes on. Obama came out and said he wanted to increase the "child deduction" for individual tax payers. But what he should have said is: we will increase the "child deduction" for up to two children, the third child will stay the same, and there will be no additional deductions for any children over three.
             That way we'd be rewarding the responsible tax-payer and really doing something to help get runaway popultion growth under control.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Feb 10 - 11:37 AM

Child tax deduction is foolish. It helps the rich more than the poor. What you want is a cash benefit, but taxable.

Population growth is better resisted by increasing the old age pension and pension-age cash benefits so that people do not need offspring to look after themselves in later life.