Tech: Why does my cookie keep getting kicked out

Subject: BS: Why does my cookie keep getting kicked o
From: Gillie
Date: 06 May 09 - 07:13 AM

My cookie used to get kicked out on shutdown when I was on Internet Explorer. I changed to Firefox and every thing was then fine. Recently whenever I close fown my computer or put it onto standby I lose my Mudcat cookie. I don't think that any of my settings on security have been changed.

Can any one help so that I don't have to log on every time?

Subject: RE: BS: Why does my cookie keep getting kicked o
From: bobad
Date: 06 May 09 - 07:21 AM

TOOLS / OPTIONS / PRIVACY / PRIVATE DATA uncheck "always clear my private data when I close Firefox"

Subject: RE: BS: Why does my cookie keep getting kicked o
From: Donuel
Date: 06 May 09 - 10:10 AM

You probably have some kind of adware program that removes cookies and crude spyware.

Subject: RE: BS: Why does my cookie keep getting kicked o
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 06 May 09 - 01:11 PM

Mudcat does not post a "security certificate," which is one of the criteria IE, and probably other browsers, can use to decide whether to accept a cookie, and what kind of cookie to accept.

IE, in later versions, will usually ask for permission to accept a cookie, unless the site is "obviously safe according to your security settings. The alternative is to accept a "this visit only" temporary cookie that is supposed to disappear when you leave the site.

If there is no "Certificate," usually only a "temporary cookie" is accepted, and the cookie will be deleted (or will expire) before you get back to the site.

In IE, at Tools|Internet Options, on the Privacy Tab, the button labelled "Sites" will let you type "mudcat.org" in a box and click Accept, and forever after IE will accept a permanent cookie that will only crumble under the most unlikely and bizarre circumstances. (Bizarre has the meaning "something went wrong" among others.)

Other browsers almost certainly have similar settings where you can give permission to accept and keep a cookie.

Usually, once a site is entered as "trusted" as above, even the Adware removers will leave a permanent cookie from the site.

If you go into IE Tools or in "Disk Cleanup" and click "delete cookies" it may delete all of them, although newest versions seem to ignore the "trusted ones."

You can also change the general "Security Level" to permit more cookies generally, but that's not recommended because, surprising as it may seem, not every place on the internet is populated entirely by friendly and considerate persons.

Security updates in IE, and probably in other browsers, have "redifined" the criteria for what to accept, so that even if your "Security Level" is at the same setting as previously (Medium-High is recommended for IE) the browser may be more selective about what gets in, and cookies once accepted might start being rejected, unless you tell the browser to trust the site.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Why does my cookie keep getting kicked o
From: Gillie
Date: 07 May 09 - 07:31 AM

Thanks Bobad, but my options are clicked to aways ask me to clear cookies and not clear on shutdown, in firefox.

John lovely clear technical detail, thanks. I already have mudcat cookie allowed in my internet options and it is still getting kicked out. It is down already as a trusted site.

Don't know what to do now, except perservere with logging on each time.

Thanks guys.

Subject: RE: BS: Why does my cookie keep getting kicked o
From: Jeri
Date: 07 May 09 - 07:50 AM

Donuel might have gotten this one. Could it be an update to a security program/firewall/anti-virus is deleting cookies on startup?

Subject: RE: Tech: Why does my cookie keep getting kicked o
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 07 May 09 - 10:48 PM

Not YOUR cookie situation Gillie

However, it appears that someone may be having a great deal of fun with a "COOKIE crackin/hack chuckle/burn "...similar to what was posted (and blessedly removed by Joe Offer) about a decade ago.

STATIC invites "Old School Fun" - such as that detested by John-In-Kansas - (but truly loved or else he would not recall TSR-DRAIN)

Max has gotten a Real-Life JOB. He should not be troubled.

The solution is simple and ten years popular. Dynamic.

A clone ( NOT one on the throne ) can present the option.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Subject: RE: Tech: Why does my cookie keep getting kicked out
From: oldhippie
Date: 08 May 09 - 04:54 PM

Do you regularly delete your "temporary internet files" to save memory? If so, your cookie goes missing.

Subject: RE: Tech: Why does my cookie keep getting kicked out
From: Gillie
Date: 09 May 09 - 05:51 AM

No, I don't. Just from time to time.

Gargoyle I don't understand what you are on about. Not bothering Max, just trying to get to the bottom of a problem!

Subject: RE: Tech: Why does my cookie keep getting kicked o
From: Cattail
Date: 09 May 09 - 03:25 PM

Hi Gillie

I too have the same problem. Win 98se, Firefox, everything set up as
you have done... But still losing the cookies.

Guess we'll just have to keep logging in! (Until we find an answer).

Cheers

Cattail !

Subject: RE: Tech: Why does my cookie keep getting kicked out
From: GUEST
Date: 09 May 09 - 03:38 PM

Losing my cookie for the past few weeks.

Subject: RE: Tech: Why does my cookie keep getting kicked out
From: ard mhacha
Date: 09 May 09 - 03:39 PM

Proof, that last Guest was me.

Subject: RE: Tech: Why does my cookie keep getting kicked out
From: Gillie
Date: 09 May 09 - 08:07 PM

Well, sure am glad that I'm not alone in the problem!! Cheers Cattail

Subject: RE: Tech: Why does my cookie keep getting kicked o
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 11:30 AM

I notice that many Mudcatters have been posting as Guests because their computers are eating their Mudcookies. Browsers and Internet security programs have changed recently, making it harder to retain cookies. Unfortunately, there's no one way to set your computer to retain a specific cookie. Every browser is different, and browsers are being updated continually. If you are tenacious, you CAN keep your Mudcookie intact - most of the time. Go to tools/options on your browser, and set Mudcat as a trusted site and set your browser to always accept cookies from mudcat.org

Remember that people get nervous and suspicious when you post as a Guest, so please do your best to make sure you use the same name on every post - even you, Gargoyle....

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Tech: Why does my cookie keep getting kicked out
From: Gillie
Date: 11 Oct 09 - 05:31 AM

Thanks Joe, that seems to have worked. Just had to know the right place to set my cookies and re-set! Yer, got my cookie back. Cheers

Gillie

Subject: RE: Tech: Why does my cookie keep getting kicked out
From: Peace
Date: 12 Oct 09 - 12:41 AM

I was going to say--meaning NO offence at all--that Cookies was standing on the table yelling "Here, guys, catch this!" That's why she kept getting kicked out.

I'm leaving now.

Subject: RE: Tech: Why does my cookie keep getting kicked out
From: Joybell
Date: 12 Oct 09 - 05:19 PM

My cookie has been going missing for the last few weeks. I've tried all the things suggested -- I think. Must have another look. Haven't been posting as a Guest. Just logging in every day.
Cheers, Joy

Subject: RE: Tech: Why does my cookie keep getting kicked out
From: stallion
Date: 12 Oct 09 - 07:03 PM

just happened to me! strange!

Subject: RE: Tech: Why does my cookie keep getting kicked out
From: Mr Red
Date: 13 Oct 09 - 12:58 PM

perhaps it is a kickie knot a cooky.


I'll get my coat.......

Subject: RE: Tech: Why does my cookie keep getting kicked out
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 12 Jan 10 - 06:50 PM

Perhaps you should take your Cookie to a higher class joint!


I'll get me coat....

Subject: RE: Tech: Why does my cookie keep getting kicked out
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 13 Jan 10 - 01:07 PM

I re-set today after a day's sojourn as guest. Why is a mystery to me.

Subject: RE: Tech: Why does my cookie keep getting kicked out
From: sleepyjon
Date: 27 Jan 10 - 05:51 AM

I am but a simple man -

but -

Why can't I just copy my Mudcat cookie (cookies?) to another location and move it/them back before starting a session? - and then could I take it/them on a data stick when going to another machine - and are they "static" once in place or would I have to copy them at every Logout?

If any of the above are possible how would I recognise them?

I hope JohnInKansas sees this - he always knows!

SJ

Subject: RE: Tech: Why does my cookie keep getting kicked out
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 27 Jan 10 - 02:25 PM

SJ -

The answers to your questions are:

Sometimes,

Maybe,

It might work,

It usually doesn't work well,

and look in the cookies folder.

(All but the last one can be applied in any order. Random is best.)

John

Subject: RE: Tech: Why does my cookie keep getting kicked out
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 27 Jan 10 - 03:01 PM

IE allows you to export or import cookies. Look in File|Import Export and the wizard lets you chose what to copy. Use Export to save them someplace, and Import to bring them back.

Experience is that it doesn't really work very well.

Some cookies include an expiration date, and will cease to function after a while.

Most cookies get refreshed at each visit to a site, so nearly all of them are likely to "crumble" and not work well after a short time. this is the most likely reason why imported cookies aren't too reliable.

If you import cookies on another machine, especially if you "borrow" another user's logon, there's no easy way to separate yours from theirs, so the possibility exists that you could let someone else who uses the machine "be you" at a site where you wouldn't want that to happen.

A better solution is to get one of those "automatic login" utilities where you can enter your login information, the info is stored in encrypted form, and the program will automatically perform the login whenever you go to a site where it knows how to do it. One drawback to this is that it might allow someone to log in to your bank account if you leave your computer running while you run off to some necessary task. Another is that some sites "share their logins" so that once you log in at one site that "identity" lets you use another site from the same "group" without a separate login.

If mudcat is in your "trusted sites" list and your cookie still disappears, it's likely that you're not operating in the appropriate "zone" or that the meaning attached to a security level after a security update isn't the same as it was when the cookies worked. In IE terms, you'd expect to be in "Internet Zone" (Tools|Internet Options|Security tab) when at mudcat; and a security setting (with current updates) of "Medium" (Tools|InternetOptions|Privacy tab) should allow keeping trusted cookies. The "Medium" security setting in IE does have a couple of "increments," so even within that range you might have to tweak it up or down a click.

If you've run disk cleanup, after the utility checks for stuff you can delete it allows you to put check marks beside the things you want deleted. If you've clicked to delete cookies, it may delete all of them. It also may "remember" that you clicked that choice the last time so it will continue to delete them all until you uncheck it.

Usually, even with "delete cookies" checked, cleanup will not delete a "permanent cookie" from a trusted site. But if your zone/security settings have forced your mudcat cookie to be saved as a "temporary cookie" or one with an expiration date then the cookie likely will get wiped.

John

Subject: RE: Tech: Why does my cookie keep getting kicked out
From: JHW
Date: 27 Jan 10 - 04:47 PM

So that's the way the cookie crumbles