BS: WW3

Subject: BS: WW3
From: skarpi
Date: 08 May 09 - 06:44 AM

WEll what do you think ?? econamy is stopping around the world,
Iran is gettin N-clear weapons in 6 months , taliban are only 100 km away from the N-clear area in Pakistan .

Nice : if we want to think this way .

Dont forget the WW2 came , by the crisis in 1929

.

Kv SKarpi .
P.s , this is just a wandering thread .

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: Lox
Date: 08 May 09 - 07:07 AM

Thanks for that Skarpi ...

I mean it'll be easy for you watching all those missiles flying over your head on their way to somewhere else ...

... Maybe nows the time to start reinvesting in icelandic banks ...

... and buying some icelandic property ...

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 May 09 - 08:15 AM

I predicted a war involving WMD by both sides, between the US or an ally and other parties, by August, 2009, IF the Democrats won the election ( this was BEFORE Obama was a candidate).


No reason yet to change my prediction.

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: 3refs
Date: 08 May 09 - 08:59 AM

Could be more of a reality than most would believe! Funny how a good war can wipe out a lot of debt. Throw in a pandemic and maybe the power mongers will get their 500-750 million global population they're looking for.

Wait for most of the combatants to get fully engaged with each other, then...........

"Beware The Red Hoard".

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: Wesley S
Date: 08 May 09 - 09:01 AM

I think there's always a chance that one or two nukes could go off somewhere in the world as a result of terrorists. But a full scale WW3 - "On The Beach" "Alas Babalon" "The Day After" type of warfare - I really doubt it.

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 May 09 - 10:19 AM

You forgot "Level Seven"

I think it will be limited, but cannot be sure-

Postulated scenario- Iran gives a nuke to Hezboallah, which sets it off in Israel, killing 50-75% of the Israelis and about 60-80% of the Palestinians. Israel reacts by wiping out Iran.

Iranian Cities and towns:
Rank   City   Province   Population   
1 Tehran Tehran 7,705,036
2 Mashhad Razavi Khorasan 2,410,800
3 Esfahān Esfahān 1,583,609
4 Tabriz East Azarbaijan 1,378,935
5 Karaj Tehran 1,377,450
6 Shiraz Fars 1,204,882
7 Ahvaz Khūzestān 969,843
8 Qom Qom 951,918
9 Kermanshah Kermanshah 784,602
10 Orumieh West Azarbaijan 577,307
11 Zahedan Sistan and Baluchestan 552,706
12 Rasht Gīlān 551,161
13 Kerman Kermān 496,684
14 Hamedan Hamadān 473,149
15 Arak Markazi 438,338
16 Yazd Yazd 423,006
17 Ardabil Ardabil 412,669
18 Bandar Abbas Hormozgān 367,508
19 Eslamshahr Tehran 357,171
20 Qazvin Qazvīn 349,821
21 Zanjan Zanjan 341,801
22 Khorramabad Lorestān 328,544
23 Sanandaj Kurdistan 311,446
24 Gorgan Golestān 269,226
25 Sari Māzandarān 259,084
26 Kashan Esfahān 248,789
27 Golestan Tehran 231,882
28 Shahr-e Qods Tehran 229,354
29 Malard Tehran 228,673
30 Dezful Khūzestān 228,507
31 Borujerd Lorestān 227,547
32 Khomeinishahr Esfahān 218,737
33 Abadan Khūzestān 217,988
34 Varamin Tehran 208,569
35 Sabzevar Razavi Khorasan 208,172
36 Najafabad Esfahān 206,114
37 Nishapur Razavi Khorasan 205,972
38 Babol Māzandarān 198,636
39 Amol Māzandarān 197,470
40 Shahriar Tehran 189,120
41 Saveh Markazi 179,009
42 Khoy West Azarbaijan 178,708
43 Qa'em Shahr Māzandarān 174,246
44 Gharchak Tehran 173,832
45 Bojnourd North Khorasan 172,772
46 Sirjan Kermān 167,014
47 Bushehr Bushehr 161,674
48 Birjand South Khorasan 157,848
49 Ilam Īlām 155,289
50 Malayer Hamadān 153,748
51 Bukan West Azarbaijan 149,340
52 Maragheh East Azarbaijan 146,405
53 Rafsanjan Kermān 136,388
54 Nasimshahr Tehran 135,824
55 Mahabad West Azarbaijan 133,324
56 Saqqez Kurdistan 131,349
57 Zabol Sistan and Baluchestan 130,642
58 Gonbad-e Qabus Golestān 127,167
59 Shahrood Semnān 126,916
60 Shahrekord Chaharmahal and Bakhtiari 126,746
61 Pakdasht Tehran 126,281
62 Shahinshahr Eşfahān Province 126,070
63 Semnan Semnān 124,999
64 Khorramshahr Khūzestān 123,866
65 Marvdasht Fars 123,858
66 Andimeshk Khūzestān 119,422
67 Torbat-e Heydarieh Razavi Khorasan 119,360
68 Marand East Azarbaijan 114,165
69 Miandoab West Azarbaijan 112,933
70 Mahshahr Khūzestān 109,927
71 Bandar-e Anzali Gīlān 109,687
72 Shahreza Eşfahān 108,299
73 Masjed Soleyman Khūzestān 106,121
74 Izeh Khūzestān 103,695
75 Jahrom Fars 103,023
76 Dorood Lorestān 100,528


And Israel is estimated to have 80-200 nuclear weapons... So they may take out a few other places, as well.





Does Russia or China step in, or does the threat of US action keep them out of it? THAT will determine if it remains a "limited" nuclear war...


Or perhaps it will be N. Korea, or a Taliban controlled Pakistan. Who knows?

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: GUEST,Jim Martin
Date: 08 May 09 - 10:36 AM

Simon Jenkins' view in "The Guardian":

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/may/07/gordon-brown-thatcher-blair-election

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: Wesley S
Date: 08 May 09 - 10:40 AM

I've read Level 7 but it's been years. I havn't been able to find it in my boxes of books. But it's there. My new favorite is "World Made by Hand" by James Howard Kunstler. The protagonist is an old time fiddle player in upstate NewYork. Two nukes destroy LA and DC. After that all oil shipments are stopped to the US and the electric grid goes down. People have to go back to farming and the barder system.

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 May 09 - 10:45 AM

Iceland will be the new Industrial Power- with geothermal energy, it will be able to HAVE industry when the rest of us are trying to get by on local resources.

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: Bill D
Date: 08 May 09 - 11:13 AM

Is there a serious point to a list of Israeli towns? Or do you just love copying & pasting stuff?

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 May 09 - 12:09 PM

"I think it will be limited, but cannot be sure- " beardedbruce


You're damn right, bb, you can't be SURE. One of the silliest statements I've ever heard.

(This is worthy of the strangest rantings of a specific other Mudcatter.)

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 May 09 - 01:41 PM

BillD,


Let me 'splain it to you:


That was a list of ******Iranian****** towns- demonstrating that the number of towns/cities with over 100,000 population is exceeded by the LOWEST estimate of Israeli nuclear bombs.

1. try reading before commenting


"Iranian Cities and towns:"
(followed by list of cities and towns)

"And Israel is estimated to have 80-200 nuclear weapons... So they may take out a few other places, as well."

These statements were in support of my comment "Israel reacts by wiping out Iran."

Understand now?


2. Is there a serious point to your comment? Or do you just love jumping in and making fun of a serious point?





Ebbie,

By saying I was not sure I meant to indicate that I have no information that, should such a scenario occur, the other named countries would NOT interfere and spread the conflict. Look at 1914, and tell me how it would not be ths same situation- (where do you think China gets it's oil from?) No-one INTENDED that it become a world conflict- but no-one took steps to keep it from becoming one, either.

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: gnu
Date: 08 May 09 - 02:28 PM

Pressing buttons?

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: Wesley S
Date: 08 May 09 - 03:27 PM

Just don't press the big red one.....

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: Bill D
Date: 08 May 09 - 04:39 PM

"1. try reading before commenting"

yeah..mea culpa..I was rushing. I just carelessly assumed you would be posting Israeli stuff...the names didn't ring a bell as specifically Iranian.

Let ME 'splain why I took issue at all...

Why would anyone post the detailed list of towns whose names mean little to 99.257% of us, instead of saying simply "There are "X" many places in Iran of "Y" size, therefore..." unless you just like C&P.
Also, the whole exercise seems like pointless speculation about VERY unlikely scenarios designed to push someone's buttons.

*shrug* ...

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: Lox
Date: 08 May 09 - 05:05 PM

Well I just think the whoke thing is weird.

BB, if this isn't just off the wall humour then you really have me worried.

Are you really itching for Armageddon that bad?

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: Lox
Date: 08 May 09 - 05:10 PM

I've just read through that list again and grappled with the reality of the point you're making.

You're sick Brucie.

It really colours all that you have said about Gaza with a different shade.

And it is totally consistent with your approach on that subject so far.

I wonder who in the israeli administration share your apparent fetish for destruction and revenge.

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: Lox
Date: 08 May 09 - 05:12 PM

Why would a democrat president in the white house have any correlation with a nuclear war happening?

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 08 May 09 - 05:37 PM

Because, Lox, a Democratic president would simply not have the balls to nuke the %#@& out of Pakistan, North Korea, and Iran before they can nuke us first! And Bruce predicts this within the next 90 days. So while you genuflect in contrition over having not elected Jon McCain, go ahead and kiss yer ass goodbye!

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 May 09 - 05:39 PM

BillD,

"Why would anyone post the detailed list of towns whose names mean little to 99.257% of us, instead of saying simply "There are "X" many places in Iran of "Y" size, therefore..." unless you just like C&P."

Perhaps because when I post statements of the sort you suggest I am taken to task for not providing the accurate infortion: When I do post it, I get comments like yours.

Heads I lose, tails you win.



Lox,

"
Why would a democrat president in the white house have any correlation with a nuclear war happening? "

As I explained some time ago, the election of a Democrat in the US, because of the percieved ( NOT actual) tendency towards not taking action when it would be effective ( of members of that party) would lead those who want to pressure the US into taking action that, they believe, would NOT cause us to react , but in reality are over the line and the US will react to.


"Are you really itching for Armageddon that bad? "

Not at all- those here that make fun of any serious discussion of the topic seem far more likely to encourage it, by not taking steps to avoid it.

Let me make it a simple statement: Nuclear war is a bad thing. \

BUT it can't be prevented by hiding one's head in the sand and saying it is a bad thing- the actions that are taken will control whether it occurs. I wish to avoid having a nuclear war- It is a pity that so many others will say that and then act in such a manner as to greatly increase the chance of one happening.

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 May 09 - 05:42 PM

Excuse me, that should be "Loxie"

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: Lox
Date: 08 May 09 - 06:01 PM

Ah yes - I see ...

... and you have the recipe for avoiding nuclear war ...

... leastways, Bush did, McCain would have and The Israeli Administration no doubt do too.

And knowing exactly how many Millions of innocent Iranian men women and children Israel could kill in a revenge attack is an ingredient in that recipe ...

... I prefer Nigella.

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 May 09 - 06:01 PM

Loxie,

I think you may not have read my scenario:

"Iran gives a nuke to Hezboallah, which sets it off in Israel, killing 50-75% of the Israelis and about 60-80% of the Palestinians."


You might be happy with those numbers, but they get me upset. BOTH sets.

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 May 09 - 06:04 PM

BillD: "the names didn't ring a bell as specifically Iranian."

beardedbruce:"Iranian Cities and towns:
Rank   City   Province   Population   
1 Tehran Tehran 7,705,036 "



Like you bothered to even read them.....

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: Lox
Date: 08 May 09 - 06:08 PM

Ah yes - I wondered if you were going to go down that route.

Because I commented on one part of your fantasy and not on another part therefore what exactly?

I read the whole of your twisted scenario and it struck me that you spent a lot of time giving precise details of the Iranian victims, while you were happy to talk percentages of Israelis and Palestinians.

Then you spoke of the numbers of Israeli weapons in relation to the millions of Iranians on your long and detailed list and with the apparent zeal of an 8 year old with a can of insecticide drooling over an ants nest you imagined the possible devastation of those people.

I find that utterly lacking in taste and humanity and I've gone off you.

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 May 09 - 06:16 PM

Such a war is certainly possible, specially if the world's economic problems stagnate or get even worse.   There is definitely the risk of war, because politicians tend to engineer wars (large or small) when they can't figure out how else to deal with a problem of falling domestic popularity or a declining economy.

I make no predictions, however, regarding the probabllity of it. That will depend on:

1. the intelligence of world leaders
2. their sense of moral responsibility
3. and how ruthless they are...

There are some leaders who worry me more than others in that regard.

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: Bill D
Date: 08 May 09 - 06:17 PM

I scanned the list...the basic names meant nothing.

"...when I post statements of the sort you suggest I am taken to task for not providing the accurate infortion:"

suggestion: wait until asked for it. (perhaps a note saying "I can provide details." Too easy?

I surrender... you have a taste for tossing out "data", as if piles of data proves something by itself.

..bye...

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 May 09 - 06:31 PM

Why assume there is no other path out of recession? Been watching the FTSE 100?

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: Jack Campin
Date: 08 May 09 - 07:28 PM

Israel is not in a symmetric position with regard to surrounding mostly-Muslim states.

Israel has a sizable Muslim minority and is also close upwind of countries with Muslim populations.

Nobody could nuke anything in Israel without killing many more Muslims than Jews.

The reverse is not true. Israel can nuke Iran with very few Jewish casualties (and none that people like Lieberman care about).

Israel has hostages, the Muslim states of the Middle East don't.

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 May 09 - 07:51 PM

Exactly, Jack. I am far more concerned about the risk of Israel launching a "pre-emptive" nuclear strike on Iran than I am about Iran committing national suicide by smuggling a single bomb into Israel and setting it off. Israel has a long history of launching massive attacks on its neighbours....not just a bomb here or a bomb there...but full scale military operations. Israel, like the USA, has a sense of its own moral entitlement, and they figure that it's perfectly okay for them to do what no one else (except the USA) is ever allowed to do.

Iran has such a sense of moral entitlement too, needless to say, as do Islamic extremists generally. They are not, however, in a position to launch major attacks (such as nuclear ones) with impunity. Matter of fact, if they do so they immediately sign their own death warrant under a hail of Israeli nukes. That makes it quite unlikely that they would do it.

It is only the very powerful in this world who do such things (full scale invasion or nuclear attacks)...because they believe they can get away with it and suffer little or no losses in the process. That's the "Shock and Awe" doctrine. The Iranians do not have that luxury. They would suffer virtually total loss if they triggered such events.

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 May 09 - 11:05 PM

Not at all- those here that make fun of any serious discussion of the topic seem far more likely to encourage it, by not taking steps to avoid it.

"Let me make it a simple statement: Nuclear war is a bad thing. \

BUT it can't be prevented by hiding one's head in the sand and saying it is a bad thing- the actions that are taken will control whether it occurs. I wish to avoid having a nuclear war- It is a pity that so many others will say that and then act in such a manner as to greatly increase the chance of one happening.

This sounds like an act of grandiosity in reverse. In just what way do you perceive us, here on the Mudcat, as being able to affect these actions in any way? In what way do we encourage such an event "by not taking steps to avoid it?" In what way can we "greatly increase the chance of one happening"?

Frankly, rocket scientist or not, I doubt very much if even YOU have such abilities.

I don't have any idea what you are reading that makes you envision such a scenario, but may I postulate that it is a futile exercise.

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: CarolC
Date: 08 May 09 - 11:17 PM

With the level of certainty that someone in this thread has that there will be a war that includes WMD by August of this year, and considering the example given, I expect that means that this person is aware of Israeli plans to conduct a false flag operation against itself or its interests and to use that as a pretext for nuking Iran (and apparently other places as well).

Israel has done that sort of thing before, and that's the only way that person could possibly have that level of certainty.

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: Donuel
Date: 08 May 09 - 11:26 PM

The economy is two or three years away from getting back jobs that have been lost. The bottom is very near and the policies in place will ensure a slow motion recovery instead of the sudden plane crash scenario.

As for Nuclear War... the risk of an accidental nuclear war is far greater than a deliberate one.

I don't kinow if that soothes or frightens you but we still need to beat nukes into plowshares, but carefully.

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: skarpi
Date: 09 May 09 - 07:16 AM

"Iran gives a nuke to Hezboallah, which sets it off in Israel, killing 50-75% of the Israelis and about 60-80% of the Palestinians."

uhh am i reading a novel here ? yes this could happen, but the
Isreal would know .

and one thing , dont many Isreal people come from Russia as well ?
and if so why is Russia helping out Iran ? for Money Greed ??
or just becouse they dont give a ............ skrúmp !!!!!

but why are the Islam world angry at the western world , what did we do to get those response ? Why do Iran have the need to make a N-clear
bomb?? is it all becouse of faith , I mean the Arabs , did fight Medina to fell Muhammed becouse they did not like what he was doin ,
Muslim ( those who belivie in god ) hmm I think I am gettin this right , I mean there are some here in Iceland I had a change
to meet some of them , and one of my best friend here is muslim woman
, not all of them read the Koran wrong . Maybe I will read the Koran ? who knows .

Did we get this response becouse of : greed , hunger for power ,
Money , for selling weapons , to get more jobs so the econamy would
go on , oil industry , and culture why in earth do we have take away from those people , every thing what is found from the past .
becouse of GREED , to make money so they can sit down in their fancy chairs, in the big houses with a bunch of money ??

Greed has followed us from the beginning, and it will fall us down ,
the question is , has the count down begun ? What felled Iceland was not just the international crisis , also GREED for all those
things , money power , and first of all people only thinkin about them self , not their friends or family . They made Iceland , the second ENRON FALL . And only made by 30 people , who on the end made one nation bankrupt , so we should maybe put up posters, dead or alive like in the west 18 hundred something .
But no they are goin get away with this ? somehow . great is it.








Donuel you said,

The economy is two or three years away from getting back jobs that have been lost. The bottom is very near and the policies in place will ensure a slow motion recovery instead of the sudden plane crash scenario.

in the news this morning at Sky , they say , British banks are waiting to the third hit wave of the crisis, whats happening here
in Iceland is this , house marketing prices is goin down fast ,
our Index at the National bank is goin down very slow ,
No one goes to the stores the price of everything is goin fast up , we are still looing alot of jobs
for a little nation like us 20,000 people are alot with out
jobs , 40 000 homes are goin over , now are just 300,000 thousand
so we should be recovering very fast , they say that we are out of this middle of next year.

And why did I start this thread , I just fell down to an historian book the other night , it told me about how wars started the first one and the second one . So I got wandering., and as you may see , I have a billion questions lookin for an answear .

well keep on love-in each other
all the best Skarpi Iceland .

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 May 09 - 01:18 PM

It is mainly people's blind pursuit of money and power that has led us to this, Skarpi. When people seek only MORE money...but without regard to the many harmful side effects of what they are doing....everything soon goes to hell. It is the worship of the God of Money that has brought us to this point.

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: skarpi
Date: 09 May 09 - 01:25 PM

everything soon goes to hell.


why do think that ??
you got a great man as a president , he´s among the people and I see the world is found of him ,

comon , lets try to think positve all though this thread is just about wandering part of my mind , then I think this all will go well

love
skarpi

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 May 09 - 01:37 PM

Yes, he is a refreshing change from the usual presidents we've seen. I also hope for the best.

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: Peace
Date: 09 May 09 - 04:19 PM

"With the level of certainty that someone in this thread has that there will be a war that includes WMD by August of this year, and considering the example given, I expect that means that this person is aware of Israeli plans to conduct a false flag operation against itself or its interests and to use that as a pretext for nuking Iran (and apparently other places as well).

Israel has done that sort of thing before, and that's the only way that person could possibly have that level of certainty."

In a word, bullshit.

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: CarolC
Date: 09 May 09 - 04:29 PM

Oh yeah? Prove it.

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: Peace
Date: 09 May 09 - 04:32 PM

The onus of proof is on you, big mouth. You made the initial statement.

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: Peace
Date: 09 May 09 - 04:35 PM

'Israel has done that sort of thing before, and that's the only way that person could possibly have that level of certainty."'

YOU prove it.

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: CarolC
Date: 09 May 09 - 05:06 PM

The fact that Israel has done that sort of thing before is incredibly easy to prove. The Lavon Affair.

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: Peace
Date: 09 May 09 - 05:12 PM

Uh huh. I am aware of that. An this translates to a false flag operation resulting in nuclear war, soon. Right?

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: Peace
Date: 09 May 09 - 05:17 PM

It is so patently obvious that you would cross any busy street to take a shot at Israel. It is clear that you do not care about fairness or honesty in your posts. You can have this thread. And any other thread to do with Israel. I would suggest that any pro-Israeli supporters or even people who wish some sort of balance simply avoid resoponding to your posts. You do indeed have an agenda, and it is not to support Palestinians. It is, very simply, to tear down Israel, whether rightly or wrongly. Keep your hatred and may you develop ulcers because of it.

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: CarolC
Date: 09 May 09 - 05:27 PM

I'm not the one who introduced the subject of Israel in this thread. Is someone has a problem with people introducing the subject of Israel in this thread, they need to complain to the person who actually brought the subject of Israel into this thread, not me.

I am not suggesting that they have used false flag operations to justify nuking someone. I am suggesting they have used false flag operations to justify doing whatever the hell they want.

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: CarolC
Date: 09 May 09 - 05:31 PM

Correction: If someone has a problem with people introducing the subject of Israel in this thread, they need to complain to the person who actually brought the subject of Israel into this thread, not me.

But then, the poster complaining to me never bothers to complain when people bring up the subject of Israel when he agrees with what they post. It's only those with whom he doesn't agree who aren't allowed to talk about Israel.

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 May 09 - 12:17 AM

Israel is a very sore point with people. They are generally either very much FOR Israeli policy or very much AGAINST it. There's not a damn thing that can be done about that, because it's such an emotionally charged issue by this time that people can't differ about it and maintain any kind of friendly dialogue with one another.

For that reason, I rarely comment on Israel at all on this forum. I mostly avoid the subject. Why? Well, I see no point destroying worthwhile friendships over a completely irreconcilable difference in basic core beliefs about who the "victims" are and who the "perpetrators" are in a longstanding dispute between 2 cultural groups.

The same is true of threads about the troubles in Ireland. I have no side to take in that one...but if I did, I would probably avoid particiapting in it too, and for much the same reasons.

It isn't worth it. Human relationships and friendships are more important than political loyalties.

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: CarolC
Date: 10 May 09 - 12:42 AM

It's even more of a sore point here in the US right now because we are coming to a very critical juncture in the way our government approaches the problem of Israel/Palestine. Which I think is one of the reasons discussions on the subject have become so heated of late. On the other hand, I think this discussion is helpful, in the way lancing a boil is helpful. A lot of stuff that has been festering under the surface for a very long time is now coming to the surface to be exposed to the light. In my opinion, this is a very good thing.

Discussion of contentious issues is not always destructive. Sometimes it's a part of a process of healing.

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: skarpi
Date: 10 May 09 - 08:57 AM

People here in Iceland ask them self this .

people who came from Germany after the ww2 and suffered the road to hell
as I call it , and was killed by the Nazi ,

are now taking people who have not done anything wrong , woman and children and older people to that road to hell , Isreali are doin the same thing to the Palistine as the Nazi did to them , not the same way
but killing people .

Now I have a question :
In the Holy bible , is there some thing in the bible that said
Isreali go and kill children and woman of palistine ?

I know the problem is Hizbollah and other fighters there , but this has gone to far .

in this war Israli have no go from me, I dont like their way of doin those thing s , Is the the hole Israli nation supporting the coverment in this ??

well I dont solve this here , but while the Isreal do their
war games on people who have not done anything wrong , I am
against Isreal , at the moment I dont get any stuff that is made in Isreal . and I have not done that for a hole year now.

kv Skarpi

Subject: RE: BS: WW3
From: bubblyrat
Date: 10 May 09 - 05:03 PM

You know,Skarpi,I think that maybe you might feel differently if you belonged to some persecuted minority Nordic race that had been hated,reviled,and discriminated against for thousands of years (the ultimate expression of Racism),had sought refuge in Iceland,and then had to suffer the insults and disrespect of and from the rest of the world,whilst your neighbours in Greenland lobbed rockets into your country on a daily basis with the sole intent of causing indiscriminate slaughter,whilst actively encouraging barbaric acts of terrorism by nutcase "suicide bombers" in your markets,cinemas,and places of worship,preferably killing as many Icelandic children and pregnant women as possible,with the ultimate objective of wiping out your entire race. In fact,I am quite certain,Skarpi,that under those circumstances,you would be among the first to support your government in its pursuit of Nuclear supremacy,in the interests of National Survival !! Never forget,Skarpi,that Armageddon is a real place.....in Israel ! They don't want war,any more than we do,but there is one difference that marks them out from the rest of us,and that is that if there IS a nuclear attack on them,and they look likely to be the losers,then when they go down, you can be sure that they will take the rest of us down with them ! So it might be a good idea to be NICE to Israel, after all, don't you think ??