In Praise of Traddies!

Subject: In Praise of Traddies!
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 21 May 09 - 06:31 AM

Cheesy fuzzy alert. I keep hearing how horrible and selfish traddies are, how they keep the music locked up in some mouldy basement like evil misers... It's lucky that these people obviously lock themselves up in their own basements along with their secret hourdes of treasure, because I've not encountered them.

I can't just keep on listening to these assertions, without piping up!

So, this thread is a big fat THANKYOU to all the warm, welcoming, helpful and generous traddy folky people out there: virtual and in 3D, academic and dilettante, amateur and pro', performer and enthusiast, from this forum and others I've visited, both in sessions and on virtual resources such as YouTube, for the CD's pressed upon me, the thoughtful constructive criticism offered, the creative input and inspiration, the time taken, the good humour, the sheer charming quirkiness, the fuzzy beards and free food... The lifts, the offers of tents, the camaraderie, and not least the immesuarable personal value that discovering this music and it's people, has been to me during difficult times.

Many of you will know who you are, many others won't. Thankyou for helping me to discover and immerse myself this wonderful tradition of music and song.

Phew that was cathartic.
Gushing fit over. I'll get a calming cup of chamomile, and return to learning Sovay now... ;-)

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: The Sandman
Date: 21 May 09 - 06:35 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K4-2laAOkI&feature=channel_pagethere are many more traditional songs on this site, google youtube dickmilesmusic

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 21 May 09 - 06:48 AM

Whether I was one or not, you are welcome, and your singing has been a constant joy to hear (and sometimes join in with whether welcome or not! (grin))

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 21 May 09 - 07:17 AM

Yeah!

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: Waddon Pete
Date: 21 May 09 - 07:22 AM

What a positive post, Crow Sister. Thank you for taking the time to tell us how you feel!

Best wishes,

Peter

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: theleveller
Date: 21 May 09 - 07:27 AM

Absolutely. Without traddies there would simply be no folk music.

For me, it started with the help and encouragement of people like the Watersons, back in the 60s, and has been a joy ever since.

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: Diva
Date: 21 May 09 - 12:10 PM

Most definately......from all the folk I have heard over the years be they floor singers or guests or academics I am here because I heard them and they had time to talk to a very young and gauche singer. In no particular order and I will forget a few:
Lizzie Higgans, Stewarts of Blair, Willie Scott, Nan Tait, Joe Rae, Heather Heywood, Cy laurie, Gordeanna McCulloch, The Clutha, JOhn Dillon, Peggy Rainey,Hamish Henderson, Jane Turrif, Stanley Robertson.........Maggie Macrae, Chris Myles, Aileen Carr.......Paddy Tunney, Sean McDonnagh

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: Diva
Date: 21 May 09 - 12:12 PM

Anne Neilson, Rae Fisher Mike Yates and on and on...

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 21 May 09 - 01:54 PM

Bit of a daft thread it seems no doubt, though I hope not...

I just got overcome with an inner "No, No, Nooooo!" at the unrelenting and blanket condemnation of some of the nicest and most embracing people one could ever wish to meet.
Traddies can get a terribly bad (and thoroughly undeserved) press on this forum from certain quarters. While my personal experience indicates to me that the complete opposite is true.

A liitle anecdote from a trad. folk evening spent with my Da, out in a Suffolk pub we'd never attended before.
We shared the table with another chap who had arrived before us because there wasn't much space. We strike up conversation easily and quickly and the evening passes pleasantly.
When we leave my usually mysanthropic Father is most impressed with chappy at the table, saying to me how jolly pleasant and affable he was!
I say to my Father: "But they're ALL like that! There's no such thing as being a 'stranger' or an 'outsider' with these people..."

I'd not thought about it before. But it's true. Of course they snack on the odd human baby and worry a bit too much about apostrophes', but grammatical fetishes and satanic child sacrifice apart, they are the best of people...
Plus I think I think I can almost sew my Girl Guides Traddy badge on now ;-)

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: Surreysinger
Date: 21 May 09 - 02:03 PM

Hey, if there's a Girl Guides traddies badge I want one!! As I think I've said to you either on here or elsewhere, Crow Sister, the overwhelming feeling I have about all of this is that we are all extended family - united by joint love of this music. Talking of pubs in Suffolk ... curiosity is rife ... let me know how it went?? And I'm looking forward to having the chance to meet up with you at Sidmouth (or elsewhere). Off to forage for food now

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: Acorn4
Date: 21 May 09 - 02:11 PM

We both range over folk, country, pop, comedy and blues. When we're in the trad "box" we can get totally absorbed by the music and the people who are a great bunch.

We wouldn't try to inflict a country song on them though or anything we thought generally wouldn't be their cup of tea.

When in Rome!

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 21 May 09 - 02:22 PM

Can I offer some gushing thanks too? Including to you. Pleasure to see and hear you perform. More than pleasure. Magical. Surprising.

You got one of those voices. Like out of mists of history. And presentation? Let's just say I would never get bored listening to you.

When is the CD out? What about the concert tour? Have you put link to that Ragwort recording on the new thread Mudcatters Music?

Really people. She is that good and sounds like no one I have ever heard.

OK my gush is over.

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 21 May 09 - 02:29 PM

""Bit of a daft thread it seems no doubt, though I hope not...""

Not from where I'm sitting, it's not. "Traddies", when you come right down to it, is an unpleasant term in and of itself. It categorises a group which is largely mythical, and does so in a denigratory way.

Lovers of traditional music have somehow been misplaced into a pigeonhole which truly belongs to exclusive cliques, and those are to be found, as a small minority, in every genre of music and every aspect of the folk arts.

True, there are a very small number of folk clubs which are exclusive in the sense that they choose to operate within fairly restrictive parameters. That is their RIGHT, and generally it is at least mentioned, if not exactly highlighted in their publicity.

I have never met a folkie, to the best of my knowledge, who espoused folk music absolutely exclusively, and would have NO truck with any other genre. I do not believe that any such exist.

Richard Bridge is a perfect example of what I am talking about. He is as devoted a follower of traditional folk music as you will ever find, yet, spend some time with him, and you WILL hear some very feisty, and enthusiastic renditions of hardline 60s Rock.

It's like any barrel of apples. There will always be the odd bad one, but the majority are fine.

Don T.

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 21 May 09 - 02:56 PM

Richard Bridge is a perfect example of what I am talking about. He is as devoted a follower of traditional folk music as you will ever find, yet, spend some time with him, and you WILL hear some very feisty, and enthusiastic renditions of hardline 60s Rock.

I think that's true of a lot of us actually. I'm into all sorts and everything and yet remain proud to be a Traddie; it's what I do in folk clubs & what keeps me going - to hear & sing traditional songs sung by other traddies, each of whom will have other things going on in their lives other than Tradition Folk Song. Hey, besides - Peter Bellamy called himself a Traddy (as in Boring Bleating Old...) so that's good enough for me. And a whole lot better than being a mere Folkie...

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 21 May 09 - 03:14 PM

I agree partly Don, I feel that all of my gushing post can no doubt be equally applied to 'traddy' and 'folky' alike, but it's the traditional folk enthusiasts specifically, who seem to be cast as covetous academics jealously guarding their private catacombs of dessicated (and meaningless) manuscripts. As you say they are also cast as virulent haters of all forms of music other than that which 'exclusively belongs to THEM.' All simply not so, and by a VERY wide mark. I don't learn exclusively E. Trads myself, though I do have a distinct attraction to them, and respect and affection to those who love them likewise.

As for 'Traddy' being a pejorative term however... Err, well I'd like to 'come out' on this forum as 'Traddy and Proud!' Such a relief to have it is the open too... >sighs<

Tam.. Whatareyoulike? x

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 21 May 09 - 03:23 PM

Yes, I was introduced to traditional music around 42 years ago and it has formed the basis of many firm friendships over the years.

I think that what a lot of people don't understand is that 'traddies' (if that's what we are) are not afraid of criticism or critical thinking. Unfortunately, to many 'non-traddies' (if that's what they are), the word 'criticism' is synonymous with 'slagging-off' - nothing could be further from the truth! It's about thinking about what you do and how you do it and trying to improve. It's also about helping others to improve in a mutually supportive and constructive atmosphere.

I have a treasured memory of the late, great Charles Parker (producer of the Radio Ballads) coming up to me after a floor spot in a folk club and suggesting ways in which I could improve my singing. He knew that I wouldn't take offence - and none was taken (I was flattered!). I took his comments on my singing on-board, worked on those points, and felt much more confident about my singing thereafter. I knew that what Charles was trying to do was not to discourage me, or put me off singing, but to help me to be the best singer that I could be.

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: Charley Noble
Date: 21 May 09 - 08:47 PM

"All the good traddies are dead and I'm not feeling so well myself."

I'm sure someone has said that already but, if not, I have.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: Art Thieme
Date: 21 May 09 - 10:03 PM

I was just today listening to a cassette of a 1963 radio show that Roy Harris---himself a trad singer extraordinaire---sent to me of a radio show with Lou Killen and Bob Davenport and Isla Cameron and Ewan MacColl plus several others. Also, a set of Roy leading the multitudes in song at Sidmouth in the 1970s. The singing was incandescent!!

Roy Harris ("Burl" here at Mudcat) and his wife Elaine are old friends I never do get to thank often enough. I think I'll e-mail him too.

Yes, a very nice idea for a thread, this is. The trad side is where I've been for the last 68 years ---- and most everyone there---alive and deceased--were just the best folks around. What a pleasure it has been to be part of it.

Love, to all,

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 22 May 09 - 04:57 AM

Thank you, dear Friend and Sister.

It was said to me 50 - odd years ago, when I first went to Folk Clubs "There are no starngers, only friends you haven't met".

The same is true of the 'Cat (pretty much . . . ).

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 22 May 09 - 04:57 AM

or "strangers", even.

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 11:49 AM

***REFRESH***

Of course you're also a bunch of impossibly grumpy old gits who never agree on anything and squabble like girls in the playground, but you do make me smile! :-)

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 01:08 PM

"Of course you're also a bunch of impossibly grumpy old gits"
How dare you madam!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 01:17 PM

"When we leave my usually mysanthropic Father is most impressed with chappy at the table, saying to me how jolly pleasant and affable he was!
I say to my Father: "But they're ALL like that! There's no such thing as being a 'stranger' or an 'outsider' with these people..."


You'll excuse me if...................



I have been shown more kindness, more support, more welcome, more love by acoustic singer songwriters, than I *ever* have by Traddies, who, for the most part, on this forum at least, have shown me nowt but spitefulness, narrow mindedness, bigoty, vitriol and pure hatred.

There *are* however, some bloody decent people within the folk world, but some of them are terribly wary of upsetting the applecart, and so they keep quiet in their support of me, despite agreeing with me off the record. I have always kept those people's names private and always will, for I do not wish to hurt their careers, because their livelihoods often depend on the spiteful ones....It has always made me feel sad that the folk world is run in this fashion, but heyho, there ya go.


And now, back to the gushing of the Masonic Folk Club.....

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 01:21 PM

I'm a traddy, Lizzie ~ & I don't always agree with what you say. But I do try to be civil, really I do...

Best of traditional greetings ~ Michael ~

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 01:28 PM

I don't know whether to bother to reply to that post of 01:17 Mudcat time or not. or not. I shall cogitate for a while. It certainly seems that the poster assumes that she has a certain importance.

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 01:37 PM

Oh poo, Richard...don't be so silly. Are you 'cogitating' right now? Can't you be arrested for doing that on a public forum?   ;0)

Oh yes, Michael, please don't worry...you come outside the 'who for the most part' bit...because I do recognise that there are some bloody decent people 'out there'...but there are some right pains in the whatsit too, and they've been a pain in my whatsit to the point where I can't really listen to traddie music any more without hearing their whingeing, whining voices, going on and on and on...

Barry Lister (a traddie) had me in absolute fits of giggles when I met him at Sidmouth a few times..and he's the most lovely voice, sings the songs with a real 'actor's feel', which you have to have to bring them alive.

But let's be honest, there are some bloody awful songs out there...what's that one that Martin Carthy sings? 'The Famous Flowering Thingyummyjigs' one, you know the title, it's left my brain cell for the moment, but it goes on for about 3 hours....Oh cripes!!!
Noooooooo!   Sorry, digressed into the music, rather than the people...

Yes, there are some lovely folks out there, but my goodness, WHAT did the world of tradition do to get the other ones??? It must have been awfulll bad!

Have you finished yet, Richard? Can I open my eyes now? :0)

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: MikeL2
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 02:02 PM

Hi crow sister

I know that you mean well but isn't this just a mutual admiration society ??

I am neither one side nor t'other.

regards

MikeL2

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 03:17 PM

Fair enough.

Lizzie, the reason people turn on you is nothing to do with your importance, although your recently manifested self importance might be a better cause. It is because you spout some of the most unmitigated rubbish and gibberish I have ever read on things you appear to know and worse want to know nothing about.

I have in the past suggested that you should be given a fair crack of the whip - but sooner or later you decide that whatever it is that pulls your chain is more important than a knowledge of the music you like or hate this week (or the people who perform it) and off you go again. Even they who you at a given time idolatrise have been moved to express the fact that the drivel you pour out is embarrassing.

Get it into your head. You are not important enough to have people "support" you. You are an irrelevance with a big mouth and a stupendous collection of ignorance and irrationality. There is no conspiracy against you (except perhaps by a few BNP morons and troglodytes).

And if you want to pick examples of dull songs and singers, you really have got the wrong ones with Martin Carthy and Famous Flower of Serving Men. It is a showstopping riff, and a tale with a stupendous and horrifying climax, consummately told by a man who was awarded an MBE for services to folk (and I suspect that the framer of the citation knew exactly what was meant by that) music.


Tell your "supporters" what you have ever achieved, will you? Is it not limited to being banned from a wider range of forums?

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 04:27 PM

It must be something of an "achievement" to mistake the epic storyline of fair Eleanor adopting a strategy of crossdressing to flee her spectacularly dysfunctional family, get a job as sweet William at court then tell the king to get stuffed when he finds out and wants to dress her up as a queen, as "bloody awful". Though so as not to confuse this "irrelevance with a big mouth" even further, it should be said that the stupendous and horrifying bit comes at the beginning, not the end. There's an English version of this ballad (entitled simply Flower Of Serving Men but 12 quatrains long which comes in at under 4 minutes. I recommend it for those whose absence of concentration makes listening for 10 too hard.

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 05:07 PM

isn't this just a mutual admiration society ??

Last time I saw her... CS was neither old nor grumpy and defo not a git.

God the insults are flying unchecked in too many threads... Is it a fucking full moon or something?

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 05:15 PM

Is it a fucking full moon or something?

I hope so! How do I get in on the action...

:D

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: GUEST,999
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 05:16 PM

"So, this thread is a big fat THANKYOU to all the warm, welcoming, helpful and generous traddy folky people out there: virtual and in 3D, academic and dilettante, amateur and pro', performer and enthusiast, from this forum and others I've visited, both in sessions and on virtual resources such as YouTube, for the CD's pressed upon me, the thoughtful constructive criticism offered, the creative input and inspiration, the time taken, the good humour, the sheer charming quirkiness, the fuzzy beards and free food... "

Ditto.

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: Richard Mellish
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 06:15 PM

CS said
> Of course you're also a bunch of impossibly grumpy old gits

Oh thank you for those kind words! It takes years to become a grumpy old git, and I for one still don't feel that I've reached the top-class expert level. So it's good to know that we're appreciated by one of the young whippersnappers.

Richard

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 06:31 PM

Oh Diane, I fear to disagree - but you compare

"T'was all alone I dug his grave
and all alone in it him laid
While Christ was priest and I was clerk I
laid my love in the cold grey (or clay) earth"

(which I think is the strongest verse at the front end)

with

"The fire took first all on her cheek
And then it took all in her hair
It spat and it rang in her yellow hair
And soon there was no life left there".

I have it down to I think 19 verses with a fair bit of pruning and without blowing my own horn, with my trace version of the Carthy riff it is I think my strongest and nastiest bit of work.

I must disagree with you: the fire is at the end!

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 06:31 PM

Yes, but the story gets lost, in the utter monotony of the song.

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: Mo the caller
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 06:32 PM

I'll echo the sentiments of the title. And add the people in dance clubs. Going to a folk club and a dance club when staying in Beverley to look after Mother in Law, we were made to feel at home. People spoke to us when out shopping. Made a difficult time bearable.
So thanks for the human friendship as well as the help developing musically and as a dancers and caller. It's a great community.

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 06:34 PM

Ooh, Richard, I don't think 'cogitating' agrees with you. ;0)

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 06:39 PM

Lizzie, buy a dictionary, and come to understand that learning requires organised work, and that ears are the better organ for understanding than mouths, and then have another go at rejoining civilised society in due course.

Until then your utterances are merely noise - devoid of semantic content.

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 06:50 PM

"I have it down to I think 19 verses with a fair bit of pruning.."

NINETEEN?????

Richard, people may have died of old age by the time you get to 17!

(methinks he's not going to be laughing at that one..)


Yes, I do write a load of old codswallop at times, but I think it's a backlash against the stultifying seriousness that surrounds so much English folk music. (Yes, I know I just lost 65 Brownie points for even referring to it as 'folk' music.)

I mean is it forbidden to be able to laugh in it's presence? Do you have to worship at the Holy Altar of Folk Music?

Gawd, I recall being in The Sealed Knot about a hundred years ago, and a chap started singing a song...30 minutes later, he was STILL singing it and most of the room had emptied, but he hadn't even noticed! It was one of those moments when you just knew you should have packed a shepherd's crook in your 17th century handbag.

Oh..and Richard, it took They Who Must Not Be Mentioned SIX years to say anything, despite one of them watching the BBC board for years...Shame they went over to The Traddie Side,(visions of a Star Wars Traditional Movie are now in my head) but heyho..

Come on, Richard, lighten up a little, eh? :0)

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 06:51 PM

Oh, pifle, Richard.

I think Traddies should be tickled, three times a day, during meals.

It would revive their Giggle Muscles.

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: michaelr
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 08:54 PM

Traddies can get a terribly bad (and thoroughly undeserved) press on this forum

Undeserved? I think not. They have none but themselves to blame for the way they (some of them) go on hereabouts.

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 10:32 PM

There's a fire at the end of some variants of (F)FOSM when the king gets rid of the wicked stepmother who organised the original slaughter of fair Eleanor's knight and knightlets. This is to impress her into doing what the king wants cos it would seem impolite not to. I prefer it when she rejects house, lands, frocks and such, much like Willie Of Winsbury did. It then becomes a tale of the triumph of nobility of spirit over evil and materialism.

I do like a good fire though. The one at the end of Fair Annie when the two sisters dispose of the rat who tried to fool them both is a jolly good blaze. I wonder if it's crossed anyone's mind to stage a re-enactment at Abbotsbury?

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: Art Thieme
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 11:15 PM

It wasn't worth looking back into this one...

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 15 Feb 10 - 02:55 AM

Michaelr, please see my "grumpy old gits" refresh post...

For my own part I take people as I find them - and I've found them colourful, quirky, informative, stubborn, grumpy and bemusing in equal measure. As well as thoroughly helpful, generous and supportive.
And I continue to find them so.

As for the 'mutual appreciation society' well, I was still but a wee traddy babby back last Spring. And I have still as yet to become old or grumpy enough to be of much use to fellow newbies to folk songs and singing. Though hopefully one day I will be..

Is it a full moon? Must be, dunno what possessed me to refresh this thread, think the lunar vibes bring out the mischief in me..

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 15 Feb 10 - 03:05 AM

Sigh! I absolutely hate that media has trained us up to be impatient with long ballads. Once upon a time these were the chief form of entertainment against the dark cold night.

I have nothing but respect for those who attempt to learn and render them in tact. I do my best to follow the story as long as I can hear what is being said. Sadly rooms tend to get noisier as a long piece progresses, making that impossible. I should add this comment to the Bad Boys - Long Ballads thread.

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Feb 10 - 03:09 AM

Whatever reason inspired CS to launch this thread, lighthearted or serious, it is interesting to note that it was a notorious non-traddie who felt it necessary to introduce a note of begrudgery into the proceedings - look to thyself Lizzie when it comes to 'giggle-muscles' - as somebody once said.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Feb 10 - 03:20 AM

Jumping to conclusions again, Lizzie - it takes me 6 minutes (FFoSM). Maui takes a little longer. There's no shortage of humour in any of my sessions and once again you are talking codswallop, very like a child who has never learned not to jump in with attention-seeking gambits.

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: glueman
Date: 15 Feb 10 - 03:24 AM

Traditional music has always been much too important to leave to traddies.

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 15 Feb 10 - 03:36 AM

Here ya go Lizzie, you'll just love this! Much better than those boring olden days songs that whine on forever and ever..
Will this joy never end!!!!

Otherwise folks, Ms. LC is a class master (or should that be mistress?) at winding you lot up...

Subject: RE: In Praise of Traddies!
From: Smedley
Date: 15 Feb 10 - 03:41 AM

I like 'Saturday Night' AND I like long trad ballads. They both do very different things very well.

Eclectic, or just crazy??