BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Gervase
Date: 11 Jun 09 - 06:26 PM

I wish to categorically deny I had any involvement in this despicable deed against you.
I shouldn't think anyone actually gives a flying fart whether you deny anything, DMR, apart from the holocaust. But while you're in denial - what about the questions that were put earlier about the BNP. Do you deny those and, if so, what evidence do you have?
Oh, I forgot - you don't answer questions, do you? Like George, you regard inconvenient truths as things that can be sidestepped. Don't let the facts get in the way, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: jeddy
Date: 11 Jun 09 - 06:25 PM

i was always taught that the egg came first..from dinosaurs.
hey AKE, why have you not responded to me? is the fact that i argued your' point got you in a flap( cluck)? light reading, could you tell me what that is? little books perhaps... janet and john sort of thing do you mean?
i was enjoying the english lesson but it still went over my hed, wen do we get prt 2? i tink i kneed it!!!

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: greensue
Date: 11 Jun 09 - 06:24 PM

I've now read the rest, so here we go:
The Borchester Echo," their new statements are a lot gentler". Yes they are and I think she believes in the change.
Ruth Archer, I am nieve as to politics, but as she has never treated me badly, I will treat her the same way.
Nick, she has not killed, nor has plans to kill anyone of any race or creed. the others eg Harold Shipman have. Nor do I believe she would. I do not think I am a nameless Troll either. Quit the mudslinging. You have not declared your party preference, but I can assure you mine is not bnp. I have never asked any af my friends which way they vote, but as long as they treat me and my friens (many are black, asian and gypsies) as they should, then I see no need to curtail that friendship. Besides without a comparison, how would we gnow what is good and what is bad? Percieved evil does not make it so in fact.
Fred, why not meet her first and make up your own mind instead of being persuaded by a lable.
Peace what is "Darkie Day"? I am not familiar with this title.
Gervase, if one shouldn't make assumptions, then don't.
Lox, I will take you up on your offer to little Hawk. I will arrive in my wheelchair and talk with them.
My Guru. Surely if you ostracise her she will have no-one to turn to except them. then she really will become the evil being you all think she is now. How can we steer her onto the right path if no-one is talking to her, but just shouting about the party.
Richard Bridge. How did we get onto paedophiles?
Don, I would try and persuade them otherwise. It was British people that voted them in. If more brits had voted it may have been different.
Anne Lister, she couldn't back out as the other person did because she doesn't yey realise that she's been taken in. I will continue to try gentle persuation but will not bully her as she has never tried to push her politics on me.
Little Hawk, you seem to share a lot of my opinions in life. Cary on being you.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 11 Jun 09 - 06:18 PM

This thread is supposed to be about the BNP. If in doubt read the thread title! Moving the discussion to dotted I's and crossed T's is more evidence that the BNP can only divert debate.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: GUEST,Daily Mail reader
Date: 11 Jun 09 - 06:07 PM

Richard,

I have just noticed you made a reference to me in an earlier post regarding the website Face Book.

I wish to categorically deny I had any involvement in this despicable deed against you. We are poles apart in our political views, but I respect your right to express your opinion and wish to state here I deplore the actions of whoever did this.

I am not a contributor to Face Book.

TB

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Dave Earl
Date: 11 Jun 09 - 06:06 PM

Do I detect a bit of a drift here?

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 11 Jun 09 - 05:53 PM

And the definitive answer is:-

THE HEN

It's the very foolish theory Of some very foolish men
That the egg is just the hen's way To make another hen.
That's what I hear them say But I differ, sir, to beg;
The hen, sir, is the egg's way To make another egg.

The egg's the main event; the hen's A temporary mode;
An interim device to get The egg across the road.
No hen has never fathomed Why they cross the thoroughfare;
To the hen it's immaterial; The egg needs to be there.

Some folk will go through life And never have the slightest notion
That the egg makes the decision And the hen supplies the motion.
The chicken's rather stupid; It's the egg that really plans it;
And so I say to you A hen is just an egg in transit

Plaudits to the irrepressible Les

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Jun 09 - 05:33 PM

The chicken, naturally.

But the grammar questin is not wholly a sideshow. The BNP is the aspiration of some of the ignorant to rule without learning.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: akenaton
Date: 11 Jun 09 - 05:33 PM

Rifleman....don't flatter yourself, very few people have seen me angry. Not even newbies with a posting history of 450, who tell me I should not be using this forum,especially when most of the posts consist of "one liners".

Why don't you stop shouting and try a little light reading?

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Lox
Date: 11 Jun 09 - 05:07 PM

Richard,

you haven't answered the most important question ...

... who came first ...

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Jun 09 - 04:38 PM

What goes around comes around, goes around, comes around, goes around...

Yep. Redundant. :)

What I really meant was: Hang on. The subject will be back.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 11 Jun 09 - 04:07 PM

I don't beat myself up at all, and if you can't handle criticism, you don't belong here...oh and I do believe I was right, your anger over such a little thing is waaayyyy out of proportion which was what I said to the aforementioned acquaintance when they first of all , vetry angrily, denied being racist

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: akenaton
Date: 11 Jun 09 - 03:59 PM

I really don't give a flying fuck what you think rifleman, so don't beat yourself up too much!

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 11 Jun 09 - 03:46 PM

"Good grammar has nothing to do with class.
so you didn't sit in class and learn English then? Lucky you....my parents couldn't afford private tutors.

"What goes around comes around...
I've always felt that this is quite one of the most redundant phrases to ever emerge.

Now back to FAR more important things..

"I have absolutely no interest in, or use for any form of racism!"

This was the favourite phrase of someone I once knew, turned out the person was one of the most racist human beings I've ever crossed paths with, so you'll forgive me, I'm sure, if I feel somewhat cynical about your claim.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: akenaton
Date: 11 Jun 09 - 03:26 PM

Hello Richard, as I think you understand, the society I described hopefully in my last post can never be achieved without radical surgery to what we have at present and the impediment to that radical surgery is not the BNP, but the Quixotic "Liberals" fighting stupid battles against "windbags"

The BNP are sad folks who will never influence many as long as we retain some sense of reason...they are a fringe group who are not worth the 300 posts sent in to this thread.
There are many important issues to be addressed before we see an end to the evils of this system but the rise and fall of the British National Party is not one of them.

By the way for anyone who is interested, I have absolutely no interest in, or use for any form of racism, but my opinions on racism do not blind me to the fact that "multiculturalism" as we see it practiced in the UK is a fucking joke!

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 11 Jun 09 - 12:31 PM

Good grammar has nothing to do with class.

LTS

Oh... 300!

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Jun 09 - 12:27 PM

What goes around comes around, Rifleman. :)

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 11 Jun 09 - 12:21 PM

Is this an English class or a thread dedicated to the BNP and what can be done about them?

Personally I don't care how you write it as long as it can be understood and the idea is gotten across.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Jun 09 - 12:13 PM

lay versus lie- in practice, isn't that difficult.
1. Hen lays egg
1. Hens lay eggs
1. I lay something (down)


2. Dog lies (down)
2. Dogs lie (down)
2. Humans lie (often)
2. As I was lying (expository)
2. As I was lying (confessional)


3. Hens laid 10 eggs (yesterday)
3. I laid something down (and forgot where I put it)
3. My speech laid an egg (a big zero)

Any more? Like Richard B, the casual misuse bothers me, but I've about given up on it. As character flaws go, it's not a real biggie.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Jun 09 - 11:51 AM

Lox, in your example the verb is transitive.

X laid you.
Subject, verb, object.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 11 Jun 09 - 11:16 AM

"I am sorry to disagree with you ake, but talking nicely to the bnp reminds me rather of the owl who sat down to dine with the lion.."

I've already spoken to BNP members......It's my choice and my choice alone

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 11 Jun 09 - 11:13 AM

"Multiple identities are not allowed,"

Telol that to the fucking BNP.

You got that right!

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 11 Jun 09 - 10:11 AM

Unfortunately these days there seems to be no difference between "discriminating between" and "discriminating against", so that it is now difficult to use descriptive language about a person without being considered 'racist'.
For that reason, any general discussion of the subjects of immigration, or ethnic integration, tends to become clouded immediately with claims of racism. For this reason (it seems) the major UK parliamentary parties avoid raising these questions. It is this unwillingness to appear to recognise any difference which allows the BNP to say that no-one else is doing anything about immigration/integration.

Azizi raises the matter of how Christians should view this. It was there even in Christ's time. The people of Samaria were considered 'outsiders' and not the equal of the local peoples. Jesus highlights this in the parable of "The Good Samaritan" pointing out that this member of a 'lesser' people did the right thing whilst the Priests & Levites (the 'great & the good' of the local people) passed by on the other side.

How little things change!

Nigel

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: theleveller
Date: 11 Jun 09 - 08:41 AM

Hope they were brown eggs.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Dudfoot
Date: 11 Jun 09 - 07:45 AM

I suspect he didn't mind the whites.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Lox
Date: 11 Jun 09 - 06:35 AM

Anyway, I think the eggs were thrown at Nick Griffin ...

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 11 Jun 09 - 06:25 AM

Lol!

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 11 Jun 09 - 06:21 AM

"There are two different and distinct verbs: to lay and to lie. The former is transitive and the latter intransitive."

So if I get laid, is that transitive or intransitive?



... She was a good lay, but she was only transitive ... and now i miss her ...

... or does that mean a good lay must be a transvestite ...


You see why I can't be bothered with good grammer ...

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 11 Jun 09 - 06:16 AM

"We are all debating and getting very very het up"

Me too.

And well done to all of us.

Debate like this is healthy, informative and thought provoking and an indicator of how most peoples consciences are switched on and their intelligence well and truly active and engaged with an extremely important issue.

So what if George isn't posting.

There will be some posts like those from Ake who resent not being allowed to blame foreigners for unemployment even when they are shown that the facts do not support that view.

And there will be rigs repetetive mantra of 'the end of the world is nigh - unless we do something about immigration'

and we can expect criticisms like "oh you're just a PC liberal" and comments about Kumbaya etc, but there will be nothing of substance, just reactionary bitterness.

George isn't posting because she hasn't a leg to stand on.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Jun 09 - 06:13 AM

If a lion lays, what do the eggs look like?

There are two different and distinct verbs: to lay and to lie. The former is transitive and the latter intransitive. They mean different things. Snarl.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: theleveller
Date: 11 Jun 09 - 04:12 AM

From today's news:

"An elderly white supremacist with a history of anti-Semitic tirades has opened fire inside the national Holocaust Memorial Museum, fatally wounding a security guard before being shot by return fire."

An indication of why we need to deny the fascists a platform for their views at every opportunity.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: fiddler
Date: 11 Jun 09 - 03:15 AM

Does the absence of said woman from this thread mean she has stirred up a hornets nest - and has now walked away.

We are all debating and getting very very het up (in my case) but meanwhile she sits at home totally unaware or not even bothered or laughing - comfortable in her own self righteous position that she is right and leaves us to sort ourselves out.

The debate is good and has been productive - we now have the Folk Against Fascism group on Facebook. With members on the other side of the world too!

We have some members of this forum on there and offering to donate funds for the cause.

I am seriously thinking about singing again - one forum suggested politics and folk should not be linked - but they always have - I started with protest songs way way back - I may return. It is about time I did.

Sorry Yorgos that you feel the need to change you handle - but good - we should make an effort to call folk by their given name. I just hate the reason you had to do it.

Andy

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Peace
Date: 11 Jun 09 - 12:17 AM

Someday the lion will lay down with the lamb--but one of 'em won't get a very good night's sleep.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Jun 09 - 11:09 PM

I am sorry to disagree with you ake, but talking nicely to the bnp reminds me rather of the owl who sat down to dine with the lion..

All societies have had restrictions on what the populace are allowed to own, do, and say. The question is where to draw the line.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Nick
Date: 10 Jun 09 - 08:45 PM

akenaton

Having had a look at a sample of you rposts I think you are not being quite straight with me.

I think you like her politics.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Nick
Date: 10 Jun 09 - 08:30 PM

akenaton

what an interesting post

>>Judging by his printing of a personal message above and his accompanying remarks to that personal message, I would rather spend some time in conversation with Miss Dale regardless of her politics, than with member Nick.

It was fairly obvious that she was a lot younger then (I'll live with 10 years if she said it was so - I always like to see the good side of people) - I don't think that what I quoted was a really startling revelation. You could see it was the same person. As I said to Joe when he deleted the posts after complaints. Was I wrong to post a link to a picture that exists on Mudcat and compare it to one posted as a promotional shot for the candidadate for the BNP which you can find on the internet (in many places) and the local media? Especially when the person comes on here to promote their candidacy.

Am I cruel to point out that she has not aged gracefully and that her views are really shitty? I think you and Little Hawk could appreciate from a freedom of speech position (2 e's by the way) that my position is as jusitifiable as hers. And at least I have the wherewithal not to run from dialogue and hide behind 'forum etiquette' and private messages.

Morally you have to decide whether forum etiquette or racial hatred is a greater evil. You know my position on that.

I think it more interesting that she sent it to me as a PM rather than engage here - and then the complaints come in. It's a little pathetic I feel.

akenaton if you'd rather chat to someone from the BNP on a principle of free speeech than me I can promise you I ain't going to lose any sleep.

What is free speech about? It is the freedom to express your views to influence people and potentially change things. Otherwise it is meaningless. THAT is what the principle is about and was always fought for.

>>Little Hawk as usual is perfectly correct...freedom of speach is a thousand times more important than any political party or set of political opinions, which in a couple of years will have been moulded into something completely different.

PERFECTLY CORRECT AS USUAL. You are not a FOLLOWER are you?

It's a joke albeit a cruel one.

>>As I said upthread Blair's actions caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands, yet most "liberals" would just love to see him back leading the "Labour" Party and the country. In comparison, how many deaths do you think the tinpot dictators of the BNP will be responsible for! For Christ sake try to develop a sense of proportion.

What has Tony Blair got to do with liberalism (or the labour party for that matter - Keir Hardie must have had some sleepless nights)? I think you misread the political climate of the UK. I think it more likely that Margaret Thatcher in her dotage would be elected.

>>But why worry eh? there's nothing the Mudcats like better than a good witch hunt :0), especially if the witch is a woman!

? Is this a personal thing? You can't beat a good chip. Would you like one for the other shoulder? This has nothing to with gender. It is about fascist views and the people who support them.

>>Wouldn't you all be better spending a while composing a defence of "multiculturalism" in the UK?.......Naw that could be a bit tricky and not half as much fun.

I could do that.

Are you racially pure? What race? What purity?

>>Somebody up above mentioned belonging to the Anti Nazi League, as was I and a member of the CP to boot!   It proved nothing simply making people more entrenched in their views and shedding a lot of blood in the process.

>>It will take many generations to make this society good, fair and fulfilling and none of these will be achieved by the actions of the "liberals" on this thread, as far as I can see.

I sense you have given up and joined the other side. You couldn't change people's views so you joined the racists - upholding the freedom of people to spout hatred rather than fighting for the freedoms of people who try to fight against stuff like that.

Sure I'm a liberal. It doesn't have inverted commas around it in my world.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Peace
Date: 10 Jun 09 - 07:48 PM

"Multiple identities are not allowed,"

Telol that to the fucking BNP.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: jeddy
Date: 10 Jun 09 - 07:00 PM

akenaton,
there is a slight difference between the bnp and those of our politicians who wanted us to go to war. the conservatives and labour we all know and we also know they will ignore our wishes and do what they please, however, i cannot think of one instance when lets say tony blair or any of the major politiacans went out on the street and caused a race riot, nor do they deny the holocaust, nor indeed do they say that all blacks, gays, and other 'undesirables, have no right taking our resourses and money, that in fact they should not even be in this country.

as for the wars in iraq and afganistan, i do not agree that we should have gone in, quite so quickly, but do feel that it is our duty to defend the freedoms of others around the world, it would have been better for everyone if we had done the job properly in the first place maybe then we wouldn't have had the terrible bloodshed we have had, although anyone with half a brain can see that MOST of that bloodshed is from iraq people on iraq people( i would have put the ie on the end but it didn't look right).

back on point, the bnp wouldn't have gone in to liberate iraq, they would like to nuke them and wipe them off the face of the planet, if you think that is better, that is your' right but don't expect me to just sit and meekly listen.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Folkiedave
Date: 10 Jun 09 - 06:02 PM

George doesn't just talk.
She decided to do something about it.
She decided to run for office.
That's how much she wanted Blacks, Asians, Gays and the disabled out of her life.

Let's not forget the hidden agenda too. They are not too fond of Jews.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 10 Jun 09 - 05:49 PM

I can't help it. Seeing all the messages telling (the other) George where to go and so on, feels weird and pseudo-personal. So I will be using my first name in its original Greek from now on.

And the first one to paraphrase it to "yoghurt" gets struck off my Christmas list...

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 10 Jun 09 - 04:48 PM

Meanwhile back on the relevancy track...

Nick Griffin Gets Paranoid.
from ITN News.

BNP leader Nick Griffin has urged police to "get a grip" of protesters who pelted him with eggs and targeted two press conferences.

The British National Party boss and his MEPs were forced to abandon their first joint press conference after an attack on College Green in Westminster on Tuesday.

Eggs were thrown by protesters angry at the far-right party's success in the European elections which saw seats for Mr Griffin and Andrew Brons.

Two people were hospitalised during the melee as protesters chanted: "Off our streets, Nazi scum" and threw eggs at Mr Griffin before he was bundled into a car by bodyguards.

Police said they are investigating allegations of common assault and a road collision after organisers Unite Against Fascism claimed Mr Griffin's security guards punched and kicked demonstrators in scuffles as they escorted him away.

Mr Griffin described the protesters as "far-left thugs" who had "resorted to violence" in defiance of the democratic process.

After further demos when he held a press conference in a Manchester pub earlier, Mr Griffin said: "There wasn't a huge police presence yesterday. The police let the mob run wild.

"I think it's very sad that a hostile mob which is partly paid for by taxpayers and backed by Labour and the Conservatives is allowed to get away with mob violence on the streets of Britain in 2009.

"I've got to go and visit constituents in places like Preston and Andrew Brons has to go to places like Bradford. The police need to get a grip on these people and stop them throwing eggs and bricks."

He added: "Like us or not we are a democratic party elected by people who have specific concerns they think we will address properly."

partly paid for by taxpayers, you say, Nick?

Wasn't it your sort who also stuck that label on the anti-Vietnam War protesters, on the anti -nuclear activists etc.....
Get a new script writer for godsake, you REALLY are getting boring!

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Jun 09 - 04:42 PM

Judging by his printing of a personal message above and his accompanying remarks to that personal message, I would rather spend some time in conversation with Miss Dale regardless of her politics, than with member Nick.

Little Hawk as usual is perfectly correct...freedom of speach is a thousand times more important than any political party or set of political opinions, which in a couple of years will have been moulded into something completely different.

As I said upthread Blair's actions caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands, yet most "liberals" would just love to see him back leading the "Labour" Party and the country. In comparison, how many deaths do you think the tinpot dictators of the BNP will be responsible for! For Christ sake try to develop a sense of proportion.

But why worry eh? there's nothing the Mudcats like better than a good witch hunt :0), especially if the witch is a woman!

Wouldn't you all be better spending a while composing a defence of "multiculturalism" in the UK?.......Naw that could be a bit tricky and not half as much fun.

Somebody up above mentioned belonging to the Anti Nazi League, as was I and a member of the CP to boot!   It proved nothing simply making people more entrenched in their views and shedding a lot of blood in the process.

It will take many generations to make this society good, fair and fulfilling and none of these will be achieved by the actions of the "liberals" on this thread, as far as I can see.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Jun 09 - 04:14 PM

Oh, a locust (anag)

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 10 Jun 09 - 11:26 AM

"Personally, I think it's the "Locust Effect." When the population becomes to concentrated, the locusts swarm and become destructive. Thin them out, and they become ordinary grasshoppers."

Hitler had the same idea, it was called the holocaust......

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Mr Red
Date: 10 Jun 09 - 07:25 AM

The problem with shouting your views is that people shout back.
Talking and listening is quite a lot harder.
And politicians who don't shout feel they are not heard.

George - politics is not for the faint-hearted the agro come with the territory, and rightly so. Opinionated people soon find other opinionated people have opinions too.

FWIW my politcal colour is that of pure un-adulterated water (where found). I see through them.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 10 Jun 09 - 06:45 AM

"People may or may not act on their beliefs, Don. Many do not act on their beliefs, they just talk."

This is the other thing.

George doesn't just talk.

She decided to do something about it.

She decided to run for office.


That's how much she wanted Blacks, Asians, Gays and the disabled out of her life.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Jun 09 - 05:12 AM

Well, it seems that someone is or has been posting as "Richard Bridge" and/or "Hoff Bridge" with loathsome support for the BNP and abuse for opponents on Digg and on Facebook.

It isn't me.

That is an action. And it tells you quite a lot about the BNP doesn'tit?

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Anne Lister
Date: 10 Jun 09 - 03:58 AM

I've been watching this thread with interest, waiting to see some response from George that would even begin to address the issues involved.
What's happening is a bit like the egging of Nick Griffin yesterday - I can see why people who don't know much or anything about the BNP might conclude that Nick and George are being picked on by opponents of free speech and that they're some kind of victim in all of this.

George, your choice of a political party to represent is not just a reflex or allergic reaction and it's a total cop-out to say you can't help what you feel. You can help what you do, and you can inform what you think. At least one BNP candidate in the elections was reported as changing her mind before the voting started because she realised she'd been taken in by the lies. You could have done the same.

Trouble is, I like my friends to have working brains, consciences and hearts. I've been doing some family history recently and have gone back over 300 years without finding anyone who wasn't from these islands, which means the BNP should be representing me and my family. They don't and I totally abhor what they say and do. Anyone with half a grain of intelligence can see how our culture, economics and civilisation have been enriched by immigration over the centuries. So why have you chosen to align yourself with a nasty, racist, tunnel-vision party led by unprincipled men? Please explain so we can try to understand even if we need to keep our distance from you.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: Stu
Date: 10 Jun 09 - 03:37 AM

"When they have an anti-social belief, however, and DO act on it, then I judge them by their actions, not by their beliefs."

They are acting on their beliefs LH - they are advocating racism and discrimination and denying the holocaust and the place in society of many of my friends and countrymen.

These people must be shouted down. They weren't in pre-war Germany and that led to the holocaust, they weren't in the US in the middle of last century and they lynched innocent people on the basis of their skin colour.


Southern trees bear strange fruit,
Blood on the leaves and blood at the root,
Black bodies swinging in the southern breeze,
Strange fruit hanging from the poplar trees.

Pastoral scene of the gallant south,
The bulging eyes and the twisted mouth,
Scent of magnolias, sweet and fresh,
Then the sudden smell of burning flesh.

Here is fruit for the crows to pluck,
For the rain to gather, for the wind to suck,
For the sun to rot, for the trees to drop,
Here is a strange and bitter crop.

This is very serious, and we will not allow these people to hijack our music and culture to achieve heir abhorrent ends. This is not happening here.

Subject: RE: BS: I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 10 Jun 09 - 02:49 AM

Walking out is counter-productive. A much more effective protest is to just turn your back in silence.