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Subject: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Royston
Date: 21 Jul 09 - 10:38 AM

For anyone interested in a tangible action against the fascist menace of the BNP, I urge you to join in the protest against them at their "Red, White & Blue" rally in Codnor, Derbyshire on 15 August.

Unite Against Fascism Have called for a mass demonstration at the village of Codnor in which the hardcore rag-tag bunch of racists and Nazis will be effectively "Kettled" in their lonely field of shame.

The demonstration will be civil, peaceful. It has the consent of the local authorities and Derbyshire Police.

Get the A5 FLYER

Coaches have been booked from around the country - for a list of embarkation points and contact numbers for booking of places, go to COACHES

Or make your own way to Codnor with a view to assembling at 09:00 on 15 August 2009.

Check the Unite Against Fascism Website for updates.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Royston
Date: 21 Jul 09 - 10:40 AM

Unite Against Fascism is calling on anti-fascists across the country to converge on Codnor, Derbyshire, at 9am on Saturday 15 August to protest against the British National Party rally taking place in the village that weekend.

UAF supporters intend to "kettle" the rally by surrounding it with protesters. This action will demonstrate that the vast majority of people in this country reject the Nazi politics of the BNP.


The BNP pretends that its annual "Red, White and Blue" event is a harmless family-oriented "patriotic" festival. In reality it is aimed at promoting the BNP's fascist agenda to both its hardcore followers and its softer supporters. Previous years have seen SS marching songs played as "entertainment" at the rally.

The rally will also be a magnet for neo-Nazis across Europe. Last year the BNP invited guests including Czech neo-Nazi Petra Edelmannova who has called for a "final solution to the Gypsy issue" and Sweden's Marc Abramsson, a Swedish fascist who campaigns for "racially pure kindergartens" that exclude non-white children.

This year's guests are likely to include representatives of Jobbik, a violently racist Hungarian Nazi party that organises pogroms against Roma people.

Weyman Bennett, joint secretary of Unite Against Fascism, said:

"The BNP's 'Red, White and Blue' is a nothing more than a festival of race hatred. The fascists will use their rally to harden up its supporters and build its army of thugs. Wherever the BNP organises, racist violence follows.

"Allowing this festival to go ahead will mean more race hatred and racist attacks on our streets in the months to come. That is why it is so important for anti-fascists to come to Codnor in huge numbers to surround the BNP's rally.

"The presence of two BNP Nazis in the European parliament also poses challenges for anti-fascists. We need to build the broadest possible movement against the BNP with roots in communities across the country."

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: jeddy
Date: 21 Jul 09 - 11:09 AM

oh bum i didn't see this as a different thread, i have replied to you via the FaF thread.

jade x x x x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: fairplay
Date: 21 Jul 09 - 12:31 PM

More attempted intimidation and mob rule from the UAF militia. This is the threat to democracy.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Royston
Date: 21 Jul 09 - 01:12 PM

Now fairplay, waving placards under police supervision doesn't really amount to a militia, does it?

What is undemocratic about it? BNP holds a political rally over three days, we hold a morning's authorised peaceful protest against the BNP. It's all quite equitable, lawful and democratic. Everyone has the right lawfully to protest against whatever they want lawfully to protest against.

The only militia appears to be Nazi Nick's mates at Redwatch and C18. Oh, and the long list of BNP core-members with convictions for terrorism and violence.

We will have teachers, social workers, musicians, students, housewives waving placards asking folks to be nice to each other. On the BNP side there will be criminal thugs taking pictures of those innocent members of the public and posting their details on the internet with instructions to find them and do them harm.

So don't start about poor old democratic, cuddly BNP-folk.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 21 Jul 09 - 01:19 PM

Use small and simple words on the posters and placards. From what I've seen, most of the BNP can't read very well.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: fairplay
Date: 21 Jul 09 - 01:19 PM

Kettling?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 21 Jul 09 - 01:21 PM

See what I mean?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 21 Jul 09 - 01:32 PM

"It would be really neat if people could take some pics of the poor sods who are in or support the BNP. They'd look lovely with their cute little faces on the www."

I think that is what fairplay is trying to say.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Royston
Date: 21 Jul 09 - 01:49 PM

fairplay;

Kettling?

It's the lawful [allegedly] tactic the state deploys against left-wing protestors at demonstrations; to herd them into a confined space. The term is used with some degree of irony! For a few hours on the 15th August, we want the symbolic appearance of the BNP "kettled" inside its field (which is exactly where the folks in the field have chosen to be anyway)

We are cooperating, and negotiating the extent of our lawful protest, with Derbyshire Police Service and the police directions will be observed in full. Entirely fair and lawful.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Smokey.
Date: 21 Jul 09 - 02:14 PM

Pity, I thought it involved old kettles and lard..

I'm not very far away from Codnor but I've a baby being born around the 5th so I doubt if I'll be there. I'll certainly tell everyone I'm in contact with locally though. Good luck, and take a camera.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: jeddy
Date: 21 Jul 09 - 02:18 PM

good idea smokey.
peferrably a video camera so you have proof that you are the innocent ones. and against the police too, you know how they can get!!!

jade x x x x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: GUEST,Dai
Date: 21 Jul 09 - 02:38 PM

Well said Royston!
The BNP is an organisation made up of race haters,hardcore nazis,anti semites and street thugs. Its original leader,Griffin's predecessor John Tyndall, can be seen on "google images" posing in full nazi regalia in front of a large swastika and a framed photograph of Adolph Hitler.
If these characters who are filled with violence and race hatred ever came to power we would see a grotesque rerun of Hitler's Germany with trade unionists, ethnic communities ,leftists, Jews, moslems,the diabled,gays and working class organisations all at risk.
We really can't allow this bunch of thugs to get even more organised.The BNP is being joined at its race hate fest by a grisly collection of fascist and racist thugs from across Europe....I hope they get the welcome they so richly deserve.
Dai

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 21 Jul 09 - 02:46 PM

Well said, Dai. As for their organization, they'd screw up a one-car funeral.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 22 Jul 09 - 05:37 AM

Are we allowed to bring tar and feathers ? If so, just point out fairplay to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 22 Jul 09 - 07:06 AM

I shall be there. Is there any chance we can form a Folk Against Fascism contingent?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Royston
Date: 22 Jul 09 - 12:30 PM

Fred, we could look at grouping together.

The demo assembles in the village from 9am.

There are speeches at 11am, then the march to the "field of shame", or as close as the police will allow.

So we could gather at a landmark in the village or one of us can attach a FaF guitar logo to placard as a visual reference. Good idea.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Emma B
Date: 22 Jul 09 - 12:57 PM

Sounds like a good idea Royston - can you post any details here please and maybe an opportunity to share lifts too

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Penny S.
Date: 22 Jul 09 - 02:46 PM

Would it be possible to do folkie things among the protestors just to emphasis that they don't own them?

I feel a bit apologetic about making this suggestion as I can't be there, and am a bit of a chicken.

Penny

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: jeddy
Date: 22 Jul 09 - 03:17 PM

i can't be there either but look forward to seeing or hearing on the news that our folkie familiy(brain blank) have been singing at the bastards!!!    lets face it there are loads of songs to choose from.

i can see sessions happening too if it isn't raining that is. fingers and toes crossed!!!!!!!!!!!!

take care all

jade x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 Jul 09 - 04:06 PM

As it happens, I will be in Lincoln that day, so might be able to make it over. It ain't far from there.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 22 Jul 09 - 04:06 PM

No BNP Festival site


Taken from the above:

>>>>>>Representatives of the Amber Valley and Derby Campaigns Against Racism and Fascism and Notts Stop the BNP campaign met in Heanor, Derbyshire on Saturday, June 20th to discuss plan for the protest against the BNP's Red, White and Blue festival this year, 2009.

The meeting agreed to organise a protest again this year's BNP festival on August 15th convening in Codnor Market Place. The protest will begin with as many local activists as possible assembling from 9 am. We expect contingents to arrive from elsewhere in the country leading up to a National Rally at 11 am with a demonstration to follow that.

The meeting agreed that the the objectives of the protest against the BNP's RWB festival will be:

to bring together those who oppose the BNP in a peaceful and unified show of mass opposition to this major national event of theirs;
to make clear to participants in the BNP event that they are not welcome in attempting to use Amber Valley as a base for their activities;

to attempt to make our protest seen by as many as possible of those thinking of attending the festival;

to encourage opponents of the BNP in the Amber Valley district and wider area to continue to campaign against the divisive policies of the BNP and the violent activities of their members;

to safeguard as much as possible the safety of those protesting.
Representatives from all of the campaigns planning the protest will be meeting on a weekly basis from now on up until the event itself. A number of organisations, such as UAF and Hope not Hate, had to send their apologies. It is hoped that they, along with sponsors of the event last year, will be able to attend the next major planning meeting planned for July 18th in the centre of Nottingham. The details of this will be sent to last year's sponsoring organisations and posted on this website soon.

This website will again be used to keep people informed of this protest as well as other campaigning activity in the Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire area. For further information please contact the email address associated with this website nobnpfestival at riseup.net
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Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 22 Jul 09 - 04:14 PM

You can get 'Hope Not Hate' t shirts from here:

Lancaster Unity - T shirts

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 Jul 09 - 04:24 PM

I'll be late: probably leaving Kent about 9 am, Lincoln about noon, and at the aptly named condom 2 or 3pm.

Postcode?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Royston
Date: 22 Jul 09 - 04:55 PM

Liz, actually UAF don't sell those shirts, you can get them from the manufacturers - Philosophy Football

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Royston
Date: 22 Jul 09 - 05:03 PM

Richard, there are no guarantees about this, but I suspect the police will be hoping the event will be dispersing by 2-3pm. The program appears to be speeches and rallying in the centre of Codnor at 11am, procession towards the field straight afterwards. I can definitely keep you posted by 'phone on the day.

Not sure about postcode but Codnor is an ickle place. It'll be in the SatNav as a recognised placename and that's all you'll need to find the action.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: fairplay
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 02:44 AM

Yes, the rival Hope Not Hate regard the UAF as a front for the SWP...check out the top names on Google and you'll see why.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Royston
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 03:01 AM

Fairplay, you really are a fool.

Hope not Hate is a campaign by Searchlight - the rather famous anti nazi / fascist group. It is significantly supported by may people/companies including, notably, the Daily Mirror. It is also supported by the TUC. Many of the HnH local brances *are* UAF branches.

HnH and UAF work together constantly, as UAF is a banner organisation trying to collate support against the facsists. SWP, like HnH are one of the partners in ant-fascist activism. UAF is not a *front* for anyone. You could accuse it perhaps of being a front for UCU (University and College Union) because they provide a lot of UAF's facilities and practical support, but that would not be a true accustion either. Is UAF a front for the TUC; because it receives a lot of backing there? Or a front for the trade union UNITE; because they are a large stakeholder?

What names on google? What will we see? I've tried and I don't see anything.

If you've got something to say, then say it clearly.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Royston
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 03:41 AM

Of course I could be clearer myself...

UAF has a policy of attacking the BNP with facts and information but principally by way of massed demonstration and non-violent direct-action (like egging Nazi Nick or just following him everywhere with the placards and the factsheets).

Hope not Hate's tactic is based on getting the facts and information out by way of media domination and community-based education actions like the "not in my name" campaign which encourages a broader range of people to sign up for anti-fascism, joining a number of famous people, principally from the world of Music and the arts. It's a rerun, and very effective, of Stop the War Coalition's "not in my name" campaign against the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

Social/Political campaigning has always needed both sort of groups and I'm proud to give my money to both of these.

Look through the news and other pages of UAF and HnH and you'll see a united front of cooperation in campaigns and ojbectives. Exactly as it should be.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 04:30 AM

Royston. I'll be making a mad dash over from Merseyside and travelling by myself. All being well, I'll be there by 11am, but hold ups, delays and best laid plans etc. If somebody could knock up a suitably large FAF banner then I and others will know which contingent to steer towards. Even better, if said contingent could sing some anti-fascist/anti-racist songs, that would help the demonstration along no end.

"Fred, we could look at grouping together.
The demo assembles in the village from 9am.
There are speeches at 11am, then the march to the "field of shame", or as close as the police will allow.
So we could gather at a landmark in the village or one of us can attach a FaF guitar logo to placard as a visual reference. Good idea."

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 04:51 AM

Christ I imagine the BNP will be soooooooooo afraid when the "Derby and Joan Folk club" arrive. I would almost go myself to see this. LMAO

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Royston
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 05:02 AM

Ralphie, the intention is not that anyone should be afraid. We're not bothered about having any impact or discussion with the hardcore in the field, because I suspect that they are just too far gone. It's about showing a mass disapproval of BNP fascism and grabbing the media. If some inside the field get the sense that the BNP might not be what it claims to be then great, that would be a happy bonus

More importantly its about decent, concerned folk having the chance to add their weight and to have their voice heard in a collective "shout" against fascism.

Nobody will notice Darby, Joan or Royston but we will know that we were there and that we made the effort along with the two to three thousand other people that together made a big statement. That's what is really important.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 05:05 AM

Troll...

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 05:27 AM

Royston. You've summed it precisely and concisely.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 06:08 AM

I'm expecting that "Guest Ralphie" above is the same lackwit who is impersonating Ralph Jordan on FaF

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 08:20 AM

Guest "Ralphie" -

Get back under your rickety-rackety bridge before I fetch Great Big Billy Goat Gruff to you.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: GUEST,George Davis
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 08:23 AM

THREE BNP THREADS IS TOO MUCH, PLEASE CLOSE TWO OF THEM.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 08:46 AM

George Davis is a BNP supporter. He's the poof wot 'angs with Fairplay.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 08:52 AM

Is Nick Griffith still the head of the BNP?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 09:29 AM

No, Griffin.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 09:30 AM

Not anymore.

GRIFFITHS

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 09:32 AM

People to watch for.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: fairplay
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 10:59 AM

http://slackbastard.anarchobase.com/?p=1307

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 11:01 AM

Hey. It's my favourite poof. How ya doin'? Did you see "George" yet?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 11:13 AM

"More attempted intimidation and mob rule from the UAF militia. This is the threat to democracy."

What twaddle, piffle, codswollop, balderdash: in short, what shite. That remark from you fearploy? I am atwitter, agog, at odds and ends, at sixes and sevens. To see a cross-dresser of your renown say such a thing is tantamount to treason as far as the BNP is concerned. You have diminished the stalwart reputation of the filthiest group of crap to enter the political arena in decades. Why, not since Hick Griffiths assumed the helm of the good ship--have you noticed he's gained about three stone since he got into politics? Is he spending too much time in the beer halls? Medical condition? Do you know? Anyway, stop taking me off course.

I hope you have a lovely day.

Nice dress, btw.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Royston
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 11:36 AM

fairplay,

I pay attention to all your posts. In the matter of yours @ 10:59, is there a point you'd like to make?

I'd hate you to think you were just being ignored.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: GUEST,George Davis
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 11:42 AM

Sadly this has slowly become another thread of insults and has lost it's way from the original intention.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 11:56 AM

I understand that BNP if ever to gain power, would eject all non white immigrants to UK, and indeed their descendants.

What are/would be their policies about All-White British-Nationals who currently democratically object to their policies - if they were to gain power?

Would any White British National who objected to (even perhaps peacefully demonstrated against) their policies of ejecting non-Whites, be ejected and 'sent elsewhere' too?

I'm just curious really.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Royston
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 12:03 PM

George,

'Peace' is making his own point. I'd say don't be scared off by that. Some people here are ready to talk facts and issues should you choose to raise any.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 12:50 PM

I'm ready to talk facts and issues, too. When "George" or "Fearploy" are ready.