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BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton

Smokey. 18 Aug 09 - 07:25 PM
Smokey. 18 Aug 09 - 08:43 PM
GUEST,Sam 18 Aug 09 - 09:38 PM
Smokey. 18 Aug 09 - 10:04 PM
SPB-Cooperator 19 Aug 09 - 02:06 AM
theleveller 19 Aug 09 - 03:35 AM
Richard Bridge 19 Aug 09 - 04:04 AM
sapper82 19 Aug 09 - 05:21 AM
jeddy 19 Aug 09 - 06:15 AM
Emma B 19 Aug 09 - 06:16 AM
Owen Woodson 19 Aug 09 - 07:16 AM
SPB-Cooperator 19 Aug 09 - 09:48 AM
Richard Bridge 19 Aug 09 - 10:26 AM
Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive) 19 Aug 09 - 01:53 PM
Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive) 19 Aug 09 - 01:55 PM
Peace 19 Aug 09 - 01:59 PM
The Barden of England 19 Aug 09 - 04:06 PM
Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive) 19 Aug 09 - 04:18 PM
Peace 19 Aug 09 - 04:31 PM
Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive) 19 Aug 09 - 04:43 PM
The Barden of England 19 Aug 09 - 04:58 PM
Richard Bridge 19 Aug 09 - 05:02 PM
Emma B 19 Aug 09 - 05:20 PM
Peace 19 Aug 09 - 05:34 PM
Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive) 19 Aug 09 - 05:40 PM
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Smokey. 19 Aug 09 - 09:46 PM
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Owen Woodson 20 Aug 09 - 05:13 AM
Emma B 20 Aug 09 - 05:41 AM
Owen Woodson 20 Aug 09 - 06:11 AM
Fred McCormick 20 Aug 09 - 06:30 AM
Tug the Cox 20 Aug 09 - 08:14 AM
theleveller 20 Aug 09 - 08:38 AM
Fred McCormick 20 Aug 09 - 10:43 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Smokey.
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 07:25 PM

I think Owen was being a little ironic - he made perfect sense to me, but seems to have been misinterpreted by Ms Beak. (No disrespect intended)


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Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Smokey.
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 08:43 PM

The Leveller and myself answered a guest posting with a perfectly valid and relevant point earlier, which has been removed. Perhaps it might be reinstated with a note about using multiple names? Censoring nutters is one thing, but this seems rather unnecessary.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: GUEST,Sam
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 09:38 PM

Good God in the name of Christ will you allow people the right to vote, speak and express views without rattling on with silly unsubstantiated worthless cut and paste articles from some smart arsed student rag.

Yes I attended the wonderful celebration of our heritage last Saturday, yes I saw "the great unwashed" arrive, frankly we viewed them as sad people out on their annual one day social occasion seeking to either make a deal for gear or to cause trouble. What in the name of God can a handful of luvvies ever hope to achieve by such actions ?

I want the Britain back I grew up in, I look at those beautiful Ealing studio classics and see the land my father and grandfather fought to protect from invasion and watch a Labour party filled with shirttail lifters standing on the cliffs of Dover with open arms to any Tom, Dick or Harry.

Those arrows on the lead titles of Dad's Army aren't fictional, they are the reality of government policy to destroy this once great nation.

Delete my post if you wish, sometimes the truth is the hardest pill to swallow.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Smokey.
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 10:04 PM

The people who fought WW2 were protecting us from Fascism, Sam, not immigrants. They would be disgusted to see the freedom they fought for abused and misused so as to allow fascism in through the back door.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 02:06 AM

You just don't get it, do you? I am really getting fed up of repeating this point over and over again.

If racist bigots who are committed fascists and neo-nazis want to vote for a nasty party that represents their nasty views, like the BNP, then it is their choice... at get on with it, and I don't give a toss what people like that vote for and to be frank we are better off when they are all in one party where they can rot in their own bile rather than spread their venom through mainstream politics and decent society.

What these protests are about is to draw attention to intelligent people who may be disillusioned with the main political parties to be aware of what the BNP stands for and the extent to which it is supported and organised by criminals including people who murder pregnant women. Do you think the court records in public domain are "smart-arsed student rags"?


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Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: theleveller
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 03:35 AM

Oh, Sam, I love your Hitleresque rantings - you really are a total caricature of yourself. It's wonderful to see someone like you pissing on their own bonfire.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 04:04 AM

Does that ranting buffoon (Sam) have any idea what he sounds like?


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Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: sapper82
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 05:21 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: SPB-Cooperator - PM
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 06:35 PM

So what do you want to do with people who need social care? Exterminate them??????


Sadly, with the steady drip drip drip of consessions made towards assisted suicide, thanks to the "Death wih Dignity" campaigners, we are already well along the road towards that without BNP involvement.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: jeddy
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 06:15 AM

why would death with dignity, be a bad thing? i am not talking about the mentally ill here but people who will die an agonising and terrible death.

i know if i ever have to make the choice, i will choose death by herion overdose please.
first you are in cotton wool then you slip away without being aware that you have stopped breathing.

whay has this got to do with the BNP? they want to murder people not be sensitive to their suffering.

the other difference is the BNP want only to murder selected people as owen stated, i only want to stop sufering and degridation(?).
treating people with respect and humility is not something the BNP are known for.

on that cheery note i will get on with the seriously hard buisiness of waking up!

have a great day all

jade x x x x


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Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Emma B
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 06:16 AM

Sam, or whatever name you are choosing today, you say you were at Codnor but your report seems strangely out of synch with this report from Reuters

'I went to the anti-fascist protest against the far-right British National Party's annual summer "festival" on Saturday fearing trouble….

But the atmosphere as hundreds of demonstrators from across Britain descended on the village Codnor in Derbyshire seemed more one of cheerful determination to celebrate and protect multi-cultural Britain than a belligerent mob set on fist-fighting in fields….

It seemed to me that the assembled variety of ages, races and religions perfectly reflected what is great about modern life in British cities.'

Perhaps you were one of the people, as reported in the Times online targeting children as recruits for the BNP's youth wing.

No doubt the 15 year old boy who tormented a 14 year old British born girl and fellow pupil of mixed heritage in Lincolnshire with taunts of 'wog', 'gorilla' and 'golliwog'. and 'Go back to your own country. You don't belong here.' until she attempted suicide was one such 'happy camper'

One thing for sure Sam, THESE people are NOT 'luvvies'


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Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 07:16 AM

Jeddy and others. Sorry that was just my way of saying that with all the bogies which the BNP seems capable of dreaming up, you'd wonder that any one of them would have the time to post so many troll messages on a board like Mudcat. The point as Ollie Beak seemed to pick up, was that fruitcake clearly only has half a brain.

On the other hand, surely anyone with half a brain would be overqualified for membership of the BNP?


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Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 09:48 AM

My comment was not part of the "Death with Dignity" debate but a reaction to the attack above on social workers, without whom a large number of people who need care services would not be supported.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 10:26 AM

And who daily have to battle with thier management whose only concerns areto keep within budgets (and when something goes wrong, pass the blame downwards).


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Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 01:53 PM

"Good God in the name of Christ will you allow people the right to vote, speak and express views without rattling on with silly unsubstantiated worthless cut and paste articles from some smart arsed student rag."
GUEST Sam or whomever

oh you mean support nonsense like This
get real and get a life, sushine!


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Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 01:55 PM

what I actually said was....

"and doesn't even have half a brain, but that goes without saying"


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Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 01:59 PM

"Delete my post if you wish, sometimes the truth is the hardest pill to swallow."

That's an excellent example of a comma splice.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: The Barden of England
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 04:06 PM

Well GUEST-Sam, weren't 'Those arrows on the lead titles of Dad's Army' something to do with the way the Nazis had marched across Europe, and were threatening 'those beautiful Ealing studio classics' and 'the land my father and grandfather fought to protect from invasion'?
What an utter PRAT you truly are! You are one big idiot; try that for size.
John Barden

Oh, I now expect another fake John Barden to appear on various sites - you still don't bother me one whit - arseholes are useful - would that you had one!


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Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 04:18 PM

"I want the Britain back I grew up in"
-GUEST Sam (or whatever your name is)

It never existed, except in Ealing films, and your, what passes for, a mind of course.

Britain had, long before your existence, a policy of immigration, I believe some groups were already in second or third generation removed from their ancestor's arrival, that was around the time of my dad's childhood, in the late fifties and early sixties, infact where he grew up in Birmingham, the neighbourhood (Handsworth) was what we would now call a multi-ethic area, and everyone played and hung out together with no problems at all. No, the real problem here is the BNP and their sort, and there are ways of solving the said problem.

Stand and be Counted!
Olivia Beak (Ms)


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Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 04:31 PM

Olivia, you are one feisty gal. Good for you.

Barden of England: bravo.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 04:43 PM

Just relating some family history to illustrate a point, Peace. I have a full e-mail from my dad about growing up in Handsworth and it bears a far closer version of what one part of England was like.

And From Our Strange But True Department

if you look carefully at the results for the 1966 General Election results in Smethwick (scroll down), you'll see in the third position a party with an eerily familiar name, click on the link.
Smethwick (UK Parliament constituency)
It wasn't all hearts and flowers.

Stand and be Counted!

Olivia Beak (Ms0


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Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: The Barden of England
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 04:58 PM

Ollie Beak - that is so enlightening. Absolutely magic - thanks.
John Barden

I'm standing, and I'm happy to be counted


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Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 05:02 PM

Well, it goes back a lot further. The history of the Brick Lane areas of London, and all of the areas that a strong man could reach from Paddington station carrying a suitcase (once there were railways) will show you wave upon wave of immigrants taking shelter in England over the centuries and helping to forge the vigour of British life.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Emma B
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 05:20 PM

Not just London!

There was a wave of immigration following the progroms against the Jews especially in the 1880s

"Those leaving the Russian Empire sailed from the ports on the Baltic coast, primarily Libau [now: Liepaja, Latvia], Königsberg [now: Kaliningrad] and Szczecin [Stettin, Poland].

Most dreamt of going to America, but those who could not afford the fare over the Atlantic Ocean took the short voyage to Denmark or Sweden, or further on to England, where either they would work hard trying to save money enough for the next part of the journey or subsequently choose to settle down and make their life.
For the majority of Russian emigrants whose planned destination was England it was often the case that they had the name and address of a friend or relative who would assist them on their arrival.

A report on Leeds in 1888, by the (UK) Select Committee on Immigration stated, "During the last twenty years there has been a steady influx of Polish-Russian Jews. The greater part come from the province of Kovno, and on starting, are often acquainted with but one word of English, 'LEEDS'."

Jews were attracted to this city by the rapidly expanding clothing industry where both wages and working conditions proved superior to those in London or Manchester."

The main community for Jews in Leeds was The Leyland; my ancestors eventually completed their diaspera over the Pennines but retained the name 'Leyland' (my maiden name) as a 'naturalized' family name.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 05:34 PM

And not just England (UK). Canada is a nation of immigrants.

The following is from Stats Can.

"Over the past 100 years, more than 13 million immigrants have arrived to forge a new life here, making Canada one of the world's most ethnically diverse countries. Most came from Europe during the first half of the twentieth century. Later on, non-Europeans started arriving in larger numbers as economic immigrants or refugees, or as family members of previous immigrants.

By 1970, half of all immigrants were coming from Caribbean nations, Asia and South America. In the 1980s, a growing number were arriving from Africa.


View data for Chart 13.1In the 1990s, 58% of Canada's immigrants were born in Asia (including the Middle East); 20% were from Europe; and 22% came from the Caribbean, Central and South America, Africa and the United States. Most (73%) settled in Toronto, Montréal and Vancouver, transforming the ethno-cultural composition and socioeconomic dynamics of these cities.

In 2001, 10.3 million people—nearly half of Canada's population aged 15 and older, not including Aboriginal peoples—reported British, French or Canadian ethnic origins, or some combination of the three, reflecting the long history of British and French peoples in Canada. Meanwhile, 4.3 million Canadians reported other European origins, 2.9 million reported non-European origins, while 3.3 million reported mixed ethnicity."


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Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 05:40 PM

I wonder if Sam or whatever he/she is calling him/herself in this hour, is a Beatles fan? I ask because of this little snippet of information concerning a character in one of the tracks from Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band

What A Scene
and
Lateof Pablo Fanque's fair

Can this be the fantasy England of our reader? *LOL*


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Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Folkiedave
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 06:30 PM

if you look carefully at the results for the 1966 General Election results in Smethwick (scroll down), you'll see in the third position a party with an eerily familiar name, click on the link.
Smethwick (UK Parliament constituency)


Peter Griffiths who won in 1964 used the slogan "If you want a n***** neighbour, vote Labour. He stayed in the Tory Party and eventually became a much toned down (at least in public) Tory MP for Portsmouth North.

Adrew Faulds who won the seat back was of course a well-known radio actor (Journey into Space. loads of film and TV) and known as a bit of a left-winger in those days. He supported the Palestinian Cause quite vehemently.

But I digress. Sorry for the thread drift.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Smokey.
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 07:15 PM

If our spite shouting shite spouting little fascist chum were to be completely ignored, he'd go away. He's getting just what he wants at the moment. Just a suggestion.

On the other hand, it provides an opportunity to mock the afflicted without transgressing the rules of 'political correctness', and while he's preoccupied on here, he isn't out vandalising phone boxes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Smokey.
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 09:46 PM

And how are your knees after and evening like that?

You're a true poet mate, have a cigar :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Smokey.
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 10:04 PM

Oh dear, and I only learned about comma splices a couple of hours ago...


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Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 10:06 PM

LOL ya dizzy bugger.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Smokey.
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 10:09 PM

Yup..


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Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Smokey.
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 10:29 PM

Here's a little poetry to cheer you up. A sentimental slice of English culture.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Smokey.
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 10:39 PM

Come to think, most non-vampire Britons are asleep by now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 05:13 AM

"if you look carefully at the results for the 1966 General Election results in Smethwick (scroll down), you'll see in the third position a party with an eerily familiar name, click on the link.
Smethwick (UK Parliament constituency)
It wasn't all hearts and flowers."

A little bit of history. The (former) British National Party was one of an assortment of right wing ragamuffin organisations from which the National Front was formed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Emma B
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 05:41 AM

More history -

A Century of British Fascism

from the 1958-68 period

'the NF's voting base was disenchanted Labour voters in the major conurbations.'

and 1969-79

'The party's earliest activists had placed themselves and the NF to the right of the Conservative Party and had assumed that the NF would appeal predominantly to disgruntled ex-Conservatives, but the 1960s were to prove that a more significant source of support would be racist voters.
Many but by no means all were working class in origin, and many - but again by no means all - were usually Labour voters; they were often in inner-city working-class areas or on peripheral council estates, especially in provincial cities such as Leicester and Wolverhampton.
In fact, the NF was one of the first extreme-right parties in Europe to use crude expulsionist anti-black and anti-Asian racism as the prime basis of its electoral appeal.'


.....A failure to learn the lessons of the past by New Labour but not one lost on Griffin!


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Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 06:11 AM

Emma B and disgruntled ex-labour voters.

Yes, and let it not be forgotten that Enoch Powell doubled his vote in the 1970 general election. The first one after his infamous 'rivers of blood' speech.

Life would be a lot simpler if the enemy was confinded to gout ridden ex-colonels and litte englanders, who sign themselves 'Disgusted from Tunbridge Wells". But a large part of Fascism's support has always come from reactionary elements of the working class.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 06:30 AM

I've just had a message from Hope Not Hate about an anti-Islamic march which is to be staged in Luton on September 19th. Part of it reads:-

"In a few weeks time, football hooligans, far right extremists and Islamophobes are planning to descend on Luton, with a simple goal - to whip up fear, religious tension and violence. And you won't be surprised to hear that the BNP are involved.

"The last time the anti-Islam protesters marched in Luton, gangs of thugs stormed the predominantly Muslim area of the town, smashing up cars and shopfronts along the way - and forcing law abiding men and women to flee or fight to safeguard their homes and families. Riot police had to be deployed and 35 people were arrested. We can't let this happen again."

The message goes on to request everyone to email the Home Secretary and the Chief Constable, via the following link, requesting them to ban the march.

http://action.hopenothate.org.uk/luton

Codnor showed how responsible anti-fascist protestors can be. We do not and should not expect anything but outright thuggery from demonstrators on the far right, and we cannot allow them to take over our streets.


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Subject: BNP in Luton
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 08:14 AM

Go to this link to trybto stopman antio-islam march in Luton.


http://action.hopenothate.org.uk/page/speakout/luton


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Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: theleveller
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 08:38 AM

Re: disgruntled Labout voters.

I think this is born out by the fact that the BNP's "success" in the East Riding in the European Elections to a large extent stemmed from the fact that Hull is the biggest conurbation in the constituency. Lots of disgruntled Labout voters and one of the most racist cities in the UK. It may also have been a protest against the elitist Conservatives and UKIP, who have previously dominated the vote. It's worth noting that the Green Party were only 20 votes behind the BNP.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP in Luton
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 10:43 AM

I've already posted a message about this on the Codnor thread. Tug presumably didn't see it, but it would probably be better if we stuck to that one.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: GUEST,Steve Howlett
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 11:45 AM

Further up this thread, Guest BNP Troll Sam burbled:

"I want the Britain back I grew up in, I look at those beautiful Ealing studio classics and see the land my father and grandfather fought to protect from invasion ..."

and

"Those arrows on the lead titles of Dad's Army aren't fictional, they are the reality of government policy to destroy this once great nation."

Says it all really. He wants to live in an old film (in black and white?) and he thinks the arrows in the Dad's Army title sequence represent waves of immigrants. Of course! That's why the arrows are black! [Slaps head.]

He's not in the real world at all. A few years ago the BNP (or it might have been the NF - they all look the bloody same to me) started an alternative football league table where goals scored by black players didn't count. I wonder who's top of the league now.

Some of us might sing songs about how jolly it was to be a farm labourer in the days before electricity, penicillin and employment rights, but we don't actually want to turn the clock back.

We are the boys of the BNP
Marching backwards into history.
We don't care for diversity,
We want to be in an old movie!


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Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 01:46 PM

"A little bit of history. The (former) British National Party was one of an assortment of right wing ragamuffin organisations from which the National Front was formed."
- Owen Woodson

All this is mentioned in the Wikipedia entry, and a "A little bit of (personal)history" This was an area I studied whilst at university, plus the fact that my dad was very familiar with the goings on of the various right wing/fascist groups that were around at the time, I"ve learned my history lessons well.

Olivia Beak (Ms)

shocked and appalled in Reading (not really *LOL*)


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP in Luton
From: Emma B
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 01:47 PM

Well the Codnor protest is over - lets keep Luton flagged up please -if it's not possible to have 2 threads on 2 different events

meanwhile.....

Here is a scary photo from the May demonstration.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 02:56 PM

I combined the Luton and Codnor threads, because similar messages were being posted in both threads. Since Codnor is past and Luton is coming, I changed the thread name to emphasize Luton - but there apparently is not date for any activity yet.
Please note that we are being very strict about the use of poster names in this thread. If you post at Mudcat, you must use one consistent posting identity. And, as always, civil conduct is expected.
Also, since these threads are primarily political and rarely give more than lip service to folk music, they will be considered non-music threads.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: GUEST,Sam
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 03:56 PM

Islamists in Britain have celebrated the deaths of British soldiers in Afghanistan on the Internet, cheering the Taliban on and expressing the desire for even more British soldier casualties.

On the website "Islamic Awakening," which bills itself as working to provide "authentic knowledge and guidance with regards to everyday duties Muslims offer to Allah, such as Jihad etc." posts have been made saying that the "bros" in Afghanistan are "going to push for the next century" and "round it up to 300" deaths, amongst other comments.


The first messages were posted on Sunday, with a poster calling himself Ismaeel writing: "Man, they really are dropping like flies over there.

Another, calling himself AbuJunayd, wrote: "On a side note, you reckon the bros are gonna push for the next century, round it up to 300. Inshallah the more the kuffs(*) deploy, the more the bros will send em back in body bags, or crutches or with serious psychological problems. May Allah give the Mujahideen Sabr,m reward and victory." (* = kuffs is slang for kuffars, or non-Muslims).

Another poster, Wazir, said: "By command of Allah, the invading forces will be forced to withdraw humiliated and defeated by a group of men who between them do not possess even one transport helicopter."

Noorah said: "They are really getting whooped. Don?t know how they think they can win."

The Islamic Awakening website's founding charter states further that its purpose is to "face the ideological onslaught waged on the Muslims by exposing the doctrines of deviancy and disbelief, such as secularism, socialism, democracy and nationalism" and to "preserve the true meanings of some of the important Islamic concepts, such as'Jihad','Commanding the Good & Forbidding the Evil','Love and Hate for the sake of Allah'from the unblessed scheme of the hypocrites and disbelievers who are working tirelessly to redefine Islam under the pretext of 'curbing religious extremism and intolerance'."

Only a few days ago the Labour Government announced that it would be scaling down its spending on trying to combat Islamic extremism in Britain "because Muslims are being stigmatised."

So these are another few for you to hug Emma.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 04:09 PM

Disinformation is such a wonderful thing. The BNP and their lackies are the masters at it, using lies, innuendo and plain old "let's make it up as we go along"
You see I have a problem with extremists on all fronts of the political spectrum. I wonder why the BNP and their lackies think they're any better than Islamic extremists, seems to me they're different sides of the same coin ( of course! the BNP are white...THAT's the difference!)
Self-righteousness must be such a wonderful thing, eh, Sam, or whatever you're calling yourself this hour


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Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: GUEST,Sam
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 04:20 PM

Ah my dear it would take a little more than a few sad comments of a troll to get me going, add me on facebook ;)


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Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 04:25 PM

Hardly a troll, Sam or whatever you're calling yourself this hour. I"m someone who's experience your sort of trash racist talk all my life. Facebook, right that just about sums you up, that and what the next fashion trend will be.

Like I said, who's worse you or the Islamic extremist you profess to hate. You can add me to your hate list by the way, not being white and all that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 05:00 PM

Do you know what, Sam or whoever you are?

I know, you know and anyone else who has more than one brain cell knows what you are and what you stand for. I can tear your drivel apart but do you know what, I don't have the time or energy or write detailed responses.

The evidence is out there, in the BNP's own words and actions.

You aren't worth a second of my time and attention.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 05:06 PM

By the by, a nice piece of divide and conquer on Sam or whatever it's calling itself this hour, asking me to add him/her/it/ on facebook (sorry I have no facebook account), as if I have some familiarity with is odious creature, though I can't but help not being able to shake this feeling that Sam or whatever it'a calling itself this hour is known to us here at Mudcat, a regular if my feeling is right......white man speak with forked tongue, eh Sam or whatever you're calling yourself this hour?

Stand and Be Counted

Olivia Beak (Ms)


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