BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 07:15 PM

Yeah. It's like summer camp but with ambiance.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 06:13 PM

Nice pics Peace, are you going there again next year?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 06:09 PM

And you were right, SPB, as was your post.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 05:33 PM

I thought I was being civilised

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 05:15 PM

Oh, yeah.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 05:05 PM

I agree with Smokey.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 04:35 PM

Hmm.. good job we have religion to keep us all civilised.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 04:29 PM

I've an idea that more than a few wouldn't mind the USA being a "Christian Right" totalitarian theocracy

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 04:20 PM

Contrariwise, Iran is a totalitarian theocracy, and many do categorise the "Christian Right" in the US as hateful warmongering sexist homophobic fascist crusader bastards.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 04:17 PM

or even the vast majority of Muslims are nice people.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 03:31 PM

Or to put it another way, there is a big difference between fact and opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Royston
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 02:45 PM

Stringsinger: Whenever there is a totalitarian theocracy threatening insecure people

I'm not taking a pop at you but I would like to "freeze-frame" at this point because it would be very useful to deconstruct that statement.

You are a liberal-minded poster and obviously not a BNP sympathiser so it's important to step outside of the conversation for a moment and ask yourself why you might feel that Islam, or Muslims, constitute an organised institution (such as a totalitarian theocracy) that might threaten people. Can you identify any evidence for that particular belief or perception?

You see it's a right-wing tactic to propagate low-level scare stories and misinformation that has exactly the effect of leading even the most decent people to believe that they know a thing to be true, when in fact it is not.

When people restate their assumptions about Muslims or Islam, they often realise that of a group of 1.2bn human beings, all the assumptions held tend to come from the constant media insinuations of Taleban, bin Laden, Abu Hamsa, Ahmedinejad and the Iranian Revolutionary council of 12 clerics.

George W. Bush invaded Iraq, with all its consequences, because God told him to (GWB actually said this to Jacques Chirac in an official, minuted meeting and you can read about it in Chirac's memoirs) but Christian's aren't painted as warmongers. 12 individual Muslims on 11/9/2001 killed one hundredth (3,000 dead) of GWB's death-toll (about 300,000 on the lowest estimates) and yet those 12 lunatics somehow managed to seal the fate of the other 1.2bn Muslims in the eyes of some observers?

In the face of a poisonous media that hungers for the extremes of all things and has no interest in normal, mundane or average, one has to be very careful about realising the difference between what one is told and what one actually *knows* to be true.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Stringsinger
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 11:54 AM

The big obstacle to keep the BNP supporters from rallying is the under-the-surface
reaction to Islam.

This is probably what is fueling this reaction.

Whenever there is a totalitarian theocracy threatening insecure people who have their own
equally rigid theocratic views, you have a BNP.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: jeddy
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 08:29 PM

x x x x x :0) x x x x x

take care all

me x x x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 08:05 PM

I know, Jeddy. I will never forget waht you wrote me. I do know you're on the side of the angels.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: jeddy
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 08:04 PM

got you!!!!! just didn't know where that was coming from.

why is it you always assume i am being bossy peace? you should know better than that!?

jade x x

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 07:59 PM

BTW, Jeddy, the cross-dress remark was relative. It was for Sam and his 'wife'. She wears the pants and he wears the dress

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 07:58 PM

"please keep ypur insults either funny or relative."

Yes ma'am, whatever you say, ma'am.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 07:56 PM

Hi, Helen. Lose your cookie? Vile? Lady, I haven't tapped the spring of vile. Get back to your bottle and leave decent people alone.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: jeddy
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 07:55 PM

i like the farts insult, but what has cross dressing to do with having no brain? please keep ypur insults either funny or relative.

cheers

take care all


jade x x x

ps my network has been out for a day so i haye yet to catch up properly, i will don't worry x x

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 07:47 PM

I have seen my nephews angered by racist remarks, hurt by them. If the BNP thinks racism isn't everyone's business to destroy, guess again. I am not going to say "Fuck the BNP"; instead, allow me to tell them something similar in little words: You are cowards; mostly wankers with a few wankerettes; you suck farts from dead seagulls; you are tripe, and you cross-dress. There. Didn't tell them to get fucked once.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 04:02 PM

400

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Aug 09 - 03:59 PM

That's a lovly song, Smokey, I have a vinyl copy of I Want To See The Bright Lights Tonight. I had to buy it on CD to prevent wearing out the recording

I do believe thems in The Great Valerio describe many of us who fight the good fight.

Thanks!

Charlotte OLivia Robertson (Ms)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 31 Aug 09 - 03:52 PM

"It's a difficult tight rope walk sometimes, but I wouldn't have it any other way."

A beautiful and oft misunderstood song about tightropes.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 31 Aug 09 - 03:07 PM

I embrace two worlds, native (Mohawk) and white (Scots and Welsh) It's a difficult tight rope walk sometimes, but I wouldn't have it any other way.

Smokey, some people, like you, want to be educated, and others I reserve this saying for:

"If ignorance truly is bliss you must be positively orgasmic."

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 31 Aug 09 - 02:51 PM

I doubt our guest has the capacity to appreciate your links, Ollie, but I do. Thanks for the education.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 31 Aug 09 - 02:46 PM

Jade and you just keep on saying it, you can't say it too many times!

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)
really uppity "Indian" chick

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: jeddy
Date: 31 Aug 09 - 02:38 PM

i still don't understand the question but i will answer to it none the less, and if it wasn't what you were asking...sorry. i can't even remember, who started this subject, brain malfunction again!!

i believe in being one peoples in different areas of the world. we speak diffwerent tongues, we have different types of skin, different religions. etc. BUT we ALL want the same things.

to live in peace and without fear.
to have a roof over our heads whether it be a tent or a house.
to have our children grow up to know right from wrong.
to have them grow up in the best way possible.
to be happy and carefree as much as possible.
to have friends and family to rely on, if the need arises.


the differences should be noticed and learnt from. but it should make no difference on how we interact with one another.

lisa, shelly and 'sam' will never know the peace of mind we seek for ourselves and others.
they are too hate filled to see the good in the world, the little things that bring us all together. as much as i hate what they are all for, i can't help but pity them, for they are the ones who are truely missing out on a wonderful world.

take care all (it is not something i just say, i mean it, every time)!!!

jade x x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 31 Aug 09 - 02:36 PM

"42000 Canadians"
Lisa or whoever you are, I suggest you watch This and read Prince of the Brigade then tell us ALL about how Peace and other Canadians (including me) have nothing to do with the fighting the evil that is the face of the BNP and those other fascist organisations and their lackies/toadies.hangers-on

Stand and be Counted,

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)
really uppity "Indian" chick

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 31 Aug 09 - 02:21 PM

Lisa, or whoever you may be - 42000 Canadians died fighting fascism in the second world war. They must be turning in their graves to see one of their own being slagged off for standing up (and being counted) to this mindless filth you are helping to propagate.
Peace has earned his place on this planet a thousand times over by virtue of the contribution of his creative skills. You, however, have proved you are not even worthy of the oxygen you consume. Take your nasty little games elsewhere, or, as a great poet once said - fuck off.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 31 Aug 09 - 12:07 PM

"You could start by concerning yourself with the politics of your own country Bruce and allow the British to do likewise !"
- GUEST,Lisa

Lisa the only REAL problem in The UK is the BNP and it's lackies/toadies/hangers-on, BUT racism is worldwide epidemic that needs to be met with a united front, no matter where you live or are from, so your sorry, parochial excuse holds no water, mind you the fact that you only posted as a guest means you have no standing within the Mudcat community, therefore your 'opinions' are quite worthless.

Stand and Be Counted!

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)
REALLY uppity "Indian" chick

PS GUEST hardy AND guest lisa...geez, busy little sod aren't you?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 31 Aug 09 - 06:43 AM

In my view we should celebrate how differences between cultures, life experiences etc enrich us as a society, accepting the right to be different and not trying to impose a single homogenised version of what a society should be, be-it through eugenics-based far right ideology, or the extreme centralisation-based ideologies of the far left, or even the monetarist ideologies where cultures are more and more shaped by corporation like McDonalds and Tescos which, in my opinion does more damage to cultural identities around the world than migration ever will.

it may sound simplistic, but truths generally are, and an inescapable truth is that the foundation of any society should be based on people being nice to each other, and if people held that truth in their hearts, then it would become impossible for the hate-mongers to divide cultures. Without that division the hate-mongers can never thrive.

There are problems in the world: climate, hunger, disease the fact that we live on a planet which can be pretty hostile to humans - but humans are resilient, and great adapters. If humanity put as much energy into co-operation and creativity to overcome the problems as it does into fueling hate and paranoia then so much more can be achieved.

Any way that is my bud' hodne (be nice) speech. After that back to scrutinising hate-mongers and countering their divisiveness.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 31 Aug 09 - 06:27 AM

We know what Lisa has been doing: she's been helping the inner circle of her friends to set up fake fakebook accounts.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 08:41 PM

OH, one more thing. YOU must be the Lisa referred to by some asshole or other about three weeks back. Where the heck have you been? Out beating up people? You off the bottle yet?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 08:38 PM

PS Anyone with the mental accuity of a ten year old--beyond you when you hit the bottle--would be aware of history. The world tried once before to ignore Nazi scum. It didn't work then and it won't work now. Telling me to 'mind my business: piss on you. You and your sleazy friends hardly ran as folks I'd listen to. So save your breath. Ta ta.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 08:33 PM

Dear Guest, lisa--what a surprise you're a guest: Get fucked.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: GUEST,Lisa
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 08:31 PM

You could start by concerning yourself with the politics of your own country Bruce and allow the British to do likewise !

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 08:20 PM

"Sorry, I'm baffled."

What can we do to help?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 08:08 PM

Is it?

Are we still in Kansas?

Sorry, I'm baffled.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 07:21 PM

The question is your reaction to a person.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 05:53 PM

How many letters?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 04:39 PM

Is the issue what you first have regard to?

To which issue are you referring, and to whom?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Gervase
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 04:19 PM

I've PM'd BNPGeorge too, to ask her some questions about the political party she wants to represent. She's not replied, though.
Because of that, I can only assume that she is racist. If she wasn't she wouldn't last very long in the BNP before coming to her senses.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: jeddy
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 04:12 PM

richard,
could you put that into something tht would make sense to someone having a really thick day please?

i read it, twice three times and my brain comes up with... eh??? LOL

thanks

jade x x x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 04:09 PM

there is a difference between recognising(?) the diffrences between us and using them for points of hatred or fear.

Exactly my point. See them, celebrate them, learn from them. They are a good thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 04:04 PM

Is the issue what you first have regard to?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: jeddy
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 04:00 PM

cultural differences i understand celebrating, it is what makes us proud of where we come from and has different values.

sorry i read you wrong smokey, i am in a bad mood, nothing to do with anything here, but i think it affected how i read stuff.

there is a difference between recognising(?) the diffrences between us and using them for points of hatred or fear.

take care all

jade x x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 03:54 PM

I'm referring to physical and cultural differences by the way - political extremism is another kettle of fish altogether..

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 03:38 PM

You're perfectly clear Jeddy, I was more padding out what you said than arguing with it. The differences in people won't go away though, and I think it's better to acknowledge them and regard them as positive rather than negative. To 'stop seeing' them is not the way forward, in my opinion; it implies they are negative.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: jeddy
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 02:37 PM

ok, maybe i didn't express myself very well earlier . to be honest i am not sure i will this time either, but here goes.

what i meant was we should stop seeing the differences between everyone, like skin colour, disabilities, gay or straight blonde brunnette, stuff like that. none of these things matter, it is what is inside a persons heart that counts(and i don't mean having a pace maker).
we all have individual personalities and because of this i have learnt alot about myself.
if we all thought the same way about everything, we would never get to see things in a different light and we would stagnate.

do you know what i mean? maybe if i haven't made it clear by now, i should stop digging?

take care all

jade x x x x x