BS: Ashcroft Not Immune

Subject: BS: Ashcroft Not Immune
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 09:46 AM

Appeals court rules against Ashcroft in 9/11 case
Appeals court says Ashcroft may be liable for witnesses wrongly detained after Sept. 11

By REBECCA BOONE, Associated Press
Last updated: 7:35 a.m., Saturday, September 5, 2009

BOISE, Idaho -- A federal appeals court has ruled that former Attorney General John Ashcroft can be sued by people who claim they were wrongfully detained as material witnesses after 9/11, and called the government practice "repugnant to the Constitution."

OK- So much for the specious BuShite immunity claim. Now lets prosecute the REST of the bastards right down the line.

Subject: RE: BS: Ashcroft Not Immune
From: Riginslinger
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 10:07 AM

What bastards would those be?

Subject: RE: BS: Ashcroft Not Immune
From: Peace
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 02:24 PM

The list would exceed the 'post allowance' according to Mudcat administrators.

Subject: RE: BS: Ashcroft Not Immune
From: Joe_F
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 08:24 PM

To think that that man was gotten rid of for being *too good* an attorney general!

Subject: RE: BS: Ashcroft Not Immune
From: Peace
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 08:27 PM

LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Ashcroft Not Immune
From: heric
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 08:36 PM

But remember the hospital incident and Ashcroft's resignation:

In his testimony Tuesday, Comey recounted Ashcroft's wife calling a Justice Department official that night informing her Card and Gonzales were on their way to see Ashcroft. She had banned all outside phone calls and visitors, Comey said.

He immediately headed to the hospital and soon after he got there, the White House officials entered. He said Ashcroft, who had been weak from gall bladder surgery, "very strongly expressed himself" regarding his objections to a classified program, but added that his views didn't matter because he was, temporarily, not the attorney general.

'An effort to take advantage of a very sick man'
Comey said Card and Gonzales then left the hospital room without acknowledging him.

"I was very upset. I was angry. I thought I had just witnessed an effort to take advantage of a very sick man who did not have the powers of the attorney general because they had been transferred to me. I thought he had conducted himself -- and I said to the attorney general -- in a way that demonstrated a strength that I had never seen before, but still I thought it was improper," Comey told the committee.

Comey told the committee that he and Ashcroft the week before had determined the classified program he declined to name Tuesday should not be authorized and had communicated that to the White House.

Comey said some time after the hospital visit he got a call from Card, who was very upset, asking him to come to the White House. He responded that after what he had seen, he would not meet with White House officials without a witness and said he wanted to bring Solicitor General Ted Olson.

Later that night, Comey said, he did go to the White House, but he said the issue was not resolved then.

Program authorized without Justice Department approval
Comey said the program was reauthorized the next day without a Justice Department signature, and he then prepared a letter of resignation. However, he said he did not hand that letter in because the Justice Department's chief of staff asked him to delay it until Ashcroft could also resign.

The Justice Department later declined to comment on Comey's testimony.

"We cannot comment on internal discussions that may or may not have taken place concerning classified intelligence activities," said Justice Department spokesman Dean Boyd. "As the Attorney General indicated earlier this year, any electronic surveillance that was being conducted pursuant to the [Terrorist Surveillance Program] is now being conducted subject to the approval of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act Court."

Card told CNN he had no comment on the information. A spokesman for Ashcroft also declined to comment.

Ashcroft turned in his resignation in November 2004; Comey announced his resignation in March 2005.

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Subject: RE: BS: Ashcroft Not Immune
From: Peace
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 08:45 PM

I'd feel a bit more sympathy for Ashcroft if his resignation had come much earlier.

"Ashcroft's abuses defied the Constitution

By Yael T. Abouhalkah, Kansas City Star Editorial Page columnist

Defenders of the U.S. Constitution are going after former Attorney General John Ashcroft, and things certainly don't look good for the Bush administration official.

A federal appeals court didn't hold back in criticizing Ashcroft, saying he violated the rights of U.S. citizens after 9/11. It's an embarrassing development for Ashcroft given his former role as the nation's top law enforcement officer.

The court said Ashcroft erred by ordering arrests when the federal government lacked probable cause.

Ashcroft's actions were "repugnant to the Constitution, and a painful reminder of some of the most ignominious chapters of our national history."

Now comes the aftermath, in which Ashcroft will be sued for prosecutorial abuses.

The cases involving Ashcroft, Missouri's ex-governor, will get plenty of media attention. Democrats and liberals have been calling for former Bush administration officials to be held accountable for their actions during the war on terror.

Ashcroft had asked for immunity from liability for his actions; the appeals court denied his request."

Subject: RE: BS: Ashcroft Not Immune
From: Charley Noble
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 09:00 PM

Ashcroft has earned his day in court. He's also a fine singer and I hope that he will "sing" if questioned by the prosecution for his alleged crimes.

This is not a "witch hunt" but a demand for justice for abuse of our Constitution.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Ashcroft Not Immune
From: heric
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 09:18 PM

The appellate court didn't "find" anything about Ashcroft except that there were no facts alleged to even allow the plaintiff to claim that Ashcroft knew that people had lied in obtaining an arrest warrant.

They DID say facts are alleged that Ashcroft should have known people would, under his existing policies, use the statute permitting the arrest of material witnesses for the wrongful purpose of investigating the person they are arresting.

I'm not just reminding there are much much badder-acters that were floating around the White House than Ashcroft - so much so that HE was outraged.

Have at'm.

Gonzalez first.

Subject: RE: BS: Ashcroft Not Immune
From: Peace
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 09:20 PM

The wedge has to start somewhere.

Subject: RE: BS: Ashcroft Not Immune
From: heric
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 09:29 PM

Well save the hottest room in Hell for Gonzalez. Those other characters at least had colorable claims they were working for what's "right" or ends justify the means or whatever. He was just a suck-ass political climber with no hint of scruples.

Subject: RE: BS: Ashcroft Not Immune
From: Charley Noble
Date: 06 Sep 09 - 08:05 PM

heric-

You make a convincing point.

But I'd still like to hear Ashcroft sing. He certainly knows who all the bad actors were.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Ashcroft Not Immune
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Sep 09 - 06:16 AM

Charlie, are you sure you want to hear Ashcroft singing?

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Ashcroft Not Immune
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Sep 09 - 07:40 AM

I'd rather see Dick Cheney prosecuted and leave the rest of "the bastards" alone... Sure, we know that Cheney wasn't the only screw up but, geeze, he would make the most satisfying one to see in jail...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Ashcroft Not Immune
From: Charley Noble
Date: 07 Sep 09 - 11:00 AM

Joe-

I'm not sure I'd spend good money to hear him sing but he is a good singer.

Bobert-

Cheney has earned a very special place in Hell. Although, I'm not even sure Satan is geared up to deal with him.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Ashcroft Not Immune
From: heric
Date: 07 Sep 09 - 11:54 AM

chuckle~

Satan backing away from Cheney . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Ashcroft Not Immune
From: Amos
Date: 07 Sep 09 - 05:38 PM

Hell, Cheney would just recruit him....



A

Subject: RE: BS: Ashcroft Not Immune
From: Peace
Date: 07 Sep 09 - 05:51 PM

Uh, folks, ya got it wrong. He IS Satan.

Subject: RE: BS: Ashcroft Not Immune
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 08 Sep 09 - 09:10 AM

""Cheney has earned a very special place in Hell. Although, I'm not even sure Satan is geared up to deal with him.""

He should simply take the fat little pig out shooting.

He must be a better shot than ole Geedubya.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Ashcroft Not Immune
From: Charley Noble
Date: 08 Sep 09 - 11:27 AM

LOL

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Ashcroft Not Immune
From: wysiwyg
Date: 08 Sep 09 - 07:17 PM

I'm not even sure Satan is geared up to deal with him.

Izzat why he ejected him-- cuz I'm am sure that's who sent him.

~S~