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Subject: BS: Buried treasure found in England From: gnu Date: 24 Sep 09 - 10:46 AM Here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Buried treasure found in England From: maeve Date: 24 Sep 09 - 11:28 AM There's a song or three in there somewhere. More information here maeve |
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Subject: RE: BS: Buried treasure found in England From: Amos Date: 24 Sep 09 - 11:48 AM THis is incredible stuff. Most impressive. I am also impressed by the balance of the Treasure Trove Act which seeks just compensation to the finder, while ensuring the trove remains properly handled under the Crown. Man, those piepces look incredibly beautiful. What a find! A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Buried treasure found in England From: katlaughing Date: 24 Sep 09 - 12:00 PM WOW! Some really beautiful metalwork and enamelling. What a wondrous find! I hope the landowner and the man who found it get some compensation. Really exciting and incredible! Thanks for the links. kat |
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Subject: RE: BS: Buried treasure found in England From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 24 Sep 09 - 12:09 PM Thanks for the link, gnu. Most interesting. I'm particularly impressed by the box-like objects in slide 3. I've never seen ancient metalwork like that before. Pieces I've seen have been flat or bowl-shaped, but never boxy before. These workers had developed a whole new set of skills. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Buried treasure found in England From: Bill D Date: 24 Sep 09 - 12:15 PM Absolutely amazing! The translation from Beowulf is perfect to describe the 'possible' attitude of whoever buried this stuff. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Buried treasure found in England From: Emma B Date: 24 Sep 09 - 12:29 PM The staggering discovery of more than 1,500 items was made by jobless treasure hunter Terry Herbert, using a battered 14-year-old metal detector. Now he and the unidentified land owner are set to earn themselves a massive reward for the priceless trove which experts today said would rewrite centuries of British history. The find, dubbed the Staffordshire Hoard, was being declared treasure trove at a coroner's court hearing in Cannock today. Mr Herbert added today: "My mates at the metal detecting club always say if there is a gold coin in a field I will be the one to find it. I dread to think what they'll say when they hear about this. Mr Herbert and the farmer plan to split their reward. The treasure hunter says he will spend his money on a bungalow. The Coroner for South Staffordshire, Andrew Haigh, was holding the inquest on the find to decide whether it is treasure under the Treasure Act 1996. If it is declared treasure, the find becomes the property of the Crown, and museums will have the opportunity to acquire it after it has been valued by the Treasure Valuation Committee. The committee's remit is to value all treasure finds at their full market value and the finder and landowner will divide the reward between them. Dr Roger Bland, head of the Department of Portable Antiquities and Treasure at the British Museum, described it as the greatest ever find of Anglo-Saxon gold. He said: "The protection of the site is of paramount importance and Terry has behaved wonderfully in helping us to keep that so. "The police are monitoring the site regularly but we are convinced we have uncovered every single item." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Buried treasure found in England From: Emma B Date: 24 Sep 09 - 12:31 PM sorry the report above was from the local Express and Star newspaper |
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Subject: RE: BS: Buried treasure found in England From: Acorn4 Date: 24 Sep 09 - 01:11 PM As a local historian, this is great news. The Dark Ages will have a bit more light shed on them now hopefully. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Buried treasure found in England From: gnu Date: 24 Sep 09 - 01:11 PM Any idea of the reward... by % or ? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Buried treasure found in England From: Paul Burke Date: 24 Sep 09 - 01:13 PM A wonderful discovery, but I hope that by digging for treasure, the finder hasn't destroyed a much greater treasure. The find it is being compared with, Sutton Hoo, was found by careful archaeological excavation of a site, and was in the middle of a boat burial. The boat only showed as darkened sand and rows of rust deposits from nails. Other artifacts- a shield, a bed, a lyre for example- were also wooden and were similarly evanescent, but they told us at least as much about the society from which they came as did the gold. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Buried treasure found in England From: gnu Date: 24 Sep 09 - 01:14 PM Of course, if it was me, I would have stowed away a wee bit of it. Otherwise, one would be putting one's trust in "The Crown"... hahahahaa... yeah, right! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Buried treasure found in England From: Emma B Date: 24 Sep 09 - 01:43 PM The report of this find comes just weeks after the news of 10,000 Roman coins in neighbouring Shropshire being discovered. Although the find is described as 'priceless' according to one report 'Terry Herbert, the amateur treasure hunter who lives alone in his council flat, claiming disability benefits, now stands to claim a share of at least a £1 million finder's reward as local museums raise funds to keep the hoard in the county' It appears Paul as thoght this find may indeed be trophies from various military campaigns rather than a burial as no feminine or any articles other than the valuable parts of weaponary have been found; it is to be hoped that there was no damage to any archeological information or that the discovery will encourage mass amateur excavations elsewhere But, well done Terry :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Buried treasure found in England From: Beer Date: 24 Sep 09 - 01:51 PM Just watched it on CBC News. Beer (adrien) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Buried treasure found in England From: VirginiaTam Date: 24 Sep 09 - 02:43 PM Gotta love that bronze age bling! I think this is a bigger horde than Sutton Hoo, but to my mind not as impressive as unearthing a bloody great Saxon ship, complete with king and his Ceremonial Helmet I love Sutton Hoo. Been about 6 times. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Buried treasure found in England From: Desert Dancer Date: 24 Sep 09 - 03:03 PM The official site for the Staffordshire Hoard (Maeve's link in the second post) is running a bit slow at the moment... :-) There's a nice article from the Guardian, with a video of Terry Herbert's comments on his find. Says they have just officiallly declared it "treasure". It's amazing that what looks like glass enamel is actually inset garnet on several of the pieces. Oodles of pictures are up on Flickr. ~ Becky in Long Beach this week |
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Subject: RE: BS: Buried treasure found in England From: Desert Dancer Date: 24 Sep 09 - 03:31 PM The Daily Mail has a long article with several of the pictures: "Experts have already examined the 1,345 items but another 56 clods of earth have been X-rayed and are known to hold more metal artefacts, meaning the figure is likely to rise to around 1,500. At least 650 are gold, weighing more than than 5kg, and another 530 are silver, weighing around 1kg. This is far bigger than previous finds - including the Sutton Hoo burial site in Suffolk." The original finder dug around for five days and then finally realized it was too much for him, and worried about "night hawkers", the metal detector folks who don't report their finds. They've had archaeologists on the job (in secret) in the intervening months, and now the field is grassed over. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Buried treasure found in England From: Rapparee Date: 24 Sep 09 - 03:44 PM Well, it's mine. I'm the direct descendant of the man (a Viking) who looted it. He was my g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-grandfather, Woten Thor the Blond. He dropped it as he skedaddled from the Angles. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Buried treasure found in England From: VirginiaTam Date: 24 Sep 09 - 03:46 PM Don't ya mean he was running south, away from the Scots. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Buried treasure found in England From: gnu Date: 24 Sep 09 - 03:50 PM I believe they were Irish at that time, VT. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Buried treasure found in England From: Emma B Date: 24 Sep 09 - 04:15 PM Rapaire, I don't think you've quite grasped the Viking nicknames:) Thorfinn Skull-splitter (the origin of the name of the lethally strong Orcadian beer) others include - Throkjell the Braggart Herjolf Hrokkineista (Wrinkled-Scrotum) Fretr - seems to turn up a few times too or even meinfretr = stink-fart, harm-fart - probably all that whale meat :) kinda knocks some mudcat names into a cocked hat :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Buried treasure found in England From: VirginiaTam Date: 24 Sep 09 - 04:22 PM Emma that is beautiful |
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Subject: RE: BS: Buried treasure found in England From: gnu Date: 24 Sep 09 - 04:49 PM EB.... "or even meinfretr = stink-fart, harm-fart - probably all that whale meat :)" What about the rotten shark? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Buried treasure found in England From: Les from Hull Date: 24 Sep 09 - 05:13 PM Rapaire - I think that the chap who buried the loot would probably have either loads of decedents, or none. Anyway it looks like plunder to me so I might have to report you for receiving stolen goods! My latest information is that it belongs to this Nigerian Prince. He'll be in touch with you about it very soon! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Buried treasure found in England From: meself Date: 24 Sep 09 - 06:31 PM Any idea why it is being said that this find "will re-define the Dark Ages", and "will makes us rethink the Dark Ages"? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Buried treasure found in England From: Beer Date: 24 Sep 09 - 07:10 PM Time to try the new metal detector I purchased 2 years ago and haven't had time to get out in the fields. Adrien |
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Subject: RE: BS: Buried treasure found in England From: Desert Dancer Date: 24 Sep 09 - 08:20 PM meself - my impression is that it's in part due to the quantity of wealth, as well as the quality of craftsmanship, although it's already unfashionable to call it the "Dark Ages"... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Buried treasure found in England From: Rapparee Date: 24 Sep 09 - 10:48 PM Well, Granpa Woten Thor (we called him "Granpa Blondie") told us exactly where he buried it and everything. He was running because of the Angles, or maybe he was running in Angles. Anyway, they wanted to harm him somewhat because they thought that he might have possibly not perhaps have been the rightful owner of the stuff maybe. Since he would never lie to Granma Freya (she caught him at it once and that's why he isn't known as "Hrokkineista") we know that the stuff is actually ours. Please send it. Thank you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Buried treasure found in England From: Janie Date: 24 Sep 09 - 11:21 PM The news reports and comments on this thread have sent me off on a wonderful internet search (lite) this evening of the tribes and ethnic groups of the British Isles. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Buried treasure found in England From: Paul Burke Date: 25 Sep 09 - 01:58 AM There Beer, what did I say? Prospect all you like, but only pick up what you see on the surface or within ploughsoil, record EXACTLY where you find it (x yards from hedge along The provisional dating of the hoard suggests it's loot from Saxon-on-Saxon violence, or perhaps what the Welsh got from their alliance with Penda but never fetched back to Wales. Typically weaselly Viking trick, Rapaire, claiming credit for someone else's hard looting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Buried treasure found in England From: Roger the Skiffler Date: 25 Sep 09 - 05:59 AM I wondered where I'd left it, got mislaid when I was packing to leave the Midlands for London...I'll be glad to have it back... RtS Ancient Anglo Saxon |
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Subject: RE: BS: Buried treasure found in England From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies) Date: 25 Sep 09 - 06:24 AM It's fabulous looking stuff alright, and no doubt it'll tell us lots once studied by those who know. But I find "treasure" hard to get excited over as it doesn't offer me a substantial enough context to imagine the people or lives connected to that site. Sutton Hoo on the other hand generates wonderful images and stories. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Buried treasure found in England From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 25 Sep 09 - 06:46 AM Nice slide show here http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8272370.stm |
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Subject: RE: BS: Buried treasure found in England From: Beer Date: 25 Sep 09 - 07:31 AM Great show Keith. Ad. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Buried treasure found in England From: Mr Happy Date: 25 Sep 09 - 08:49 AM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staffordshire_hoard |
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Subject: RE: BS: Buried treasure found in England From: Jim Dixon Date: 25 Sep 09 - 08:53 AM It would make a good band name: The Staffordshire Horde |
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Subject: RE: BS: Buried treasure found in England From: GUEST,Mr Red (a Staffordshireman) Date: 25 Sep 09 - 09:26 AM Better than being Staffordshire Whored - owr kid. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Buried treasure found in England From: Rapparee Date: 25 Sep 09 - 10:03 AM Hey, it's DAMNED HARD work stealing from people who stole it from the original thieves. Granpa really worked to support himself, his family, his concubines -- and then there were all those sacrifices. You think that's easy work you try it sometime. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Buried treasure found in England From: Jack Blandiver Date: 25 Sep 09 - 10:20 AM Isn't this just too amazing? We had the Macclesfield Psalter a few years back too - I've got the complete facsimile upon my bookshelf awaiting attention once I find a decent magnifying glass. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Buried treasure found in England From: bankley Date: 25 Sep 09 - 09:34 PM I remember when a Mongol Horde was unearthed.. there was some ancient cannabis there... some think that Willie Nelson misplaced it awhile back... |
